EmirOfNews:
Good day, Bro. Pls, I will like to know about the India visa. I want to attend a 2months course in Mumbai. Thanks!

Hello. Yes, visa to India can be gotten easily. Just follow the instructions on the website.

Hey, I'm in India. Ask me anything.

I think this my old thread needs to resurface.

I live in India; happy to answer any questions.

Mogajunior:


I will not migrate to India for free. They are as corrupt, underdeveloped and backward as Nigeria.

I don't think you have been to India for you be be saying this. They are far far ahead of Nigeria, and I'm just being modest.

Na who peace hepp? I don't like what I hate

Eriokanmi:
More to come . That combo is annoying. Tinubu actually encouraged this in 2015 but buhari kicked against it. He stagnated a walk out of their meeting ahead of the 2015 elections as a means of protesting against the arrangement. Baba akande , aregbesola, etc had to talk his head off before osinbajo was considered as baba's running mate at the 11th hour . Tinubu has failed on this . Go to the twitter and see the way northerners kicked against this.

Each time he's approached on the arrangement, Tinubu would be making a reference to 1993 when MKO and Kingibe ran on same arrangement, pretending to forget the fact that Nigeria of that time wasn't as volatile and divided as Nigeria of today. He's also failed to realise that the main reason Nigerians opted into such an arrangement was because we wanted to send the military to the barracks at all cost and anything that would make that happen was welcome. We were so desperate that time cos military era was terrible.

As stubborn as they were, the military sef never made such mistakes of Muslim-Muslim leaderships throughout their decades of occupying Nigerian leadership space.

Buhari and Tunde Idiagbon was a Muslim Muslim combo

This voice is that of a comedian: African Ape

So I guess it's just a skit.

Let's resurrect this thread. Pastor Bankie fans gather here.

Haba nairaland. Where are all the UFC fans? Fight island is one of the most anticipated cards of the year and is being headlined by a Nigerian. This needs to be on the frontpage.

OP if you can also include time and how to watch in naija, that will be good.

Dear Librasky1, please come back to thread. Did you meet many Nigerians or Africans when you went?

Okorocha deserves it

simonlee:
that's how OsinbaJo once said "Senegalese jollof rice was better"... he has not been charged for treason till date!

That was Lai Mohammed and not Osinbajo.

This guy has been with Buhari since CPC days. I remember him contesting to be Imo governor in CPC then against Ohakim.

tunjijones:


Rochas can't contest for Senate president nao even if his certificate was not delayed.

I hear a lot of pple say this but lemme educate u guys a lil bit. A first time senator can not become the Senate president if not orji uzor kalu wld have contested for the Senate president position too.

Orji Kalu is not a first time senator. He was a senator in the older republic. 4th Senate, I think. That is why he is qualified to contest for deputy Senate president, as his ambition is.

Senator Okorocha my man. Best governor in the South East and future president, I salute you sir.

Let all your enemies produce certificate of mental fitness.

shadeyinka:

It is possible to see a dirty cat!
It is possible to see a clean pig!

But there is a big difference:
One has a nature of enjoying Filth
The other has the nature of Cleanliness

What happens if a pig is washed, cleaned, perfumed and sanitizer and taken to live within Sheraton Hotel for five years.
If this pig is given an opportunity to go out into the slums with plenty of muddy water, would the pig come home clean?

What happens if a pig is converted miraculously into a cat, given an opportunity to live in Sheraton for one week and then released to go into the slums with muddy waters. Do you think the Cat is likely to come home clean?

The problem we have in the church is that we have many untransformed but clean looking pigs. When they now wallow in mud, we question their salvation. But the question is really: were they really transformed from pig to cat or they just recited the sinners prayer?

My brother, you are correct. There is a lot of false conversion going on in the church today.
That is why I asked you the question: at what point is a person saved?
Some would have us believe this happens when you answer altar call and repeat after the pastor, but that is so wrong. In fact that method should be phased out totally. Let the sinner cry out to God himself for salvation from the depth of his conviction.
Some will say what if he doesn't know how to pray? My answer will be, have you ever seen a baby who doesn't know how to suck breast?

shadeyinka:



So the devil can!?

Rom 8:31-35:
"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us ? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?"
John 17:11-12:
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition ; that the Scripture might be fulfilled."


None of the scriptures you quoted is about salvation.

Let me ask you a logical question:
If you burnt down your father's house (through carelessness or anything), that is a gross offence. Your parents would be hurt...but do you think they will disown you? Do you know how many times you have wronged your parents through disobedience? How many times have they disowned you?

Can you perform an act that will make them finally disown you?
YES!
Would you?
MOST PROBABLY NOT!

Would you knowing that your parent would not disown you now go about deliberatly disobeying them? NO!
Why?
You know that YOU ARE NOT A BASTARD!



If a person looses his salvation through any means, he is lost forever.

Your last statement is true: "If a person looses his salvation through any means, he is lost forever."
So if you believe that, why do you then say once saved, always saved?

The illustration you gave of burning your fathers house down is inaccurate. One loses his salvation, when he rejects God (when he disowns his Father), the Father never disowns his children. But people can wilfully reject God, having accepted him in the past. God will not force such a person to remain saved. The person has taken an active decision, saying that he doesn't want the Holy Spirit anymore (this is what the scripture means by the unforgivable sin - blaspheming the Spirit).

We need to be very watchful. Teaching once saved, always saved is unscriptural even by your own admission. We should teach the "assurance of salvation" instead. We should teach that when we are saved, we have security in Christ and we can be free from sin guiltiness BUT it can be lost if we reject Christ later wilfully by our actions. And when that happens, we become damned and unable to return.

ojhandsome:



i will refer you to https://livingwordmedia.org these type of questions and much more are extensively dealt with

all those religious Christians preaching loss of salvation they dont know the implication of what they are saying its simply the result of lack of study of the bible and quoting out of context Jesus paid the price for your sins and the death which you should have died he did it for not to say we should now start to sinning NO people will quote 1cor 6;9-10 but we skillfully leave out vs 11 vs 11 says some of you where once like that you where cleansed and made HOLY and made right with GOD meaning at salvation..... righteousness was imputed when u believed the gospel the only thing that sends a man to hell is unbelief in the gospel and not sin NOBODY ever lost salvation in the bible ie after Jesus died and resurrected please visit the site above all these questions are dealt with in such away you cannot doubt NO believer is to be found in HELL it is not possible

You are now saying something different. Your colleagues are saying nothing can take one to hell once saved. Whether sin or unbelief.

Let me be clear with you: living in sin is equivalent with unbelief, because if you believe you wont sin. Read the bible yourself:

14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.
24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
—James 2:14–16

ojhandsome:



firstly no one has his or her own interpretation of the bible always allow the bible to explain itself ,,,to understand or correctly interpret the bible u must read the pretext n post text i will advice u start from the beginning of Hebrews... the book of Hebrews was written to the Jews as the name implies not to say we cant apply it today to us as Christians... so if you are reading Hebrews try to put yourself in the shoes of a jew because you and i are gentiles with this understanding the above verses u quoted was referring to the Israelite ie their fore fathers in the time of Moses how after experiencing the power of GOD they still refuse to believe start.... reading from chapter 3 down to chapter 6,,,,when u get to chapter 6 read dwn to verse 9Heb 6:9 do not allow chapters n verses confuse u the bible did not originally come wt chapters n verses it was added along the line to make reading easier

verse 9 says But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
KJV
after the writer has spoken about the isrealites in the wilderness he comes bk to u and i wich is what vs 9 is saying u are not like dem that saw the glory of GOD but hardened their hearts

salvation is a gift righteousness is a gift romans 5 17 u dont work for it once God gives u something he doesn't take it back romans 11;29

eph 1 13 says we are SEALED with the holy spirit

once you are born again you are kept by Jesus he is the one doing the work not

Jude1; 24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
KJV

see also
John 10:28-30

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.
KJV

hope the explanation is clear ..i call you blessed

No, its not quite clear. Are you saying the verses I quoted refers to the Israelites? If so how were they "made partakers of the Holy Ghost" and how did they "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh". Please be explicit. Thanks.

shadeyinka:

What we are saying is that if you see any "Christian" enjoy sin, such may never have been born again.

Is it answering an alter call that make a person born again?

There are many people who have answered to an alter call but are not known by Christ.

If one has the Holy Spirit, he will produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Or what do you think?

Please what is your interpretation of this scripture:

Hebrews 6:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

What does the phrase "fall away" mean to you?

alBHAGDADI:


Before you attend any church, always ask to know if it's Once Saved Always Saved. Flee if it's not. Flee from Pentecostal Churches.

What church do you attend, brother?

shadeyinka:

A person is saved when he realises that he is a sinner going to help and trust God for attornment of His sins through Jesus Christ the Lamb of God by asking Him through Faith because he believes in God.

Luk 11:9-13:
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"


Rom 10:9-11:
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation . For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

Ok, thanks for your detailed answer. The next question I have is this:

Are you saying that once someone has fulfilled this condition: "A person is saved when he realises that he is a sinner going to help and trust God for attornment of His sins through Jesus Christ the Lamb of God by asking Him through Faith because he believes in God.", then he is saved forever irrespective of what he does or does not do thereafter?

shadeyinka:

You are misunderstanding her.
She never condoned sin

She says "if the Holy Spirit doesn't convict you of sin if you do, you are never born again in the first place".

Let me ask you a direct question:
When does a Christian loose his salvation?

Bro, please can I ask you this?
"At what point is someone saved?"

Where are the jobs!!!!

See this one like stockfish

Taa. Jubril back to Sudan.

Some people have said the juju they used to win the league in 2016 is now calling them back.

Me I dont know o.

They should scrap this commission. Let all man find their own way for their own hajj. Why would government be organising excursion?

nzeobi:
we want issue based campaigns please.

Are you saying integrity and character of the candidates is not an issue?

ClassicMG:
Okorocha one of the few bad light of APC couple with Yahaya Bello, not business as usual but you want to install your son in-law against popular opinion

There is something I don't understand from you guys. What do you mean by against popular opinion? Are you saying he doesn't have the right to support who he wants? Why not allow Imo people to vote, and if he loses, he loses. Why all this hatred and disgusting sentiments?
Afterall, no poll has been held for you to know what popular opinion is on this subject matter. So please hold your peace and let the people decide.

Kingspin:
Ignorance or you lack a lot for not knowing how society ought to work and how good governance and development reflect positively on the poverty rates and living standard of the people. What is 5000 compare to policies that could transform lives for a long time.You buy paint of garri and 500 is gone, what next? You return to zero. If 5000 is your limit then keep it.

You are quite insensitive. In the US and UK, there is a welfare system where jobseekers get an allowance. Please explain to me why that is not a waste of money. Afterall they could have used that money to create jobs so everyone can work. You need to understand he place of welfare in any society. These 5k goes to pepple who have not held 5k together before. Watch the video of that old lady and see how 5k has changed her life. If all the roads and light is there, such a person would likely still not be able to find sustenance. Where is your humanity?