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MaxInDHouse:
They thought Christianity is about welcoming all ideas in the name of Jesus Christ!

Rosement:
I warned you to stop but you kept criticizing.
Make your words clear, What is wrong with the word "lecturer".

Rosement:
You guys might be like masqueraders and witches but that does not mean we are interested in criticizing you guys, even if you decide to celebrate your halloween day, we will not stop you. We are ready to accommodate you guys, as long as you don't go around looking for trouble.

Emusan:
Do you also know that the 1914 belief you carry for head like gala was once someone idea about the second coming of Christ.
They were wrong in their calculation. It's not like they worship statues or holy Mary.

Or you thought 1914 was Russell's initial idea?
I know bout the history....


The same Apostles told us that Jesus is God and uncreated.
Lol where?



Are you exempted?




Just imagine Jws that never study Bible on his own asking another person this question.
You know how many sleepless night wey i don have in the course of searching for the truth? Speak for yourself bro!


So all the watchtower and awake publications you depend on are all your OWN opinions



Inasmuch they don't contradict the bible it's good

Moment of truth: How many times have you done like the Berea people by questioning all watchtower teachings from the scripture?
Google fit answer that question

Hypocrite! But instead you will defend the organization rather than standing for the truth of God's word.
Bro what's the truth of God?

Rosement:
You are free to preach your own religion but not to disrespect other's religion. Anyone that accepts jw's faith should simply convert, instead of trying to change the doctrines of other religions.

Not just me, my family members are literates. If me and you start arguing about qualifications, you will cry. You that cannot even stand near my younger sister. Even my brother is doing his PhD program and he is about to become a lecturer like mum.

This your claim in bold is somehow "lecturer"?

Common sense did not tell you that Russell, the bloke that created your group in the late 1870s was an ignorant man. You are just embracing his words of ignorance blindly and looking for every means to backup his lies. What sense does that make? Anyway, that is your personal problem, I really don't care. You are entitled to your own belief and opinions but you have no the right to disrespect other's beliefs. Stop trying to force those lies Charles told you guys on us.

We Christians are not dump or gullible, a mere, ungodly man cannot just instruct us, we read our Bible daily and only follow what is in our Bible. I understand the Trinity very well, I am not those your friends or neighbours but there is no reason for me to argue with you because I am not interested in fetching water into a basket. Arguing with you is even pointless, it can be compared to Messi or Ronaldo arguing with grassroot players and trying to explain why they are better. People can see the clear difference already. If I argue with you, it is just as if I am adding a little value to something that is completely valueless.

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Thank you for the compliment ma
Are JWs Muslims?

What is the point of the agrument? It is not as if any true Christian will fall for your lies and some of your jw brothers are even realising the truth and converting to Christianity, so your argument is so pointless. The same way KFC advertise their products without emphasizing on or comparing themselves to a road side eatery but they are still able to attract customers easily without bending their standards. That is the same way it is pointless for Christians to agree with you guys because only empty barrels that make noises.


24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

These verses in bold are contrary to your post
I hope you understand now, do have a nice day!

Rosement:
Relevation 1:8
Jesus called Himself God in the Bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

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Woman try reading the chapter from verse 1-8 from other translations. You would see that it was God being referred to as the Almighty

Twisting of life. Anyway, I don't blame you, Russell, your master has limited you guys. Perhaps, you only finished primary school because anybody that understands English will definitely understand this verse, even a five years old will interpret this verse properly.

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You wey no read pass jss3 how you take de understand KJV English. If you want proper understanding of the Bible compare verses with various bible translations. KJV won't do you much good


I have told you I am not forcing you to learn. Just stop criticizing and insulting the Christian doctrine and follow the religion your level of IQ allow you to understand. Why are you fetching water into a basket? What will your criticisms do? It can't change anything so your arguments are pointless, the truth is very clear. Nobody Christian will bow to your words, they are just empty words without points.

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See i grew up in environment where people around me believe in Trinity. You only believe in Trinity not because you understand its concept but your made to think that it's mystery or you need to believe by the spirit of God. Bla bla ba. Muslim don covert trinitarians don convert.


Just use your common sense, would you like it or keep quiet if we Christians open threads to insult or criticize your group, just because we don't agree with your beliefs? Your belief is really none of our business, practice your doctrines in peace and stop disturbing, that is all we are asking from you.

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Your the funniest person I've ever met on planet earth. You no see my post or the heading? Is that criticizism? Or i use letter call you?

If you want to preach your belief, preach it. You don't have to criticize others religion before you preach yours.

Rosement:
If you are not forcing your lies on others, then stop criticizing Christianity. Jesus, the Son is Equal with the Father. This is our belief and we will continue to belief this. You are free to convert if you don't accept. We really don't care, don't expect our doctrines to change because of you.

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I'll address your post base on equality of God and Jesus Christ and I'll address other points later. What does the bible really say?
1 Corinthians 11:3
[3]But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God (the Father).
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

Jesus claimed that all authority was given him by the Father. Who's greater the Father or the son? The one who gives or the one who received?


Jesus called Himself God in the Bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

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This is misinterpretation. Pls read the verses again.
Revelation 1:1,8
[1]This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,
[8]“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God. “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
Note from verse 1 that it was a revelation from God to Jesus. God gave him the revelation. One YHWH is the Almighty God. Jesus never claimed that.


(John 5:16-23)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

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Jesus never claimed to be God but God's son.
John 10:36
[36]why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world. Pls read from verse 30
The Truth is Jesus is a God (mighty one) but not the Almighty GOD that has no beginning.
I'll post you a link later if you want to know what the Hebrew mean when the say God. Hebrew perspective of God. It's so important sister.




Jesus said that He is the son of God, He never said the Son is less than the Father, instead He even explained that the Son is equal with the Father. His dependency on His Father does not mean that He is less than His Father, it only explains the difference between their roles, just like husbands and wives have different roles to perform in their families. The Jews understood what He meant very well that was why they wanted to kill Him.

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When he claimed to be directly from the Father like God is his biological father, why wouldn't they think he was claiming to be God. Won't God give birth to God?
But the fact is a husband has authority over his wife and they actually depend on each other. But God is never dependent on Jesus. Cos everything Jesus have was given to him by the Father.

(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."
They are not one as God but one in purpose.
John 17:21-22
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
[22]“I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, they are all equal. It was only when Jesus was in the world that He considered Himself lower than God because He came to the world fully in human form, not in His Godly form.

(Philippians 2)
6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

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He was in the form of God not the Almighty God Himself.
Jesus could claim equality but that would make him a rebellious son to God who made him everything he is. The fact is; in heaven after God is Jesus.


(Matthew 28)
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

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God gave him all powers which shows that God is superior to him.



People have been worshipping Jesus since the time He was born. He wants us to worship Him as God, there are a lot of verses in the Bible where Jesus allowed people to worship Him. Follow your own religion. Bible is for Christians, we will continue to read and believe what will see in our Bible. We don't read the books of other religions, talkless of debating their doctrines or books.

tctrills:
Should we first agree on a definition before going into the scripture

tctrills:
That's my point. Simeon found Christ because he followed the teachings of the prophets. That is the idea of the entire old testament, to led the Jews to Christ. Only very few got the message. Let us not be like the Jews in Jesus time and miss the message of the old testament

tctrills:
Never forget Acts 10.43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.

Samuel clearly knew about him.
Also, never forget
Revelation's 19.10 For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Every one of them knew about him.
Don't forget that the same spirit we have now was with them in times of old.
2peter1.21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

Emusan:
So you agreed that those date pop out by your founder Charles Taze Russell predecessors are mistakes out of overzealousness not that they actually read it from Bible nor being told by Jehovah.

Yet they attached it to Jehovah as they are directed by Him.

tctrills:
Amos 3.7 Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing
without revealing his plan
to his servants the prophets.
Did God reveal his secrets to Abraham?
The Lord revealed Christ to his prophets. How do you think Simeon was able to know Christ?
The men of old knew more than most of us know today.

tctrills:
Who is a prophet? Define a prophet.

tctrills:
Who is a prophet? Define a prophet.

tctrills:
All prophets testified of Christ. He knew my brother.
You cannot be a prophet without having a tesimony of Jesus Christ

tctrills:
All prophets testified of Christ. He knew my brother.

tctrills:
I agree. But because of faith, they shall be partakers of the blessingame also.

tctrills:
Is that nor the same faith of every Chistian? Like them our faith is that God sent Christ to save us. What is the difference.
Again they all testified of him. Unless they were false witness, they couldn't testify of what they didn't know.
They knew of Christ hence every prophet testified of him.

tctrills:
Let's not argue over everything. I agree with you, no one received salvation before Christ came but that was why I taught you about faith. Let's read some verses from Hebrew 11

1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
We learn from 13 that they may not have received the promises in their lifetime but it does not mean these promises wouldn't come to pass.

tctrills:
No.. the point was that them of old did not know Christ

tctrills:
No.. the point was that them of old did not know Christ

tctrills:
Do you know what faith is. Faith is believing in things that are not yet seen

tctrills:
now open your mind. If Jesu's told you that no one can enter the kingdom without being born of water and the spirit and then in another place he told you that Abraham and all the prophets would be in the kingdom. What more does he need to tell you for you to know that they are born again

cornelboy tctrills:
Lol it's there bro i want to sleep.

John 3:5
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

The criterion for entering the kingdom of God is being born again in other words born of the spirit or baptized by the spirit.

Not Jesus sacrifice. You really try gan by trying to make me believe that being born again has to do with Jesus' sacrifice.

tctrills:
John 3:5
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

The criterion for entering the kingdom of God is being born again in other words born of the spirit or baptized by the spirit.

Not Jesus sacrifice. You really try gan by trying to make me believe that being born again has to do with Jesus' sacrifice.

tctrills:
This is what Isaiah knew about Jesus Christ. How is it different from what you know.
53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

tctrills:
The scripture you quoted proves that sin's are forgiven by Jesus sacrifice and not by animals.
So either God was fooling them of old into believing that the animals would pay for their sins or he was teaching them about the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Like I said all these where done in preparation for the great and final sacrifice.

tctrills:
read and stop disgracing yourself bro

Luke 13:28

In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

I have shown this to you over ten times now. Are you even reading anything I write? Or you Just argue for the sake

tctrills:
Everyone that ever believed in Christ since the creation would be saved by him. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.
The sacrifice of Christ is able to save those before christ and those after him. That is why the prophets of old would be in the kingdom of God like the bible said.

tctrills:
John 5:46

For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
Hebrews 10:28

Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

tctrills:
You are free to believe God's word or not. Assignment for you, please find just one verse that shows the prophets of old did not know about Christ.