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TheManPregnant:
Thank you

You're welcome

TheManPregnant:
You did not post the link for the service today. Why?

Sorry for the delay. Here is the link

https://www.nairaland.com/7292140/eckankar-live-service-sunday-21st

Lovers of God are invited.

*INVITATION TO ECK LIGHT AND SOUND SERVICE*

Dear Blessed One,

ECKANKAR Nigeria, Abuja Centre cordially invites you to an *In-Person* and *Online HU Song* and *ECK Light and Sound Service* scheduled as follows:

Date : *Sunday, August 21, 2022*

Venue (In-Person): *11 Femi Kila Street, off Obafemi Awolowo Way by Lento Aluminium, Life Camp, Abuja*

Time:
i. *HU Song: 8.00am to 8.30am*
ii. *ECK Light and Sound Service: 9am to 10.15am*

Theme of ECK Light and Sound Service: *Building Spiritual Stamina*

Officiator: *Osi Imomoh*

You may attend any or both events Online via zoom by clicking on the link below. The Online Platform opens at 7.45am:

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MaxInDHouse:
The only thing ruined here is the life of those who chose not to be part of the success story!

Then why is he going to burn anyone in fire if he lost nothing?

MaxInDHouse:
God's plan was never and can never be ruined!

Okay good to know

God's plans will surely be perfected! Isaiah 55:8-11

A'a what happened again? sounds like something was ruined and needs to be repaired and perfected.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is not true!
And as for TRUTH you can create your own idea whether invention or not but one thing is certain the one and only TRUTH yields a positive result throughout the world that can't be denied! John 8:32

What then ruined the plan since it wasn't Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit.

MaxInDHouse:
NO! What the Bible call truth has nothing to do with invention of anything.
The TRUTH is about:
©Where do we come from?
©What are we doing here?
©Why do people suffer?
©Why do we get sick, grow old and die?
©Where are our dead loved ones?
©Can we live happily in this world?

Questions of this kind is what the Bible treated as TRUTH inventions having nothing to do with this facts!

all these questions is biblically answered by one answer: some fellows partook on an offering from a devil which ruined the good plan of a certain God. Case closed as far as the Bible is concerned. This present a more problem than it would solve. Another issue is, the very root of these assertions àre full of loopholes, that's why you fully did not answer my earlier question.

Truth is concerned with the totality of all things because all things are important down to national anthems. Truth tells you all things have their origin from God regardless of what it may be and is given life and sustenance by divine spirit.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=115828910]The work PERFECTION has a meaning and we need to understand Sir!
God created Adam to work, play, sleep, reproduce and many other things, the word PERFECTION should be questioned when Adam couldn't meet up with all these.
But when talking about FREEWILL a perfect creature has a choice either to do with his maker want or do what he himself wants.

Perfection even in hand terms produces something serious, one should expect more from whatever this perfection means from a God. Failing from day one says that thing ain't perfect.

[quote]The highlighted is NOT biblical!

lol, you sound like we should consult the bible for all truths. I wonder why we don't study it to invent the aircrafts or learn medicine, etc which are parts and parcel of truth.

The Bible my friend at the base level is a compilation o parts of the Holy Book of the Jews (Torah) and a collection of a few letters by a few people. Who ever said it is so and so letter should be included in the New Testament did not tell us why the others were exempted or who asked them to add or exempt the other parts.

So take it serious, but always with a grain of salt. There are information though how it got compiled and who ordered the compilation.

I'm ready my friend, what exactly is the reality you know?

It's right there in the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why we need to ascertain the meaning that's correct!
Can you prove that your interpretation is correct? Well i have a living proof that my interpretation is correct!


No the devil has his own blame but Adam has the greatest blame because he was a perfect human that Satan can't do anything to affect him other than mere words to mislead him so if he said NO Satan will be destroyed at the moment because he has failed woefully in the mission but since Adam took side with Satan God allowed for time to prove that humans can't RULE themselves independently.
So the three of them shared the blame but it's Adam's participation that affects mankind! Romans 5:12

Freewill is given to all intelligent beings so each of us can do exactly what Satan did by creating our own personality.

All powerful is correct but all knowing is untrue so you need to know the God of the Bible instead of attributing what misinformed religionists attached to Him.
All intelligent beings have FREEWILL God chose not to override it because that will contradict His original purpose for creating mankind which is "let us create man in our image" {Genesis 1:26} creatures made in God's image must have freewill unlike animals that live on instinct!

I have not seen a desperate effort for long time...



Creating a "perfect man" that ended up failing woefully at the very onset sounds like we mere men need to coach those engineers/God of yours what perfection actually is. At least we humans put our products to several and rigorous tests before deployment.

I know their is an all-knowing, all-seeing and all-present creator. The ones that made man in their image whose kids fell for our chic's however are not- at least to the degree that we humans have same qualities of the supreme creator above but have not fully grown to that level. You need to investigate more my friend.

The sad thing is: the moment you come face to face with the reality of who they are, you are apt to dismiss it as "from the bottom of hell" or however you guys put it.

Templee333:
When Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven,did he mean the same thing as "atma lok" in ur chart?
Is God's realization the same thing as the budhists enlightenment (Nirvana)?

He preached same thing the the Budhists call Nirvana. This is attained in the mental plane where one becomes one with the Kal ruler of the worlds below the Soul Plane.

Bliss is experienced here beyond words. This plane is where the religions have their heaven. It is what is described in the holy books. This however is a toddler's play ground compared to Soul Realization, not to mention God realization.

The statement above is only for comparisons sake, this is not to mean God realization is not withing reach of anyone who truly loves God.

Templee333:
Anyway,there's something else I'd love to knw.Who was the living eck master during the time of Jesus the Nazarene (if u believe he existed)? Did Jesus & his disciples knw abt or have contact with any of the eck masters?
@chieveboy

His name was Zadok. Not the one mentioned in the Bible though.

Jesus indeed existed with a legit mission to save the Jews. Jesus did had a brief contact with the group whom Zadok teaches. Jesus though was inclined to flow a different path- that is, a different mystic path/group. Jesus prominently went with the Essenes.

MaxInDHouse:
The symbolic meanings:
Trees ~ desires
Garden ~ heart
Knowledge of good and bad ~ set standards
Day ~ a thousand years

I have an idea, let's add our own definition of the symbolisms:

The symbolic meanings:
Trees ~ Our hairs
Garden ~ Our sex organs
Knowledge of good and bad ~ Knowing how to separate stones from rice using the tongue
Day ~ 8Am to 9PM

It's a free-for-all isn't it and everyone can invent their meaning.


The crux of the matter remains:

1: If the devil is to blame for all evil today faced by man, and said to have started from when Eve partook of an offer from the devil, who deceived the devil to become the "devil"?

2:Can the devil partake in what does not already exists? As in partaking in an emotion, idea or thought which does not exist?

3: I think the idea that an all-powerful and all-knowing creator being as little as challengeable by his creation who have free-will is time bomb.

So all intelligent beings have freewill to do whatever they want except setting standards for other intelligent beings

So now, angels have free will right?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you hear or read in the Bible that Satan was deceived?

How manage he became what he was? By appointment? Error? Self-enthronement?

Templee333:
I'm not friendly with the concept of Jehovah and Elohim,it has many loopholes. That aside, I'm just trying very hard to comprehend ur explanation of sugmad.

My brother, take a look at the God worlds of ECK below. Some of the things you see in other dimensions of the physical plane alone, you will be unable to explain and we even have not moves to the First Heaven (the Astral plane) which can be so majestic, dazzling and beautiful that it is impossible yo explain with the best human language, it is the SUGMAD we want to use our minds minds to explain?

Remember the mind ceases to function beyond the mental plane because it cannot handle anything above that plane.

Templee333:
Does a person who "realize God"(in eckankar) become the same with/as Sugmad?

Never. You become Godlike, but not God

I believe by now you know when we mention "God", we are not talking about the Jehovas and Elohims. Supreme Deity.

Dtruthspeaker:
Why Na? Does "origin" not refer to the first?

If Satan is the first, then there is no "who deceived him".

OGA sir, where did he manage to get the 'deceive' from? How e take reach am?

Templee333:
What,then, is sugmad? Is he/she/it an Almighty being & the creator of all things? Or is he/she/it the same as mahanta?
Is sugmad an intelligent being?
I once heard an eckist say that God is unexplainable & nameless,was he right? what,then,do eckists mean when they say that"HU" is the name of God?

SUGMAD is the term for the Supreme Deity. You can't name IT, you can't describe IT neither can you know or experience IT all.

The Idea of spelling it in capital letters and using "IT" is to observe the qualities above. Describe or give it a quality, name or identity and you have created a god of it which is wrong and right at the same time.

It is neither female nor male. It is the supreme ruler of all and who has no entity or entities trying to overthrow IT or annoy IT as in the case of God Vs Satan in the religions.

Talking about the Supreme Deity, no one is ever wrong or right as to what IT is.

Templee333:
In that case,does the living eck master know the name of each member of eckankar? Is he aware everytime a person sees him in dream? Do all conscious being (including animals,plants,rocks,water,air) know & recognize him as the living eck master? Does he know the thoughts of every human's heart?

The Living Eck Master does not. He however as the Mahanta the Inner Master (since the Mahanta consciousness is the totality of all consciousness) knows everything, can do anything and so on. The Mahanta is beyond any organization even Eckankar hence. It is the Mahanta for all things and all Soul. IT knows the thoughts and hearts of all things and all things subliminally recognize IT.

The Mahanta regardless of what transpires sets up any meeting you might have had with it. IT is the Dream Master.

Templee333:
Just to be sure if I got ur explanation,did u mean that everything (including dead leaves lying on the ground,water,broken bottles) is a state of consciousness. Did u also mean that the things i listed above are aware (conscious) of their existence & knw where they are? Does that imply that both living & non living things are all souls manifesting in different forms? If that's not what u meant by consciouness,pls, make it a bit clearer & easy to understand.

Nothing exists outside consciousness and there is no 'outside'. Dead leaves are palpitating with life. They are conscious. Consciousness is merely 'pretending' to be a dead leaf. Use an ordinary microscope and it's no longer dead to your eyes which was playing tricks on you.

Sands, Stones, Waters etc are alive and conscious. Two people who come together in Matrimony do form a consciousness, likewise Churches, Schools, friends and this consciousness can take a life of its own which is fanned and given life and nourishment by the faith and beliefs of the couple, church, tribe or country etc. Nigeria apart from being a country is also a living entity by virtue of laws of physics hinted at above.

All living things are Souls down to Bacteria. Plants and minerals too are. A leaf of a plant isn't Soul more as my finger isn't. Soul though can inhabit a dead leaf and become it. In creation, only Soul can occupy same space with any thing. How IT does it is by BEing. Other superpowers of Soul are Seeing and knowing. Only Soul has this quality.

Sould exists in these forms on the physical plane: Human, Animal, Plant and Mineral in a hierarchical order of evolution with Humans being on top. If you move further up, you find the devas, gnomes, angels etc.

Templee333:
@chieveboy
Pls help to clarify these;
Who/what exactly is the mahanta? Does mahanta refer to a person (Sri Harold Klemp)? Does mahanta mean the Holy Spirit? If yes,then is the person of Klemp a holy spirit? Are all eck masters mahanta(s)? What do eckists mean when they say "mahanta consciousness"? Is mahanta a state of consciousness? Can any other person (apart frm Klemp) take the title of mahanta?

I will try answering it while you too will try to put this question through to the Master or whatever you believe in to answer. You can get answers regardless...


I will come in from what a state of consciousness may be. Everything is consciousness. The Sun, water, toys, food, trees, presidential position, secretaryship, words, language, letters of an alphabet, a deity, a ruler of planet, sadness, happiness, soup, Atom, Molecule, etc.

In other words, everything material and immaterial that I listed above and did not is actually a display or depiction of a certain state of consciousness at a certain level of manifestation and beyond.

The Supreme Deity in order to maintain the universes IT created uses it's 'essence' (think of this essence as ITs body) which we call ECK AKA Holy Spirit in the religions to give life and form, maintain and sustain all things.

This essence can debase, degrade, change, or morph to form certain gasses, molecules and atoms which in turn forms the galaxies, stars, Souls, ideals and ideas, A ruler of a planet or God as some Calle them, just name it. This Essence of God is consciousness and whatever is formed from that consciousness is a 'state of consciousness'.

Now, the Supreme Deity as I hinted earlier is everything consequently but not everything as it where if you go by the explanation above. You will also see that the 'Gods' which were placed on strategic points in the universes are the Supreme Deity but not it. They are functionaries placed to carry given tasks and duties.

The Supreme Deity is the Mahanta. The Mahanta or whatever name people have known IT in other religions or the past is at the top of the order of command for the Supreme Deity. Remember this too is a state of consciousness just as being a doctor is. This means all can attain this. It is actually the spiritual goal of everyone living thing you see and cannot see.

The main function of this consciousness is to be the direct functionary of the Supreme Deity above the sub deities existing on every plane of existence. The Mahanta hence is not a physical person. A Soul may wear that consciousness just as a doctor or an ant wears the respective consciousness of a doctor and an ant and the Soul is referred to a doctor or an ant. When a Soul wears the mantle of an ant to become an ant, it looks and functions as one even though it is Soul and not really an ant.

This is how the Living Eck Master Harold Klemp wears the Mahanta consciousness. He relies on the consciousness like how everyone else. This consciousness owing to it's duty and role works with the Living Eck Master of the time. You see it some times in your dream as the Living Eck Master, if you're a Muslim, it morphs into an Islamic Prophet or teacher you are comfortable with to take you a step further spiritually.

I think this is how this can be explained for now. Feel free to ask of you see something. Thanks.

Nigeriafirstlad:
This statement is full of bigotry, a Governor shouldn't not be against any tribe or region. Such myopic display of ignorance shouldn't be display by an office holder.

Now, I see with all the killings and maiming in Kaduna State he has never bother to set up a state security apparatus to caution or mitigate the Fulani bandits on the loose.
No vigilante, no forest guard and not even civilian informants but just waiting for the Federal government to deploy all the military in the country to his state.

What a pathetic Governor.

I can see this didn't go down well with you. This is actually same flavour of soup you served people online.

Templee333:
Well, it might be but i stoped taking the bible serious eversince i saw how unfit it is in our era.

It's not entirely unfit, it is unfit if you've outgrown it. There are those coming up who will be served by it. Everything have it's place as I mentioned earlier.

Just endeavor to move higher in consciousness wherever you wish to peg your tent.

Templee333:
did u mean the book of revelation exactly as it is in the christian Bible?

Yes, but the people who combined John's work with the remaining works that made up the Bible removed some of the content because it sounded too unbelievable and crazy to them.

Templee333:
This's what i mean by interpretation-
In ur own dream,u initially thought it was Jesus,but u later knew it was Gopal Das. Now supposing u're a Muslim, won't u say it's Mohamad? or if u believe in ATR,won't u say it's ur ancestral deity?
Anyway, what u said abt dreams above is interesting. But i just don't take dreams seriously anymore. It seems to be so misleading & confusing.
@chieveboy
If any God (or any spirit) wants to communicate with me,why won't he/she/it do so directly & in a more obvious way to avoid confusion?

If you meet Rebazar Tarz or any of the other Eck Masters, you are not going to say they are Jesus or Mohammed because they do not look anything like Jesus.

Gopal Das particularly looks like Jesus, that's why people who meet him before knowing who he was assume it's Jesus due to the white man's depiction of Jesus in circulation today.

Also note that millions have met the Eck Masters physically, in dreams or near-death experiences but do not know they are actually Eck Masters or whatever Eckists refer them to.

For instance, Fubbi Quantz dictated to John the book of revelations which is today a part of the Christian Bible. He took him on a Soul Travel journey to the future. John referred to him as "one like the son of man".

Templee333:
the biggest challenge with drms is their interpretations. It can be interpreted in many ways,so many ways.

Dream is not just a "dream", it is actually a Soul Travel (ST) experience whose memory is not clear or shrouded in symbols. You interprete the ones shrouded in symbols while you take 'as is' the ones that are not symbolic dreams. The difference between dream and Soul Travel is the level of awareness. In ST, you are aware beyond how aware you are while using your best human wakefulness.

Not every dream is meant to be interpreted. For instance, a past life recall while sleeping (in a dream) is not something you interprete. It is a recall of a memory. A dream visit to another dimension or your village also is not to be interpreted, you were simply in your village but not using one of your bodies (the human body).

For instance again, you do not interprete a physical travel for instance to your NYSC Camp and the activities you had in a state in service to your country. It is what it is--an actual event, just that this time, you were there in flesh and blood. You could decide to visit the place and have the same experience in the dream. You still do not interprete it. You were there, but on the astral counterpart of the physical NYSC Camp and PPA.

Templee333:
Pls,if u dont mind, i would love to hear abt how u met Gopal Das (real life or dream?), how did he look like? How exactly did it happen? Did u knw it was Gopal Das when u met him?
@chieveboy

It was in a dream. Since I didn't know of Eckankar, I thought it was Jesus due to resemblance with images of Jesus we have today.

Back then, I used to have experiences with very bright light that sometimes makes my physical eye unable to accommodate light.

Gopal Das it turned out was actually an old friend from a past life in Egypt where he served as the Mahanta the Living Eck Master of the time.

I related it to my step mum who chided to shut up because she felt maybe I was not 'enough' to meet Jesus or maybe she thought it means I will die.

I kept that experience to myself till when of course I saw the same person in the Eckankar works. I had tried to remeet him, it didn't happen.

Lover of God and Seekers of truth are invited.

*INVITATION TO AN ECK LIGHT AND SOUND SERVICE*

Dear Blessed One,

ECKANKAR Nigeria, TEMPLE Centre, cordially invites you to an *In-Person and Online HU Song and ECK Light and Sound Service* scheduled as follows:

*Date: August 14, 2022*
*Venue (In-Person):* *_TEMPLE OF ECK, RUMUIGBO, PORTHARCOURT._*
*Time:*
*_i.  HU Song: 8.00am to 8.30am_*
*_ii. ECK Light and Sound Service: 9am to 10.15am_*

*Theme of ECK Light and Sound Service:* *_Divine Guidance in Everyday Life_*
*Officiator:* *_Henry Alapiki, RESA, Nigeria_*

You may attend any or both events Online via zoom by clicking on the link below. *The Online Platform opens at 7.45am:*

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Meeting ID: 868 7419 0746
Passcode: 388609

Please, you may forward this invite to anyone who is interested in attending these ECK events.
For further inquiry, please contact any of the following:

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Templee333:
It should be clear that my naration here is only "my experience",not urs or anyone else. Other people experiences will not be the same.Just as I stated earlier,I didn't create this topic to tell u that Eckankar is the wrong or right path to follow. My time with eckankar was very short,so i can't knw much abt them.Most importantly,this story will help any reader to understand my next story clearly.Anyone who read my previous story knws that my journey ended opp. Federal Neuro phsychiatic Hosp. Calabar Rd. Now u knw that I had a little knowledge abt BCS & Eckankar while I was sitting there at the roadside staring at the sign board:
"WIND OF CHANGE TEMPLE UNIVERSE",
My story shall continue in another topic:
my experience with wind of change temple universe. Meanwhile,the floor is open 2 anyone who needs to point out my lies & errors (without insult) in this thread or ask any question abt what i have said so far.

I think the inner master typically let have your freedom and let you know you can follow any path you want as you said IT told you. IT knows that Soul must gain all experience necessary before they can walk the ECK path, any evangelising, cajoling, enticing, forcing or tricking is counter-productive and a breach of spiritual law.

No force however in the universe can stop the meeting of the ready Chela and the Master!

Having found ECKANKAR online (here on Nairaland), I doubt you did online research about it than I did. This is in view of hearing how "evil" ECKANKAR was way back 1999 or thereabout from two people discussing it and how to my surprise, I saw the thread about Eckankar by benodic.

I was surprised because I never expected anyone to speak about a "cult" as we were made to believe openly. To make what I heard about them back then worse, Eckankar New Nyanya center used to be located inside a lonely bush close to Abuja which confirms our suspicion of them.

You can imagine my anxiety, suspicion and all. I dug some nasty stories online about them and so on, but hey, I had met the Eck Master Gopal Das as a 9yr old, so what is this Eckankar and what are we saying here?

We did cut through the online information and negative reviews by ex Eckists, etc like knife in butter and we're grateful for the privilege. It's been 11yrs now so far and counting.


No need to "defend" or clarify any incorrect statement here. These things have their place.


Each is always given their own.

Templee333:
i've checked the above but will like 2 ask u, do eckists who fail to renew their membership continue 2 receive their 2nd,3rd,4th...initiations?

Membership renewal asides the fact that it aids in providing your discourses and other publications you receive, functions as your commitment and consent to be a member of Eckankar. Consent is crucial in Eckankar in observance of spiritual law against tempering the state of consciousness of anyone without their permission whether for good or bad.

You cannot receive invitations for initiation if you are not a current member as results. You however remain a registered member for up to 5 years max.

One incorrect information you states earlier is that only members benefit from the ECK or Masters. That's like putting God up for sale as done in religions. Mozart worked with Rebazar Tarz.

Rebazar Tarz for one worked with thousands of scientists and inventors responsible for bringing most of our inventions and things that uplift the human consciousness today without these scientists knowing who he was at times, and without the beneficiaries ever hearing the word "ECKANKAR".

Anyone can benefit from the masters. All they ask is a loving heart and not membership of any religion, believe in God or rightousness. Their chief goal is linking any ready soul with the divine current. This is what an initiation is. This is actually the original target of baptism till it became are useless physical ritual today.

Templee333:
SOME SIMILARITIES WITH BCS
(1)love as the central teaching,
(2)reincarnation & karma,
(3)respect for all lives including animals,
(4)abstinence from alcohol & smoking is recomended but not forced,
DIFFERENCES
(1)BCS use bible while eckist use shariyat-ki-sugmad as Scripture.
(2)BCS wear white garment while Eckists have no specific uniform.
(3)BCS recomend monogamy but Eckists doesn't interfere in ur choice of marriage.
ALTOGETHER, eckankar gives more freedom to their members than BCS.

These are FAQs on Eckankar vs answers:

https://www.eckankar.org/explore/faqs/

Cheers!

Templee333:
MONEY RITUALS IN ECKANKAR?
There'r so many rumours abt eckankar.One of this is that eckankar is a money ritual society.I was told dat eckists kill their family members 4 money rituals & drink blood. In the eck centre,i knew eckists who were still strugling financially & some who were doing well. But i didnt knw any dat was extremely rich. I didnt get a hint abt blood money in their teaching. We were told that one's status in life depends on his past actions (in present & past lives), & dat any who wants to be rich must work hard. But when people relate stories of eckists making blood money & tormenting family members, stealing their destinies & bla bla bla, i doubt these stories. However, i feel that eckists are secretive in some matters. They didn't tell us new comers abt initiations,how & why it is done...LATER

Information about Eck initiations are presented on a public platform--a website

https://www.eckankar.org/engage/advanced-spiritual-living/eck-initations/

Templee333:
all u said above would be ok if not for the lines: "u didn't do it with love...recommended".
Sory i have 2 ask u this,How do u knw my motives & thoughts?

Like I mentioned elsewhere to you, "the apple does not fall far from the tree".

When you get results with the HU, you are at home finally with God within you. You are contented, happy and feel secure, this is not contentment by faith as in the case of the religion with nothing to show for it.

You run not after God of Men for help or complaining that you are experiencing nothing and your throat may break down.

When you sing it with love and feel or sense the ECK, love and sweetness will fill you up that you can't wait to do it again. You may experience light in your spiritual eye and hear the music of God. Mozart the deaf composer hears this music and whatever he was able to put on paper was called and hailed a classic despite the fact that what made its way to paper was a mundane version of what he heard.

This is what it means to experience God first hand rather than reading or hearing about it. Healing, Soul Travel, clear mind (intelligence), joy are after-effects of hearing and seeing this light. If you wonder what the fuss is about seeing the light and hearing the sound is, then these are the mundane effects of it.

This Sound and Light is not a reserve of Eckists. Any one regardless of faith in God or lack of it can hear and see it. Intelligence, etc are but the many ways it manifests and works in all living things. When people see light, hear the sound or experience both, they are experiencing it in it's purer form.

Not everyone can withstand the Holy Spirit in it's purer form. This is why you are asked to sing HU for maximum of 30min max. Repeat again daily to gain in stamina. A little flash of it can leave you sleepless for days, worse IF you are not ready and prepared for it. Conversely, it can make you spiritually great.

Also note removing all your problems with one fell swoop may send you rolling off balance (to put it mildly). So many things we ask that we are not ready for practically.

"Eckankar" translates to "Path of the Holy Spirit". It is where you eat bones and not live on milk of scriptures, beliefs, dogmas and creeds and so on.