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Vinnie2000:
Very correct from you, OP! Any pentecostal that believes in Trinity MUST accept Mary as the mother of God!

That's right.
But the Bible don't support trinity. It's a false doctrine.
God is one single being.

NNTR:
Thats why God is God. God is never handicapped

Inasmuch as you keep using your twisted and crooked mind, trying to fit God into warped theology box, you'll never have the opportunity and privilege to worship such God.

Joseph, adopted Jesus, just as all believers do.

Have you a problem with that

Yes, there are brothers and daughters of God and it is a familial relationship with God

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Jesus is a distinct person from God the Father Who is the one true GOD.
Jesus is not equal to Him in any way.

God is all by Himself. He's the source of all life.
God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else.

AntiChristian:
How can an important pillar of Christianity be this unclear?

Is Jesus God the father? No!

Who sent Jesus? God the father!

Who did Jesus pray to? God the father!

Jesus said our father who is in heaven "never on earth physically"

Jesus doesn't know the hour but the father knows all things.

God can't be born as a human, suck breast, become helpless as to need parental protection, cry, suffer and die!

Even before dying he was claiming his father forsook him. Why didn't he claim he forsook himself?

Lastly a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased.

Jesus is not God!
Mary is not God's mother nor God's wife!
I wonder why Joseph is not God's father too!

That's why only the JWs hold to the pure doctrines of the Bible God's WORD.

Lighthouse50:
Jesus is never the father. he is only chosen as the son

Thank you.
Jesus is not also equal to God the Father. The trinity is a false doctrine.

Workch:
OK, maybe if you can provide testable evidence, atheism won't exist

Lol you sound like a robot asking it fellow robot the evidence that their manufacturer exist.

Your reasoning won't stop God from existing.

The way our DNA works is a prove that there's a mastermind behind nature.

You see, orderliness can't come from disorderliness just like you athiests say something can't come out of nothing.


I'm not a product of big bang. And human are created to live a purposeful life

Sheddy5:
lol this prove how you simply lack comprehension, your jv pastor has probably brain wash you...

"let your kingdom come" he's refering to heaven.

"let your will be done on earth and it's done in heaven" before any miracle manifested on, it has already been manifested in heaven, before any chain lose on earth, it has already been lose in heaven.
these were the meaning of "let your will be done as it is in heaven" statement.

The kingdom of God is not heaven.
God's kingdom will rule this present earth in the future. It will definitely come to earth.
Daniel 2:44
Revelation 5:9-10
[9]And they sang a new song with these words:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
    and break its seals and open it.
For you were slaughtered, and your blood has ransomed people for God
    from every tribe and language and people and nation.
[10]And you have caused them to become
    a Kingdom of priests for our God.
    And they will REIGN on the earth.”

May you have peace!

Sheddy5:
well keep decieving yourself, jv witness.

May you have peace!

Pls when your a ready to put away your foolishness and learn, the JWs are willing to help you see the TRUTH

Workch:
nope, we have 7+billion people on earth recorded, only about 2.6billion are Christians. So why do you think your own religious tenent and description of a God should be absolute for the remainder 4billion+ people who don't share your personal beliefs?

Even if only 8 million people are the only true Christian worshipping the one true GOD Jehovah in spirit and TRUTH, it's enough!

udoji2021:
Just look at what you typed and tell me you are been rational here.

like i earlier said, i'm not against your believes but i'm also not comfortable with it, and there is nothing on earth that will make me to believe such.

do have a nice sunday brother

From the Bible verses I gave you, which is a sin against God, accepting blood transfusion or not accepting blood transfusion?

And do you know that accepting blood of another person into your body expose you to blood related diseases?
Some have even died immediately after they accepted blood transfusion.

The fact is only Jehovah GOD can save us from the power of death.

If God said we should abstain from blood of any creature and we should not consume it in any way, injecting or transfusing into our blood stream is a clear violation of His command.
May you have peace!

Workch:
Because you don't know stuffs outside of the Bible

Because what you post wasn't clear. Edit it.

Workch:
So how come you think your God is absolute for the remainder 4billion + people of the world we are not Christians?

I didn't get you

who and who will constitue the said 144000?

God will choose them from every tribe and people of the earth. They are saints and were baptized by the holy spirit while on earth i.e born again.

when and where did jesus said that holy communion should be taken once a year?

Jesus didn't say any specific time or number of time communion should be done in a year.
But once in year is the best since most celebrations done in the old covenant are yearly.

lastly, do you mean that there is no judgement day?

Bro there's judgement day of course. some will be raised to experience judgement.
Jesus and his kingdom main work will be to reign on and judge the earth.

udoji2021:
@colnelboy

Workch:
That's because you only read the bible, you don't know what happens outside of the Bible.

No I do

Lol, athiests and their flying spaghetti monster

Workch:
not by your God.
It was planned by the flying spaghetti monster.
This proves that whatever you have been typing is nonsense outside of Christianity

I don't know any flying spaghetti monster.

Workch:
no one will be saved.
Stop being deluded.

Have you ever seen anyone saved?
You get ideas from thr Bible, a book written by illiterate bronze age nomads. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

I didn't exist randomly and purposelessly and I'm not a product of "big bang".
The universe itself is a proof that everything was planned out and created by a higher being.

udoji2021:
and how is recieving blood from another person a sin against God?

God’s View of Blood
Blood is vital. Without it, none of us could live. As the Creator, God has the right to say how blood may be used. What has he said about blood? Can it be eaten or transfused? And how can you make good decisions on this matter?

1. What is Jehovah’s view of blood?
Jehovah told his worshippers in Bible times: “The life of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Leviticus 17:14) To Jehovah, blood represents life. Since life is a sacred, or holy, gift from God, blood is also sacred.

2. What use of blood does God forbid?
Jehovah commanded his pre-Christian worshippers not to eat blood. (Read Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:10.) He confirmed this command when the governing body instructed Christians to “keep abstaining . . . from blood.”​—Read Acts 15:28, 29.
What does it mean to abstain from blood?
If a doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, you would not drink it. But would you eat foods that contained it or have alcohol injected into your veins? Obviously not. Likewise, God’s command to abstain from blood means that we should not drink blood or eat meat that has not been bled. Nor should we eat any food to which blood has been added or inject blood into our body.

Workch:
They are bullshit to 5+billion people that are not Christians.
Nonsense and a worldview of Christians that is only obatianble in Christianity.
You get it

Not everyone will be saved

Workch:
all these are only true in your religion.
They are bullshit in reality

They are bullshit to you

Thanks for proving my point.
If Jesus is God, it's logical to conclude that Mary his mother is the mother of God.

But most Christian denominations claims that the trinity is biblical but don't want to accept that Mary the mother of God is biblical, that doesn't make sense na.

My parent believes in trinity and that's what I was made to believe while growing up.
But after some extensive study of the Bible, I saw and knew the TRUTH and it set me free of ignorance and men uninspired doctrines!

The trinity is a false doctrine just like believing Mary is the mother of GOD.

udoji2021:
i can't say all for now but their teaching is a kinda weird to me.

things like their is no hell, and only selected people will go to heaven.

you can't recieve blood from another person when you are sick.

nothing like holy communion.

etc

The holy communion which Jesus commanded his disciples to do in remembrance of him is actually the only celebration the JWs observe, and it's once in a year. They call it memorial.

How's not receiving blood from another person a sin against God?
They are even honouring and obeying God's commandments.

Yes only selected people will go to heaven to rule with Jesus as kings to form God's Kingdom in heaven. They are the 144000 mentioned in the book of revelation. The kingdom is coming in the future to fulfill God's wills for earth.
It will restore peace and justice to the world and destroy any form of evil.

The righteous will then live eternally on new earth in abundance of peace. No more death, sorrow, pain suffering, crying, pain, hunger, poverty, oppression etc. In a nutshell, there won't be any form of evil.

Sheddy5:
we are on earth to pass/overcome the trials and temptation, if we the children of God over come all succesfully, that mean we're the choosen ones to make heaven.

Are you sure you could overcome the trials and temptations of this world?
Aren't your scared that you might eventually end up burning and wailing in fire forever?

So what about the animals around us, the wild ones, trees, and every other creatures, will they go to heaven or hell?

Sheddy5:
Adam and Eve sin against God and that's why God change his intention of creating man i.e for man to pass through hardship and temptation then the obedients ones we stay in God's kingdom (heaven)

Where did God say He changed His intention?

Gods kingdom is not heaven bobo.
The kingdom was probably established after Satan and his rebellious angels were defeated and driven out of heaven by Michael and his angels.

Though the kingdom is presently in heaven, it will come down to earth in the future and restore peace to the earth.
That's why Jesus prayed "let your kingdom [/b]come and let your will be done on [b]earth as it is in heaven".

udoji2021:
I'm not against JW, neither did i hate them but i don't believe their teachings for one bit, and no one can make me to accept such teachings

Which of their teachings is against humanity and the Bible?

Do you know JWs don't carry weapons to kill their neighbours i.e they don't engage in wars and kill people just like Jesus taught that we must love our neighbours as ourselves and we must not carry weapons to settle disputes?

They don't also engage in any form of politics but rather are waiting for God's Kingdom {Daniel 2:44} or government {Isaiah 9:6} headed by Jesus to come to earth and restore peace and justice!

If everyone today was a JW, how would the world be today?

the body would definately decay but God will rise the soul for judgement... "once a man die he will face judgement" it's in the bible..

Paul only said, "after death is judgement", he didn't say the judgement will happen immediately after death.

once a man die and face judgement, he/she will make heaven or hell acording to the case and judgement...

This is a lie!
When Lazarus Jesus friend died, he was in the grave decaying just like Adam and Eve our first parents did.
But Jesus brought him back to life through God's power!

when jesus return, all righteous people/children of God will follow jesus to heaven...

Lol I thought you already said that after death is judgement and some will make heaven while other hell?

Sheddy5:
May you have peace.

Sheddy5:
cornelboy
stop posting inrelevant chapters that can't prove you right, instead, it's seems you're rounding one circle....

i know about all the chapters you put up there and i also knew it was God that show john the revelation, remember revelation is hard to comprehend hence you don't understand what the revelation was all about...

the earth it's not our parmanent home and all true christians knew it...

Your just a church goers that only believe what your pastor said to true.

Where did the Bible say the earth is our temporal home and heaven is our permanent home?

If heaven should be our permanent home, why are we here now?

If Adam the first Man hadn't sinned where will his permanent home be? Why wasn't he created in heaven?

So what is your interpretation of those verses?

Pastorprenuers!

Most Christians (church goers) today from protestants churches and all other Christian denominations believe that Jesus is GOD and he's equal and the same as the Father.
If they are really right as they think they are, why do they find it hard to believe virgin Mary as the mother of GOD?

The fact is, if indeed Jesus is God and he's the Father, there's no blasphemy in saying Mary is the mother of GOD.

The Roman Catholic church is the originator of trinity and "Mary the mother of GOD" doctrines. So why should we believe in one and reject the other?

Sheddy5:
another big false, tell me the exact chapter or keep the false to yourself, a child of God must and would definately make heaven, know this and know peace.

When a righteous person dies, he will rot and decay in his grave but will be raised up when Jesus come back.

Some are already resurrected to heaven and ruling together as kings with Jesus their King. So Jesus is the King of kings.
For the rest of us, when we die, we will remain asleep in death in our grave and await resurrection.

You haven't show me where the Bible says Jesus will judge at the gate of heaven near hell fire.

Sheddy5:
cornelboy
all the chapters you posted up there does not prove your point and it was john seeing the revelation.... Try to be specic... Show me the exact chapter that it's written that humans will leave on earth afterlife....

earth it's not our home, does that endure and obey his command will definately make heaven.... Read the chapters that you sent carefully and see how it prove me right.

Revelation 1:1-3
[1]This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,
[2]who faithfully reported everything he saw. This is his report of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[3]God blesses the one who reads the words of this prophecy to the church, and he blesses all who listen to its message and obey what it says, for the time is near.

Are you saying John's revelations are not from God?

Revelation 21:2-4
[2]And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.
[4]He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”

John revelations are things that will happen in the future, some are even happening now.

May you have peace!

Sheddy5:
Cornelboy
you miss_interprint all the verses you provided, show me the exact verse God said we'll leave in earth after judgement? Remember jesus said in his father house there are many mansions, remember the scripture said the righteous will make heaven and sinners will be torture in hellfire for evalasting... If you can't understand simple scriptures then you're not worth argueing with me....

i think you're jehova witness that turn bible upside down...

when you face judgement in the end, remember what i told you.

Some people will actually go to heaven and rule with Jesus. They are part of the kingdom established in heaven according to Daniel prophecy in Daniel 2:44.
These people are the 144000 thousand mentioned in the book of revelations and they are kings while Jesus is their king.
Hence, not every true Christian will be resurrected to heaven.

May you have peace!

Sheddy5:
so where did God said everything will return back to normal? I only saw "return to dust" try to be specific and factual.

My candid advice for you is to take your time and study the Bible to get the TRUTH and stop listening to your pastor and church.

Only angels and spirit beings dwell in heaven, God initially created the earth for man and every other living organisms to live in.

So if God take the righteous people to live in heaven forever, what will happen to animals, trees and every other creatures on land and sea? Will God just destroy the earth and have nothing to do with it again?



Revelation 21:1-5
[1]Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.
[2]And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.
[4]He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”
[5]And the one sitting on the throne said, “Look, I am making everything new!” And then he said to me, “Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true.”

Go and figure it out.
Death, crying, sorrow and pain only happen here on earth not heaven, so God will come down Himself to the new earth and put end to all form of evil.