Kobojunkie: 1. The God of the Bible/Scripture says only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God where Hell is one of the two domains in there - John 3 vs 5 - 8 and Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. So only those who are born-again can achieve Hell.
2. Every human is born complete with ability to think for self and process reality as he/she chooses. If even a child born in a pastor's/imam's house can grow up not believing in God then certainly indoctrination is a choice made by individuals even children and can be unmade.
3. See #2
1: The God of the Quran and other religions says otherwise about who enters heaven. Which one is the correct one?
2: Why bother creating someone by default with just knowledge of ' good/bad', then judge and condemn them to eternal inferno not using the same yardstick you originally built into them but an alien one they found after they start to grow (religion)?
If you do not get the question in 2:
By default a man is created to know good and bad. He then is birthed in an atheist home. He lives his life working with the default (good/bad) by leading a just, honest, and loving life. He dies.
You now come to him telling him he did not accept a son you sent to save him from something he does not even know, so you his dad will burn him forever. Why?
NNTR: Acts 4:12 'And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among people by which we must be saved [for God has provided the world no alternative for salvation]'
Believe in the person now. Or wait for the last time or last chance, on judgment day, when will be offered the name, to use and/or take advantage of.
John 3:16-21 '16“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17For God did not send the Son into the world to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but that the world might be saved through Him. 18Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him]. 19This is the judgment [that is, the cause for indictment, the test by which people are judged, the basis for the sentence]: the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20For every wrongdoer hates the Light, and does not come to the Light [but shrinks from it] for fear that his [sinful, worthless] activities will be exposed and condemned. 21But whoever practices truth [and does what is right--morally, ethically, spiritually] comes to the Light, so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are--accomplished in God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence on Him].”'
I know that Christians teach sizeable portions of fanciful and quasi-inventive things
Do you know that God is Fair and Just? If an earthly judge, is fair, how less fair and just do you think, God will be or could be, hmm? Watch this, everyone will get their time on judgment day, if havent already, to choose who will save him/her, who will represent them, who will put up a defence for them, who will fight their corner for them, who will hold brief for them et cetera
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Why does God bother sending people to where they will need saving from in judgement day. Why risk having some of them possibly reject "SAN Uno" and having them burnt forever?
This is in view of unborn children are 'jejely' somewhere 'sinless', but then are sent to a Sinful world, country, parent etc knowing fully well not all are going to 'make it's as the system will have it?
What's the idea of it all. 2 out of 10 of your kids are going to 'make it while the remaining 8 by your own law, you're burning them externally?
NNTR: Your original question is flawed. Recall, when I typed that whatever faith or faithlessness, anyone is born into, doesnt diminish the effectiveness of our inbuilt moral compass, so meaning, it doesnt matter whether through the lottery of life you found yourself born into a Freethinker, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Believer, ATR practitioner, New Age et cetera setting as new born babies.
Whether you're a Freethinker, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Believer, ATR practitioner, New Age et cetera, just as Romans 2:14 reveals, your conscience, is the voice of God, inside your soul, inside you, in you. Even if you still dont hear of Jesus, you'll get a chance on judgment day to hear of Him
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Okay I see where you're from. Jesus.
Note however that Christians teach that accepting Jesus is to be done on earth not on the judgement throne after death, which would invalidates any acceptance of him thereafter.
NNTR: How do you mean what's your source for this nameless person?
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
'SAN Uno'. How or where did you guys meet or how you got information on him. You complemented most of your idea with Biblical texts. 'SAN Uno' however does not seem to be in the Bible.
What's your source of information please? I can understand if this is gnosively obtained.
MaxInDHouse: The children of the wicked angels have all died in the global deluge, you and i are normal humans as in descendants of Noah!
God is interested in our matter that's why He sent Jesus so that obedient mankind can come out of this arrogant generation and have everlasting life. Presently Jesus has gathered millions of people throughout the earth, they come from different nations and have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} you and i know them as Jehovah's Witnesses!
I believe you just squarely confronted my original question. Who sends this 'normal humans" into Christian homes as new born babies? Why not stop sending them to be born in countries where they will never ever hear of Jesus.
Even if they do hear of Jesus, they must have likely have heared of his 'competitors' like Mohammed, Krishna, Macaroni Monster etc and could not have guessed Jesus is the correct one to pick?
NNTR: Well, man, from time immemorial, consistently, without disappointing, to date have been in the business, of sticking two fingers in the air at God and surely right on judgment day, when the opportunity presents itself, will communicate same.
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
NNTR: Hebrews 9:27 'And just as people are appointed to die once, and then to face judgment,'
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we [believers will be called to account and] must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be repaid for what has been done in the body, whether good or bad [that is, each will be held responsible for his actions, purposes, goals, motives —the use or misuse of his time, opportunities and abilities].
In the world, not many have prior information on the proceedings of courts, yet the seating judge, sees to it, that an offer of a duty solicitor is given to who is in the dock. Likewise, everyone on judgment day, will be offered the chance to avail of the free legal aid service of the 'SAN uno'
Guess what chieveboy, in spite of the 'SAN uno' not known to ever, lose a case, some would rather be damned than having anything to do with the 'SAN uno'
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
LoL at
some would rather be damned than having anything to do with the SAN uno
Maybe it's because this 'SAN uno' was never mentioned to them on earth.
Dtruthspeaker: That is the power of knowing good and evil and all men have that power exactly as we do not see any one still travelling by foot from Onitsha to Lagos. They know that cars are better.
Good. This in essence means religion may after all not be the yardstick whether or not there is a judgement at the last day.
exCHRISTIAN: You haven't asked why he let his people die without protecting them.
Why didn't the imaginery christ protect Deborah
Is he absent? Or doesn't exist? Or cant fulfill His promise to protect his followers? Or is the bbbile lyi*g as it used to do? Thessalonians 3:3
I left Xtianity because I realized it's rubbish. What do yo expect from a god that was born by a WOMAN and ended, murdered on Cross? Didn't help himself also
The entitled punishment for blasphemy in Xtianity as I was forced study by my parents back then is death !!!
anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death. Leviticus 24:16
Deborah killers used this verse to kill her the way the verse instruct, I think they own a copy of christ papers, bible is full of evil to its followers.
I left religion for you!!! Ath3ism all the way
Before any rotten brain qoute me, see my signature.....
Valid questions which people consider as "blasphemy" to ask.
There was a time you did not know how to read but you saw the goodness of reading and learnt it and changed. Same for languages, skill etc
Everyone can change no matter their background and religion is about how you choose live your life.
By this, you are implying someone in the wrong religion will find out about the good one and switch.
What's the chance of that? How do you prove the religion you switch to is the "approved" one. Note that other opposing religions have their 'Books' and "messages from God" on how the other one is the wrong one. This is if you are going to quote any book as response.
NNTR: When you throw stuff into your kitchen trash can, is all that done, out of punishment, or its just, a judgment call or decision thing going on there?
If in the world, any person who is charged with an offence for which they can receive a prison sentence for, is entitled to a duty solicitor free of charge (i.e. get legal aid for legal representation in court), then it is fair that on judgment day, a 'SAN uno' is offered for legal advice, mediation and representation, but you'll be surprised that, many would rather go to hell on the day, than accept the free services of the 'SAN uno'
Empathy or compassion transcends the limits, confines, restrictions et cetera of faith or faithlessness affiliation.
The services of the 'SAN uno' free to all who wish to use it or decide to take on the offer
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
You realize not many have information on the proceedings on 'judgment day' (immediately after death) not to talk of a 'SAN uno' right?
NNTR: What is advanced in giving empathy or even compassion. Is it difficult to give empathy? Is it hard or advance to be compassionate?
Would you discriminate against anyone compassionately reaching out to save your life while stuck in a mangled up car after an automobile accident. God forbid this happen to you. Would you be asking, hey are you a Muslim or Ifa adherent? Would you say, if you are, please stay back, I dont want or need you saving my limbs and life.
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Ah, I said "advanced" based on what the religions teach. For instance the government had the COVID relief fund distributed to Nigerians. What some people did based on their religious teaching is to focus this relief based on religion. Nothing about being fair at all. Same goes for giving jobs, contracts and such.
Someone who comes saying you be empathic yo every soul is indeed advanced. We are this low to call empathy advanced I'm sorry.
MaxInDHouse: NO! Their own children were fast growing big until they became childish Giants and bullies. But most people back then perished along with those giants because they failed to notice that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with Noah and his family!
Okay. Who or what then is responsible for who is given birth to in Islam or Christianity the two religions who are proponents of eternal fire if you do not belong in them?
MaxInDHouse: God doesn't determine where people are born nor does He predestine anyone. Rebellious angels left heaven during the first 1,000 years of human lives on this planet and start having sexual relations with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} the consequences of these illicit affairs led to the birth of wicked giants on the planet {Genesis 6:4} God destroyed that world but preserved eight souls who are humbly obedient. But the angels didn't die in the flood, they returned to heaven as spirit beings, God didn't allow them in the midst of His loyal angelic sons {2Peter 2:4} that's why they became fugitives moving to and fro earth and heaven. They tried to live as gods with humans but then the true God caused mankind's language to become many so they they have to scatter throughout the earth! Genesis 11:1-9 Each language travelled with the spirit (angel) they're used to as their god, so whenever they settle the rebellious angels settles there with them and they became like gods and their worshipers.
That's why the true God called a man known as Abraham in other to pass all these information to all mankind through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Genesis 12:1-3 That's why the true God always refer to Himself as the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob (Israel) Exodus 3:6
So if you're born in any tribe on this planet all you need to do is pick interest in knowing the true God and you'll have no issues because the true God started sending messages throughout the earth immediately after He went down to Egypt with a man called Moses {Exodus 6:1-3} that event was heard both far and near so that honest hearted individuals began to realize that there is a God who is the Almighty! Joshua 2:8-11
You will surely know the truth and the truth will set you free {John 8:32} from the lies of those demons who have captured and misleading all the tribes of the earth {Revelations 12:9} until the coming of Jesus of Nazareth who was sent by the true God to liberate obedient mankind from Satan's snare! John 3:16
May you have PEACE!
I know a bit about the descent of "rebellious angels". Are you saying the wicked angels are responsible for Souls bring born on earth then?
NNTR: There's only one true and pure religion, that transcends all faith or faithlessness, and the one word for it, is empathy, if you want an alternative word, then take sympathy.
Regardless of whether you're a Freethinker, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Christian, Believer, or ATR practitioner et cetera, it is the only one true and pure religion that God approves and finds no flaw or fault with. Why? It is because empathy doesnt discriminate
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
This sounds advanced. This though is not what the two major religions think.
NNTR: Correction, some people will be destroyed in a lake of fire that burns forever
If anyone upon appearing on judgment day, refuses to take advantage of the free legal aid offer, with Senior Advocate Number Uno (i.e. SAN) representing them, then such only has to blame themselves for wherever they end up at.
Romans 2:13-16 '13For it is not those who merely hear the Law [as it is read aloud] who are just or righteous before God, but it is those who [actually] obey the Law who will be justified [pronounced free of the guilt of sin and declared acceptable to Him]. 14When Gentiles, who do not have the Law [since it was given only to Jews], do instinctively the things the Law requires [guided only by their conscience], they are a law to themselves, though they do not have the Law. 15They show that the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts; and their conscience [their sense of right and wrong, their moral choices] bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or perhaps defending them 16on that day when, as my gospel proclaims, God will judge the secrets [all the hidden thoughts and concealed sins] of men through Christ Jesus.'
Whatever faith or faithlessness, anyone is born into, doesnt diminish the effectiveness of our inbuilt moral compass, so meaning, it doesnt matter whether through the lottery of life you found yourself born into a Freethinker, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Believer, or ATR practitioner et cetera setting.
So, whether you're a Freethinker, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Believer, ATR practitioner et cetera, just as Romans 2:14 above reveals, your conscience, is the voice of God, inside your soul, inside you, in you.
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
This is actually a good one with reference to your third insight. This however defeats or opposes your first paragraph as in only those who the "SAN uno" represents will be spared. Or could the SAN uno be a free agent without religious affiliation?
God is supposedly going to burn some people in hell for ever and ever for not belonging in his official religion or accepting his son and messenger.
Why then does he allow people to be born in places they may never accept his supposed official religion considering the ones who are so convinced they are in the right one are merely into it because they were born there, speaking of 99% of everyone.
They got indoctrinated from childhood so much that any other religion seems like blasphemy and tufiakwa to them.
peterincredible: I have been meditating for 50mins almost every morning now for the past 5 months now
And have been doing the huuuu chanting meditation for about four days now(15 mins once a day) and I notice if I do it and I focus on my third eye I do feel some kind of pressure on my forehead after a while is this normal?
And also I notice the effect is much stronger when I chant the huuu in my mind
Congrats on that. I am congratulating you because not many people find even a little reaction when singing HU though it happens without there knowledge. If you focus on your spiritual eye and sing HU with love in your heart, you may Soul Travel, See the light of God which will burn negativities in your aura and elsewhere. It will purify you in other words. Just do it to enjoy it and for the fun of it.
My initial goal for trying to sing the HU was to visit planet Venus and Mars
Yeah I am going through that thread now for the past one week now and I saw the questions u asked the op of that thread then 2010-2011-2012 meen what a humble beginning
I would like to ask what is ure experience since then following the Eck path
How often do you soul travel now and can you do it at will am really interested in your reply
I am having serious interest in it
It ranged from wonderful to those which I do not really recall or understand. Initially, I was really zealous about it by singing HU frequently and doing a lot of ECK activities. I would see things about to happen, experience miracles in life, and also do Soul Travel into schools in the inner worlds to learn more about the divine.
I would not say I can do it at will. This is probably because I switched my interest to other aspects of spirituality like opening the heart and also because I reduced my HU-singing activities. I have upped the tempo and commitment to do it diligently now though, and the experiences are coming back gradually and are quite amazing.
On my experience in the path of ECK, this had been quite cool. I learnt that success is majorly coming from one's efforts. Initially I think the ECK masters will try to impress me by taking me on rides in the other worlds and planets, they use to do that for some but don't for people like me. Thanks to my Past Lives of enjoying these side attractions.
The Masters want me to work for it. The ECK program for new comers 'The Easy Way' works this way. You get treated like a child and granted access to places old ECKists work harder to go. This probably is to motivate you on the possibilities available when you achieve Soul Realization and God Realization and you can go anywhere you like and do anything you like.
By and large, there are people in Eckankar who you may find to be bad example of spiritual (loving) persons. They exist in any human gathering. These type are simply little babies in the walk of life and nothing to worry about since the walk is not because of anyone but yourself. They are also merely mirroring back our weaknesses. Only the Living Eck Master and the Eck Masters should be your role model in life. Most Eckists though are usually nice and loving.
peterincredible: I have been meditating for 50mins almost every morning now for the past 5 months now
And have been doing the huuuu chanting meditation for about four days now(15 mins once a day) and I notice if I do it and I focus on my third eye I do feel some kind of pressure on my forehead after a while is this normal?
And also I notice the effect is much stronger when I chant the huuu in my mind
Hello bro.
Sorry about the late response. You could have quoted mentioned me so I would know. I am just seeing your post today.
I see you are having a nice time with the HU. Soul travel begins by recalling dreams. Dream is a Soul Travel experience in which we are not fully conscious when it's happening. When we know we are in a dream and 'wake up' in the dream while we sleep, then it's Soul Travel. You can now interact with people in distant planets, dimensions, cities, the future etc.
The main goal of Soul Travel is to assure you of life beyond death and take you to the true home of Souls.
Neyofwesh: Hello Mr Ben, good day. please am talking here about the spiritual experiment. I did it by singing HU yesterday but each time i start singing it the space between my eyebrow seem to heat up as if is about getting spark of fire. This vibration is too much i can't even sing it for 15minutes as am told to. This happen only when i focus my attention on singing HU. Please how can i reduce the vibration..... But the little 2minute i sang HU i have been able to recall all the dream i dreamt last night.
Xixtie: I am unsure of my faith actually. That's why I have got to follow this thread. Nothing is clear anymore. I hope some knowledgeable persons proffer good and reasonable answers to your questions. I would be helped by that too. Good luck.
Try Eckankar the path of Spiritual Freedom . Its model is of you walking your own distinct path to God or finding meaning to life. No need to belong to a group, no need to change religions or any ascetic practices. All required is a Loving heart and a quest for freedom, God, love or yearnings of the heart.
You will have the tools needed to explore your inner universe and having your most biggest questions and true desires answered or granted respectively, and you would find life holds a lot of promise beyond the confusion, pain, joy and uncertainty found in the human existence. This does not mean end of problems, you will find having a better perspective of situations actually takes care of it or begins the process.
Visit Eckankar.org and see if your heart connects. The heart is the true gauge that can never lead you astray.
lilyheaven: Are the igbos in portharcourt not enjoying the peace in portharcourt ? If they think Wike is bad, let them go back to igbo land and continue sitting at home. igbos has turned into social media noise makers. always crying like weaklings . No tangible thing to show for existence .
I might be wrong on this, but Wike parted ways with IPOB on grounds of apparent destruction and killings by its members and he is not mincing his words and actions because of politics.
Imagine he allowed IPOB to take over Portharcourt, wouldn't it be another South-east where IPOB would mandate a useless "seat at home", birth an offspring and call it "unknown gun men" (UGM) who go about wantonly killing people around? all in the name of wounding the federal government? Would you allow such entities?
Let's say IPOB is not Unknown Gun Men, was it not the violent activities of IPOB that gave the so-called "DSS" masquerading as UGM a window to "blackmail IPOB" as they like us to believe?
Of all governors, it's Wike IPOB was expecting to back it's violent approach to it's clamour? Can't IPOB see that Wike took the fight to Buhari himself?
What, were you expecting he open the gates of Rivers to violence? Didn't you see what he did to even army, police and illegal oil bunkerers disturbing the state?
chieveboy: It may be a shock when you discover who characters like "Baal", "Lord God", "My Lord" "Angel" "Zeus" "Angel Michael" "Allah" etc are or is as the case may be.
Note that idols are actually depiction of real entities and not "man-made gods" and neither are they imaginary. The Christian bible offers very good clues to this reality. These beings have favorite tribes, regret their actions and rejoice and mourn.
For instance you were told stories like that of "the sons of God" descending and marring the daughters of men, how a star lead the three wise men to where Jesus was (kindly check sizes of stars online and what could happen...).
You also heard of the angels destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, "Chariots of fire", and especially "flying horses" in the Book of Revelations.
It's not like this information is new. It simply crushes a lot of belief, hence too shaking for us to even go into and beyond the initial stage of shock (denial).
JoeEeL: Only very few people love the Nigerian Army. That says it all.
I tell you bros. They are not aware that the fear tactic which informs their behavior with civilians has limits.
As it stands, there is no love and respect for the army and police. The last remaining placeholder is fear which civilians have for them and this is fast falling apart.
People are beginning to take care of themselves and might not be funny if this continues. The army should look towards fixing their public image and relationship with the civilians.
While this is bad, the Nigerian Army can rethink the usual gestapo approach they take when dealing with civilians. This is part their fault if you consider the antecedents of how an average Nigerian soldier behaves especially when matched with soft targets who are usually civilians.
Civilians clap and have so much respect for their army in other countries.
How do you explain beheading someone and even calling their families to mock them
Look what I saw on YouTube. Anybody that says aliens are not real probably doesn't know much about the size of the universe, and how many planets there is.
Yes. Some of the aliens are being honored in tournament launches, music, symbolisms, carnivals and religious ceremonies because they actually control most systems on earth.
melodyogonna: Wow. This is interesting. I have some interests in extraterrestrials and stuff, is it possible I can get links from you? I would love to learn more.
If you buy ebooks, here is one you can start with: "Contact with the Gods from Space" by George King. It's $9 or there about. Or you could preview parts of it for free on Google Books
chieveboy: It's may be a shock when you discover who characters like "Baal", "Lord God", "My Lord" "Angel" "Zeus" "Angel Michael" "Allah" etc are or is as the case may be.
Note that idols are actually depiction of real entities and not "man-made gods" and neither are they imaginary. The Christian bible offers very good clues to this reality. These beings have favorite tribes, regret their actions and rejoice and mourn.
For instance you were told stories like that of "the sons of God" descending and marring the daughters of men, how a star lead the three wise men to where Jesus was (kindly check sizes of stars online and what could happen...).
You also heard of the angels destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, "Chariots of fire", and especially "flying horses" in the Book of Revelations.
It's not like this information is new. It simply crushes a lot of belief, hence too shaking for us to even go into and beyond the initial stage of shock (denial).
It's from the events that transpired between these entities that we got the story of the devil challenging God to the throne and being thrown down from heaven. While this is true, it's actually misleading like how "chariot of fire" will have you looking beyond spacecrafts into imagining am actual chariot with fire on it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Allow People To Be Born In Other Religions? by chieveboy(op): 1:29pm On May 15, 2022
