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achorladey:
The question has always been who did your master ask you to bear witness about? Not the below . You see the difference?





You see the bold. That's the reason for the question. Who did your master ask you to bear witness about? Una no dey follow una masters instruction. His last words were bear witness about me.



Who are you called

A. Jehovah’s witnesses

B. Jesus witnesses



When your master ask you to bear witness about him(Jesus)you are bearing witness and known to be Jehovah’s witnesses You see how it sound abi.



Baba eyin ni ke bole nbe.

achorladey:
We know your own mode of operation. LIE FIRST, then later accept the LIE as you truth . Your response quoted below is.........



Meaning they don't love the Father . You will LIE on behalf of TRINITARIANS to look good paapaa. When next you come to a TRINITARIAN thread this will haunt you.

and you added...



In that three persons do they love God the FATHER . Do they worship God the FATHER as God in that three persons?






The only true God Jesus worship is that referred to as God the FATHER abi?

Do TRINITARIAN also worship that God the FATHER that Jesus worships?

Do they love that God that Jesus worship and loves to?

We know UNITARIANS like you worship DOGHEAD

Don't ask me how I know.

The question remains do they worship the Father as God in that three persons

If you agree they do, do they love him.


Another lie installment is what I am waiting for

achorladey:
You cannot even see my answer to your question

No wonder you will not be able to answer my question.

In that TRINITY belief they know God as the FATHER.


This is a locked discussion

Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.+ 24 God is a Spirit,+ and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth

My question was do they love God the FATHER. I know in that trinity doctrine there is God the Father. Do they love God the FATHER?

Since you find it difficult to answer. Do they love Jesus? Does loving Jesus, mean they hate the Father?

Rosement:
I'm good, what about u?

achorladey:
The point gangan is Acts 1:8 which is hard for you to understand so why are you bearing witnesses of Jehovah when your master says bear witness about me JESUS?

Don't come with this question below

I will come with the question in another form:
Don't JWs bear witness about Christ?
Or if you don't want to answer the question, I'll help you out.
JWs bear witness of Christ!

Are you a Jehovah’s witness in name when you don't bear witness about Jehovah?

I have told you that their name doesn't stop them from bearing witness about Jesus cos they do bear witness about him and bearing witness about Jesus doesn't mean they stop witnessing about Jehovah!
Bàbá kúrò lórí è!

You fo for that gbolohun

Rosement:
Your own case is different, you don't deserve any explanation. Silence is the best answer for you.

ifiokjohn:
leave the Christians alone. I'm not here to banter with you if GOD exist or not or if Jesus is GOD. I'm here to ask a simple question... Why will David call his own grandson Lord ?

Abi just like the scribes didn't have any answer to the question when Jesus asked... You don't too?


Here is Jesus question to the scribes and I'm directing it to you too.

"If the Messiah is the son of David, why then did David call him Lord?"


For a whole king to call his own Son "Lord?" Come on, reason an Na.

Lol i don't think you understand my post or the bible at all. But let's reason together.

The psalm 110:1 verse is a prophecy. David never knew Jesus in person or went to heaven. But yet he prophesied bout it.

Acts of the Apostles 2:34-35 NLV
[34]For David himself never ascended into heaven, yet he said,
‘The lord said to my Lord,
    “Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
[35]until I humble your enemies,
    making them a footstool under your feet.”’

I'm telling you that the same Hebrew word translated to "lord" Sarah used for his husband is the same word used to refer to Jesus in psalm 110:1. Go do more research!

Was Jesus David's grandson? No bro! Who told you that? Jesus was born in David's lineage hundreds of years after David's death.

Read Mathew 1:1-17

Jesus was David's son cos he was born in his lineage. David is a direct ancestor of Jesus

ifiokjohn:
Note: the Lord David used for Christ is the Hebrew word for Adonai. Which in the old testament was used for Yahweh.

Also how can your own Father called you Lord? Now in Sarah case, he was her husband, the head of her so you might overlook it. But in David's case, how can he call his own grandson "Lord?". Even if it the Lord use by Sarah to refer to Abraham. It is wrong for a Father to call his own Son Lord. That son must be something.



By the way if you go through the Jewish meaning of that WORD, David was essentially calling Him ADONAI...which was a name used for GOD

achorladey:
Oga Nobody101010 you get dictionary for house and your phone. What it means is not my problem. Who did your master ask you to bear witness about.

Jesus no be your master again?

achorladey:
Jesus forget that the Father is supreme before he said what was recorded in Acts 1:8 abi?

When John was given the revelation that states bearing witness about Jesus inspires prophecy they forget the Father is supreme.



My question was not based on steep definition

Learn

achorladey:
Acts 1:8 is the last words of Jesus. Who did your master ask you to witness about.

Abi Jesus no be your master.

Who did Jesus taught the disciples to worship in spirit and TRUTH.
a). Jesus himself
b). God the Father
c). Triune Gods which incude Jesus
d). Free me make i Japa

achorladey:
In that TRINITY belief they know God as the FATHER.


This is a locked discussion

Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.+ 24 God is a Spirit,+ and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth

My question was do they love God the FATHER. I know in that trinity doctrine there is God the Father. Do they love God the FATHER?

Since you find it difficult to answer. Do they love Jesus? Does loving Jesus, mean they hate the Father?

achorladey:
That is to say, KO SORO

achorladey:
It is pointless when it does not meet what you like.




Who did the master ask you to bear witness about. Those were his last words

Learn.

I can equally say your post is pointless

Muslims have nothing to say about this. I mean their comments doesn't matter since their Koran firmly says that Jesus was just a prophet. This is for christians and bible scholars.

Note that in Genesis 18:12 Sarah called Abraham 'lord", it's the same Hebrew root word used for Jesus in psalm 110:1.

Of course, Jesus is far more than a prophet. He had a preexistence before coming into the world. He existed before David. Jesus was with God in the beginning before creation, he's divine.
He was called David son because he was born as a man through David's lineage.

God even created the universe through Jesus, so Jesus is lord over David.

ifiokjohn:
Have been reading the Bible and I came across psalm110 where King David made Reference to Two Lords. He said and I quote 'The LORD said to My Lord , sit thou at my hand until I make thing enemies thy footstool'. I went through what that means.
I got to know that in the Original hebrew of the psalm, The first "LORD"translate the Hebrew word Yahweh. GOD'S Convenant name. The second "Lord" translate the Hebrew word " ADONAI. A Title usually given to Yahweh in the old testament.

Now I'm asking this to understand who Jesus really is?. I remember Jesus asked the scribes this question. *if the Messiah is David's Son why then did David Call him Lord?" I'm still curious and want to know.

Because if that verse is true, it means Jesus is not just a prophet as our Muslim brothers will want us to believe.

I will like the Muslims to also contribute in this. Who is this Jesus that even a King Calls him "Lord". Not just Lord as in Lord. But a title that was reserve and used for Yahweh in the old testament. That is ADONAI.


Is this Jesus truly more than just a prophet?


Dear Muslims I need your reply to that verse and Jesus Question to the Scribes.

achorladey:
You know who you are

achorladey:
You no go wriggle free. It is a locked in discussion



My question was do they love God the FATHER. I know in that trinity doctrine there is God the Father. Do they love God the FATHER?

Since you find it difficult to answer. Do they love Jesus? Does loving Jesus, mean they hate the Father?

achorladey:
The name of the religious organization you belong states Jehovah’s witnesses.

Jesus your master last instruction to the disciples as captured in Acts 1:8 is to speak or bear witness about who?

When we tell you to learn, you'll be doing agidi and be finding ways to prove what is not.
Pls shey Lord na personal/proper name for God/any person or just title? kola learn! What's the difference between Jesus being Lord of Lords and king of kings? Learn!

Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLV
[36]“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

Acts 2:34-35 KJV
[34]For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
[35]Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Baba learn! LORD in the above verses refers to YHWH while Lord to Jesus. This shows that God the Father, YHWH is superior.

Even God is a title, it means mighty and strong one in Hebrew perspective. That's why Paul acknowledge many gods but he only believed and worshipped one, the Father! Learn

NKJV
For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved.”

achorladey:
Paul said in Romans 10:11,12.....
For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”+ 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek.+ There is the same Lord over all, who is rich* toward all those calling on him.


Same Paul

1 said there is actually to us one God,+ the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

So how come your

For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.”

Romans 10 :13 all of a sudden the same Lord becomes LORD JEHOVAH

Emphasis on Lord becoming LORD. Don't forget there is only one Lord

Steep:
This one na mumu talk abeg!

The only name way God approve for salvation nah Jesus name

Steep:
It means to speak of something or someone.

danielinyang:
This has been a very important topic amongst believers and most especially the youths, I've wrote a piece that may be helpful for those believers here https://www.danielinyang.com/2022/01/how-to-overcome-lust-of-eyes.html

Steep:
Many will come in Jesus name to deceive, sounds like watch tower.
Jesus said the true worshippers will near witness of him, jwo bear witness of Jehoavh not Jesus.
Jesus said salvation is in him not in a group whether true or not, salvation is not by attaching yourself to a group neither a group thing.

The God of Israel is Jehovah. How would you know God's name when you don't know him at all.
God brought salvation through Jesus.
It's necessary to know both God and his son for our salvation... eternal life.

John 17:3
[3]And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

Romans 10:13
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved.”

NKJV
For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”

2 Timothy 1:9
[9]For God saved us and called us to live a holy life. He did this, not because we deserved it, but because that was his plan from before the beginning of time—to show us his grace through Christ Jesus.

Learn you know wan learn.
You be Achorladey 's puppet Abi

Steep:
I know. Even the verse he read says Jesus is the way not Jebovah witness organization
If you ask them what name should one call on to be saved? They will say Jehovah!

achorladey:
E pele ti yin sir Mr Nobody101010

achorladey:
E Pele ti yin, Mr Nobody101010



Is it nonsense or not nonsense?

The reason I added.....

It is the same nonsense you are agitating about trying to fathom why many believed it and you have been going back and forth with for two weeks

Learn to follow discussion. Enjoy your nonsense discussion abi?




When those who you are in discussion with come to defend trinity with that same Bible and don't let go their belief of the TRINITY, You go on and said they are YAWNING NONSENSE to you . The Bible don't have mouth to say they are YAWNING nonsense literally to it or the Bible don't have mouth to say literally that they don't dance to his TUNE.

You go learn last last.

achorladey:
Chai Apostates are semi atheists

achorladey:
What is the meaning of apostate?

achorladey:
I told you earlier learn. You no gree. You have come around to admit your initial stands.

I told you it was a mistake bro. If you can't accept a simple apology that's your problem. I was referring to your posts as craps not your person!

But you know 144,000 are the only ones going to heaven and they are all dominated by members of Jehovah's Witnesses? You agree?

Those are people God will choose from every part of the world. The kingdom consists of anointed people that had died from the time of the early church till now.
Na every body de go heaven? Show us from the Bible?

Bible teaches that the kingdom will rule the earth. Who will they rule on?

It is of no use to what I ask you above.

Good you know that. My point is, those things written online are they the works of Achorladey?

I don't know. I no be witch, you fit de disguise

Your problem be like the conversation below:

Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
9 Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also.+ How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Hebrews 1:1-4
[1]Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.
[2]And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.
[3]The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.
[4]This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.

Colossians 1:15
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
    He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

Don't go about speculating what you don't know. .

I know what I'm saying and it's what the bible teaches. That's why I go about preaching it!

And those who believed in TRINITY do they love God the Father?

Those who believe in Trinity do they know the Father? Don't they erroneous take the Father as Jesus?

But you your religious leaders states the below about the beloved God's truth they cherish

That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel." Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 p.20

This ain't what we were discussing. We were talking about praying, who do we pray to....

MaxInDHouse:
A spiritual INJECTION that's synonymous with the TRUTH is the cause!
When people feel like learning something and they later discovered that what they've learned is causing some form of restraint, nice and kindhearted people will back out telling everyone around them how difficult it is. But evil people won't rather they will like to stay and change the standard. So when they now find out that they can't change the standard they will start going about telling others that everything about the standard is evil.
I remembered a police officer who happens to start studying the same years as i do with the JWs in 1993, we were both making progress until he came to me saying what we're learning has been affecting him.
I asked HOW? He narrated how he used to take bribes at work and other corrupt practices but after about three months into the study it's becoming somehow difficult for him to do things he's been doing for years.
I told him my experience too and we both agreed to stop studying with the JWs.
After so many years we met again and we reminded ourselves of the funny effect of the JW teachings then he said

"do you know that ever since then i've not been attending any church services? I know that what i am learning from those people is the absolute truth even though i found it really hard to cope but i will never raise my tongue against them. They are the true Christians"

Afterwards i never saw him till now but what he told me that day broke my heart.
He is just a police officer but i am a soldier so i said to myself "definitely any member of the JW is far stronger and tougher than i am, i can only fight with weapons and martial arts, my heart is not as hard as one of Jehovah's Witnesses" Matthew 11:12

That's why i came back to face my fears. If those feeble looking men, women, boys, girls, old papas and old mamas can fight the good fight of faith surely Maximus can't do lesser! 1Timothy 6:12

So the Apostates have seen all these but their conscience is disturbing them, instead of them to walk away like that police officer they want to change the standard to soothe their liken and since that's impossible they're hiding to castigate God's people, that's why i always ask them the $1,000,000,000 question:
Have you found a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses?

achorladey:
You see your mode of operation. LIE FIRST........... DENY THE LIE...... ADMIT YOU LIE......... TRY TO SAVE FACE AFTERWARDS

Abeg no vex bro. I didn't intend to put it like that. I wanted to say "your craps" not "you craps"

But you believe 144,000 only goes to heaven and those that are studying the Bible with you already taught you their religious denominations practice the purest form of worship of which include the teaching that most of 144,000 are in heaven already and only the remnant remain here. You understand your beliefs at all? Abi you just pack am put for head without filtering it?

Perhaps you didn't get the whole picture
The first man was created to live, multiply and dominate the earth. We humans have physical bodies unlike angels and other beings in heaven. But Man sinned and through him death, suffering, evil were passed down from generations to generations. Jesus came to restore the perfect life Adam lost and eternal life here on earth.

Did God change His purpose for the earth?
Or will He do everything to restore it back?
Is the kingdom of God the same as heaven?
Is heaven same as paradise?
Will all good people go to heaven and live there forever?
What happens to earth?
Is there anything like new earth?
I'm asking these questions to know what your beliefs are and how to respond your comments

Emphasis on your, did you see my name attached to any blogs online stating TRINITY according to Achorladey? Na me write, create blogs like trinity according to Achorladey? Learn learn

It's online doesn't mean it's biblical or a criterion over the Bible

Just like your present religious organization and leaders do over their +/- 140 years of existence. Manipulate scripture to suit their agenda over the years of existence.
Like someone said, what the Catholic was for centuries and millennium possibly it took your religious organisation half a century to do the COPYCAT Learn.

I didn't get your point

And those who believed in TRINITY do they love God the FATHER?

A. YES

B. NO

C. Free me make I japa.

D. I choose to Learn

They don't seem to know the Father, they rather focus on Jesus. They even say the Father is Jesus. Very unscriptural!

Meaning you have to call Jesus. Without that your prayer no pass your roof.



Since you know David call God without going through Jesus, why did you still exercise faith in Jesus instead of just going directly to God. Why wasting time and going through different channels

There's only one way or channel to the Father, Jesus Christ. Jesus is always some kind of middle man to God.