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tctrills:
The bible says ye are Gods. Isn't that enough to tell you that even humans can get to that state? If ye are Gods, have you asked, what qualifies one to be a God.
Philippians 2.5
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Psalm 82.5 Thus says the Lord, Ye are gods and children of the Most High.
These are not my words

John1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

These are not my words
These verses teach that Jesus is God and even man is God.
What more would I do to open your eyes that God isn't one person?

tctrills:
Is Jesus a God? Yes
Is his father a God? Yes
So is the bible right in saying God would dwell with man ? Yes
Is Jesus and his Father the only God the bible spoke about? No.. The Bible also said we are Gods.
But even though we are Gods, we don't worship ever God. We worship Jesus Christ and Our Heavenly Father.

Like Jesus Christ, we are Gods because we are children of our Heavenly Father.
Everything I said is in the bible so what don't you understand.

tctrills:
You should know that and differ times, in that same bible we use. Different people have been called God.
Man has been called God.
Jesus Christ has been called God.
Our heavenly Father has been called God.
We do not worship man or other Gods. We worship Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father.

Alright we don't worship man but man is God right? No wahala

Which verse of the Bible tells us man can't be worship but Jesus should be worship?

Is Jesus the same God as "our heavenly Father"?

Because man was called God, does that make him equal to God the Father?

Jesus taught his disciples to worship the Father not himself.

Who's the heavenly Father according to 1 Corinthians 8:6 and John 17:3

achorladey:
When I bring publications published by the religious organization he belongs where they said Jesus is Jehovah now, and added a caveat of not being DOGMATIC about it, cornelboy go start to the shift goalpost from left to center to right like alignment for Microsoft word.



You will see the materials soon.

MaxInDHouse:
You claimed there is a publication of JWs that says "Jehovah is Jesus" but instead of fulfilling your promise you ended up running round in the circus like a clown!

Well Jehovah's Witnesses know that whenever anyone reads God's word the listeners aren't listening to the one reading rather they're listening to the voice of JEHOVAH!


Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. Exodus 19:5

Did Jehovah keeps speaking to every Israelite? NO!
So how do all Israelites listen to the voice of JEHOVAH throughout their generations?
By paying attention whenever Jehovah's words are been read publicly! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Stop deceiving yourself, the angel representing Jehovah there is Archangel Michael who is always standing for the salvation of God's people! Daniel 12:1

So whenever Michael is speaking to Israel he is serving as Jehovah's mouthpiece to his people.
That's the import of what you're misconstruing in the publication of JWs.
But if you still feel like it's not so then present a JWs publication where it's explicitly stated "Jehovah is Jesus"

tctrills:
My brother don't give in to the spirit of lies nah. I said God is a state not father.
Yes and stick to the bible that called Jesus Christ both God and Father in Isaiah 9.6
Stick to the bible that Called Jesus Christ Lord and God in Matthew 28.
And the bible when he told us he is I am in John 8.
Stick to the bible that declared ye are Gods.

Finally stick to the bible that taught against false witness. I never said the father is a state.

tctrills:
Baba Good night. Don't be like the Jews that could not recognize Jehovah when he was among them. Remember Emmanuel... God is with us.
Yet they did not recognize that God was with them.
We cannot claim to be Jehovah's people and be ignorant of who he is.
About the Father, I would create a post.

AntiChristian:
Of cos even your trinity is not understood by anyone. This is as far as the spirit leads you!

Have you ever argued with a Jehovah witness cos I'm one

Simple question you won't answer directly! He made one mistake and was condemned. You have made thousands of mistakes and you are not condemned. How is your God fair?

You don't get the full picture. Do you?
God's plan is to restore everything back to his initial purpose.
A time is coming where the world will be free of evil, sin, death, sickness, struggling etc.
Everything will be perfect.

A God that shed the blood of his son? What does God need son for in the first place? Is it to inherit Him when he die or what?

He did it out of love.
That's why Mohammed didn't have son?
Have you ever reasoned why Allah commanded Mohamed to marry Zaynab, Saeed's divorcee?
So that Mohammed will make an example to Muslims that they can marry their son's ex wife, that he, Allah permits it. And this same Allah prohibited Muslims from adopting sons.
Is that not something to you?

Between Allah and Mohammed who is more righteous?
Actually Mohammed didn't want to marry Zaynab though he loved her because he feared the people will talk against it. But Allah told him to go ahead and marry. Who's more chaste between Allah and Mohammed

The ultimate question is: is Allah the same God that Abraham walked with? Naaah!!

Anyone who kills people shedding their blood for others to progress is a ritualist. And i no get Alfa wey dey give soap and use human parts. You can check your Pastors with fake miracles. And was the idiotic abuse revealed to you by the holy spirit or was it sent by Jesus?

Did God literally killed Jesus? Is the killing of ram by Muslims not ritual?
Didnt the Jews kill animals for their sin before Christ came to die for our sins?
Learn oga
You can say whatever you like about the Holy spirit.

tctrills:
Fun, you take the Bible for fun?
Yes. I don't think we should go to war over our religious differences. Yes, let's have fun.

tctrills:
I promised you I would reveal the father to you but you should respect my time, don't you think?

sonmvayina:
Let me send you on a long/short journey..depends on your speed.

tctrills:
You are a grown man. Make your own decision and have fun as you do. As long as we are respectful, we are good.

tctrills:
I promised we would get to that but we are not done with the whole Jehovah topic and you were going to show me where the Bible says Jesus rules heaven for now with his 144000

tctrills:
]Who bare record of the word of [b]God[/b], and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw
What is the word of God?
Everything Jesus said in the bible is the word of God.
The teachings of the Apostles and prophets are the word of God. When the scriptures talk about the word of God, It's not about God speaking. It's when one speaks under the inspiration of the spirit.

tctrills:
Please are you quoting someone else? I have never said Jesus is the same as his father. I only said Jesus is Jehovah, not the Father. Please quote me right. At least let's be honest people.

tctrills:
You seem to be on another topic here. We both believe that Jesus has a father. What is your point.

tctrills:
It does not point to the fact that Jesus is not God. He was only pointing us to his father who is also God like him. I never said the father isn't God nor did this scripture say Jesus Christ isn't God. But the verse I gave you clearly points that he is God.

tctrills:
I know that. We have no argument about gog and Magog, Armageddon. But I don't understand why you are bringing this up. What has this got to do with our present discussion?

tctrills:
ok, Jesus and his Father would rule the guys on earth for some time then they would later go back to rule the 144000 in heaven? My brother please Like you said if I don't understand, I should ask for your help. Please help me. Point me to any scripture that explains this migratory pattern.

tctrills:
I honestly don't get the point you are trying to make here. Please explain better.

tctrills:
Yes Godhood is a state. I gave you an example of The Apostle declaring Jesus Christ as his God.
John 20:28-29

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
This alone should clear all your doubts.

tctrills:
Just a thought, If God is going to reign on earth, It completely destroys your old argument that 144,000 would live with God in heaven don't you think so.
Unless the 144000 dudes would be there without the presence of God. This means your 144,000 are not really special as you think. Those on earth would be the ones to enjoy the presence of God and Jesus Christ.

tctrills:
1 Corinthians 15:24-28

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This never said God the father is coming to dwell on the earth.

Revelation 21:1-5

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

The God here is Jesus Christ. He is the entire subject of the book of revelations.

tctrills:
1 Corinthians 15:24-28

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This never said God the father is coming to dwell on the earth.

Revelation 21:1-5

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

The God here is Jesus Christ. He is the entire subject of the book of revelations.

achorladey:
At last you Don learn from the Internet.




The use of could says it all assumptions and speculations. You don't have to be specific

Keep learning.



Mo gba iwaju gate koja ni sir

tctrills:
The very same source of all revelations. God.
Now who is God? God isn't someone's name.
It's a state.
But the question i's in who's voice was it revealed.
In the book of revelations, Jesus Christ spoke in first person.
Let me give you an example with chapter 1

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

If you read verse 8 alone, you would be confused but when you read all the verses together, there in is understanding.

tctrills:
My brother, you are not even capable of writing a single verse of scripture. I not sure you are qualified to recommend a version of the Bible to me.
It's not like you even understand Hebrew or Greek

achorladey:
I see SADISTIC HEART as placed by your brother in Jehovah

tctrills:
You have scripture pointing to that?
Let's have it. Which scripture points to the fact that both would reign on earth?

achorladey:
Still within the realm of assumptions and speculations of your heart.

cornelboy abi you no want gladness for others in the Lord?