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agabaI23:
The strength of a team is measured by the extent of their exploits.
We should not be afraid of any team neither should we underrate any team. That's the stuff a champion is made off. Be prepared to take on the best.

Yeah right!! Arsenal made OFF

tkb417:
@Topic

we must beat QPR anyhow either by ojoro or anyway permissible in football
we need the 3 points

We have to beat QPR and then relax and watch City go against Arsenal. I will be an ARSE fan on sunday especially after we beat QPR.

The issue is, who will play in the middle, Carrick, Park and Giggs_{,[sub] some pple will blow a gasket now}[/sub]. Except Fergie reinvents something new.

Those 3 points are gonna be precious.

Emperoh:
. . . .and Fergie is not prepared to spend in January.
Ok then, we go siddon dey look.

Thank God we dey Europa league and who is even sure white washing will not be
our portion even at that level.

All these injuries!!! . . . . and with fletcher going on a viral sabatical, maybe we need to buy in this window.

The other question is who is available to fill in the vacuum? Any suggestions?

dayokanu:
The winning goal Lampard was involved from the beginning to the end.

The Pass to Sturridge that led to the foul and the penalty itself.

While Fernando was looking for people who would speak Spanish to him

Well Arsenal now has Henrys status in from of Emirates, [b]Chelsea has Torres statue on the bench.[/b]Let him keep the shape from there.

ha ha ha this is funny You are wicked!!!

coogar:
you never know. . . .fletcher is a dirty player who would have added more steel whilst giggs was doing rubbish.
gibson's shots from a distance would have helped with united just toying with the ball around the box with no real penetration.

I guess the news about his Virus might be the reason he did not get a look in.

coogar:
our season just got better with this news. . .
no cleverley, no anderson, no fletcher and fergie has insisted he's not buying in january?

Its gonna be bumpy

coogar:
i hope you know he had fletcher and gibson on the bench? those are natural midfielders. why play a team with no natural midfielder?
giggs is not a midfielder. park is not - neither is jones. fergie's selection wasn't the best but let's assume gibson/fletcher are not match-fit for argument's sake.

the match that got me hyper was the old trafford game against benfica - when he rested hernandez and rooney.

Gibson and Fletcher would have also been on the field as natural midfielders and still not show the kinda determination we expect of them.

They are also not exactly at the top of their game to say that if they were on the pitch the scenerio would have changed.

I understand your point about the game against Benfica at OT, but i also remember when we had this draw, most of us in here swore that Fergie could go to sleep and still qualify from this group using our reserves. The guys let us down, thats my take.

RuuDie:
Now its really game on. . . . . 2 points and I guess Citeh ain't sitting pretty anymore.

Next week, very same scenerio; we play some hours ahead of them. . . . .chance to go top and watch 'em squirm as they play the Gunners, hopefully, they'll falter again!

Now the competition just started

RuuDie:
Its not a result to get excited cuz its just Wolves. . . . . . . . . [b]but if the lads had played like this, showed this much endeavor at Basle especially after going one down; would we be moaning about Thursday night's in some non-descript venue in Europa!!!?[/b]Hopefully, they can carry on with this drive and see what becomes at the end - for now, we are back in the frame of things as far as the ligue table is concerned - over to Citeh!

Exactly!!!

I have been reading the arguements since and just think i will go with your conclusions. Those guys let Fergie down Big time.
Considering the fact that almost all the key midfielders were either suspended or injured. Fergie had to make do with what he had hence the trio of Jones, park and Giggs. truth is that is not a formidable midfield by any standard, but we still expect them to get the job done against a team like Basel, regardless of the result of the first leg.

We have played players outer position before and gotten away with it as a result of them stepping up and getting the job done. The players that played that day were strong enough to have gotten the job done, they let everybody down, especially Fergie. thats my take.

GboyegaD:
The last time I checked, we still operate federalism and as a nation, it is the FGN's duty to provide security for the citizenry. If those in government only knew what true governance is, they would have been able to assure at all times that each member of the citizen is secured.

It's becoming more embarassing by the day.

Which type of Federalism = True federalism, false federalism, pdp federalism or federalism as defined by who is in govt.

Ogosoga:
The problem is that Nigerians we want everything in life free, how can someone think that Nigerians are benefiting from subsidy?
You benefit from subsidy but you don’t have the road to drive the car that you put in the cheap fuel.

In Ghana fuel is sold for the value of 150 naira, in Ivory Coast it sold for the value of 260 naira.
Then the question is, does it means that the citizens of these countries struggle more than Nigerians? The answer is NO
because here in Nigeria everybody hustle very well with or even without government, With constant light ordinary barbing salon guy will benefit more than what he is benefiting from the so called subsidy.

Also these Countries are better off without subsidy then we will be better if subsidy is removed, Even these countries enjoy basic amenities’ more than we the Nigerians the giant of Africa, so it is better we make thing right.

The subsidy is only putting money to the pocket of few rich Nigerians and those are the people pushing the masses to fight the removal of the subsidy.

You dey compare the price of fuel in Ghana and Ivory coast with naija. Do they have crude oil??

anonimi:
USA, Britain and a few Scandinavian countries are also "blessed" with oil & gas natural resources. They give no subsidy but allow private investors do their business while government creates the enabling environment and monitors/controls just as is done with Nigeria's GSM since 2001. Evidence to support this governance model abound even in Nigeria. Moreover many able-bodied Nigerians are lining up and going to prayer sessions/vigils for visas to these countries where they have no fuel subsidy- WHY
One decade after we can see the difference with telecommunication service compared to NITEL that was on subsidy life-support without results. The same is true for Nigeria Airways. It is in the interest of everyone, particularly the masses to remove fuel subisdy.

Please do not compare GSM and fuel, they are not in the same league. With GSM pple waited for the prices to come down b4 buying. i remember when glo was selling SIM for 1Naira.

With fuel, there is a rippling effect on every other commodity, how would the poor man survive before supposed competition drives down the price for him to afford it.

Joey82:
@op,

its true subsidy has to be removed but for me, what's important is the timing more than the removal.
I feel the Government should try to build refineries that will be fully operational to augment for importations before removing subsidy.
Moneys spent on subsidy so far is enough to have gotten us at least 30 refineries and we wont have any need to keep importing and spending so much on subsidy.

benlay:
It's so pathetic when some folks come here and post what they do not know, fuel/gas is a natural resources and Nigeria is one of the few countires that is blessed with it. The subsidy came in place when 'government' put people in place to sabotage the refineries so we could start/keep importing fuels to the country.

I will give you an instance -Libya (one of OPEC members)
Petrol is very cheap in Libya, which compensates for all the above costs: one of the cheapest in the world. Some tourists find it "bizarre" that alcohol-free beer costs 5 Libyan dinars, when 10 litres of petrol cost 2 Libyan dinars. As in any other country, imported goods are generally more expensive than goods produced locally.

Petrol : 20p a litre (0.20 LYD).
Diesel : 15p a litre (0.15 LYD).


Update: (March 2011):

Libya has slashed petrol prices in Libya by 25%. The price of one litre of petrol is now 15 pence, down by 5 pence from 20 pence.
http://www.temehu.com/Prices.htm

Based on the above, 100 pence make one GBP,so 15 pence is about N37.50, a litre of petrol is sold for less that N40 in Libya, people what are we saying?
GEJ has been talking, i understand, he did not start the problem but if he wants to solve it, removing the subsidy is not the first thing to do, we should have more refineries in place and get the old ones working then no one should even be talking about subsidy in the first place.
May God punish all these people that drove us and left us at the juncture.

It is clear that all our past leaders including the dead ones need to be brought out and all of them shot and killed again.

The finance minister gave a staggering amount as moneys that has gone into subsidy and i can remember that all along we have been advocating for other refineries to be built but no way, they continue to steal the money thru develish importation.

How a country like naija still has delapitated refineries still beats me, and for those saying it is not right for govt to build refineries, i think that is just not right. Govt is in the business of making life comfortable for its citizenry and in cases like this there are some projects that they take into their hands which will always include private participation. we ought to have have had atleast 10 refinaries in this country, stop the exportation of crude and be in the business of exporting everything that is the product and by-product of this processed crude.

As per the removal of the subsidy, I strongly feel the subsudy should go. if i get what GEJ wants to do, he wants to remove the subsidy now sothat private refinaries would be built and then prices would be forced down through competition, which is not a bad idea and the supposed money used for the supposed subsidy channelled to other infrastructural development which we are not sure will happen cos of the level of corruption which he also has to tackle.

The problem is that we know it would take about 4 years, if they start now, for the so called private businessmen to build their refinaries, within this 4 years what will happen to the common man, them no go never die finish? this is the insensitive part of the whole subsidy removal and that is why refinaries should have been the first thing to be built while trying as much as possible to fight the smuggling that would be taking place. If the govt is serious about fighting the smuggling then i know they can, but because these same pple invested in GEJ coming election he cant/wont touch them.

We are in a very bad situation in this country. lets see how things pan out.

We were always going to be found out in europe, but for UNITED not to have qualified from a group like the one we had is embarrassing to say the least.

Am utterly dissapointed and this clearly shows that we needed a sneijder especially for the games in europe, but i even doubt if he was there, their wud have been any diff. We shud qualify from a group like this even with our blooding young stars.

Anyways, its the europa cup now, _{That does not sound palatable at all}

I support the removal of the subsidy, but for someone to just wake up one morning and tell us it will be removed is the problem here. The process of even removing it is even more scary. Is GEJ telling us that refinaries cannot be built in this country within the next three years with everone understanding that the subsidy will be totally removed after 3 years. this is like pulling the rug from under our feets without any form of regard.

Please dont tell me about any palliative measures that GEJ is keeping to his chest, it is well documented that the govt has almost always never lived up to its duties and you want us to expect that a govt with that kind of track record will suddenly implement whatever palliative measures it has. The palliative measures that you BEAF only know. How are we sure that they would even reduce the budden on the citizenry, talkless about it being implemented.

If GJ woke up 2mrw and said he was commited to true federalim and had this kinda zeal for it he would have   more supporters than this useless fuel subsidy nonsense.


Build the danm refineries and the issue of fuel sudsidy will be a thing of the past. Its as simple as that.

Emperoh:
I just hope this would be an opportunity to atone for that 6-1 loss
E still dey pain me no be small.

[color=Black]Guy no be only you the thing pain and am sure every UNITED fan wants a revenge.
The problem is that we are not really playing well at the moment, with the league i feel they will recover, but in cup competitions, one bad game and its all over(carling Cup)

The team is also suffering from a lot of injuries and lack of form of some of the players.

Emperoh:
Takers for the UCL this week?
How are lining up and what's the chance we are topping that group?[/color]

ol Boy, you are still talking about topping the group? The team has been rather disjointed in the UCL and topping the group is out of our hands except Otelu decide to develop ET powers and pommel Benfica and then we have to worry about which UNITED team plays against Basel.

I still think UNITED will qualify, topping the group is anoda thing ooo.

proudly9ja:
^^^
Take am easy on this your 'bebeto' moves abeg, When Arsenal plays two - three games without RVP and wins, then we can start celebrating. At the moment, we should be worried. So far, RVP has stayed fit and I pray it continues that way all through the season but whether we accept it or not, at the mo, we are too dependent on RVP!

Hopefully, RVP will be benched on Tuesday. Another chance for Chamakh and/or Park to step up

BTW, I see 'myth' has taken the place of 'mantra',

@ the bolded. thats very objective.

Because some other people managed to score today is not enough to debunk anything.

Mr_TA:
Lindegaard, Smalling, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Carrick, Jones, Rooney, Young, Hernandez.
Subs: De Gea, Evans, Giggs, Park, Welbeck, Fletcher, Valencia

Really glad we didn't buy a midfielder in the summer

The line up seems fair, de gea shud have some rest, but how jones operates or combines with Rooney will be critical, assuming Nani, Young and the other guys come to the party.

We have to win this game by all means, Arsenal and chelsea have won and the spuds can do us into 3rd place if they stay consistent.

^^^

Arsenal will end up winning nothing for 8 consecutive years and still praise Wenger for his achievements. Thats the part i still cant comprehend.

Its a seriously sad situation.

Mr_TA:
Berba would be too isolated with that.

I think so too.

I just think our formation should be mainly based on the style of play of the opposition and the players available among other factors.

coogar:
he wouldn't be. berba gets attracted to the ball, he's not like rooney or hernandez who tend to run towards the goal.
with that formation, there's more stability and the defence won't be overrun by the opponents.

4-4-2 is an obsolete formation. yes, it's the best attacking formation but it's the worst formation defensively.
if the opponents can find an intelligent pass from their own half when being attacked, it leaves 2-3 of their players against 2 centre-halves of man utd.
then we suddenly look outnumbered.

A 442 does not mean we must always go gong ho, the wing backs should also be cautious going forward. That way they can reduce the pressure when we are being countered.

na wa ooo 2-2

Nice goal fletcher

coogar:
make them play 4-3-3!

berbatov is really a special player. he's ripping these lots apart.

who would be your first 6 team players playing in front of the back 4?

coogar:
flat 4 midfielders again?
we never seem to learn from these redundant formations.

One of our strenghts has always been wing play and i think we find it hard to sacifice that.

what other formation would you recommend considering the form/style of players we have?


since we have about 4 line huggers in the team, we definitely have to use the wings, atleast one of them and that definitely affects the positioning of the other players as to what exactly is the winger supposed to do.

watcha think?

debosky:
Nice slowly growing thread. . . . not like the crazy days of August/September when we would gain 5 pages a day.

4llerbuntu:
thats because you and dudu and slim have stopped coming to tell us Tales By Moonlight and the Economics of iya basira's groundnut oil business

whatever it is thats occupying u pple is very very welcome

duduspace:
Haaaa Debo dey try me, if you see my ready prepared  Arsenal financial "Dead Sea Scrolls", you will bow.  

debosky:
Me sef don prepare my Arsenal's strategic failings 'War and Peace'

Halleluyah, So jokes are beeing cracked on this thread. Happy day are here again

coogar:
they both have their strengths and weaknesses but i doubt scholes was as good as anderson in 1997! anderson was never a central midfielder when he was purchased from porto. united converted him from his natural position to be playing in a 2-man midfield with 2 out and out wingers.
of all the teams playing 4-4-2 in europe, united midfielders have the most difficult task. nani + valencia tend to make the pitch wide for central midfielders as they are always on the touchline. ashley young is even worse.

when carlos quieroz was here, he doesn't risk nani + ronaldo on the flanks in big games. cos that will leave the midfield exposed as the 2 portugese wingers are too out n out. he either played ji sung park who isn't a winger or he played ryan giggs there and giggs has stopped being an out n out winger for at least 4 seasons - so the task is more difficult for our midfielders than any other team in the land. in my own opinion, we should dump 4-4-2. it's an obsolete formation!

I agree its quite difficult playing 2 midfielders when we have 2 out and out wingers. But Anderson critics will not want to hear that. Imagine him getting darts thrown at him for a game he did not partake. When he has a stinker of a game, all hell will break lose. How exceptional have the other midfielders been this season. Carrick is so good he has started all UNITED's games this term.

These same guys will be mute when he has an excellent game.

It beats me how we would be debating about how 'useless' a certain Anderson is in a game where he was not even on the bench.

As for the swipe at Welbeck, my mouth is sealed

StarBoard:
Stop confusing yourself.
It's too early to be contradicting yourself.
When Anderson was in charge of our midfield,how many assists did he have in our goal-spree?
When Tom Cleverley made his cameo against Everton,didn't you see how much balance he brought to the midfield?
Against Swansea,I'm guessing you didn't see what Michael Carrick,in spite of my criticism of him,brought to United in terms of breaking up their  (Swansea)play and making it difficult for them to get across to the backline,as well as passing more comfortably.

We blame Anderson because he was supposed to be Scholesy's successor.So far he has failed miserably.

If this is what you want to base your criticism of Anderson on then i think he will never have a chance to prove himself.

Anderson Vs Scholes, How do you want to compare these two players. Its like comparing apples and grapes IMO.

Scholesy pings the ball to any player from anywhere on the field perfectly, Anderson is good at short effective passes

Scholesy takes precise and very potent shots from outside the 18, we know Anderson cant shoot to save his life.

Scholesy has got no clue about tackling, Anderson fights for the ball in midfield.

Scholesy is not as effective as Anderson when driving forward, he (scholes) has an eye for that eye-of-the-needle-pass.

scholesy is ineffective at breaking up counter attacks, Anderson is quite better.

i dont know how you wanna compare these two players.

Pls note, scholesy is a UNITED legend and i have every respect for him and what he has accomplished with UNITED. He is one of the greatest players to have worn the MU shirt. To ask Anderson to replace him will be asking to much atleast for now.

StarBoard:
Did you see the reduced number of opponents' shot attempts since the Everton game as we previously complained?
Did you see the coverage Carrick provided for the defence?
So even if in your opinion,the midfield didn't improve,is that enough to vouch for your Anderson?

What exactly is the function of the midfield/midfielders in a game?

They are supposed to provide cover for the defense, initiate attack and control the tempo of the game, depending on certain circumstances (when winning or losing) this also depends on the type of players the coach has deployed for particular functions.

Now you are saying shots on our goal has reduced, which is true, but has our goal haul improved. The return of Nemanja Vidic has also greatly improved the defense. Who were those in the midfield yesterday, why did they not ping perfet balls to Chica so he can finish swansea off, since you feel carrick was impressive in covering the defence.

So what exactly is Andersons' role in a United shirt as would have been instructed by Fergie? To blame Anderson for our lack of creativity and alsso lack of covering the defence or even holding the ball is rather unfair, this i say because those are mainly the functions of a midfielder.

My arguement about Anderson is not that he is the best thing that can happen to United, but he is very ok for our midfield FOR NOW as we cant go into the market mid season, I will pick Ando over most or midfielder for now anyday.

so why blame him when everything goes belly up in the midfield. Even when he did not take part, his name is still mentioned.

RuuDie:
Pls fellow N'landers - I implore you; let us start scouting for clubs anywhere in the world that wouldn't mind having Anderson complete their numbers
After that, we offload Welbeck too. . . .

StarBoard:
seconded

Cheii, i don talk am b4, even when Anderson did not take part in a game he still gets swiped at.

Guys, the midfield did not improve even with the absense of Anderson.

untainted:
You should also know that "free market economy" doesn't mean governments abdicating their responsibilities

its not a matter of abdicating responsibilities, its more of of putting adequate structures in place for free market competition.

That route was not lucrative for Arik, thats why they were crying, using the landing slots that we as a country cannot fully utilise cos we have only one carrier.

See what BA has done, They have given Arik back there slots abi, and they have reduced their price by 20%, the little customers Arik was getting b4 now will swing to BA because of the 20% reduction in price. Does Arik have the same standard of service as BA? thats another question to be answered.

We just do things without thinking in this country.

They should, build refinaries, bring back Nigeria Airways, and other obvious projects instead of meddling in the business of a supposedly fre economy with pseudo-military approach.

BA might not be totally innocent in this whole brohaha but they seem to know how to get what they want eventually, we just keep reacting to situations, never being proactive.

Its a shame!

How persin go take measure/calculate the trajectory and speed of that ball now?

Mr_TA:
Nani

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/golazo-what-hit%21-nani-bosniaherzegovina-15695509/


You better stop this and leave some for man utd!

Abi.

dinah777:
Looting is looting,whether he lends back to you some of the money he stole from you or actually dashes you some,i cant believe our sentiments,how do we vote Leaders into power and instead of them serving the general public and steppin down respectfully in due course,They loot our money and throw it back into our face by flaunting their loots as if that is not enough insults,we are here justifyin their theft and tearng ourselves apart via arguments,A public servant in any capacity shldnt leave the office 1000times richer than he was at inception,This is totally wrong,Wake up Nigerians,Cut the sentiments and wake up,These leaders keep toying with our intelligence.Its my humble and analytical opinion.

This is exactly the point. A thief is a thief.

KINGwax:
sharap first! Think and type later! What about those who stole to invest outside thereby developing and feeding other nation's purse?

i think you should be the one to think first before you insult someone cos of his opinion.

By castigating him for his comments means that you support the fact that once someone gets into public office he should first loot the treasury and when he is done with his office and looting he then chooses one of the following;[list]

1. Decide to set up businesses in his country where he has looted.

2. Decide to set up businesses in other countries and

3. Decide to eat it alone.

As long as he is doing the first option according to you then the looting while he was in public office is justified.

Now, if this is the norm, and people like "you" support and justify it, then i never want people like "you" complaining about anything in this country.

This is because while the public office holder is in office he should be busy stealing money instead of making life easier for the citizens by using the supposed money he is given to better the life instead of stealing it and then coming to do "us' and 'himself' a whole world of good by setting up businesses with stolen money.

i am not a GEJ supporter, but am sure you are one of them castigating and attacking him for all that is his doing. He might be stealing his own money so that when he finishes his tenure he will then use that money to supposedly help the nation by providing emploment.

Stealing is stealing, whether you eventually come use the money for business in your country, outside your country or just for yourself.

We are in serious trouble in this country when people actually try to justify injustice. THIS IS NAIJA, am not surprised.

Mr_TA:
Gaffer, I might be sidelined for a few months after rupturing my ligaments trying to open a bottle of maltina. Im sure say we get sub sha,

Mr_TA:
I also dislocated my shoulder when I hit reply on the above message.

MY guy, you might also be fined 4weeks wages for those your careless injuries at a time like this when we need you?

4llerbuntu:
all of una dey fall my hand big time o. una too dey dull

make una go find trouble for manure thread na, haha.

if it was we that got slathered, 2 weeks they will still be yarning opata here, una come dey do gentle man.


abeg, till saturday at least, i dey their case kampe. even DK don go corner go chill, dem don nack am akpako yesterday, e don gentle

How will they dare come to man u thread to tease us when they know Arsenal can decide to capitulate at anytime and you know what that means.

It is something that has happened time and time again, to be precise 7 consecutive years

People are watching their backs