The Koran gave two conflicting advices on how to treat our parents. It says we should show kindness and it's also says we shouldn't.
Father own de different?
AntiChristian: How to react to a Non-muslim Mother for example
Praise be to Allah.
The reactions of non-muslim mothers towards their children's embracement of Islam varies. Some mothers are peaceful and passive considering this as a personal matter which does not affect the relationship between the mother and her son or daughter. In such cases more piety by the child towards his or her mother will make the mother admire and respect Islam.
Other mothers adopts a more stubborn approach at the beginning but the mother finally gives in and accepts the new religion as a fact of life after she sees the child's determination and persistence which could lead the mother herself to embrace Islam.
In the third case we find that some mothers are constantly stubborn to the extent that she might hurt and oppress her son or daughter. Usually such mothers are blindly prejudice because they consider that her son or daughter had gone astray by leaving the faith of his fathers and ancestors and she must do something to help go back to the right path (according to the mother).
The following are three stories that took place at the time of the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, that involved three of the Sahaba (Companions of the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) which illustrates the reactions of their mothers after they embraced Islam:
Story #1 On the authority of Asmaa' Bint Abi Bakr she said "My mother came to visit me one day. At that time she was still a polytheist and there was a pledge between the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, and Quraish (one of the great tribes in Arabia that lived in Mecca in the pre Islamic Period of Ignorance who used to enjoy great spiritual and financial powers). I requested the Prophet's, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, religious verdict and said: Oh Prophet of Allah, my mother came to visit me, seeking my help; should I keep a good relationship with her? Yes, keep a good relation with her said the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him:. Reported by Bukhari and Muslim, and this narration is listed in Sahih Muslim under # 1003.
In another version narrated by Ahmad, on the authority of Asmaa' Bint Abi Bakr she said " My mother came to visit me when she was still a polytheist and she was living amongst Quraish. She was desirous, meaning in need, so I asked the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, and said: Oh Prophet of Allah my mother came to me and she is a polytheist and she needs help. Should I keep a good relationship with her? He said yes maintain a good relationship with her.
Story #2 [b]On the authority of Abu-Huraira, who said: I used to call my mother to Islam when she was still a polytheist. One day, while I was calling her she mentioned something about the Prophet , Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, that I detested. So I went to see the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, while crying and told him: I used to call my mother to Islam and she would refuse. I called her today and she mentioned something about you that I detested. Please invoke the blessings and guidance of Allah on her. Then the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, said: O Great Allah guide the mother of Abu-Huraira. So I left full of hope because of the Prophet's supplication for my mother. When I reached home I found that the door was partially closed. My mother heard my footsteps and said: Stay still Abu-Huraira, then I heard the water running; he added my mother performed body ablution, put on her cloths and hurriedly opened the door without her head-cover and said: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, is the Messenger of Allah". I went back to the Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, crying of joy and told him: I am bringing you good news; Allah answered your prayers and guided the mother of Abu-Huraira. The Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, praised and glorified Allah and said: this is good. I said: Oh Messenger of Allah, pray to Allah to make me and my mother beloved by Allah's believing slaves and make us love them. The Prophet, Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, said: Oh Allah, make this little slave of Yours and his mother (meaning Abu-Huraira and his mother) become beloved by your believing slaves and make the believers love them. Ever since, there was not a believer who heard of me, even without seeing me, that did not love me. Reported by Muslim in Sahih Muslim (Muslim Authentic volumes) under # 2491.[/b]
Story # 3 [b]On the authority of Saa'd (Ibn Abi Waqas May Allah be pleased with him) who said that verses of the Qur'an revealed his story. He said Um Saa'd (his mother) swore not to talk to him ever nor eat or drink until he renounces Islam. She said: You claim that Allah commanded you to obey your parents. I am your mother and I order you to do this ( to renounce Islam). He said: She stayed with nothing to eat or drink for three days until she fainted because of strain. Then one of her other sons named Umarah gave her water to drink. And she started to imprecate against Saa'd, then Allah revealed this verse in the Qur'an, which translates to the meaning of And We have enjoined on man to be good and dutiful to his parents; but if they strive to make you join with Me (in worship) anything (as a partner) of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not. Unto Me is your return and I shall tell you what you used to do Verse 29:8 - Surah 29, Al Ankabut. This Hadith is narrated by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad and in Sahih Muslim in his Sahih under # 1748.[/b]
Also, Allah revealed another verse in the Qur'an, which translates to:
"But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that if which you have no knowledge, then obey them not; but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do"( 31:15 - Surah Luqman).
Based on the above stories one can determine how to deal with a non believing mother and can draw the following significant conclusions:
The importance of good presentation of Islam to the non believing mother and to try to kindly persuade her and to strive to convince her as Abu Huraira did (story # 1)
Continue to do good to the non believing mother and to remember that her disbelief does not justify disobedience by the son or daughter and that doing her good does not contradict with your innocence of her as a non believer, on the contrary as it is stated in Verse 31:15 above, Allah has commanded us to treat the non believing parents kindly even if they strive to make their child a polytheist because of their rights as parents hoping that they will embrace Islam. Continue to sincerely pray and supplicate for the non believing mother hoping that Allah may guide her, as evident in Abu Huraira's story (story #2).
The divine guidance of Allah may come after continuous strive by the child and strong objection of the mother as in Abu Huraira's story, therefore the son should never surrender or give up but should continue to pray and supplicate for the non believing mother. Regardless of how hard does the non believing mother strive to make the son renounces Islam, and the pressure she will exercise against her son such as refusing to eat or invoking upon him , the son should never surrender or give in nor should he retrocede away from the righteous path as one of the Sahaba said to his non believing mother in a similar situation: :If you had one hundred (100) souls and it all left your body one after the other I will never give up my religion (Islam)". It seems that the mother in question deliberately oppresses her daughter through estrangement which makes her emotional torn but that should never weaken the Muslim or shake his faith and belief in his religion. There is no objection to make the non believing mother understand that you are not going to retrocede , however she (the mother) can kindly ask for anything and she will be immediately answered to it except for giving up this religion.
Foolish question that doesn't deserve answer. How would you even if they recited it? Jesus was the first person to say the prayer.
Why are they all bowing to God in the same way?
These people weren't even worshipping your god Allah. All these are not criteria for praying. Jesus praying using any position. He knelt down, fell on the ground, looked towards heaven.......
These people are the people you said were inspired to write the Bible. But they were not inspired to worship like this right?
Jehovah gave laws and the position for praying wasn't included. Why do i prostrate to my father everyone morning, because he's Allah? [quote author=AntiChristian post=110466588][/quote]
AntiChristian: Did the Qur'an mention the genecology of Jesus like the Bible? The Qur'an never gave Jesus a father like your Bible. Jesus was called son of Mary in the Qur'an.
Why the diversion again!
Where did the Bible get 2 sets of different ancestors for Jesus?
The problem with you is that you try to place the koran over the BIBLE. You know that's pride right?
Why would Koran mention it? Jesus was a Jew not an Arab. The Koran was supposed to be a revelation from your God, the BIBLE is not entirely like that. It contains real events that happened and was recorded.
The Matthew's genealogy was for Joseph (he practically fathered Jesus from baby to aldult). Sorry that the all glorious koran didn't mention it. While the genealogy of Luke is for Mary mother of Jesus. It's found in Jewish Talmud that Heli was the father of Mary.
Now if i asked you who came first between Noah and Moses, how would you know from the koran? My point is koran ain't complete. You can't everything from it. If the Koran is the guidance for mankind, show me the verse where it explicitly command against homosexuality, lesbianism and bestiality?
Lol when you know that your dishonest modern English translators hid the meaning.
The meaning in Arabic is deceiver.
If you had read the whole of Jeremiah, you wouldn't have brought this up at all. Jeremiah was God's prophet sent to his own people and he was persecuted by them. He wife was killed. A lot happened to him. He would thought that God forsake him. He overcame at the end.
AntiChristian: Bring 5 different translations of Qur'an that gives that interpretation!
Jeremiah's Complaint that Yahweh deceived him You have deceived me, O LORD, and I was deceived. You have overcome me and prevailed. I am a laughingstock all day long; everyone mocks me.Jeremaih 20:7
1.New International Version You deceived me, LORD, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed. I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me.
2.New Living Translation O LORD, you misled me, and I allowed myself to be misled. You are stronger than I am, and you overpowered me. Now I am mocked every day; everyone laughs at me.
3.English Standard Version O LORD, you have deceived me, and I was deceived; you are stronger than I, and you have prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all the day; everyone mocks me.
4.Berean Study Bible You have deceived me, O LORD, and I was deceived. You have overcome me and prevailed. I am a laughingstock all day long; everyone mocks me.
5.King James Bible O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.
Emusan: That my accurate prediction is still giving you severe painment since you know it's more accurate than Russell and his pagan team's failed predictions
If ona like make ona de hit head on stone. Na ona sabi.
You can pray in any position. Jesus would lift his face to the heavens and pray to the Father. There's nothing like that in Moses law and Judaism. Your fake prophet taught you that.
AntiChristian: The best form of Prayer position compiled from the Bible
1. Jesus: Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed Matthew 26:39
2. Abram: "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying...," - Old Testament (Genesis 17:3)
3. Abraham:"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Genesis 17:17)
4. Moses: "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament (Exodus 34:
5. Moses & Aaron:“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Numbers 20:6)
6. Moses & Aaron:"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Numbers 16:20-22)
7. Ezra and his People: And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Nehemiah 8:6)
8. Joshua: "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)
9. A Prophet: "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 9:
10 Jehoshaphat: "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." - Old Testament (2 Chronicles 20:18)
11. A Prophet:"And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 11:13)
Prostration is the best position to communicate with Allah and a true Muslim would prostrate over 34 times daily in Prayer!
AntiChristian: Why cover what is open? The Bible tried twice to prove Jesus was related to David from Joseph by blood in two different genealogy. The Qu'ran doesn't have these. Jesus is the son of Mary. You should see that all these false stories about Lot, Jacob, Judah, Jesus, etc does not exist in the Qu'ran.
Who is Jesus father by blood? Jesus had no father as the Angel came to Mary.
Comot here jàre the Koran says in more that two verses that Allah is the master of deceivers
Why does the Koran contain stuffs written in the Bible?
AntiChristian: Men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:21
Are you sure all these verse are as a result of the Holy spirit?
About Alcohol Alcohol is for the dying, and wine for those in bitter distress. Let them drink to forget their poverty and remember their troubles no more.[/b] Proverbs 31:6-7
Yahweh commands his Prophet to be Nude for 3 years The LORD had already spoken through Isaiah son of Amoz, saying, “Go, remove the sackcloth from your waist and the sandals from your feet.” And Isaiah did so, walking around naked and barefoot. Then the LORD said, “Just as My servant Isaiah has gone naked and barefoot for three years as a sign and omen against Egypt and Cush.Isaiah 20:2-3
How will God punish your descendants? I will punish your descendants and splatter your faces with the manure from your festival sacrifices, and I will throw you on the manure pile.Malachi 2:3
Human dung as Fuel! Prepare and eat this food as you would barley cakes. While all the people are watching, bake it over a fire using dried human dung as fuel and then eat the bread.Ezekiel 4:12
God is Jealous and punishes sins of parents on the Children... You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate meExodus 20:5
Seven times Punishment “’If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. Lev 26:18
Seven times Punishment- Season 2 And if in spite of these things you do not accept My discipline, but continue to walk in hostility toward Me, then I will act with hostility toward you, and I will strike you seven times for your sins.Lev 26:23-24
Seven times Punishment- Season 3 But if in spite of all this you do not obey Me, but continue to walk in hostility toward Me, then I will walk in fury against you, and I, even I, will punish you sevenfold for your sins. You will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters26:27-29
Jeremiah's Complaint that Yahweh deceived him You have deceived me, O LORD, and I was deceived. You have overcome me and prevailed. I am a laughingstock all day long; everyone mocks me.Jeremaih 20:7
MindHacker9000: Then read Matthew below again. Jesus said He would return “Immediately after the distress of those days" and that was the destruction of Judea in 66 AD and the destruction of the Temple 70 AD. But you FAKE Messiah knew He would rise in 3 day and he did in less than 3 days but to come back which cannot be faked He has not shown up for over 2000 year. Are you being paid to continue to SCAM?
Matthew: 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ b
30“ Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. d 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Lol. Those days means the last days. I say again Jesus said he didn't know the hour of the coming of man, only the Father in heaven knows.
MindHacker9000: Then read Matthew below again. Jesus said He would return “Immediately after the distress of those days" and that was the destruction of Judea in 66 AD and the destruction of the Temple 70 AD. But your Jesus knew He would rise in 3 day and he did in less than 3 days but to come back which cannot be faked He has not shown up for over 2000 years. Are you being paid to continue this SCAM?
Matthew: 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ b
30“ Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. d 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ b
When these event happens and Jesus didn't come back then we can be sure that Jesus was lying.
MindHacker9000: Then read Matthew below. Jesus said He would return “Immediately after the distress of those days" and that was the destruction of Judea in 66 AD and the destruction of the Temple 70 AD. But you FAKE Messiah knew He would rise in 3 day and he did in less than 3 days but to come back which cannot be faked He has not shown up for over 2000 year. Are you being paid to continue this SCAM?
Matthew: 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ b
30“ Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. d 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
MindHacker9000: Jesus is a Roman creation and not a Messiah. Your FAKE Messiah that promised to come back immediately after the destruction of Judea and the Temple and for the sake of the elect but has not shown up for over 2000 years now.
The Book of Genesis was allegedly written by Moses as his first Book. However, this is doubtful as Moses could never have written all those Books ascribed to him.
First these book of Genesis you said couldn't have been written by Moses contains the story of creation, Noah and the flood, the history of father Abraham the patriarch and his sons, how they became a great nation in Egypt and how Pharaoh opposed God by not freeing the Israelites to serve their God in the wilderness.
It's clear that Moses wasn't existing when all these above events took place. Moses was born during the time the Israelites were in slavery in Egypt.
Definitely Moses was inspired by God to write all those aforementioned stories. And to you as a Muslim, Allah revealing part of what's written in the book of Genesis to Mohammed is a proof that the book is valid and really inspired.
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b]Incest is sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other.[/b] It is the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild. There are many verses about incest in the Bible especially in the Book of Genesis which God tacitly or directly supported!
Like my father MaxinDhouse asked you, how do you think Adam children got their partners?
Also most of the people you said engaged in the act weren't given laws then. Without law, there's no sin. Get it into your head.
Genesis 19:30-32 This is actually a mistake being ascribed to God. God save them from homosexuallism but they ended up in incest then God blessed them.
You dont even understand the passage, you read with reasoning and understanding. Were the daughters of lot the ones saved from homosexuality? Stop using atheists materials baba. You just copy and paste their works How did you even know that homosexuality, lesbianism and bestiality are sin without the BIBLE? If the Koran is a guidance to mankind, can you show us where it explicitly states that lesbianism, homosexualism and bestiality are sin.
2. Reuben slept with his father's concubine on the roof and Israel his father heard about it and said nothing.
Another lie, you just copy and paste gburugburu without confirming it
Genesis 49:3-4 [3]“Reuben, you are my firstborn, my strength, the child of my vigorous youth. You are first in rank and first in power. [4]But you are as unruly as a flood, and you will be first no longer. For you went to bed with my wife; you defiled my marriage couch.
3. Judah (father of the Jewish race, You know Judea, Judaism, etc.) Sleeps with his daughter in law by the road side She gave birth to twins Pharez and Zarah who were the great grand fathers of Jesus! Genesis 38
Stop adding your own words to the Bible. Tamar disguised as a prostitute and fooled Judah and the latter slept with her. It was also written that Judah never had sex with her again.
The Jews expected the Messiah to be a powerful king that would defeat the Romans. But when Jesus came as an humble man and preached another kingdom and his teachings oppose those of the pharisees, they couldn't accept him.
MindHacker9000: The Jews are smart not to accept Jesus as they know He was a Roman creation. Some of the Old Testament and The 10 commandments are what we needed.
Nobody claimed that Jesus didn't have a earthly father. But he had a miraculous birth. Even the Koran is clear on this.
AntiChristian: Jesus has no father as claimed by the Bible but there exists two genealogy for him in the Bible.
Genealogy 1 from Matthew 1-6-16
King David. to Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife, (remember Uriah, that woman whom David killed his husband and forcefully marries) to Rehoboam, to Abijah, to Asa, to Jehoshaphat, to Jehoram, to Uzziah, to Jotham, to Ahaz, to Hezekiah, to Manasseh, to Amon, to Josiah, to Jeconiah to Shealtiel, to Zerubbabel, to Abihud, to Eliakim, to Azor, to Zadok, to Akim, to Elihud, to Eleazar, to Matthan, to Jacob, to Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Here Jesus had about 25 Ancestors to David through his father Joseph! No Mary in the Equation
Genealogy 2 from Luke 3-23-31
Joseph
to Heli to Matthat
to Levi to Melki
to Jannai to Joseph
to Mattathias to Amos
to Nahum to Esli
to Naggai to Maath
to Mattathias to Semein
to Josek to Joda
to Joanan to Rhesa
to Zerubbabel to Shealtiel
to Neri to Melki
to Addi to Cosam
to Elmadam to Er
to Joshua to Eliezer
to Jorim, to Matthat
to Levi to Simeon
to Judah to Joseph
to Jonam to Eliakim
to Melea to Menna
to Mattatha to Nathan
to David.
Here Jesus had 41 Ancestors to David through his father Joseph! No Mary in the Equation
No how does Jesus who has no father gets 16 Ancestors from David to Joseph in Mathew and 41 Ancestors from David to Joseph in Luke?
Different names only Joseph is common to the two lists!
Where did the bible claim that Jesus didn't have a Father? He even have two Fathers. An earthly father and a heavenly Father
We have the sunni, Shia, ahmaddiyya and bauallah....
MaxInDHouse: And what exactly do you think you know about Islam o? Àbí you've forgotten that Islam is a field full of sects contradicting themselves just like the Churches of Christendom who can't come up with a single form of doctrine. Please which of the many different sects claiming Muslims is practicing Islam in the real sense. I won't argue with you i just want to know so that i can see what exactly i don't know in Islam!
I told you how it was so in summary. They weren't the words or commands from God but the deeds of imperfect men.
Generally the bible is the word of God but the bible contains many evil deeds and stories of imperfect men which are literally not the words that came from God's mouth.
AntiChristian: You didn't even answer any of the questions below:
1. How could Moses have written all these? 2. Can anyone read this verses to his/her daughter as the word of God? 3. What morals exists in this verses as a scripture when we read "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness" in 2 :Timothy 3:16? 4. Can this be the acclaimed Torah revealed by God to Moses?
The bible contains written history of the Israelites and events that happened. These immoral scenes you talk about are proofs that the bible is trust worthy. No faults were hidden.
Go deal with the Koran first. Why don't you respond to my post even when i mentioned in them? Cos there are a lot of things you need to answer from the Koran. And if i brought them in any of your thread, you would say it's diversion.
AntiChristian: The Book of Genesis was allegedly written by Moses as his first Book. However, this is doubtful as Moses could never have written all those Books ascribed to him.
Incest is sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other. It is the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild.
There are many verses about incest in the Bible especially in the Book of Genesis which God tacitly or directly supported!
1. Lot (Abraham's Nephew) slept with his two daughter in turns after giving him wine The daughters actually gave Lot wine and slept with him in successive nights. They gave birth to Moab and Ammon who were the ancestors of the Moabites and Ammonites. And they were blessed by God. Genesis 19:30-32 This is actually a mistake being ascribed to God. God save them from homosexuallism but they ended up in incest then God blessed them.
2. Reuben slept with his father's concubine on the roof and Israel his father heard about it and said nothing. Israel again set out and pitched his tent beyond the Tower of Eder. While Israel was living in that region, Reuben went in and slept with his father’s concubine Bilhah, and Israel heard about it. Genesis 35:22
3. Judah (father of the Jewish race, You know Judea, Judaism, etc.) Sleeps with his daughter in law by the road side She gave birth to twins Pharez and Zarah who were the great grand fathers of Jesus! Genesis 38
And there are many more....
1. How could Moses have written all these? 2. Can anyone read this verses to his/her daughter as the word of God? 3. What morals exists in this verses as a scripture when we read "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness" in 2 :Timothy 3:16? 4. Can this be the acclaimed Torah revealed by God to Moses?
Christianity Etc › Re: Should Muslims Show Kindness To Their Parents?? by cornelboy(op): 12:26pm On Feb 25, 2022
