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PoliteActivist:
Nope. See below

He didn't use the grammatically correct I WAS for a reason, and everybody there understood that. I wasn't there so I have to rely on what they and theologians down the centuries have known he meant.

He was begotten, NOT created. Meaning He was always part of God. "A part of God sent to earth" if you will

PoliteActivist:
Meaning JW is polytheist

PoliteActivist:
You were not there. People don't say such things in isolation. There were a lifetime of words and events that preceded that statement. People who experienced all that, immediately KNEW what he meant.

Nope. Lord Jesus was there at the beginning of infinity, before there was time. He is, and has always been, part of God, NOT created.

PoliteActivist:
Meaning JW is polytheist

PoliteActivist:
Here's the conlusion: PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE believed in Lord Jesus divinity. You can't come 2000 years later, based on the few words that made it down to you via the Bible, know better than them!

PoliteActivist:
So now you see why Jesus saying I AM instead of I WAS left no doubt what he meant.
St John is grammatically correct: "We had a baby in 1981, it was a boy" is grammatically correct, doesn't mean he's no longer a boy!

We only have one God in Christianity. Nobody you ever mentioned is part of that ONE God, except one.
Just declare yourself no longer a Christian and practice polytheism on peace!

PoliteActivist:
I refer you to your friend Maxi - he was partially right: the truth of God always wins. Except that he thought God does it by micro-managing. Go and read your history. The "Jesus is NOT God" people were actually winning after Nicene. They gained influence and even the Emperor became one. But of course God intervened and they declined, then disappeared - and God's truth won out as usual. Read your history - don't stop with Constantine and Nicene. "Jesus is God" is actually shocking to the average thinking person - totally unacceptable. How can this poor carpenter with neither influence nor money nor large following nor high education be God??!! Except, it is the TRUTH!!!

PoliteActivist:
See, this is why you shouldn't take Bible verses in isolation nor give them superficial meanings. Here you are 2000 years later trying to put a spin on what was clear. Do you know how many millions of words must have been exchanged that you know nothing about?
“I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I AM!” is obviously not grammatically correct but the PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE understood what He was saying immediately - because there were words and events that led up to that.
Once again, millions of words were said, only a few made it into the Bible. People who were with Lord Jesus wrote "and the Word was God". You don't come 2000 years later and, based on the few words that made it into the Bible, know better than them!

If it is not written explicitly in the Qur'an

at least it is explained in details in the hadiths.

The Muslims are to follow Allah (Qur'an) and the Sunnah of the Prophet (Hadiths).

Was Ismail and his mother pagans? They are the ancestors of Muhammad. Which pagans practice did Muhammad preserve?

The Jehovah witness was started in 1872. Seems Jehovah had no plan for his follows after he died till 1872

AntiChristian:
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mhmsadyq:
Obsession!
The Op only reference Muslims dedication to Allah or Islam and not whether it is wrong or right.

Just tell him how dedicated are JWs to their Jehovah.

Obsession is a killer disease!

Jesus never contradicted Himself rather you're the one in confusion.

If Flesh and Blood can't enter the kingdom of heaven, how come the same kingdom will come to restore peace on earth where FLESH AND BLOOD will live?

It's evident you don't know what that verse is talking about.

The same Jesus that his body can't be found according to Jws

So, the rest of the righteous ones that will live forever on earth UNDER KINGDOM OF HEAVEN will be what

a) Spirit beings
b) Flesh and blood

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That means Flesh and blood will surely enter God's Kingdom

You asked for a Bible verse where Jesus was said to be equal with God, I provided that, you couldn't counter them verse but jumping from pillar to post

Is Jesus everything he's naturally or God made him to be so?
Where did he get the authority he has?
Who gave him his great name?
Can the son be greater than the Father?
Who appointed him to be the Messiah?
If Jesus didn't humble himself and claimed equality then he wouldn't be where he's today.
But the perfect Jesus humbled himself because he aware everything he got today was from the Father cheesy
Jesus will never misbehave like Satan the devil did or any other imperfect humans.

Simply because you never know much about their doctrines.

That's the the teaching of your beloved organization, it choke you

Let's go gradually then.

Emusan:

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PoliteActivist:
Can't you see you can't say "a God" and at same time claim to be a Christian. You are more like the Hindus or ancient Greeks.
A basic tenet of Christianity is MONOTHEISM!
WE only have one God "of different persons". It can't really be explained in human terms, just know that Lord Jesus is part of the one true God
Can't you see the only way what you're saying

PoliteActivist:
Don't be confused. Moses directly asked God His name. He only said one name, I AM, which Lord Jesus also used to refer to Himself.
His personal name is certainly NOT Jehovah!

I already did. See it again below. Even JW doctored Bible acknowledges He was there at the beginning.

That, my friend, makes him God!

The same one God that said "Let us" (In the original Hebrew God is always plural)

vickybby:
Great friends, still happy a "xian,wishing to use this medium to correct some anomalies in our midst. Some years back,was in north,really observe the muslims faithful and how spiritual dedicated they to their Allah. Most muslims faithful observe five times prayers[Salat] everyday but their most important prayer week is [ALJUMAH],an agreed day of worship[Fridays] During this minutes of spiritual connection wt their Allah,are highly dedicated without any kind of disruption. But can this be said of the "xains ,who are busy wt their phones,browsing even while the sermor is on, on a dedicated hour and day of the LORD! My questions: How many muslims browse wt their phones during prayers? Do they even answer calls no matter whether it is from the President. Isnt it time for the entire christaindom to redicate their HEARTS more to GOD during the hours of worship? To be more committed and dedicated to God is the right worship and not bodily present, spiritually absence!!!. Reconsider your ways.

PoliteActivist:
Can't you see? You just gave Lord Jesus the characteristics of God!
Ok, let's do it this way. Reconcile the following two statements:
1) Jesus Christ is God (according to the attributes you gave him)
2) There can only be one God

In reconciling those two statements you'd see why JW are wrong.

See names of God below. He even went as far as using I AM!

BornofGod108:
HOLINESS REVIVAL MOVEMENT WORLDWIDE (H OREMOW)

Daily Devotional by Pastor Paul Rika International Director

DATE: FRIDAY 18TH MARCH

TOPIC: EVANGELISM, GOD’S UNBAISED WAY FOR SALVATION

TEXT: 2 TIMOTHY 4: 2, 3

Key verse: John 12: 32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."


Most of the gospel activities going on in our days are not Christianity. If what is going on in Pentecostal and Orthodox denominations is Christianity, then the Catholic's Hail Mary is Christianity too.
This knowledge that Christianity is lost is what gives me focus on evangelism work in churches and the global world. It is the responsibility of every believer to lift Jesus up everywhere as reflected in our key verse today.
Jesus is happy that you have resolved to lift Him up so He can draw all men to Himself. Have in mind as a believer that the paramount Person you are bringing the souls to, is Christ and not your denominational church. Many are in denominational churches that are not in Christ.
We need to possess the following qualities to be effective in evangelism:
Personal salvation: Matthew 7: 3 – 5; Sin is a beam in the eye of people. Jesus is the one that specializes in removing such beams so they could see. To tell them about the mote in their eyes; Jesus is asking if you have removed the beam in your eyes.
You are busy directing many to be saved from sin, what about you? Thou hypocrite, cast out the beam in your eyes. Your own is bigger because you know you are a sinner but you are also claiming righteousness.
Get salvation of your soul first. Compassion for sinners; Begin to think about their ends how none of these precious souls like you will lose heaven. Precious; yet misdirected.
See the Catholics who got closed to Christianity but their focus is not on Jesus but Mary. Catholics as we know them today are not in Christianity, they are on the way to destruction in their multitudes. Muslims are hardened and fortified against the gospel of Christ.
Prayer; Pray for people and for ideas on how to reach them. See your fellow human beings that are ready to persecute your love and compassion to reach them for Christ; they have not understood the implication of their sins.
They don't know that you are making efforts to save them. The dog has fallen into a trap and in excruciating pain; you are making effort to deliver it yet, it sees you as an enemy. The situation is filthy; you need to pray to God for wisdom to affect them.
Thought for today: You are saved to evangelize
Song for the day: Have you heard the joyful news……………………….
Bible reading for the day: Deuteronomy 31-32; Luke 1:1-23

achorladey:
The byes no dey finish and just like your brother in Jehovah up there

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He will hide under I don't understand his post now or that he was only making an assumption on my behalf

Tobedated:
Most people on this thread are mumu look at how each are defending their gods as if its a baby who can't protect himself damn and their called him god a god that can't prove himself is that one god

achorladey:


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How many times will your Jesus come?

But we are monotheistic. That's the most basic fundamental of the Christian faith - WE ONLY HAVE ONE GOD! Not one and a half, not five. ONE!

You are a human being, incapable of understanding the full nature of that one God,

and here you are, arguing that God has only one manifestation! Likely that that one God can "manifest" as anyone or anything,

we really don't know His full nature.

Lord Jesus is a "manifestation" of that one God, with the fullness of God, without being God the father

If you keep an open mind you'll realize that Lorrd Jesus can't be anything but a "manifestation" of God

MaxInDHouse:
He doesn't want to be guided that's why he's attacking the Bible itself, but the funny thing about him is how he wants to prove something is wrong yet the only book to back it up he stylishly condemned!

PoliteActivist:
See below.
Can't you see you just defined Lord Jesus as God.
What confuses you, what you can't wrap your mind around, is that GOD CAN SEND GOD!

tatatar:
As a Jew,Jesus's views on divorce contradicts God's divine law and teaching of Moses.
So Jesus wasn't sent from the God of earlier prophet as he claimed. He's a false prophet!

AntiChristian:
Yes, He did.

But your claim that the Prophet saw her face and was attracted was a liar!

PoliteActivist:
You are the one who asked: "Where's the spiritual, have you been there?". I was trying to explain to you what it is.

But of course non of that makes any sense from human/scientific perspective - the same way Lord Jesus being part of the one true God makes no sense. How can someone we saw born like everyone else and saw grow up be sent from anywhere. If they were sent they should have arrived here as adult or at least be already reasoning as an adult immediately after birth!

AntiChristian:
Check your reference na! Does it look like the Qur'an or hadith?

PoliteActivist:
All those people that said they were sent, where do you think they were sent from - that's the spiritual. In our human reasoning, we know when they were born and know them growing up - how can they be sent?? In our human reasoning it makes absolutely no sense. That's also how we are incapable of understanding how Christ can be a person yet part of the one true God - which is why the Bible says He has the fullness of God. Which is why John TB, a great prophet, was not fit to tie His shoes. Of course all this is crude approximation as there are no human equivalent to these things. But basically, crudely speaking, there's only one God, and Lord Jesus is part of that one God, and all other prophets and persons are not, no matter how great!

AntiChristian:
No! Any claim you bring from story Book will be rejected. Did you even study referencing at all?