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Is it possible for someone to leave the JW and become apostates

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to learn from me come out openly because i'm not quarrelling with anyone.
I have also ignored you and your posts even when your questions are simple but since you don't want to hear anything about God's Chosen people organized to do His will then continue seeking answers where you can't find it.

As for those who approaches me with sincere hearts they will enjoy my company but as for insincere and dishonest people like you i don't give a damn what you think about me.
I asked you a question and until you answer then stop thinking about me:

Everyone knows that JWs are zealously preaching and industriously teaching the word of their God globally. Why not ask your friends what they've been doing for their God after leaving JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization?

Whatever makes you run away from this question then you're nothing more than a liar deceiving himself!

achorladey:
We no una mode of operations. First una words are laid bare. The first strategy is to DENY and later ADMIT and then hide under IMPERFECTIONS

You are actually disclosing your modulus operandi

Na you put it as na you sabi Oga cornelboy who used the word craps abi na scraps?

A. You

B. Me

Who brought the meaning of scraps here?

A. You

B. Me

C. Free me make I run.

Lol i never said your a crap on personal level. go check the post again

It is not even IF it is Paul said that to them their is ONE God no be if.

Thank God you know he said one not two nor three. He even later said the Father

The reason I asked how Russell the seventh and last messenger of Gospel age decides to worship Jesus as GOD when the first messenger (apostle Paul) of the Gospel ages already said their is ONE God and I believe you know both made HEAVEN with that contradictions called GOD'S TRUTH

No one knows who goes to heaven, you don work for there before
Since the contradictions to men's doctrines ie Trinity conforms with the Bible, it's okay

When you search the Internet you won't find any book or writing titled..... TRINITY according to Achorladey. Learn to reason you no gree.

Lol God no be blogger na human being write am and put am for internet
If the bible really completely supports Trinity doctrines, there wouldn't be need for this thread

Okay you never start to cite Isaiah 44:6 abi Isaiah 46:9 to show that God is one. You will better of saying that he is the I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be or what some say I AM THAT I AM

Maybe you fit use the Koran to prove Trinity cos na there Allah de use we for himself

Oga cornelboy go back to the numerous thread on nairaland and see many Bible used to support and go against the Trinity. Opening another thread on TRINITY won't take away TRINITY from surface of the earth. Learn! You don't understand what attacking means. You are busy scrutinizing other religious denominations doctrines but you want free reign over yours

Thanks. At least i know why you attack the JWs
Jesus own sef worst, Dem wan stone am to death before en time.

Any religion that its practices is against the Bible needs scrutinizing

Why the Jews still de find their messiah till today when be say na them get the Torah
So you fit hold the bible make you no understand am or blindly give different interpretation to it base on others opinions

1 Corinthians 8: 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.

Knowing God is ONE is of no use when you don't wetin.................. Oga cornelboy?

Answer; love God the Father not triune Gods

Since you know this when you call on the name of Jesus, who you dey call then? Your response will be interesting?

Jesus taught his disciples to pray to God in his name all to the glory of the Father.
I pray to YHWH directly through Jesus Christ name.
When David confronted Goliath in the name of God, e sabi who Jesus be?

MaxInDHouse:
I never call them "brother" so he wants to use that against you because Jesus only relate with people who share his line of thought as "brothers" {Matthew 12:46-50} all others be it friend or foe are "neighbours"

Emusan:
What is the meaning of bro?

Emusan:
So you can see true his lies kid

But don't let it pain you, he said it and people here can confirm

Emusan:
At least you let us know that God is lying and that you don't understand the Bible altogether

Emusan:
You don't need to tell me bro

Yet your brother says it's a sin for JWs to call unbelievers Bro

Lol na you sabi whether you are worthless or not. I didn't even say your worthless

If Paul said for them the one God is the Father, who am I not to believe his inspired words
If you like keep debating from before the foundations of the world to eternity, the truth won't change. God is one person, the Father

Only your Trinity doctrine is lie
I gave you 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Acts 2:36, make you explain am you no fit. It's clear those verses doesn't support Trinity but all you could do is attack the JWs.

Jesus sef no carry the privileges he got from the Father for head, instead he humbled himself and obediently carries out God's will. When he know say God go still take am back

achorladey:
Learn you no go learn. When you dey run your mouth about scraps you forget you need answers to your questions because na today dem teach you the below....

"Hear o Israel the lord your God, YHWH is one!"

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Na my mouth, you get your copy, allow me make my mouth I don debate TRINITY doctrine long before you dreamt of thinking Jehovah’s witnesses to come study with you.



Even when you stand strong and preach lies, it always equate to standing strong and preaching the truth because truth is not what you read in your Bible. It is what your religious leaders teach you.




Na you dey tell us sey only 144,000 go go heaven now. You don forget

The woman never ask you sey,

must you be a member of Jehovah's Witnesses aka WTBTS to be saved? Make I ask you, where e dey for Bible

Don't worry na you go tell me after all na una dey practice the purest worship. Learn you no gree.



Wetin Bible call the pure worship from God standpoint. Just one Bible verse will do




Accepting blood fractions transfusions is equally abstaining from blood and it conforms to Bible principles That Jesus returned in 1914 spiritually paapaa conforms with the Bible.

Lol you no get dictionary undecided
(slang, mildly, vulgar, uncountable) Something worthless or of poor quality; junk.

You cannot create a single strand of my hair and you are saying I am worthless . It will haunt you.



What outsider decide to read and make do with whatever I typed here is within their jurisdiction. I didn't come to your thread to prove whatever I think about God in the first place.

achorladey:
God's truth is in the Bible I have seen the truth hidden by the Jehovah’s witnesses religion. Learn no dey reason from one part of the divide.

No part contradicts themselves. Which truth did they hide

Will believing the TRINITY stop you from loving God and then loving your neighbour as yourself?

Did apostle Paul believed in the Trinity? No! He only believed God the Father as the one true GOD shikena

achorladey:
The major topic Jehovah’s witnesses like discussing TRINITY. You won't be the first, you won't be the last. Trinity doctrine no be the mate of the founding fathers of the religious organization you belong. The concept is just the "Jehovah’s organization" teaching of your doctrine

Lol ṣee person person wey de talk. You sef get tactics. You've successfully avoided my questions and failed to give your explanation to the verses i presented.
All you can do is make mouth.

We will always stand strong and preach the TRUTH

The answer still did not take away the fact that the first two founding members of the religious organization you belong worshipped JESUS and made HEAVEN. Since they made heaven is that not an indication they choose the TRIUNE Gods.

Lol na you be the gateman for heaven?
Naso one lady from Indonesia tell me say i must i musl believe in Trinity before i can be saved. I con ask am where e de in the Bible. Na vex she vex comot

Your respected Martin Luther too which did he choose?

I respected him yes! He was fed with false doctrines too like every other christians.
His beliefs doesn't change any truth in the Bible.

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You mean the body of truth guarded by your religious leaders who call themselves G. O. D guardians of our doctrines

Show me your religion, let's see if it's better than JWs bro!

What do you believe, the Bible or the men that established Jehovah’s organization doctrines?

the Bible and anything that conforms with the bible.

You mean craps or scraps? . That word go haunt you ooo. One of the best things we have come to know about you people is INSULT when those you are discussion with don't dance to your tune.

Lol you no get dictionary
(slang, mildly, vulgar, uncountable) Something worthless or of poor quality; junk.

Learn. Na us you dey call scraps

Any outsider that reads both our comments we see that i have evidently proved my believe on God's person from the scriptures.
"Hear o Israel the lord your God, YHWH is one!"

1 Corinthians 8:6 NLV
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live.

Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLV
[36]“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

Óyá o moti gbedé lol.. According to the first apostles, who's God? The Father or the triune Gods?

Instead of you to accept truth una still go de argue fruitlessly on purpose.

What do you believe, the bible or the men that established Trinity doctrines?

We don't need to address you craps

achorladey:
At least you Sabi una tactics as shown from that post . It is indeed well

achorladey:
Running on low fuel Abi? The reason for statement like the below......





You are still waiting for someone to ask again. No be you use your mouth talk dey you want to join them.

Mr cornelboy I am not holding your jugular to choose whatever you want to choose. What we know about this God's truth of a thing is that its source is not from that religious organisation you talked about


Even when you start bowing down to them like small Jesus, they will never be the SOURCE of GOD'S TRUTH.

MaxInDHouse:
Market people don return!

achorladey:
Na child's play he call nairaland. He is just contradicting himself here and there.

achorladey:
This cornelboy use of God's truth dey make me laugh.

He will be saying God's truth as if na him dey beside Jesus for heaven now.

achorladey:
Apply the below as it concerns your human established DOGMA that too



Here is one below....


No matter where we may live on earth, God’s Word continues to serve as a light to our path and a lamp to our roadway as to our conduct and beliefs. (Ps. 119:105) But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave", made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do." Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.27


That place say no matter how much Bible reading we do. Now here is what.........

2 Timothy 3 : 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.


According to your DOGMAS this is how 2 Timothy 3 : 16-17 should read.........

All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 but the man of God cannot be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work unless he is in touch with the channel of communication that God is using. In fact, the man of God will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much all of the inspired scripture of God he has read.

MaxInDHouse:
Cornelboy.
Are you still engaging this woman?

Rosement:
You are bothering me with your so much questions, why not ask the Holy Spirit to direct you? No matter how I explain to you, you will not be satisfied, you will still bring up several verses and ask me for answers. The fact is the verses that explains that Jesus claims He is God cannot be excluded from the Bible. We just have to understand that other verses that indicated that Jesus was under the authority of God was just referring to His human nature, not His Godly nature.

(1 Corinthians 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Corinthians 8:6 did not indicate that Jesus is not among the Godhead, it only indicated that God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one. That verse was also emphasizing that Jesus is one, that though He has two natures, His Godly nature and His human nature but He is still one and not two.

The same way, fingers are united and connected to one another in one hand and they perform their duties with each other's backing, that is the way the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is connected, they are one divine team

MaxInDHouse:
Funny trinitarians will tell you it's the same person yet one will hand over to another!

Emusan:
At least you let us know that God was lying when He says "Beside me there's no god" when Jesus and billions of Angels that are gods are there with him

Emusan:
When you don't even know what Trinity is all about



You didn't even read anything just what you read on watchtower and awake that's in play here.



So you know this but you kept your brain in the oven and agree with the person I quoted when she cited 1 Corinthians 8:6



So that means 1 Corin 8:6 is a lie

Emusan:
You have abandoned your jehovah answering me or not

I was never referring to you!

If they don't, Thomas won't call Him "My Lord and my God"

If Jesus was God and was equal to the Almighty GOD YHWH, he wouldn't have called Him his Father and God! John 17:3

Paul won't called on His name as he wrote in 1 Corin 1:2

1 Corinthians 1:2 NLV
[2]I am writing to God’s (the Father ) church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God (the Father) to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus (the son), just as he (God) did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.

The last time i checked God made Jesus lord and messiah!
Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLV
[36]“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

Peter won't accept the teaching of Paul.

The disciples didn't contradict each other. They understand God as one person, the Father!
1 Corinthians 8:6
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live.

So you mean Peter, Paul and Thomas don't have church

They were part of the early church, united as one.

ifiokjohn:
Jesus has always been and will always be subjected to God oga

steep:
John 20:17 NLV
[17]“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Na only Jehovah be person wey no get anybody for up

You think say i just read two pages of the Bible and come here to talk my own

Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLV
[36]“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

Na the level wey you still de be this

Ona no know say God and Lord are just titles like president
Buhari na president, joe Biden na president, Dem de the same level?

Hebrew word for god (El) means a strong or mighty one. El could be YHWH or Jesus or Satan or anything that could be considered mighty.

Dem no de call human beings lord?
No be lord Lugard almagamate naija?

Steep:
exactly this makes Jesus and his God and father one God.

Emusan:
How can you pray to something you don't believe or serve?

Can you pray according to the will of Allah?



Then your statement that God doesn't answer unbelievers is wrong, do you agree?



The church that Apostles Peter, Paul and Thomas belong.

Emusan:
As I colored that part hope you can see it very well?

That means the Father isn't Lord too



No! It means I'm a Bible student who always giving you people Bible study.



Only if you understand that verse very well, then you won't know it's about Trinity.



So Jesus was lying when He said "...NO ONE TRULY KNOWS THE FATHER EXCEPT THE SON, and no one truly knows the Son except the Father"

I know you never thought of that verse before



Then the scripture is lying because the early Christians CALLED ON JESUS NAME 1 Corinthians 1:2, Father, Jesus & Holy Spirit are three witnesses 1 John 5:7

Thomas called Jesus My Lord and My God



Just as theocracy is men's idea



Yet it was the same Bible you read where the early Christians called upon Jesus' name, it was the same Bible you read that Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one

Are you sure you read Bible by yourself?

Emusan:
So God was lying when he knows that there are millions of creatures with him in heaven who are gods yet says besides me "THERE'S NO god"

JWs abracadabra

Steep:
The word is as clear as crystal, what are you mixing it with?
Jehovah said there was no God with him, he didn't say there was no God worthy of worship with him, your belief is purely pagan.

The pagan's believe that there were small God's with the Almighty although those smaller gods are not worshiped but they could be honored alongside Almighty God, this is exactly your belief.

Yahweh said there was no God with him

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.




Yes Jesus begged Almighty God to save him because he was a man.
The bible teaches Jesus to be a God-man meaning he exhibit both the character of Almighty God and a human. Pointing out Jesus character as a man only prove he was truly man but does not disprove that he is Almighty God.

NEXT

this proves that Jesus is yahweh, because Jehovah alone created the heaven and earth alone.

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.


Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

MaxDhouse you have nowhere to hide!
You should realise by now that jehovah witness organization is a pagan religion and leading you to hell fire!

Emusan:
Can you see how confused you are?

This is my statement you responded to "So Jehovah can answer my prayer when I'm not JWs"

You said "God answers anyone that prays to him according to his will."

Now you're claiming that Jehovah doesn't answer unbelievers.

Now your "ANYONE" has suddenly has limitation

sonmvayina:
Genesis chapter 1

1.In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Emusan:
But you hold the belief that I'm not worshipping the same God with you, so how come I can pray to the same God that I don't worship?