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Emusan:
The man Jesus Christ!



But the confusion is all over you



You still don't get it,

Jesus was not with God but "The Word" is

We know He is a complete BEING before became flesh.



Waoooo I love this, that means the person in heaven still exist why in the womb

Don't let your organization disfellowsip you for that statement



And you still call them HUMAN



That means people on earth will still enter the kingdom, true or false?



You already said above that HUMAN



Yet in the same kingdom where flesh and blood can't inherit

When I said you don't understand that verse the other time you think I don't know what I was saying.



Yet I've been giving you and your brothers Bible study on this forum.



Only if you understand yourself and the verse you're quoting.



In other word, God will dwell with flesh and blood. So why did you say flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of heaven the other day?



Just search your mind you'll realize that you're enjoying the Bible study. No shame in that!

MaxinDhouse have you met and argue with a mad man before?

Workch:
I don't understand the bibg bang so I don't believe it yet.

So can you present testable evidence for your God?

Well I'm surprised cos flying spaghetti monster athiest believe that's how the creation happened.
So how do you think world came to be?

Workch:
No one but flying spaghetti monster, the creator of the Christian God

Our GOD is not a monster or demon.
We don't know no flying spaghetti monster.

You need to bring evidence that your FSM created anything talkless of ours God, the source of all life.

MaxInDHouse:
I have a feeling that the OP is secretly reading our publications because only those that read our publications can think this deep.
This question is uncommon among Churchgoers!

To be honest, I wanted to ask him if he's studying with the JWs, because the JW man from New Zealand opened my eyes to that when I was trying to defend the doctrine of immortal soul

I no dé use JWs play o.
Everything is well figured out.

NigerianAngelo:
Cause Christ is GOD.

Praises:
Heb 1:8: "But to the Son: Thy throne O God is forever and ever."

Everything the son has is from the Father, name, authority, kingdom etc do you think the son is equal to the Father in any way?

NNTR:
You will find out what the Bible says, if as you've been advised to, you stick to constraints of the questions you are asked and not be giving unsolicited info that's not part of the questions you are being asked

Get it straight that the moment you first mentioned and quoted me, means, you are in for, to be asked whatever the info above are

We'll soon find out how far true is your claim, that when it comes to GOD matter, you believe only what the Bible says.

Watch this space, for the blow by blow review of your 1 - 11 replies

You won't be the only one asking the questions
This is even my thread

tctrills:
But consuming alcohol on a moderate level is not harmful and not a sin.
Sir, you are wrong and I would give you reasons why.
1. What is your definition of moderation? How much alcohol is too much. No doctor or scientist has ever defined what moderate alcohol means.
2. Alcohol's effect is long-term so even if you drink little, it has a cumulative effect.
3. As you said, people are different and a little alcohol can cause health problems for some people; the danger is, no one knows the amount of alcohol that can cause harm to themselves. There is no instrument for measuring. So each time you take alcohol, you put your body is an unnecessary risk.
4. The health problems from alcohol have little to do with drunkenness.

If that's it, then everyone should quit drinking.

You don't need to drink 5 bottles na like unwise people do today.

You do have to drink it everyday as well.

Doctors themselves drink alcohol.

A cup won't stress the kidney or liver.

tctrills:
If I asked, is drinking sniper a sin or taking poison a sin, you probably would have said yes. Alcohol is poison to the liver and kidneys but unlike sniper, it works over a period of time. It does not destroy only the livers and kidneys of those who get drunk rather it poisons after a prolonged period of use.
So if we are allowed to destroy our bodies then alcohol isn't a sin but if we would give an account of what we did with our bodies, then poisoning the liver is a sin.
On the other hand, Alcoholism is a state where the body depends on alcohol in other to function normally. It's a medical state with a medical and professional solution. Alcoholism is not caused by drunkenness rather, it leads to drunkenness.

What's the cause of the disease, alcoholism?

tctrills:
We are making the same point. You now explained that it's doctors that heal alcoholism. that makes it a disease and no longer a sin. Doctors don't cure sin.
I am not comparing God to doctors. Medical knowledge also comes from God

Drunkenness is a sin.
I never said only doctor heals alcoholism.

A lot of alcoholics among JWs have been helped to quit alcohol consumption by their brothers and sisters with God's word. All thanks to Jehovah!

My conclusion is if every alcoholic drinks to stupor, get drunk, thus alcoholism is both a sin (biblical) and a disease (medical).

tctrills:
If I asked, is drinking sniper a sin or taking poison a sin, you probably would have said yes. Alcohol is poison to the liver and kidneys but unlike sniper, it works over a period of time. It does not destroy only the livers and kidneys of those who get drunk rather it poisons after a prolonged period of use.
So if we are allowed to destroy our bodies then alcohol isn't a sin but if we would give an account of what we did with our bodies, then poisoning the liver is a sin.
On the other hand, Alcoholism is a state where the body depends on alcohol in other to function normally. It's a medical state with a medical and professional solution. Alcoholism is not caused by drunkenness rather, it leads to drunkenness.

Anything we do that is harmful to us is a sin.
But consuming alcohol on a moderate level is not harmful and not a sin.
People are different from each other. Just a little intake of alcohol could cause some people health problems. It's better for them to stop.

I don't drink myself. I occasionally drink palmwine though because I like the taste.

tctrills:
Yes Jesus also cured many diseases. Curing disease via spiritual means is not new. Yet must people still depend on medical cure so if your pastor can cure alcoholism, good for him. It does not stop the great work doctors are doing.

They are trying.
There are doctors and scientists among the JWs (Jehovah witnesses and they don't have pastors). JWs takes medications.

So what's your point gangan?
Are you comparing God's power to doctors limited ability?
Abi doctors can raise a patient that died because of their incapability back to life?

NNTR:
I would soon review all your 1- 11 replies, but note for next time, please dont give me unsolicited info. If I need explanations, I will stress where and when I require it.
Example: Can your words becomes flesh?
Answers: Yes, it can or No, it can't

For your info, the bible doesnt teach you anything about the law of gravity, yet you believe the law.

When it comes to GOD matter, I believe only what the Bible says.

I didn't ask you for that info above. It's unsolicited.

Tobedated:
As far as i know all heaven offer is
1 eternal life
2 peace
3 playing with wild animals
4 and praising god forever but what heaven takes away because of this should be scary
1 eternity - but doing what, have you ever stay home doing nothing before with no technology in heaven isn't that torture like can you imagine how your mental health will go in the drain from having nothing to do at least on earth you can kill yourself but don't forget eternal life damn.

2 peace is a good offer but once again at what cost remember in heaven there is no such thing as family as jesus explain with the women with multiple husband, all that makes life worth it is the friends and family one makes along the way all that gone because of peace that have no meaning because all you doing is one thing is it worth it also don't forget your friends from another religion all in hell

3 who the Bleep want that like that just stupid

4 can't that be done on earth where things are more fun than being an object showering god praise

Oga no playing with wild animals in heaven

tctrills:
What are you saying, how can you stop what you can't control?
Is there some kind of surgery and drugs to treat and cure alcoholism?
the treatment is not surgical. There are detox and other methods to stop alcohol dependence. There are medications for withdrawal. You can check that up.
If alcoholism is treatable, can other sins be cured by modern medicine?

Do you know that medications for withdrawal could lead to another addiction?

Drunkenness is a sin. If alcoholics are drunkards, they are sinning too.

A guy couldn't drive a car, he entered the car, started the engine and later had an accident. Who's to be blamed?
If he couldn't drive the car, why did he enter it in the first place?

If you can't control your drinking, stop drinking altogether and if you can't stop by yourself, seek help.


A lot of alcoholics among JWs have been helped to quit alcohol consumption by their brothers and sisters. All thanks to Jehovah!

May you have peace!

9. Can your words becomes flesh?

If the Bible really teaches that it was God literal words that became flesh, I won't doubt it.
Of course it can't. I don't have any power.

Wake up from your delusion. Jesus was a whole distinct being before he became flesh.

10. Can you project yourself out of your body to extend and then exist simultaneously outside your body

I can't

11. Can you beget yourself?

I can't

Questions 1 and 2 are not the same question, so please reply appropriately, saying, if its you or its not you

Those are my words and it's what the Bible implies.

After receiving your replies to 2, 9-11, I'll review all 1- 11 answers in one go and altogether

Ok

NNTR:
The rest of the few simple questions for you please to reply back to in exact numbered up style:

Jesus was not in the beginning with God but "The Word" was

Lol who did John refers to as the "word"?

I've set another confusion for you.

You can only confuse yourself

Here are my questions again!
1. Was THE LIFE a whole being/person of the Son
2. If it's just LIFE, what happened to the spiritual body where the LIFE was taken?

1. The Bible explains that Jesus was with God before the foundation of the world. He resided in heaven as a whole complete being before he became flesh.

It's not hard. God miraculously transferred him {his whole being, person} into Mary's womb. He completely left heaven.

Your initial point was that Flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of heaven, then I went further to show you that if your understanding of that verse means HUMAN won't be in heaven because they are flesh and blood, then NO HUMAN WILL BE on EARTH either because the same kingdom of heaven will extend to earth.

Humans will be in God's Kingdom but in a spirit body (not with as physical man, flesh and blood).
The kingdom will come to earth (earth is different from heaven Mr spoon feeder) to rule and judge the earth. I don't know the body the people (kings) in the kingdom and Jesus their KING will have, it's not explicitly stated in the Bible but the people on earth they will rule and judge are humans with flesh and blood.

In a nutshell, since Kingdom of heaven will be both in heaven and earth then no flesh and blood will enter it.

You don't even understand the Bible and JWs articles.
The kingdom was established for a reason. Daniel 2:44. After it has accomplished its purpose, Jesus will hand over everything to God {the kingdom, his authority..}so that God can rule over ALL. Jesus will be subjected to Him.
God Himself will live with the righteous on earth (new earth paradise). Revelation 21;1-5 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

Do you get it or I should spoonfeed you further?

I did got your foolishness and I would like you not to spoonfeed me with it in the future
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1

. Whose word is this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote? Is it yours or it isnt yours?

It's mine but that's what the Bible implies.

2. Would you say this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote, is you or its not you?

Same as question1

3. At one point in the passage of time, was Jesus, specifically, created?

I don't know specifically when he was created. But it was before the creation of the universe.

4. Is Jesus, God Incarnate or not God Incarnate?

Jesus is not God incarnate. God created him in his own exact image and has been with God from the beginning.

5. What to your understanding does God Incarnate mean?

God didn't become flesh.
Jesus a distinct being from God, God's only begotten son who had been with God before the foundation of the world became flesh.

6. What's the implication of the phrase 'God Incarnate'? What truth about God is it indicating?

It's a false doctrine. You can't see anything like that in a rightly translated version of the Bible.

7. When did the Word become Jesus?

Did you want to say when the word (Jesus) became flesh?

8. What came first between the Word and Jesus?

John use the "word" as a title for Jesus.

Jesus was a whole complete being before he incarnate. He wasn't a literal word in God's mouth.
So I wouldn't say there's a distinction between Jesus and the title used for him.

NNTR:
Few simple questions for you please to reply back to in exact numbered up style:

tctrills:
You just deflated your own words. You claim if you cannot control your drinking, you better stop. How can you stop what you cannot control?
Actually, Alcoholism is treated by professionals. Millions are treated yearly. It is a medical condition with known medical solutions. Sin does not have medical solutions. You cant treat lies or wickedness in a hospital.

It's straightforward. If you chose to drink but you can't control your drinking, you should stop before you become dependent and addicted to alcohol.

Drunkenness is a sin. If you were not an alcoholic, but you maybe one day drank too much and became drunk, it's a sin. Control your drinking and if you couldn't, stop drinking before it becomes addiction.

If alcoholics drink and don't drink to stupor, then it's not a sin but I don't think that's possible because every alcoholic I know get drunk.

Is there some kind of surgery and drugs to treat and cure alcoholism?

A lot of alcoholics among JWs have been helped to quit alcohol consumption by their brothers and sisters. All thanks to Jehovah!

tctrills:
How come it's a sin that is treated by medical experts, mental experts, and therapy? We learn that we can only overcome sin through Christ.

If you can't control your drinking, it's better to stop drinking all together.
Jesus won't come down to overcome your sins for you.
What a true Christian should do is seek the help and advice of other Christian brothers if he's unable to stop.

The Bible is a guide for us.

There's no drug to treat alcoholism. It's not a disease, it's a bad habit! It's a sin!

tctrills:
What's your contribution sir?

Alcoholism is clearly a sin so as binge drinking.
The Bible support moderate intake of alcohol.

tctrills:
I don't understand

Lol you can't understand

badboyTee:
I guess everyone would have heard about the female corp member before ?

So my thoughts are since she knows all the rules and regulations of the NYSC then why bothering wearing skirts to disobey all in the name of religion!!!

Like that very sickening. Even if she opt for skirt she won't feel comfortable in it with all the trainings she would go theough and man o war drills.when it not like she would die if she puts on trousers or does she thinks others females who are wearing trousers are going to imaginary hell set in her head....

I hope she doesn't find herself to blame when she later discovers that RELIGION IS SCAM

I see skirt as more revealing than trousers.

The fact is the same way a girl could wear skirt and sin, is the same way she could wear trousers and sin.

All God wants is moderacy.

God never described the type of clothing male and female should wear.
Jesus in his time wore something like man robe and skirt.
Only a misinformed churchgoer would think girls wearing trousers are sinning.

Hell is no doubt imaginary not real, doesn't exist. The Bible doesn't support the theory of hell. Religion invented it.

Eternal life right here on earth is real!

Pastorprenuers!

tctrills:
Many Christians are against drinking, others say drink but don't get drunk. But then, there are does that can't control their drinking. Is it a sin to be an alcoholic or is it a medical problem? Should we be preaching to alcoholics or getting them medical or mental help?

You run comot

adeoyekay:
Ask your question about that verse cus I didn't understand you very well

Comma is a punctuation mark which is used to make reading easier and be understandable. The comma is used to separate some words in that verse.

Okay what's the meaning of the verse:

"Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." ~NIV

Have in mind that, 1. Jesus was in the grave for three days after that day 2. Paradise ain't same as heaven.

Philippians 2:6
'5The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had:
6He always had the nature of God,
but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.
7Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant.
He became like a human beingand appeared in human likeness.'

Jesus was created/begotten by GOD. He's the only begotten son of God.

Colossians 1:15
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
    He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

Jesus existed at a point in time, he has a beginning. And was created in his Father's exact image.

Everything he has was given to him by his Father. The name, authority, kingship, God's nature etc..
Jesus remained humble and will remain humble till he hand over everything back to God at the end. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

John 1:1-5, 10-11
'1In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (i.e. Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.
4In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]
10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him--His world, His creation, His possession], and those who were His own [people--the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.'

Of course Jesus is a God/god but not definitely the the same God/god John 1:1 says he was with in the beginning.
Jesus himself said the Father is the one true God John 17:3. Paul confirmed it at 1 Corinthians 8:5&6

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
[5]There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live.

Of course, God is all by Himself. He's the source of all life. Amen to that

God created everything through his only begotten son Jesus Christ. Jesus was created first. So God is the source of all life and Father of all.

Two simple questions for you please:

1. Whose word is this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote? Is it you or it isnt you?
2. At one point in the passage of time, was Jesus created.?

1. God begot Jesus and Jesus created everything else for his Father.
Creation happened through Jesus but for God the Father.

2. Jesus had a beginning. He was created in the image of his Father. The Father is the original while the son is the copied image.
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AntiChristian:
JW? Jesus was an Angel?

No hell? 144,000? Etc.

So?

Sheddy5:
you called yourself christian and you're insulting me, this really prove what jws act like.

May you have peace!

Workch:
I'm sounding like a robot because I need evidence, I Just one testable evidence for your God and I won't ask again

Present a testable evidence that the big bang theory really happened?

Workch:
I have a feeling that flying spaghetti monster created yahweh

Who cares about your feelings?

Sheddy5:
seun
mynd44
Dominique
lalasticlala
rule 2 violated.

Well you haven't presented the verses that say God has changed His intention for the earth and that Jesus will judge at the gate of heaven close to hellfire.

That's not an insult bobo. You have been displaying you foolishness here na.
You can't even support any of your claims here with the scriptures.

lol grin this prove how you simply lack comprehension, your jv pastor has probably brain wash you...

Is this not provoking and an insult?