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But PDP too messed up. With those figure up there we could have built 5 Dangote sized refineries and be refining every drop of crude in Africa today.
That could have created millions of high paying jobs.
We are now looking at N-Power.

This is no excuse to be sharing money and food to potential voters or allow people's religious right to be trampled upon. Where is Leah? Where are the killers of Benue farmers. Where are the APC looters today,?

News like these are only a matter of time.

University education is never a cheap venture as most Nigerians assume.
Nations that offer free education at university level demand a huge tax and make sure a good percentage of those graduates are absorbed into their labour force productively unlike ours. This way, most beneficiary of the free education end up paying back more than what they enjoyed as free training. I am talking of nations like Germany Finland Ukraine.

They know the graduates must be productive so they select the best minds based on merit unlike Nigeria were it is largely based on connection and sentiments.

These people are shameless. . . political positions are not personal ones.

I use this opportunity/thread to humbly invite the heavyweights political party supporters here on nairaland like sarrki, madridguy, buhariguy, senatordave, racoon, tonyebarcanista, amaniro tonyzaks, irokoOluwere, maclatunji
, HigherEd.

Please make known to us where you can, the stance or plan of your candidate/party on these undeniably sensitive issues to our nation.


I also invite the mods for consideration. Mynd44, lalasticlala please consider for FP.

Chibuzor11:
This shows the ease through which fear mongering and war mongering rhetorics has subtly been leveled in this our counter cultural society.

How can a man who slaps women at the alter of his church still allowed to walk freely?
This man has been chasing his tail since, I see no reasons for all his unnecessary wailings.

I lost all the respect I never had for this man the slapped a woman at the alter of his church and his followers were calling and hauling him, it was really bewildering.

PDP's political wing is really miserable.
I love free thinkers they question things unlike brainless sheep that follow without question.

Before you complain about the slap of a girl on altar why not talk a little about the killings of infidel who don't share a belief or conviction with certain set of people.
Can you in all honesty compare what is happening to Leah sharibu to any form of slap? or even the Chibok christian girls?
Imams have been raping almajiris to stupor but a slap is more weightier to you.
Muslims will always be Muslims.

Basher8583:
But no brains...
If you dont believe me ask GEJ

4 ur mind.

fuckipobs:
When Aso Rock was turned to National Chapel during GEJ, a complaints was not filed to God. Now that a Muslim president is trying to free the country from corruption. Every tom & jack dey preach against PMB.
Is it possible to use corruption to fight poverty ?.

Are u for real? So you haven't seen his 2014 warning clips or the earlier ones?

It is like APC men do drink fermented pap for breakfast.
Lazy people who were diligent enough to have a certified candidate.

Never. Buhari can try bit will only be playing with his own head.

That's why we must ask candidates the questions listed here : https://www.nairaland.com/4813361/what-key-plans-presidential-aspirants

What are their plans for
Fulani crisis, NNPC, Education, Debt, Diversification and other pressing issues? You can join the discussion.

Our reliance on oil did and is still very much alive to bury the economy.

That's why we must as candidates the questions listed here : https://www.nairaland.com/4813361/what-key-plans-presidential-aspirants

Originalsly:
Your thread....simple question....who is the devourer?

The same one in the bible Malachi 3

openmine:
Bro I believe the purpose of your thread is to enlighten you and others about the question you asked!
Now being the one who wants to learn,you should be asking more questions to their submissions and not making it seem like you already know!
Secondly,I believe the teachings and instructions in Malachi are an extension of the laws of moses,the levitical priesthood and the old covenant!

For every law of moses in the old covenant, comes with an obligation to obey....failure to obey attracted punishments!
In the case of Israel not paying tithe as instructed by God in the law,they will attract devourers!

Now the question you should or may be asking is which covenant are you under?
Are you under the laws of moses?

Your epistle clearly doesn't answer a simple question even you acknowledged in your story.
How can I get the devourer rebuked?

Originalsly:
You make me laugh in gigabytes!...but noooo.....the tithes never do reach God nor the poor....so you tell me who is the devourer??

The tithe reaches the poor as far as I know. maybe for some churches but that doesn't make a pastor the devourer. Never.

Frozen brained individuals applying frozen logic where faith should be flowing.

Originalsly:
You're asking to provide Bible-backed arguments..... but where is yours to support what you are saying about God rebuking the devourer? ....and who exactly is the devourer?...the pastors?...absolutely no doubt...most of them do devour the tithes. If I accept what you say as true...then God has to be paid to take action?....as in one of the benefits of tithing?...no tithe no rebuke from God? You seem to equate God....asking how to provoke Him to take action you want Him to.... isn't that blasphemy?
I suggest you read the Bible for yourself. To understand the issue about tithes you can start right here by studying....not reading....studying Ihedinobi3's comment.

I laugh in megabytes. So God gave the devourer the tithe?

SocialJustice:
Hmm, my mental state is on a level that is so beyond you. You are even below the initial benchmark I placed you on.

Have a nice day and enjoy the arguments you asked for because they are pouring in already.

What argument are u referring to? You see why I doubt your mental state? Glad to have you leave the thread.

nelsonoba:
Oh!! So you even know that in the early church, they were paying 100% tithe And yet today it is an impossible task for you to pay ordinary 10% which is the minimum God commanded??

I guess you still remember why God killed Ananias & Sapphira in the early church?? In case you don't know, I will tell you; They tried to pay 50% tithe instead of the 100% tithe that every other person in the church was paying at the time, and they lied to Apostle Peter and told him the money they brought was 100% tithe. God killed both of them for it.

Stop making wrong inference sir. Ananias and his wife were killed because they lied to the holy spirit. The Holy Spirit's move was what triggered that free giving movement.

HeyCorleone:
Smh. Why is Africa overly spiritual?

When last did Gates, Ortega, Buffet, Cook, Zuckerberg (a Jew, whose religion the tithing thing holds strong since they have Levites), and other great men pay tithes?

Why do Africans believe in unnecessary spirituality?

Most Americans and Europeans have never even thought about paying tithes yet they live a life better than most Nigerian tithers.

Religion has done nothing but impede the reasoning of Africans.

To be canal is death but being spiritual is life. Folks like you have taken the series of physical analogies after which God has modelled the complex spirit realm and cemented them as bedtime stories. Keep arguing with Gods word there.

HeyCorleone:
True. They are commandments to a specific people.

Malachu tells us that tithe should only be given to Levites.

Is your pastor a Levite? See how you go about disobeying God's word deceiving yourself that you're doing his will.

Born again Christians are the Jews of the last days. Get it?

paxonel:
there are no devourers anywhere.

It is your inability to manage your business and finances that is the devourer of your finance

Go and tell that to a man who has suffered series of business/career failure due to strange accidents or external happenings beyond his powers.
It is funny how folks manage to pass waec and graduates with an A here and a B there then start thinking they suddenly know more than God.

drtwist:
I will be glad to discuss tithe and other topics with you if you are ready to. 08067871456 u can WhatsApp if needed

No I prefer you drop your ideas here for all to see and assess.

gratiaeo:
I wonder why those devorer only after Christians, Africa in particular. Our problem is not devorer but mentally slavery

Crab in a bucket attitude is largely responsible for African attacking fellow Africans.

SocialJustice:
The Bible is not politics or any other earthly enterprise you argue over mostly for the sake of just arguing. If you want to learn, then ask to be taught, do not ask for argument between other Christians.

I doubt your mental state behind that keyboard of yours. If it was impressive enough you would have shown me where I argued.

A logical question to those who lay claim to knowledge isn't argument bro. It is called inquiry. I needed to know what has taken the place of tithes as regards rebuking the devourer.

Simple.

Hotfreezer:
Look at this OP, he's not giving tithes because he loves God, he's giving because he wants to 'rebuke the devourer'.

Most ignorant tithers try to bribe God by giving to receive, not freely but expecting something in return. Those who give to charity give freely, not expecting anything in return. That's why those who pay tithes are usually poorer than those who give to charity

Sowing and reaping is a natural law, not a spiritual law. Even if an atheist or animist gives, he also receives.

I laugh in megabytes? is tithe and offerings now charity. To me they are commandments and covenant keys.

Horus:
Jesus never took from his congregation. He never passed around a basket or tray to receive pledges and donations at the end of each sermon. He never asked for a payment. Nor did he ever tell his disciples to accept money for their assistance as found in Matthew 10:8-10: “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.”

What does the bold mean?

SocialJustice:
You woke up with your demonic erection and you feel we should all be a part of it. Not even to advance your soul but for the sake of arguing. I don't know where your type of Christian comes from.

How did I argue with you now? I only asked folks who claim to know something I felt they should know.
You are taking too personal sir.

ednut1:
Welcome to nigeria where self inflicted woes are attributed to demons

You must be extremely ignorant and insecure as an individual to lay claim to knowing what other people go through more than themselves. Stay there and be sounding smart...

Your bible and a note pad. These two could be substituted with a good electronic gadget with a bible app and note taking app.

Others are
Extra cash - you could meet some truly needy dude or babe that day and help pay a transport fair or buy a new/old friend lunch.
Pen.
Expectation list.

Also of importance is the need to give to the truly needy especially those who aren't in a position to help or do anything for themselves that moment.

Some give to their buddies to impress and get social acceptance but think such giving glorifies God. It doesn't. Giving to be seen is bad as explained by Mathew 6:2-4.

hmmm...