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coogar:
i need to know the number of people on this man utd bench.
[b]are you?[/b]emperoh
starboard
jaybee
mbuela
montelik

who else?

Am a first team starter, all i need is a mobile crizzle to pair with moi for an A performance anyday anytime.

chamotex:
I have no problem with a 3 man midfield . . . remember the Ando-Carrick-Fletcher combo? It is tested and trusted and we have demolished many big teams with that formation both in the league and most especially in the CL.

Exactly, but the funny thing about the game against CITY was that with the 2 man midfield we bossed CITY until the red card and everything went haywire.

montelik:
Coogar vs Starboard, dis is d match of d century. Abeg emperoh and co make room on d bench for me.

Make the bench no break ooo

chamotex:
I never said anything like that.

My point is . . . Carrick is the only CM we have that is disciplined enough to sit, hold and protect our back four.
You rarely see Carrick get into the oppositions penalty box any more compared to Anderson, Fletcher etc.
That makes a huge difference . . . not necessarily saying it would have made any difference in yesterdays game . . . we will never know that.

Like someone said before, Ando and Fletcher will struggle to get you 7 goals each in a season and they are not the most disciplined in protecting the defence either. At least with Carrick, you know what to expect . . . he doesn't bump forward but he sits and protects.

For me personally, we don't currently have the central midfielders to play 2 in the middle at this present time especially in the big games, and if we must do . . . it MUST be Carrick and someone else . . . at least until Cleverley returns to continue the partnership with Ando that has worked earlier in the season.

Naa never said thats what you said, was just airing my own view based on what you said.

this means we have to play 3 in the middle taking into consideration the oppositions' pedigree and style also.

I hope cleverly will still be in the form he was when he returns

mukina2:
did you watch 'six in the city' ?

This teeth wey u open resemble the one u usually open during orgasm

chamotex:
We've played Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Citeh now

5 top teams and the top 6 of last season . . . all in the first 9 games.
We can focus on trying to claw some points back now with a good winning streak.

Next up . . . Everton (away). Another tough test and Sunderland after that.
5 points gap is not a disaster at this stage . . . so many more points up for grabs.


As much as some people here criticise Carrick and jump on his back after every match . . . I keep saying and will continue to say it that he is the only CM we have that is disciplined enough to sit, hold and protect our back four . . . especially in the big games. He intercepts and breaks up opponents attacks with ease. He has the odd games here and there but he is vital in the protection of our defence.

We need a fully fit Vidic back ASAP too.

There is no way we can categorically say if a particular player was on the field this result would have been prevented. I think the players and Fergie just missed it, whether we attribute it to pride or whatever, there was confusion in the UNITED team yesterday. They just felt that they would be able to rescue the situation and then were always punished.

If that game had continued for another 30mins, na 20 - 1 we for chop.

But we have to move on, The defeat was humiliating and scandalous to say the least, but its 3points and CITY have beaten us home and away before and we still went on to win the EPL, thats what give me confidence that we would react to this. Its gonna be tough but this is UNITED.

The players we have are the players we will continue using, atleast until the jan window opens and thats no guarantee FERGIE will buy.

Everton and Sunderland must be the first two to suffer for this

mukina2:

wetin dey make you open your 48 naa

mbulela:
Monday Morning:

Mrs Ferguson: C'mon, Alex dear. It's time to get up. It's Seven already.

Sir Alex: Eh, What, ugh, What, How the hell? What, have they scored another one?

LMAO

debosky:


Coded you see this problem I don tell you about tey tey don become common knowledge now. You better go and ask Dr Kit for treatment.

You are wicked and devilish. You want DR Kit to gauge out everything for that area. Ha Debo, i thought you was me friend

@ starboard.

I think you are the one who should keep your mouth shut, cos all you ever see is the negative part of a team you supposedly support.

You now want us to give you a trophy because one of your numerous doomsday predictions have come to pass. Congratulations.

Because we have lost a game scandalously now means UNITED have no chance whatsoever in recovering and even going on to win, Infact UNITED will be relegated this season going by your negative predictions.

We were awful today and have lost steam from the beginning of the season, but you seem to be praying that a result like this comes so that all and sundry will bow down to you for your negative foresight, which what you only see.

If you were a Gayner who have not won anything in 7years, na mass murder and you probaly would have started with Dudu and Debosky who always see positives even in the light of losing consecutive games and are just recovering.


As per my being deluded and thinking from my testicles, i'll just say you need to see a Vet.

StarBoard:
I'm hoping coogar and co are watching his "better" side getting flogged.
Then he and his lot will make a case for Anderson.
I'm still waiting.

Ol boy wetin you dey yarn sef. The whole team has been dismal. why heap the blame on Anderson.

This is just one game and 3 points, we can still recover. This is UNITED, you still need to calm down. yes its a disgraceful lose at home, but please THE WHOLE TEAM WAS DISMAL. simple.

Congrats CITY. we will meet again

Emperoh:
Starboard!!
two of una go play abi una dey do e-quarrel?
Shuo!!! Abeg let's see your team before u start saying those who should and shouldn't play after the game
make we see your team now!!

Make sure you also mention the bench o

tkb417:
what is this?

The line up is fair, considering we have City next.

StarBoard:
Line-up,na. . .
Ol'boy,we're supposed to be the bench. . .

Please dont refuse to warm up when called upon

tkb417:
why u no put am for Bundesliga thread?

abi wetin concern us with this? lol

DK is Lonely. How he strayed in here is a mystery

montelik:
D performance was far from great, but anyone who saw d starting eleven would not have expected much. As for d complaints of d initial line-up. This is d difference btwn football manager and real life situations. Rooney didn't start cos his head wasn't right. Playing a guy who is not mentally fit and strong, is worse than playing a guy who is not physically fit. Nani didn't start probably cos he just returned from 2 crucial qualifiers with Portugal. Would some of you have wanted him to start if he only barely passed a fitness test in a tight contest like a visit to Anfield. Valencia probably only just returned after a long flight from d South America WC qualifiers. Should he also have started after such a long trip. Should Vidic have played after just returning form a lengthy calf injury and just completing 90 mins a must win qualifier for Serbia. Remember this was 12 noon kick off before another trip to Otelu on Tuesday. Surely if you are reasonable you can understand why these guys didn't start. Imagine if all these guys started along with Fletcher who just played 90 mins for Scotland in a must win trip to d invincible Spain, Evra who recovered quickly enough after sustaining a knock with France and Young who also played with England.

[b]Our last 3 visits to Anfield we have lost not cos we had too little quality on pitch, but cos Liverpool have outworked us and cos we were too open. They approach d game like a cup final and prevent us from really playing with any fluency, and then grind it out chances, look for mismatches and capitalize on mistakes. SAF reversed d trend and we got a point unlike d last 3 visits.[/b]Beat City at home and back to d top of league. This is reality. Its chess not checkers.

Hmmmm. . . . . . . . . I agree with you, especially with the bolded.

bxg:
Wat sort of lineup is dis

Manchester Unite team: De Gea, Evra, Jones, Ferdinand, Evans, Giggs, Smalling, Park, Young, Welbeck, Fletcher. Subs: Lindegaard, Anderson, Rooney, Hernandez, Carrick, Nani, Valencia.

No defender on the bench.

Dgunnerz:
Why u dey call him Deborah?
Na him namez be dat?

He successfully had a se.x change procedure and he is so delighted about it, hence the name change from dobosky to deborah

debosky:
Sharrap dia!

When did you become a resident on this thread sef? See wetin lack of football don cause.

Deborah, Why naaaaaaa

duduspace:
Yay, Diaby will be back soon and hopefully fit for longer.

dipo+:
I dunno why I seem to be the only one who isn't eagerly looking forward to Diaby's return.

4llerbuntu:
God forbid bad tin. i jump am pass

why would u even think a guy that last played like a year ago would be a good inclusion i dont know.

But Diaby will be like a new signing naaa

Ol boy this is strange ooo
Nobody don post here since yesterday.
Cheii awon boys have been utterly disappointed, nobody wan analyse anything again

Ok, PER is the best thing that has ever happened to the ARSENAL

COYG

StarBoard:
all in all,I don't know how to respond to you.
Has Anderson become that important to warrant that lazy,shot-in-the-dark statement you made about people blaming him for future losses?
How can you come to such a conclusion?
If you don't have anything to say,don't bandy ambiguous and conjectural statements about.
If you want and coogar want to write off a side who achieved what they did (never mind how) last year because of a team with only 10 competitive games this season,I wonder what your yardstick of logic is for doing that.
As per Arsenal,yes it was an Arsenal side,but have you wondered why it took Ryan Giggs'solo effort to beat Arsenal in 98-99?Have you wondered why that same side got trounced 3-nil at Highbury and required a late equaliser at OT to prevent a loss in the reverse fixture?
On a normal day,an victory over Arsenal isn't a guaranteed or a stroll in the park.If Arsenal had a complement of players,the scoreline would have been a lot less.
As per my position on last season's side,pull out any post where i complained about the side.[b]My only complaint about that side was that the midfield wasn't ok.[/b]There was the odd display where I complained about the performance,but it's actually funny you would want to make a point by saying I complained about the side.
And we were so lucky,we won the league by 9 points.
You want to laugh off last season's CL team,but this season,we are yet to win after two games and are fortunate to even have any points on the board.

I coulda sworn you were complaining about something else this season

coogar:
then you went about talking about the gilt edge chances stoke, arsenal, chelsea, etc missed. . . . .what about the chances united missed in those games? we created better chances to score against those teams and we were more clinical than them. man utd vs arsenal could have ended 15-5 on the night. man utd vs chelsea could have ended 9-4! the fact still remains we have shown we can outscore our biggest rivals - that is what would win us titles!

QED!!!

StarBoard:
Is this supposed to mean anything?
Has he covered himself in any glory since his move to United?

If you cant decipher what i was infering there, forget it.

StarBoard:
Quit trying to discredit last season's side.
They were rubbish,but they won us the league by 9 points (3 games).
They were rubbish,but they only lost in Europe once to Barcelona,winning all but one game on the road(a creditable draw at Marseille).
They were rubbish but they managed to stay unbeaten at home both in the domestic & continental scene.
Tell me how many teams were able to achieve that feat across Europe.But because the competition is weaker,you are christening this team the ish only after about 10 games just because we're scoring for fun,even though we are brittle at the back.
Resilience to me is to hang in there when the going gets tough,not when everything is sweet&rosy with lots of goals to boot.Resilience is digging yourself out of a hole or getting a result where no one expects you to.Last years side won at Chelsea for the first time since 2002 yet they are thrash.Last years side turned numerous 2-nil deficits into at least a point.Last year's side beat Chelsea 4 times,including the Shield including a pressure cooker game at OT after a loss at Arsenal at the back-end of the season to effectively seal the title.Last year's side won at the famed Britannia where this same squad could only get a draw.Since you believe Brittania is likely to be the graveyard of all the great ones, including Messi,shouldnt that come for something especially since your flair team of this season only drew there?
Last season's side was indeed truly rubbish.

I dont believe you are the one typing this. Is it because last season is over and everyone now knows what we achieved thats why u can say this.

If we pull out all your post during the course of last season am sure everyone would be surprised you are praisng the team of last season.

You also complained about how we were playing and there were peeps in here that told you to cool down. everyone knew we were kinda lucky winning the EPL last season, most other teams were SHYTE, lets just say we were the most consistent amongst an inconsistent lot .

Now you are saying we played well last season, all in the bid to discredit Anderson. Let it be on record again that i am telling STARBOARD to CALM DOWN again

As per the UCL, we took it a game at a time until we got to the final shikena .

StarBoard:
tkb,
We won against Chelsea but they could have scored 5.coogar's hero Anderson was in that game,Almost gifting an assist to
We have been poor lately yet we are asked to chill because of 6wins and a draw.
Torres and having a stinker of a game in general.Never mind AVB,we weren't superlative as the scoreline would suggest.
Norwich city kept running rings around the midfield with soulman Anderson in it and strolling to our 18yard area like they were athome.Last year's side
We beat a non-descript Arsenal side,should we be basking in the fact that we scored 8.That Arsenal side,as Ruudie pointed out,was so wretched,they didn't deserve to score on the day.Referencing Ruudie,did we united fans believe we could rack up that scoreline against an Arsenal side on a good day?Even our 99 side found it hard to beat them.

When we played with about 9 defenders and still won the game, why did the opposition not take advantage of UNITED. we beat a number of players wearing the Arsenal jersey. you talk as if even with their strongest side UNITED has not won them b4.

RuuDie:
Same way we blame Berbatov, Carrick, Evans and the likes

But that is not really the bones for me. . . . .for some very odd reason, Coogar is playing "Anderson's advocate".
Personally, I feel Anderson is not playing very well at the moment but am not squarely placing the blame on his shoulder or anyother for that matter; my point and worry in general is we are relatively fine going forward but in defence, very poor. Just because we haven't been beaten yet doesn't make it alright. We don't have to wait till we get a proper hiding from some obscure non-league outfit before we realise that we have to sort out our midfield because that is where the bulk of the problem emanates. Yes, we are thrashing teams left, right and center but as at this stage last season, I felt more at ease with the team than than now.

I think this is  where the Koko is, I also agree Anderson can do better than what he is playing ATM, but my arguement is, if the Gaffer did not bring in anybody in the summer for that role and Anderson is the 'best' we have at the moment and giving his best which is obviously not expected by most of ya, why blame him consistently. Flectcher don carry virus dey waka, while carrick is also not at his best, but Fergie feels of all the three suited for that role Anderson will do for now.

Unless you can immediately draft in Makalele, dunga, desailly, edgar davids, viera and the likes then i think we shud just calm down.

Anderson can play better than what he is offering today, and the truth is it is working for us. The bestest midfield will also get beaten someday, so lets expect that to happen soon.

The other bone of contention is weather this midfield can hold till the end of the season, for me i think it can. although re-enforcement can come in jan if baba agrees.

If we played Barcelona today, i would start, Young, Nani, Anderson, Cleverly, Rooney and welbeck.

The funny thing about this whole Anderson arguement will be that when we eventually lose a game it MUST be Andersons' fault even if he did not play

StarBoard:
Still won't answer you.If Messi is your point of reference on Anderson and you feel we should excuse him(Anderson) because of Messi,no need to respond.His first season was four years ago.That is an AGE in football.Referencing that period doesn't help your argument especially since it was s long ago.I agree he hasn't been lucky with injuries,but the fact is he hasn't managed to replicate that form is telling on his abilities.
Injuries however should not be used an excuse.Since he's been back,he's not been consistent i n his performances so far, Against Chelsea,probably our biggest game of the season so far,he was non-existent.Same as against City in the shield.Don't get it twisted.
We have a thread bare midfield.Anderson was bound to get games.
It's not the same scenario.Fergie is playing Anderson and hoping he will come good.Placing his trust in him doesn't entail hauling him off 5 minutes after scoring the opening goal in a game we were struggling because of the poor middle.
Our "best" cannot be present since a particular midfielder was injured.
Our " best" was absent in the big games this season and against some really abyssmal sides.Ol' boy,leave this humble pie thing.You be woman?
Is it a crime to admit one was wrong?
Even if I criticised A.Y.,I was doing so based on his Villa career,which was decent at best,but not what I felt will be enough for United.I was proved wrong and I apologised for it,why do you keep bringing it upConcentrate.
I said "I daresay". (speculation)
I never said you definitely criticised him.
Two different things.

He was piss poor against teams you would expect him to perform well,and piss poor against the better teams.
Yet he's our best.

Everbody knows Anderson is not the best thing that can happen to UNITED's midfield and thats why we all anticipated the arrival of sneidjer which would have affected whatever formation we are playing now.

All am saying to you is that criticizing your "best available midfielder for now" just does not make any sense especially in the absence of his supposedly functional sidekick .

Unless you have someone miles ahead of him on the bench then i can continue this arguement. it makes no sense arguing about something you cant change.

when cleverly return, that even makes it more relevant for Ando to be on the field for almost every game.

StarBoard:
Not going to answer that question.That shoulda come from the simpletons in the gunners thread.
Ask what role Messi plays for Argentina and compare that with what he does for Barca and you have your answer.Shikena.

Why wont you answer it, peeps have complained about Messi's performance with his country like you are complaining about Anderson. Messi is class, we all know that so why has he not translated that to his national team, or the coach is scared of building the team around him regardless of which role he plays?

StarBoard:
Aside from his first season at United(07/08) kindly show me when he did it on a consistent basis for United convince me why he will come good if after four seasons,he is still turning out insipid performances against Norwich City where he gets hauled off after scoring.So in otherwords,you're saying the manager needs to bend the team to fit round Anderson.
A manager as successful as Sir Alex Ferguson.If we're talking of Arsene Wenger,I could understand.
It makes no sense.
So Anderson moves on to another club,does he then wait for the coach who will find the pairing that fits him best depending on the opposition.Unless he (Anderson) wants to spend the rest of his career here.

He played very well in his first season, thats enuf to tell us he has it in him to play well, even without cleverly. You are not being fair to Anderson as he has been blighted by injuries in the last 3 seasons and i dont think you expect Fergie to consistently play an injured player. some players recover well after injuries while some need quite some time. its unfortunate that they may get injured again when they are tryna get back their groove.

As we all agree, If Anderson moves to Arsenal Wenger will too glad to build his team around him which will not be a bad thing and there is nothing wrong in finding a pair that suits him, isn't that what all coaches basically strive to achieve.

But the same successful coach like Fergie seems to have placed his trust on the same anderson you are complaining about.

StarBoard:
I openly admitted eating the humble pie on Ashley Young,unlike a few of us who berated him and are scared to admit they were wrong.I dare say you are among them.
I'm almost betting my mortgage that Anderson will continue shilly-shallying and bumbling his way to one inconsistent performance to the other this season.He has a chance to establish himself as our midfield kingpin,but so far he hasn't done it.How piss-poor was he against Chelsea?Basel?Norwich?
The coogar you are referencing was crying here for Sneijder.Why?

i think you enjoyed the humble pie and want more. You vehemently criticised an Ashley young who had not even kicked a ball for UNITED how you came to the conclusion that he would be shyte beats me.

You also brought out a quote of mine trying to prove a point. what point i dont know, let me explain my comments

I agree Anderson has not been up to his best This simply means he can do better than what he is doing know and its left to the coach to find a way of getting the players best, either by giving him a run of games or any other method that suits the coach.

But i believe he is the best guy for that roll This simply means as at now he is the best for the roll, UNITED fans are also not exactly comfortable with fletcher and carrick since cleverly got injured. so whats your point? except you can bring in a better player now your complaints about Anderson will make no diff.

Kindly show me where i berated Ashley young abegg show me.

he was piss poor against some teams, thats being selective abeg, so he has not contributed anything meaningful this season??

Most of us wanted sneidjer, and even with sneidjer, Anderson would have still gotten games.

@ starboard,

please can u answer why Messi is so uninteresting when he plays for argentina?

Does that mean Messi is shyte?

Anderson has done it before without cleverly and i believe he will come good, Like cooger said, the manager needs to find the pairing that suits him taking into consideration the opposition we face as at that time.

Dont know why you are all over Anderson, show me a better midfielder for his position in UNITED now and then we can say Fergie is the one spoiling things. The last time i checked we are still on top and its due to the efforts of this Anderson that you wanna crucify as if he hsan't do anything for this UNITED team.

I agree Anderson has not been up to his best but i also believe he is the best guy for that roll considering the others are Fletcher, Giggs, Carrick that are somehow available now, they are also not exactly in their prime now.

The flavour of the humble pie you ate as per berating Ashley Young even before he kicked a ball for us is in the oven am sure you enjoyed it and want some more

folahann:
Difference between Arsenal and Man Utd/Chelsea. The latter don't need to be at their best to win games. As a matter of fact, they can be so poor and still bag 3points. Whereas, Arsenal can play so well and end up losing badly not to talk of when we are poor.

This team's problem is more than particular problems. Sagna too is now out for 3 months. Will now be stucked with Jenkinson. SMH

A very truthful post.

duduspace:
Na so we see am o Kay, time for Jekinson to step up or what? .

Kay-Dee:
Jenkinson aint as bad as some people's comments suggest.

It means he'll get more games now and hopefully improve.

duduspace:
Coquelin can play RB as well and if push comes to shove JD. The team just needs to hang in there till January when these players are expected to come back. For now all these boys like Ramsey have to stand up and show why the manager is backing them. The 2 I expect to be back soon TV5 and Diaby should improve the team greatly.

This is surely a pathetic team, the first team player who also has not been perfoming well suddenly gets injured and they they expect the bencher to step up. Always expecting that because they expect someone to step up he will step up. we all know what the results have been for the past 6/7 years with this strategy and they are still doing the same thing again. This is pathetic to say the least.

You still expect the ramsey that was giving away the ball in dangerous places is the one that would carry THE ARSENAL to the promise land. SMH

duduspace:
The team just needs to hang in there till January when these players are expected to come back. The 2 I expect to be back soon TV5 and Diaby should improve the team greatly.

You will be fighting relegation at that time and those 2 wont be able to do diddly squart

mukina2:
shiooor na now una dey crawl out

its kinda funny, Muki is soooooo active in the spurs thread.

Are u ashamed of your thread, coming to hide in the spurs thread

kay_pumpin:
You want to talk about a gem in the midfield today?Talk about Coquelin.

He still lost today


well well usually Asernal starts off the block and then mess things up at the tail end of the season with a form like LLDDWDDDLLDL

with this early poor form, its gonna be terrible cos i dont see these lot becoming invincible at the business end of the season

coogar:
it's the advanced stages of the european competition that i worry about and that's because we failed to land wesley sneijder or any other quality midfielder. . . . .

Thats where the koko is, and thats what will make this season worthwhile, winning the league would not excite me as much as winning the UCL.

Again looking at the squard without the so called quality midfielder we so craved for during the break makes it look kinda bleak, but then on hindsight we hope the likes of real, barca, chelsea and bayern eliminate each other and we get to meet FC bate borisov in the finals

montelik:
Chei with all d arguments here one would think we are Arsenal  . Pple should just chill. After d flying start we had, its only natural we would drop off once d games started coming thick and fast, with injuries to also contend with. I can't lie Ando has looked a little off recently. But d season is long, nobody goes thru d season permanently on form. Even past players like Ruud, CR7, Keane, Cantona e.t.c didn't go thru d season permanently on form. All you can ask is that they produce decent results even when they aren't close to 80%. We played some breathtaking stuff in d opening month, so a little dip is allowed.

Starboard na chief complainer!!

United is not playing as expected, but even with the few games we have played this season, we were worse last season, heck who ever thought we would win the EPL and get to the final of the CL last season. i for one didn't cos we were really not at our best last season.

No two seasons are the same, i know that, but guys should chilax abe, This is UNITED, not AssAnal*

Although i feel we are off colour now, but is still respect UNITED whenever we go behind, even when Basle went ahead i was impressed with the way we reacted. Am not saying we must allow that situ every time to react, but we cant have it all our way every time.

Abeg, leave Ando alone jor, who do we want to play in that position now/ lets stop complaining because it seems Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs are also attracting criticism, although Giggs tried today, Fergie still has to find a way of rotating the team to keep every one match fit and maybe happy.

folahann:
I hope wetin happen to Man utd no go happen here o.

if that kain thing happen it will not be a draw, na lose be dat

Funkymallam:
Its official. Man u is finished! No rooney no man u!

shut up!!!!!