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tctrills:
My friend what is the meaning of this nah. I never told you that Jesus is the father of Jesus.
All I told you came from the Bible not my opinion.
Initially, you felt it was the father of Jesus Christ speaking in the book of revelations until I introduced you to chapter 3.
I would continue to open your eyes using the scriptures not my words.
I hope you take note of the verses I lead you to.
I would present more to you so long you remain calm and not begin to fight and insult me like your poor mannered friend

achorladey:
Na you go deal with with your could as it dwells within the realm of assumptions and speculations

cornelboy abi you no want gladness for others in the Lord?

tctrills:
I see what you are trying to do, you are trying to decide who said what based on your doctrine and not based on context.
Initially you felt the book of revelation was God speaking now you found a funny counter argument that destroys your first argument.

Let me ask you a question who is coming to reign on earth Jesus Christ, his Father or both?

If you know who is coming then you know who revelation 1.8 is referring to.
Also, I brought up other verses that showed Jesus Christ is Jehovah even outside revelations.
I would go into phase 2 of the discussion, that is telling you who the Father of Jesus Christ is after we are done with understanding who Jesus Christ is

Emusan:
Better, be glad in the Lord

You can see the reason why Achorladey always shine his teeth now

Emusan:
Why sadness fill your face?

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah for trinitarians o!

Emusan:
Since is enemies, what you simply thanking me for is I'm your enemy. That's wonderful

tctrills:
What they failed to know is that there are many speaking in the Bible book of Revelation.

Jehovah God.
Jesus Christ.
John.
The angel sent to John.
144,000.
The four Creatures.
Babylon the Great.
The Merchandise.
And so on.
That is why calmness is required on the part of the reader before you can figure out who is who.

Simply because Jehovah said something similar to what Jesus said doesn't literally means both are the same person. It simply means both of them has been together before the creation all other things so they're so close to the extent that they both think in the same direction except on one occasion where Jesus felt somehow but he later submitted since he trusted that his father knows better than him! Luke 22:42
Apart from this occasion Jesus is ever willing to do whatever Jehovah says wholeheartedly! John 8:28-29
That's why they both have the same mindset in all things {John 10:30} that's exactly how Jesus wanted all servants of God to join him and his father in having the same line of thought! John 17:22

achorladey:
You go japa last last by yourself







Why are you creating a thread for dead immortal discussion . Do you see the contradictions here?




But your Jesus is God in a sense

Learn you no gree.



TRINITARIANS believe God is the Father. . That you cannot change as it concerns TRINITY

achorladey:
You don't need glass now. You have been using your two korokoro eyes since.

achorladey:
You don tire to separate your words from mine



You can shift the goalpost as much as you like. Freedom to do so dey





Achorladey= The Father
Cornelboy= the Father
Trinitarian = The Father is God



Achorladey = God
Cornelboy= God
Trinitarian = God



Learn and come to accept that TRINITARIANS believe that the Father is God just like you believe




TRINITARIANS believe that the Father is God.

Learn!

achorladey:
I just dey look you from a far since you said anywhere in the Bible God is used, it is always YHWH. I laugh at your in a sense . Then you change goalpost again to one TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD.

You didnt get my point baba
If you were asked "who is God"?
Achorladey_______________
Cornelboy= the Father

Who's the Father?
Achorladey_______________
Cornelboy= God

Learn baba! The Father is the one GOD there's.
That's what the bible teaches.


Okay do trinitarian love and worship the one true Almighty GOD after all that one TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD IS THE FATHER

Learn!

cornelboy: The Father is the one GOD

Acholardey: Father is God

Please what is the lowest common denominator between your words and mine

This matter no be mathematics, na wetin bible talk i de yarn you.
Both our words are different cos your 'Father is God' has continuation.....

Learn to follow discussion.

follow Wetin , i no see your handwriting

achorladey:
You see am

achorladey:
Exercise your option to japa.

Do you believe in God the Father?

Do TRINITARIANS believe in God the Father?



Your thread don become another reference thread that continues the discussion that refuses to die.

tctrills:
My brother, you are wrong. You should really read those verses.
Jesus is Jehovah the great I Am. He declared it himself not me

tctrills:
Every revelation is from God. But it was Jesus Christ those verse's were about.

You mean revelation from chapter 1 to 22 were bout Jesus?

The Almighty is the Father baba.

Let me ask you, do you believe God is coming to dwell on earth among men?
Revelation 3.21

Of course i do. You think christians from the whole world will sit with Jesus on his throne naaah!! That verse is talking about the 144000 that will be kings and rule together with Christ.

Revelation 21:1-4
[1]Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.
[2]And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.
[4]He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne

Don't you see that Jesus overcame and God grant him to sit on his throne?

Is God then Jesus, are they not two distinct beings? Who is God to in that verse

[s]It's Jesus on the throne and he was the voice of revelation not his father[/s]

What do you mean here

AntiChristian:
You and Adam who sin pass? And have you lost everything?

You no go understand
I shouldn't be debating with you in the first place, cos the bible entirely differs from the Koran

Where did your God state this as you put? Did God know Adam would disobey Him?

Whether God knew or not, the fact is Adam disobeyed God and lost his privileges which includes eternal life.
God clearly warned that if they eat of the forbidden tree they will die

Did Abraham sacrifice to demons? We are simply copying Abraham who never worshiped three gods in one!

Jesus' death is the last sacrifice, once and for all.

Yes, they are similar. Without blood both can't save people.

Oga your an idiot sorry i have to use the word.
So God of Israel wey send Jesus to die and save mankind by giving us eternal life na ritualist abi?
Who yahoo boys Dem de save? Killing their fellow human na salvation right?
No be your Alfa de give them soap and tell them to bring human parts?

tctrills:
I am sure you did not read the verses. It was Jesus Christ speaking in the first person about himself
For example, in Revelations 1.8 Jesus tells you that he is the Lord which is to come. I am sure you know that Jesus Christ is the Lord to come not his father right?
8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
An easy way to learn who the verses were talking about is to read the preceding verses. Let me give you some examples to help you out.
Revelations 1
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
reading verse 12, you don't need an angel to tell you that this passage speaks about Jesus Christ. Or do you believe the Father is coming soon?

tctrills:
Again, I have always trusted you to be very educated so let's go through the verse you quoted Revelation 1:1
1 T[b]he Revelation of Jesus Christ[/b], which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The book of Revelations tell about Jesus Christ.
Also, all revelations in the bible come from God so even if the Revelation is talking about christ like in the case of the above verses, I does not mean that te revelation does not come from Christ.

achorladey:
You simply don't know what you came here for in the first place. Had you heed the warning, you no go create the thread in the first place. One of your eventually called it worthless arguments
From your own words below.........



The question a TRINITARIAN will ask you is, Is Jesus Christ one false God?

In a sense Jesus is a mighty God, and we all know God made him everything he's. But the explains that the one true Almighty GOD is the Father. No addition of God the son or whatever

Check the common denominator again here in your statement and mine, what you will get is Father is God . Baba e se H.C. F ati L.C.M ni school now

No be math be this na bible matter. No be figure we de deal with kò lọ rárá
No denominator in the sense that the one God is the Father, Dem no be three

Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Here is one of the words of the man you respected so much

A Christian man is an obedient servant in everything and subject to everyone

A Christian man is free Lord over everything and subject to no one

Since you respect him get to understand what that mean



I never said you claimed that, I know.

Why you con de happy say no be go destroy false religion?

That option don finish? Free me make I japa?

achorladey:
Where is it written in your Bible that you should belong and become a card carrying member of a church?Where?

achorladey:
That's why you have to follow the line of discussion

What is the common denominator between you and TRINITARIANS regarding God the Father? Do both worship and love God the Father?



You must learn to exercise your freedom

achorladey:
Learn you no gree



You have right to rephrase, I do also and your rephrasing doesn't change the fact that TRINITARIANS believe God the Father is their heavenly Father




Check the common denominator again you get with TRINITARIANS



What is food for the goose is food for the gander

Learn

achorladey:
Learn you no gree



You have right to rephrase, I do also and your rephrasing doesn't change the fact that TRINITARIANS believe God the Father is their heavenly Father


Check the common denominator again you get with TRINITARIANS



What is food for the goose is food for the gander

Learn

AntiChristian:
All the sacrifice done by a Muslim is done to Allah in worship and are only compulsory if the person is capable financially! The yearly ram is in remembrance of Abraham who wanted to sacrifice his son but ended up with a ram. How is that same as human sacrifice by your God?

Any ritualist or yahoo person can also claim this. Killing people for others to progress can never come from God!

Moreso, Adam's sin is his. My sin is mine.
Did you inherit your dad's sins?
Did your dad inherit his dad's sins?

When did the inheritance stop exactly?

tctrills:
Revelation 1:8

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Revelation 21:6-7
Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Revelation 1:17-18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

The words of Jehovah Jesus

achorladey:
I told you earlier before setting up the thread, you will not be the last to discuss trinity doctrine. I can give you resources to keep you busy on refuting trinity doctrine. Should I get to lay my hands on it again. All what you have been refuting here na surface. . It is one Bible used in supporting and another used against placed side by side.

Now i understand that you believe that the bible contradicts itself

cornelboy: The Father is the one true GOD


TRINITARIANS: God is the Father

You don't even understand what you said
If trinitarians believe God is the Father and just that, no addition or subtraction, you think I'll be here arguing?

Bible: There is one God, the Father

Clearly the bible says the one God there is, is the Father

Wetin be the common denominator Oga cornelboy?

The common denominator is "The Father is the one GOD there is"

Freedom to japa na within your jurisdiction e dey

I still need permission oga kola, those options wey you de give nko?

The word end comes from your post initially anyway. Your the first user. I am not holding you back to seek for heart that yearns for the truth oooo. At least you have to reason and convince them enough for them to accept whatever you brought as the truth. Not just swallowing anything you bring to the table.


So i haven't given reason enough, that's what it seems to you?


Thanks for the reminder, at least I know you won't be one to bring an end to false religion including TRINITY doctrine The dead and buried doctrine that refuses to DIE or get buried.

I never claimed that uncle kola.

achorladey:
Learn that comment was not about the early church established by random mistake.

Your brother Abi Na friend coming here to tell us that it is worthless arguments is enough to make you close the thread since you agree with him that this must be a mistake.

Learn

Abeg i need permission to Japa

achorladey:
E ma binu sir

After reading 1 Corinthians, I know the TRINITARIANS believe in God the Father of which you cannot deny



E ma binu sir, ko le to yii. E wo ni serious unknown problem ninu eleyi.




Japa at your express will . I am not an obstacle or hurdle paapaa.

achorladey:
To before warn is to before harmed. Let me rephrase the below well according to TRINITARIANS

Your rephrasing doesn't change the fact that trinitarians added two other persons to God.
Bible says the only one God is the Father but ona say aside God the Father, God the son and God the holy spirit too de

At least you are an eye witness to know and you equally came back reborn to continue arguments on worthless and foolishness all over nairaland with unwise and ignorant people who don't dance to your tune.

I no de there o na someone reveal am to me

achorladey:
Tell it to cornelboy, had everyone accepted what he cornelboy had come here to do, you won't call it worthless arguments.

Learn. Jesus didn't ask for people to look for or make disciples for a group

tctrills:
More prove Jesus is Jehovah.
Jehovah said I am the beginning and the end
Isaiah 44:6

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Jesus said
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Why you no shine you eyes well, na Jesus talk am?