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Booked I would be chipping in and learning here as well.

Uyi,
First off sorry to hear about your dad. From what I understand the house needs a leader and each family is unique so I don't think there's a one solution fits all in this case. What is however important is that you sit with your siblings to Marshall out a plan going forward on not just who sleeps over but on all other issues that other around this new arrangements. You and your siblings should be aware of what stake you have in this and you should be able to exert your authority on them.

When I say exert I don't mean by sheer brute force, you have to respect and be respected. You have to show by your actions and choices that not only are you capable of making the decisions but you would be able to make correct ones most of the time.
Leading - fear trust respect charisma........... There's many ingredients that can go into the cocktail, choice is yours.

Really important question.

I would believe a simple miracle

Draw a triangle that has angles more than 180 degrees inside.

debosky: I think she’s trying to shock some people into think differently. Our biggest issue is complacency - it’s not so bad, or other places are worse. Truth is, little or no change occurs if you are not fed up enough to change. As long as you feel it’s ‘manageable’, there’ll be no change.

When those who can afford to live in homes costing hundreds of millions choose to do so, with the roads in front of their house a mess, running generators endlessly, instead of e.g. coming together to fix those roads, setting up small generating units that can serve small areas, etc - when those that are well off are simply happy because they can go abroad for vacation, things don’t change.

Oga Debo,
You are right about one thing, complacency - Nigerians are relaxed. There is a reason I think for that, when a persons wahala is to survive he thinks differently from other people. When a person's source of survival is at stake they would do things different from the norm, oh yes it has spread like a bad cancer......Nigerians have so many problems all the pages in all the threads of this website would not contain.

The real question we should be asking is that does complaining from anyone - NIN or NID absolve them from the problems in Nigeria? Does running away and getting the passport of another country make you the one who knew what was best to do?
I have no qualms with where anyone decides to live and yes people can feel begrudged for what they have failed to gain from Nigeria, we all have a duty to perform one way or the other in getting things done.

I firmly believe that the Nigerian govt is a reflection of the people, if we stay in our houses refuse to vote and complain about those that were imposed on us then too bad, if parents of the kids who are at home have refused to fight for what they think is right then we are all culpable. A man who lives for nothing, will fall for anything.

My point is we all know Nigeria has problems, complaining and pointing fingers does not absolve us from it. Rinsola Abiola is a a young woman like the OP, she is albeit in a small scale trying her best to affect youths in Nigeria one way or the other, we are tired of hearing problems. We need solutions.

chukwudi44: Deliberately we have always used the expression 'direct attempt on the life of an innocent person,' 'direct killing.' Because if, for example, the saving of the life of the future mother, independently of her pregnant condition, should urgently require a surgical act or other therapeutic treatment which would have as an accessory consequence, in no way desired or intended, but inevitable, the death of the fetus, such an act could no longer be called a direct attempt on an innocent life. Under these conditions the operation can be lawful, like other similar medical interventions — granted always that a good of high worth is concerned, such as life, and that it is not possible to postpone the operation until after the birth of the child, nor to have recourse to other efficacious remedies
. -Pope Pius XII on the principle of double effect


The principle of the twofold, or double effect, states that it is morally allowable to perform an action that will produce both good and bad effects as long as the following conditions are all met. The example shown is for the treatment of an ectopic pregnancy, where the preborn child is developing in the Fallopian tube. If the child continues to grow there, the tube will eventually rupture and will probably cause the death of both the mother and the child.[13]

(1) The object of the action to be performed must be good in itself or at least morally neutral. In this case, the object of the surgery is to remove a pathological organ which presents a threat to the life of the woman. By contrast, the object of surgical or chemical abortion is simply to kill the preborn child ["object" is the end toward which an action tends, and does not connote the intention(s) of the operator, as does the word "objective"].

Utter Nonsense, people have got brains to think for themselves. This is a grand attempt at confusing people by twisting words to give the desired effect. First of all what is abortion?
Abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.[b][/b]
In your first scenario you comfortably call the fetus a "pathological organ" that presents a threat to the woman's life, for the purpose of soothing your conscience it is no longer a human being at this point - pathetic!
You move on to then say the object of surgical or chemical abortion is simply to kill the "preborn child" you think the sleight of fingers hand with words would fool any smart person?
An abortion is an abortion, it is done by removing the fetus simple and plain. If you say this process is killing then it is killing, whether it threatens the woman's life or not.

(2) The good effect must not come about as a result of the evil effect, but must come directly from the action itself. In this case, the good effect (saving the mother's life) is not caused by the bad effect (the death of the preborn child). By contrast, in the case of direct abortion (surgical or chemical abortion), the death of the child is wrongly considered to be the "good" effect.

Ok this one got me laughing, news flash oga the good effect is caused by aborting - killing if you like the the pre born child. You have to kill it to save the mother's life. Again we are not fooled.

(3) The evil effect must not be desired in itself but only permitted. In the case of the removal of an ectopic pregnancy, the surgeon does not intend or want to kill the baby; his death is an unintended and unwanted side effect of the surgery. By contrast, the intent of abortion is to kill the preborn child.

what is it they smoke at these places these days?
Is there a separate name for when an abortion is performed to save the mothers life? To even go as far as calling it an unwanted side effect is totally intellectually dishonest. The only way to save the mother is to "kill" the child, when the surgeon starts the operation it is to remove the fetus....scratch that - his intention is to "kill" the baby to save the mother.



Ok I am not going to bother about the rest, I do not worry about you but about the many readers of the thread who you intend to confuse with such dishonesty. To think that you talk about morality just makes me laugh, I pity you anyway really I do. Having to make excuses all the time for not only religion but also for the catholic church must not be easy. What I would have loved was for you to finish arguing here and come join me on another thread to justify the murder thousands of innocent women - (yeah real women not those about to die) and children very innocent ones as well by general ayotallah Moses.

It must really suck to be you.

italo: You're saying a baby born prematurely is not a human being?

...since he is not biologically independent and should still be in the womb.

That would be preposterous.

I dont even know where to start with you, I have given my position many many times and asked you what you would do in the scenarios I painted you gave the escapism answer of "it depends".
Please sir stop escaping lemme even give you a better, "realer" scenario so you can tackle for us

vivalableue: Ok I'm a firm believer in Christ. Already with 2 children in their young age (3 and 2) and I discover am pregnant. At first I was resolved to keep it, even though the father wanted nothing to do with his child. Until I started getting very ill, sharp pain in my stomach. The pregnancy was growing and causing internal bleeding due to a cyst on my ovary. I was so exhausted with running around with 2 small ones. Still even with prayer, I wasn't getting better. I had to stop working and was hospitalized. The abortion was offered and after much prayer and advice from pastor (who was against it) and parents (who were against it until they found out I was basically going to die if I kept the pregnancy, asked me to abort it). My kids must not be motherless in this very crucial time of life. I did it, and although I felt terrible none-the-less, I believe Godhas the grace to forgive and blessed me with in spite of my failings. I know that it was a very hard choice to make, but the babies who were already in my heart were my only factors. Yes my health and life meant a great deal, but the future of my babies was so important for me. How can you ask a mother to disregard the family she already has for a principle? Parents
will do anything to save their kids. That is all. Somethings aren't black and white, the world we live in is confused.

This above poster was hypothetically your wife, what would you advise her to do?
This country needs people who not only talk the talk but people who walk the walk.

ono: I await the OPs rebuttal to lastpage's grand entry.

That was a knock out punch na, there is noi recovery from that

babestell: My apologies if my english was misleading I said "in our human thinking we think God will understand" thats how we justify the action of killing a child to save the mother. I personally dont agree with that. Abortion is cold blooded murder no matter the reason, as a christian I believe God will judge us all on the last day based on our actions during our lifetime. Only then will we know if HE understands. A woman "feels" then she aborts a living thing, people can feel a lot of ways and most of them will not be noble feelings.

Madam,
You have to think carefully about what your are saying, like "nanz" just asked you when a fetus is developing in the fallopian tube that is a potential killer there for the mother. So if you know a woman who has this problem I take it from what you are saying you would never advise that the pregnancy be terminated even when the doctor has told you it would kill the woman. If you were in such a position such as to make this decision for the woman and you choose to leave things as they are you have effectively signed the death warrant of the mother. Murder is murder, is the fetus "life" more important than the life of the woman? My dear you are still in a conundrum either ways you have sanctioned that something should be terminated
- The life of the woman which every party would agree is a human being.
- The pregnancy is terminated.
Choice is yours....

I disagree with you here, a fetus is a living creature, a being with a soul and spirit, also i dont think any human being is truly independent from others just that the degree matters. In the case of babies its to a very large extent and thats how God made it. There are invalids and old and sick people out there who are vety dependent on others, when we are born we simply trade biological dependency for material, nutritional, financial etc dependency......all na dependency
As for the line........ There are cases of 7 month abortion where labour was induced, the lady birthed a premature child but the baby was killed, the doctors argument is that since the child was born as part of an abortion procedure, they were still right.. mean while with an incubator such a baby would have survived. People will cross that line and one day you will find them cultivating fetuses and harvesting them for stem cells because a certain vague line has not been crossed. The only line I would suggest is at conception

First of soul, spirit, all that is just conjecture, I can categorically tell you that a born baby is a human being and deserves a chance to live . I am sure you agree with that as well, same and every other person in this debate. Once a baby is born and is killed we all agree its murder. What we all cannot agree however is the intangible concepts of soul and spirit which differs in degrees as we go from religion to religion and from person to person.
By all means if you as a lady see your daughter traumatized after being molested viciously and you ask her to keep the child because you want to sound politically correct then by all means fine, it should however remain your opinion. The girl has a right to decide if she wants to keep a trophy for her trauma or not that is what this law is all about, my choice to decide if I want to "sin".

Even from a religious point of view is there anywhere whatsoever that your holy book says terminating a pregnancy is a sin? Maybe they did not know it was possible then.....still though it is a very grey area and if you are quoting one part of the ten commandments for me, what happened to the others that you have abandoned?
It shocks me how you all can excuse the killing of innocent women and children in the bible by Moses and come here to say abortion is evil. Talk about double standards.

babestell: He doesn't need to adopt kids. Did he tell you he was looking for kids . BTW when people adopt in naija, they usually go to great lenghts to conceal it, so the true statistics is not readily available. Like all things naija, the proper framework for the process to help people is not there. You csn spend years trying to adopt.....paperwork alone is crazy. That is why pregnancy farms flourish. People need babies from birth not at 3 months or 3 years. Give this girls an option....please don't abort, hook them up with families that need babies, let there be a sort of arrangement, take the stigma off adoption. In my maternal family, 3 out of 5 siblings adopted:for various reasons sha. The 4th one is starting the process now. When the first aunty adopted she tried hiding it but after a while it came out, the kid is 18years now and wants to enter UNILAG to study maths like me . If his own biological mother had aborted him nko.

The Fetus is a human being. No matter how people try to distort the truth or deny it. The fetus is a human being albeit a weak and defenceless one who needs 9 months to mature into an independent functioning one.

Let us keep emotions aside madam,
In your previous post you said God "understood" that she "murdered" the child.
Now let us your look at your analogy, you are saying murder is right under certain circumstances. If we go by what you are saying the fetus is a human being and innocent one at that, the woman killed a human being albeit to save herself. It is still MURDER no matter how much you paint it. If you say it is permissible under "certain" circumstances then certainly if a woman feels she cannot take care of the child she should be given the option of terminating the pregnancy.

My position however is different
A fetus is not a human being, all innocent human beings deserve to live. There is no reason whatsoever to kill a human being unless he or she has committed a crime which is punishable by death according to the laws of the land. A fetus however does not qualify as a human being because it is biologically still dependent on another human being to become fully independent. There has to be a line... a line where all of us christian muslim budhist traditional worshippers atheists all agree and that is when the child is born. At that point it does not matter if the child was a result of rape, incest, whatever it is that child is now a human being and ready to be accorded all the protection a human being should have.

[quote author=Bandit C.]What is being discussed here is :the human life".

Irrespective of what your emotional condition might be whenever you see that child, that child deserves to live, whether your emotions are bruised or not.

A life comes before whichever emotion a person may harbour.

Besides, you are not obliged to keep a child you do not want. Just give it up for adoption.

That child's right to life is the priority.[/quote]How many kids have you adopted? Your blood relatives adopted? I am sure it's zero.
The fetus is not a human being.

For example...

My response would depend on the case.

Can you kindly give what your response would be? Because like you said somewhere if at all you say you can terminate the pregnancy because it threatens the womans life then its murder still, if you leave it and the woman dies, still its murder. Whose life is better ?

But before then, ponder on this: If sustaining your terminally sick child would be such a strain on your resources and would make you starve to death, would you kill your child?

Make me starve to death, lol ok your analogy is kinda flat but lemme humor you, I would try till my resources are exhausted and then anything that happens after that well that would be sad.

In as much as it is a very difficult and traumatic situation, it is still wrong to kill the innocent human being. The right thing to do is to spare the life of that innocent child of God.

I understand the need to sound politically correct, I know you believe in God and you worship God and I know you believe God sees your inner most thoughts so there is no need for you to save face here. You would ask a girl 13 years old, who was raped viscously by 6 armed robbers to keep a child that would remind her of the trauma?
Lets start with the girl, how would it affect her psychologically. In Nigeria at least what most people do is move her away to a place where she would have less glare from the society still it would be nine months of horror. Even when the child is born I am very sure most of us have pissed our parents to the edge while growing up, you expect this not to be a source of constant emotional and psychological pain to her?
Lets move to the child, when he asks who is father is what fable would you give to him? He would eventually find out that he is son of "armed robbers" and trust little kids who ever get a hint to tease the hell out of the child, yet more psychological trauma........would you even allow your brother marry a woman who already had a child before?
Sighs.......the need to be politically correct.

striktlymi: If by the above you mean you are not a christian then my work here is done. The thread is meant to sample the views of other Christians who aren't Catholics.

First off you would not find me discussing in a trinity thread for instance. Thats in the full purview of religion, this topic however cuts across the fact that the catholic church has stood by certain practices which affect the lives of people I think it can be discussed. If you feel however that you cannot, no problems shift.

italo: So you agree that human beings should not be killed. So please tell me why human beings should not be killed but lower animals can.

What makes us special?

The question my brother is the definition of Human being. Thats why I talked about where to draw the line.

PS,
This would flow a lot better if you answered my questions as well
I repeat
If a pregnancy would kill a woman, would you allow her carry it till the end still?
Do you think it is morally right to ask a woman who was Molested by an armed robber to keep a child that would remind her of the trauma?

striktlymi: Mind stating clearly that the above is your personal opinion which is not backed by sacred scriptures?

Sadly, I am not a zombie. You can read the story of a man about to slit the throat of his child for God and think its sacrifice, then come here and ask people to carry babies from rape.
Is it everything you read in the bible you practice?
Lemme indulge you self, where exactly does the bible say terminating a pregnancy is wrong?

italo: So common sense is to kill an innocent human being?

The devil sure knows how to make evil look like good.



Pregnancy is terminated by birth.

Human life is terminated by abortion.

Bros,
This is very simple common sense, aside from the fact that none of the crowd calling it murder bother to check if these babies have been thrown into canals or abandoned in motherless babies homes or even sold.

Lemme ask you then if a pregnancy would kill a woman, would you allow her carry it till the end still?
Do you think it is morally right to ask a woman who was raped by an armed robber to keep a child that would remind her of the trauma?

italo: ^^^

The same way it would be evil for me to cut you to pieces.

I am pretty sure you can do better than that, the debate on abortion since forever has and will always be where the line is drawn on who is a human being.

chukwudi44: yeah.If only we come together to stop this evil.

How is abortion evil?
The catholic church has till this day refused even accent to the use of proper contraceptives. I have no problem when you guys have an opinion on religious issues, but when common sense says otherwise then there has to be a problem.
Baby factories have been popping up left right and center, this menace has to be curbed and at the root of the matter is giving these young women the chance to terminate it before it becomes a bigger crime.
At least Imo state can become the capital in Nigeria where people travel to have a proper medical termination of their pregnancies.

[quote author=Okija_juju]Brother..

Okay! I go PM you now now.. Make we seriously look into this matter. Na this kind of pile up is not good for my Nigerian Breweries shares.. [/quote]Bia Nwokem,
This your the more you look the less you see is very very unPDP-like
Now you don run comot Ph ba? Issokay As the newly crowned Arch bishop of ST. Bottles Cathedral I forgive you of your sins, go .....drink and sin no more.

[quote author=Okija_juju][b]NOTE::

- If you are against abortions and you dont volunteer at|own|work at or sponsor a Motherless babies home|Compassionate home|Foster care Home and other such charitable organizations where abandoned babies and kids are cared for, then you are nothing but a hypocrite.
- If you are anti-abortion and you dont currently sponsor a motherless child, then you are a hypocrite.
- If you are anti-abortion and have never visited a motherless babies home to see the plight of these kids, then you are a hypocrite.
- If you are anti-Abortion and have not adopted a motherless child|nor have any actual plan to, YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
- If you are anti-Abortion and find it hard to give alms to street kids that come up to your vehicle to wash your windshield in traffic, then you are a hypocrite.
_ If you are anti-abortion and have a small boy|girl that you and your family brought from the village that works in your house as a houseboy|girl for no salary|poor public education _{That neither you nor your siblings atteneded}|poor welfare and other such poor treatment, you are a hypocrite and a slave-master|owner.

#You guys dont care about these babies or their welfare, just about appearing politically|religously correct.

Abortion is simply a womans right to control what happens within her body. I have met several single mothers in Nigeria. One thing I always ask them in our conversations is; WHY DIDNT YOU JUST GET AN ABORTION? and their reply is always, I WAS SCARED OF DYING.. And I couldnt blame them. Many girls die every year in this country from abortion simply because we have created an avenue for quacks to scheme money off these women and basically kill them. Many of these girls never go on to attain their full potential because of this.

FUNNY!! Most of the anti-abortion campaigners here would NEVER!!! I repeat, NEVER!!!!! allow their male siblings marry a single mother. Infact, most of the anti-abortion campaigners here would never consider marrying a single mother and adopting their children. NO NEED TO FRONT ONLINE, WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH.. Infact, most of the people here talking, their extended family would never welcome a single mother into their midst, talkless of accepting a 'BASTARD' as a part of them.. YES!! I SAID IT!! 'BASTARD!! Thats what these kids are 'GRAMMATICALLY SPEAKING' _{This is grown man talk here, Lets please put sentiments aside...}

I know my society. I still remember when a young girl from a HIGHLY _{Emphasis on HIGHLY} Christian home got impregnanted by one street urchin in the neighbourhood where I grew up. I remember how they tried to cover up the news but it spread nonetheless. I remember how the girl was shipped to their village to stay with her grandma. I remember how they packed up and moved out of the neighbourhood a few months later from shame.. I remember seeing them about 2 - 4 years later in their new house, I remember entering their house and seein the girl in the house.. I remember not seeing a trace of that child anywhere.. I remember attending her wedding, and still no sign of the kid.. I remember later hearing that they either disposed of the child or dumped him in a home... #Poor Girl.. She still cant look at any of that knew about the child in the face.


We can look at this from a biological perspective, child right perspective, Womens right perspective, societal perspective, religous perspective, legal perspective, e.t.c.. The one thing we all can agree is that this is a very complicated matter that is bigger than 'ABORTION IS MURDER, SIMPLE!'.

_{Think about it..} [/b][/quote]Bros your bottles of Oloye and odeku dey pile up o, my barman don dey complain abeg where we go send am go abeg abeg bros abeg.....

*Strolls into bar*

Abeg barman one bottle of oloye for the early kick off this thursday

Who dey this bar?
I hear say zombie dey do press conference now even dey sign letter, abi Willie Willie Season 2 don start?

coogar: by the time you deduct income tax, fuel for generator, borehole, lordmart generators, security, vigilante, hospital bills, car maintenance(due to bad roads & traffic), the man in nigeria is left with almost nothing.

then there are intangibles - pollution(sound, water and air), outbreak of any disease, menace of the underworld men, police harassment, job insecurity, low life expectancy. can you quantify those?

look into the eyes of the average nigerian(especially lagosians), it's always bloodshot! and i am not talking about the alcoholics and the weed smokers. i am talking about the regular people.

LOL
I dont particularly agree bros, so many things on that list dey very negotiable. The main proof is how much is left in the account of the person who earns 10k USD a month in naija and a person earning the same thing abroad
Let us pick one simple aspect say car maintenance for instance, how much would it take to fix ones car in terms of labour cost in naija vs outside Nigeria assuming the man abroad and the man in naija have the same fault? some guys for ladipo dey good ooooooo

Health
Thats a no brainer, healthcare abroad is waaaaayyyyy better than naija, it is also waaayyyyy more expensive, how much goes to health for the man abroad ( medical insurance) vs the man in naija who prolly had just malaria and got some malaria pills from the very posh pharmacy near his house I guess thats why life expectancy is low

Job Insecurity
Errr I think thats everywhere as well, what happens when someone who earns 100k usd a year in Nigeria loses his job? Well that all depends on the person, he can decide to fire his uniform wearing security company and hire aboki services . The point is a lot is under his control, in this aspect its more dependent on the person, economies around the world are shyte at the moment



Still though if we were to look at it for the things we can quantify, the guy earning 10k USD in naija if smart enough would trump that 10k USD guy abroad in terms of what is left in his account at the end of the day. Its just my opinion.

Well I personally think if you spend a lot of money to get a masters degree, and then settle for doing "security" jobs or cleaning then that person is a colossal disappointment to himself and to humanity in general, I am not saying I am right its just my opinion.

As for earning power, I think things should be put in the correct context. Earning 10k USD in naija and 10k USD outside do not amount to the same thing at all, from tax to everyday living expenses ( rent, cost of gas, cost of labour - nanny et al) what we should really be looking at is the free cash flow the person has at the end of the day......I think.

Pataki: Everyone has their own preferences. When I visited Nigeria, I had people telling me they cannot relocate abroad. Simply because they are used to the lifestyle of people like Afam doing boy-boy at their beck-n-call.

Take a random sample of the working elite on the Politics board, you would discover the sheer illiteracy ravaging that country. I landed in Nigeria and custom/immigration officer was asking me, what I brought for him?

What I cannot stand stand further is when a mushin-olosha tout like Afam who has been beaten by a million mosquitoes yesterday night will come here and tell me he is living a better life in Nigeria.

Bros,
These days I have gravitated from being annoyed to just doing whats best for me, I love Nigeria and its that simple, I am proud to be a Nigerian. I am not proud of the way things are in Nigeria at the moment but I really have no qualms with being a Nigerian. For me Nigeria is a peculiar place with peculiar problems, our nature as Africans affect so many things we do.
The real question is, what constitutes a better life to you?
What constitutes a better life to me?
As long as we differ on the above questions then we are just arguing or like I put it earlier looking at things from different angles. Life is not easy anywhere, depending on what a person wants to achieve whats important to me and to you would differ. Some people I know practically live away from their families inside the deep water making money to "make ends meet", they earn money that still blows my mind away but my preference for wanting to be close to my family makes me different. When they release new cars (which only their wives drive by the way ) I turn the other way and manage my tuke tuke, because to me family life is more important. To some other people giving their family all the good material things of life is what the better life is, to others its values and ish like that. To me its a balance.
Here are the facts,
1. There are Nigerians living in Nigeria who have a better life than Nigerians living in the UK and the US.
2. There are Nigerians living in the UK and US who have better lives than Nigerians living in Nigeria.


But why the hell would someone with a Masters Degree be doing Mr. Biggs Security in cold cold cold Aberdeen?

OMO IBO: Lmao
Cleaners/janitors in clubs - that's what they do in bathrooms.

Laugh don scatter my belle

Pataki: Afam is my boy. I am teaching him a whole lot of stuff these days. I love spanking his dull igbo skulls. When you have people like Afam in Nigeria making mouth on the internet, I am coming to a full knowledge that your statement that people abroad can actually and conveniently wipe out most Nigerians who claim to be the working elite is true.

Thats one part of everything me I disagree with sha, working in Nigeria is very "peculiar" if you know what I mean it is only in Nigeria that the supply of water for dispensers or simple cleaning of a working premises has a lot more to it than meets the eye.

I would not give it up for anything though, aside from this thread being amusing (the back and forth yabis )I see that all sides look at the issue from different angles. Depending on where a person stands he or she would perceive that one is better than the other. My limit gats be 6 months even though that lagos airport is still terribly annoying

Laugh don keee me die here, which one be perfume sprayer again na
Una no go kee persin.

Shebi Una see why those in the diaspora go dey vex with us am not sure he can even use the loo by himself.

[quote author=Okija_juju]Thank you very much sir!!

Lest we forget to add to their job titles;

- MacDonalds Worker.
- 7Eleven Worker
- Taxi operators
- Security
- Bell hop
- Yahoo Yahoo
- Hair Dresser.


Of the 100% of Nigerians in Diaspora, less than 20% are actually rich. less than 10% are Wealthy.. The remaining are either just scrapping by or actually living on Welfare and Food Stamps..

Again.. I dont envy or Hate Nigerians in Diaspora, I actually pity most of them..

#Keep Paying off that Mortgage all your life, while your Mates are making it in this country that you refer to as a shithole..

I remember seeing one Igbo woman preaching in a Train Station in Harlem.. I walked up to her and spoke Igbo with her for a bit. My uncle actually asked her if she left Nigeria to come to Maerica to become a Train-station Preacher?! Tomorrow, that woman go dey act like say she better pass Nigerians for Area..
[/quote]Mazi okija you are in the spirit

Lol
The train station cleaners are at it again,

14 pages of encouragement for the burger flippers

This is the simple reason why he would be confined to the drudgery of being a political commentator only. A leader would be wiser than to use words like this. I am truly ashamed of this man.