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udoji2021:
Wwhich church or religion can you recommend or think that is worshiping the almighty God? i'm not going there again(he even said i don't have a problem sef) for any protection but to candid with you, most of what he said made sense to me.

As for my condition getting worse, i don't really care again cos my little mind is telling me that i have seen it all already

How about you join the Jehovah witnesses. They are the only Christian denomination that purely worship the one true GOD!

Jehovah GOD can help you through them.

Emusan:
Thanks for that!



But the evidences are abound in this thread



Thanks once again!



How does this relate to my post?



Jesus coming again

Hasn't he come in 1914 according to your organization?



Your organization said this has happened in 1914.

Or do you think is a lie?



When there's no correlation between my post and your respond here!



According to Jws because Jesus presented the same body to His disciples.



Then, won't Kingdom of God also be on earth?

If flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of God, how come the same flesh and blood will leave under the kingdom of God on earth?

Like I said earlier, you don't know what that verse is talking about.



But God's kingdom will also be on earth.



Smile.....your confusion is growing bigger, you asked for the scripture where Jesus said to be equal with God, I provided the verse!

You couldn't say anything about the verse but jumping from pillar to post



You can search for them online



Here, you have it

Extracted from the article below

His Life as a Man

The second stage of Jesus’ life course began when God sent his Son to the earth. Jehovah did this by miraculously transferring the life of Jesus from heaven to the womb of a faithful Jewish virgin named Mary.

Here the article says "The LIFE" of Jesus is what Jehovah transferred to Mary's womb.

The questions now are!
1. Was THE LIFE a whole being/person of the Son
2. If it's just LIFE, what happened to the spiritual body where the LIFE was taken?



We start with the above point.

The level of your intelligence is extremely low.
Sorry I don't think I would be responding to
all your posts.

Reasons: 1. if Jesus was in the beginning with God and God sent him to earth and his life wasn't miraculously transferred to Mary's womb, which could it have happened?
2. You asked me this:

If Flesh and Blood can't enter the kingdom of heaven, how come the same kingdom will come to restore peace on earth where FLESH AND BLOOD will live?

And I replied that is there anywhere in the Bible it says spirit beings in heaven can't come to earth?
You still went ahead to ask me the same question:

Then, won't Kingdom of God also be on earth?
If flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of God, how come the same flesh and blood will leave under the kingdom of God on earth?

You don't know that spirit can come to earth abi? Or you don't believe Jesus is coming back in his glory with the kingdom?

Sheddy5:
did the scripture you read said adam and eve did not go heaven?
if God did not chage the purpose, then why are we going through hard time and labour?
you read without comprehension, next time try to understand what you read.

Did yours says they went to heaven?

Sin death suffering came through Adam sin and God will restore everything back to perfection.
He never said his purpose has changed.

How could going to heaven be the solution to humans problem?

Genesis 3:19
[19]By the sweat of your brow
    will you have food to eat
until you return to the ground
    from which you were made.
For you were made from dust,
    and to dust you will return.”

Genesis 3:3
[3]“It’s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said, ‘You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.’”

Sheddy5:
bible verses needed or i classify this as false?

Jesus will hand over all his authority to God. And GOD will rule directly over ALL (including Jesus.)

1 Corinthians 15:24-28
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

God Himself will come to earth and dwell with His people

Revelation 21:1-5
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.



John 5:28-29
[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
[29]and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
[16]For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves.

Matthew 6:10
[10]May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
    as it is in heaven.


Daniel 2:44
[44]“During the reigns of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed or conquered. It will crush all these kingdoms into nothingness, and it will stand forever.


Compare those verses I provided and figure it out yourself.
Note: the kingdom of God is not the same as heaven but the kingdom is presently in heaven which will come down to earth in the future.


Also, just like Jesus was on earth the first the he came, he will also come to earth in his in his glory, the second coming!

Sheddy5:
bible verses needed or i classify this as false?

I will give you Bible verses and you should also provide Bible verses supporting that God changed his purpose for us and Jesus will judge at the "gate of heaven close to hell fire"..

Sheddy5:
Genesis is an amazing chapter, i've read the whole of it long ago and it's an amazing read, you can do the same.

I have read the book more than three times and I'm sure there's no where God said he's changed His mind.
His promise and purpose for earth and mankind still stands.

Even the first Man and his wife didn't go to neither heaven nor hell but returned to the ground (grave).
This is the same for us. When we die we go to the grave!

Sheddy5:
at the gate of heaven, close to hellfire.

Lol.
This is just your imagination, you didn't get it from the Bible right?

GOD Himself will come to the New earth and dwell with His people after Jesus has completed his mission.
Jesus will then hand over everything to God the Father, be subjected Him, and GOD will rule over all.
Jesus will come directly to earth to judge it, not some imaginary "gate of heaven close to hellfire".

Sheddy5:
if you're righteous, that mean you're doing God's will. Check mathew 7:22

Where do you think the judgement will take place, inside heaven or here on earth?

Sheddy5:
1. Read the whole of Genesis.

2. Because God said so.

Lol. Just give us the verses na.
Whole of genesis bi ti bawo.

Tobedated:
Why didn't Jesus mention any of that and he said he is preparing a place so they can be with him or is that not from the bible

The 144000 in the book of revelations are the people he said he would prepare a place for.

Let's discuss Jesus's prayer in Matthew 6
"Let your kingdom come", "let your will be done on earth", what do you think Jesus was praying bout here?

At Isaiah 9:6, what's the government that will be on Jesus's shoulder?

Daniel 2:44
[44]“During the reigns of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed or conquered. It will crush all these kingdoms into nothingness, and it will stand forever.

Is the kingdom of God the same as heaven ? No!
Heaven is the abode of God and it's has been created since the beginning.
In the above verse we see that the kingdom was established at a point in time.

Just like how every Nigerian can't be in aso rock, is the same way every true followers of Christ can't be in the kingdom.

This kingdom under the rulership of Jesus is coming to restore peace to earth.

Sheddy5:
1 yes.
2 yes.

Pls prove with the scriptures that God changed the purpose for creating Man

If you believe Adam would be here if he hadn't sin, what makes you think that humans will live heaven?

Sheddy5:
alright, make sure you read the bible properly.

Can you show me where the Bible says all the righteous people will live in heaven?

Sheddy5:
Yes.

Pls could you answer the two questions?
Which one did you answer "yes" to?

Sheddy5:
are you a christian?

Of course I am! And I believe only what the Bible teaches not what a pastor or my parents told me

InTheCloudySky:
No, I'm looking forward to it. I remember the first time I saw mountains, I was in awe. They had snow on it - the scenery was sooo beautiful I didn't want to leave. Imagine how much more beautiful something like that would be in heaven.

Did GOD ever said he changed his purpose for creating man?
Like God created the first Man to live forever in the garden and he hadn't sinned he would be here today right?

Sheddy5:
i answered your question with multiple verses because you did not make your question specific, what else did you want?

Humans are created to live forever on earth.
I've never been in the intelligence o.

Misinformed church goers full here.

The first man was initially created to live forever on earth with physical body.
If Adam hadn't sinmed, he would be here with us today.

Only few people (little flock) are/will be with Jesus in God's Kingdom. The little flock are the 144000 mentioned in the book of revelations.
They will be kings and priests ruling together with Jesus who will be their king.

The rest of the righteous will remain on earth or die and remain in their grave till resurrection.

Jesus will bring the kingdom in his second coming and fulfill God's will for earth.

At the end, after Satan and his followers have been eternally destroyed, God will make his home with the righteous that remain right here on earth (new earth, paradise).

Revelation 21:2-4
[2]And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.
[4]He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”

MindHacker9009:
And how do you know all the authors were inspired by GOD.

From the Bible!

MindHacker9009:
And how did you know this?

From the Bible!

MindHacker9009:
So GOD was the one that wrote the Bible with HIS own hands?

No. But the authors of the Bible were inspired by GOD

MindHacker9009:
Where have you been all this time that I have been posting about what you are asking. Check my other posts so that you don't derail this thread.

No be only derail na detrained.
I they ask important question you tell me nonsense.
You believe Jesus was made up right?
So what's your religion now? Judaism?

Did Jesus mentioned 70 CE?

MindHacker9009:
All the videos on youtube are not by youtubers you need to get that right. There are official historial and educational videos on youtube too.

At least na person put am there no be God.
Where did they get those historical facts from?
How are we sure their information is authentic?

MindHacker9009:
The time Jesus said He would come back has come and gone in 70 CE for those still waiting for the 2nd coming of their made up character about 2000 years ago.

Jesus never told us the time he's coming back. He said only the one true GOD in heaven knows.
Where did you get your 70 CE from and which God do you believe in or what's your religion?

MindHacker9009:
You're the one insane for not wanting to find out any historical information outside of what you've been taught in the Bible, if not you'll ask yourself if there are no documentary evidence to show that the Europeans did occupy where you now call Nigeria from around the 1800s.

How did the youtuber got the historical fact?

Was he there when Jesus walked on this earth?

MindHacker9009:
Now we are in the super free information age, but so many believers are too scared to look up
any historical information with documentary evidence that proves some of the beliefs they have been taught wrong.I was in this situation for decades as all my parents taught me was Jesus 2nd coming but since I watched a video on youtube with documentary evidence of Roman occupation of Israel during the time of the made up character of Jesus, since then I have been set free from believing in this  FAKE 2nd cumming that has already come and gone in 70 CE.

Believers time to start using the brain GOD has given you and not the one Satan has manipulated.

If Jesus was made up character, certainly he had never existed.
I don't know what you meant by he's already come and gone in 70 CE

Which God are you referring to now?

erenax:
Religious Experts, Come and clear some air on this

Jehovah God never said he will punish anyone in hell or allow Satan the devil to torment people.

"The wages of sin is death" not any possiblity of suffering after death.

Revelation 20:13-14
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Lake of fire here symbolises eternal destruction i.e both death and hell will be destroyed, they cease to exist.
Note that hell simply means the grave or realm of the dead. It's an imaginary place, it doesn't exist.

2) Jesus is God, part of the one true God, unlike any other person ever sent

This your number 2 get k leg. That's your personal conclusion

Mine is, Jesus is Divine but not part of the Godhead.
God na o e complete singular being, no attachment.

Mohammed na forger!

PoliteActivist:
Nice chatting with y'all.
As a recap, here are our conclusions

1) God exists (too many circumstantial evidence)

3) Muhammad did receive a revelation. He was too illiterate to have made up anything close to the Koran and Islamic practices

Y'all stay blessed

So all the scriptural quotations I gave u are not scriptures. See another one below. The Bible does say I am god!

Psalms 82:6-7
[6]I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
[7]But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Did God direct these verses to mankind?

Jesus obviously quoted from Psalm 82 and he explained those whom God called gods in john 10:34.

Stop talking like you know more than people who were there. You are only reading the few WORDS that made it into the Bible. You don't know the body language and nuances. You don't know any of the countless other words that never made it into the Bible. They do! They were there!

Mr historian

My Brother you can't have it both ways. There are only
3 choices. PICK ONE:
A) Christ was NOT God
B) Christ is God but a separate God - you have more than one God, contrary to biblical command
C) Christ is part of that one God

If God Almighty could call some certain mens gods, how much more Jesus Christ the His son, the mighty one?

Of courses as you see, there are many Gods in heaven and on earth but Jehovah GOD is the one God for us.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
[5]There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live.

B is definitely the right option cos clearly it's what the Bible teaches.
[quote author=PoliteActivist post=111207865][/quote]

1) Matthew 1:23 :
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”
(which means “God with us”)

How does this prove that God is more than one person?

2) John 10:33-34
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
(This is a claim you say he never made. You know better than people who were there!)

Jesus made the claim that Jehovah is his direct Father. He never claimed to be the God of the Jews, Yahweh.
The Jews didn't understand that Jesus had a preexistence and he's divine and thought that he was mere man like them.
So Jesus claiming to be son of GOD (not God the Father Himself) is something they couldn't take in. They reason that if he's God's son, definitely he is a God himself.


John 10:34-36
[34]Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’

[35]And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’
[36]why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.

(So you see, I'm not hyping myself. It's in both new and old testaments)

I the KJV Bible English is twisting your big head with small brain pls change to other version with simpler English.

So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’

God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’

Your not a God, stop deceiving yourself.
I have all these figured out a couple years ago.

Your still baby in god's word, you'll still learn.

3) "I AM", the way Christ said it, translates Yaweh, regarded so sacred that Jews didn't utter it. See below

Yeah that's right.
The godly "I AM" would not doubt have the same Hebrew word with general "I am" (I'm) used in any Hebrew sentence.
Just like your proved yesterday. When Jesus said "I am the light of the world", Yahweh featured again. But a sane and smart person will know that Jesus was not claiming the god's name "I AM" in the above sentence but rather telling his listener that he's the light of the word.

Also Jesus couldn't be explaining something about his existence to his listeners and just jumped to say Yahweh. It doesn't make any sense it's incoherent.
I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM (Yahweh)

If he was claiming God's name he would just say "I am the I AM".
Use your head this thing no hard na.

4) You asked that I explain the incomplete statement. The statement is not incomplete. Yaweh means I AM. so sacred Jews didn't utter it

Pls learn from the above

5) Fullness of God: example: a piece of bread has fullness of bread

Which verses in the Bible says Jesus had the fullness of GOD?

Now stop making baseless arguments and find something to do with your life

Sorry I can feel your frustration. I have been backing my point with scriptures unlike that depends on people's opinions on Google.
Thanks for the advice though

PoliteActivist:
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law
"I have said you are “gods”

"Bfore Abraham was born, Yaweh"

Can you explain what this your incomplete sentence means?

No, he was existing no matter how far back you go. He was existing before there was time. That's what begining of eternity means.

So your now the great scientists that found time abi.

In God's eyes 1000 years is like 1 day to Him.
God has been from eternity to eternity. Our limited brain can't even grasp that. If God didn't create human beings then no humans will be here today.
It's a great privilege that we were created with lots of privileges.

Time started with God, it can't even be measured.
Don't come here and tell me stories.

Jesus was created in god's exact image and characteristics.
There was a time Jesus was not and god made him to be. He had a beginning!

PoliteActivist:
Everybody around understood perfectly well that's exactly what He was saying: the great I AM. Which they regarded so sacred they didn't even pronounce it. But not only did He pronounce it, He pronounced it in reference to Himself:

Lol see confused and a-dont-want-to-learn fellow.

In the New testament written in Greek, "God" (capitalized) and "god" have different word abi?

Ògbéni we are all not gods o. No de hype yourself.

So you don't know it was people like me and that you brought capitalization into the Bible?

World English Bible
Yahweh said to Moses, "Behold, I have made you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

Jehovah is the one true god
Did not adding capitalization to God change the meaning of the word GOD?

Okay what's the difference between god, God and GOD?

PoliteActivist:
Semantics havr you confused . There is only one God (capital letters). That's the God we are discussing. Otherwise we are all gods, as the Bible says. But there is only ONE God in Christianity (of course). Not one and a half (Yaweh and Christ!) Lol

No he is part of God sent to Earrth. If Mohammed were part of God - it'd mean he had the fullness of God and had always been with God and would go back to God after his mission

Stop comparing Jesus with Mohammed. Mohammed was like any other human being.
Jesus had a preexistence before coming to the world. He's not part of God and he will always be distinct from Yahweh.

No where in the Bible says Jesus is part of God.
God is a whole being that can function in His own.

We don't believe in Jesus as part of God or as God himself before we get saved.
He's the Messiah sent by GOD.

When he was in hell for three days, God was still God.

At the end Jesus will be subjected to God the Father.

What does fullness of God mean?

PoliteActivist:
No, you don't use God's name that they considered too sacred to say. You say: :"Before Abraham I WAS" and NOT "Before Abraham, Yaweh"!