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Where is the lie?

Emusan:
When you'll even realize that the title of this thread is "Are Jehovah witness right about their belief AGAINST blood transfusion?"

The audacity to lie openly without shame is what is so baffle me most.

Is God an angel?

Rosement:
Jesus was always with the Father as what? Is it as an Angel?

So?

Nelidee:
Why the long talk?

I agree with you. I said stand there and watch your loved one cry and die.

Meanwhile, just have it at the back of your mind, that in Bulgaria, the case is different for the bros & sis there. They are allowed by your 7 holy men in Warwick to transfuse blood, save their loved ones and go home happy.

Isn't that nice?

[quote author=MaxInDHouse, tctrills post=109574906]YES! I said it but as you can see Cornelboy is still progressing in his study he will surely see reasons why i said the religion that came with killing of none believers came from Satan the Devil. Jesus never taught us to hurt anyone even if they wish to hurt us! Luke 9:51-56 [/quote]It's obvious that their practices are not of God of the Bible and some of their actions in the past are diabolical.

Bro i don't need to get to a level before understanding God truth and reasoning on the bible.
Na Max writing be that no be my own.

Do you think the Catholics are honouring and obeying the bible with their practices?

tctrills:
Did you read what MaxInDHouse just wrote? He said you are still progressing. You have not yet gotten to the level. I guess I am sorry for having this discussion with you now. I would wait for you to get to the level then we would have this discussion again.

Kobojunkie is not one of my brothers abeg na. I believe in Jehovah God if you don't na your problem. I'm not taking chance

I never said the devil created the Catholic church or they are devils. If i did quote me.

tctrills:
That's the chance you are taking and not a fact you know. Your beliefs are contradictory. Less than an hour ago, one of your brothers Kobojunkie finally confessed that he doesn't believe the canonization of the bible was of God. Did you read it?
You cant accept the catholic to be the church of the devil and then accept a gift from the devil.

I don't believe in 7 gods but Jehovah God.
They did not practice blood transfusion to intentionally kill their loved ones but rather obey God's commandments bout blood.
Blood transfusion is a science invention and it's clearly against God's commands about blood.
You could contract diseases like hepatitis through the process.
Even it's been proved that bloodless surgery are better.
There are cases where mass transfusion if blood killed the patients.
Your opinion is respected bro.

JWs put their trust in God.
You don't have to condemn them for the practice.

Nelidee:
No need to ask me all these subliminal brainwashing questions that they've thought you people to ask in your week meetings. Save it. It doesn't work on me.

God forbid, but if your loved one needs blood... please stand there and watch the person die. But while you do that, have it at the back of your mind that your fellow brothers and sisters in Bulgaria are free to transfuse blood and save the life of their loved ones and go home happy and there is no penalty or conscience pep talk given to them by your 7 god's in Warwick.

They are aware and they support it.

Both the Torah and injeel made me believe.
Your not wrong. There are some verses in the Koran that can make you believe in Christ than Mohammed.

The fact is the bible is what we have today. God words endured....

tctrills:
God for you. The Torah Led you to Christ. I know a Muslim that the Quran led to Christ. And Paul did not need a book to come to God. Obviously, God moves in mysterious ways.

Thanks bro. Would you kill someone because you needed to save your live or rather trust Jehovah God?

Nelidee:
Be there deceiving yourself.
If you like, allow your loved one to die as a result of a silly policy from 7 men in Warwick.

Just have it at the back of your mind that while you are there forming obedience to your 7 god's in Warwick, your fellow brothers and sisters in Bulgaria are allowed to transfuse blood and save the lives of their loved ones and be happy.

You ended up criticizing this thread.
I won't address your post for now.
Trinity is not a concept you can address in a post. But look out for my next thread, it will be bout Trinity.

baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
This verse didn't prove Trinity, it could if it was in the form;
"..name of God the Father, and of God the son and of God the holy spirit".

Jesus is a/the mighty God but not the Almighty GOD who is the only true God. John 17:3. Maybe you need to know what God (EL) means in Hebrew since we serve the God of the Hebrews. You'll sure need to Hebrew perspective of the word 'God'.

Jesus didn't tell the devil to worship him but Jehovah. The devil wouldn't dare to tempt the Almighty GOD because it's said that God cannot be tempted.
Even Jesus said "you shall not tempt the LORD your GOD", yet Satan tempted Jesus. Is Jesus the Almighty GOD YHWH?

The worship the three wise men and Thomas did was just prostration and they didn't take Jesus as the Almighty God but the messiah the Almighty GOD sent.
Trinity doctrine is a trick that causes confusion. Some are made to believe that one God works in three office while some believe that three persons (Gods) work as one God, while others believe Jesus is the same God of the old testament that sent him.

"Jesus is the Messiah, He is God but He made Himself a full human being and came into the world."

This is mere human assumption. You can't prove this statement from the Bible. Rather God sent Jesus his only begotten son to the world.
Jesus said that he was with the Father from the beginning. He had a preexistence. This statement could prove that Jesus life began on earth.
Jesus reconciled us to His Father not to himself.

[quote author=Rosement bepost=109571720]This thread is so disgusting. After, I have answered your questions, I don't expect you to still be criticising Christianity or arguing with others about the Christian doctrine. Christianity is different from jw. Christians worship Jesus, jws don't.

Trinity- The Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are equal but they have different roles to perform, just like husbands and wives have different roles to perform in the family.

This is the verse where Jesus referred to Trinity.
(Matthew 28:18-19)
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jesus is the Messiah, He is God but He made Himself a full human being and came into the world.
This is the prophesy about the Messiah.
(Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This is where Jesus claimed that He is the Messiah.
(John 4:25-26)
25. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Jesus rebuked the devil when the devil tempted Him. He said "Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve." Why did Jesus not rebuke people when they were worshipping Him, why did He permit them to worship Him instead if He (the only begotten Son of God) is not equal with God? Will He have permitted people to worship Him if He is an angel of God and not God Himself?

This is the verse where Jesus made someone worship Him.
(John 9:33-38)
33. If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.
34.They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36. He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

This is the verse that proves that Jesus was worshipped even when He was a baby.
(Matthew 2:11) And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.[/quote]

If the Torah had been completely lost, there's no way i would have believed in Jesus as the messiah or God Himself.

I would be atheist now. I could only believe if i had that supernatural encounter from Jesus like Paul.

It's obvious that the Catholics of this generation are not following God's will and commandments.
If not for the OT how would we know what sins against God are?

The word of God endured...

tctrills:
First Jesus did not teach the doctrine of the Torah so if the Pharisees and scribes changed it, still wouldn't have changed Christianity the true way of God. We both know that the Torah would not lead us to God so why would they have changed it. It's a waste of time.
ITs not written anywhere that God must do everything to protect the bible. I gave you evidence of many books quoted in the bible that are lost, God did not protect them. Even if all the bibles in the world are lost God would always reach his people. He didn't need a bible to call Moses or Abraham. Saul did not read a bible on the way to Damascus.

If you are a Catholic, let's know.
The pharisees and scribes were in charge of the law and all that yet they blindly or intentionally teach man made doctrines.
They don't need to change the Torah before they could teach their false doctrines since it wasn't available for everyone.
If God truly exist, he would do anything to preserve His holy book.
Mind you, i didn't say the Catholics are devils.
Despite having the bible with them they chose to do against it.

tctrills:
I never said you are empowered by satan. And I Love what you wrote,
God is the opposite of Satan. How can Satan be promoting God's Truth?[color=#770077][/color]. If like you guys believe, the catholic church is of the devil, he wouldn't promote God's words.

Again I understand you need to believe that God somehow preserved the bible. That can only be true if the Catholic church isn't of the devil. It is not in the nature of God to hand over holy things to the devil. And we cant expect Good from the devil.
So it's up to you to decide if the catholic church is of the devil or if the bible is preserved. You cant choose both. And it seems you have no way of knowing so for you, it's a game of chance. You are hoping the catholic church did no harm to the bible but you would never know. Maybe you should ask God in prayer because you don't seem to have an answer to this.

Jesus later would later explain the parables.
Why don't you create your thread so that people can comment on it? Then I'll know your really interesting in preaching God's Truth

achorladey:
The mode or means of propagation of the truth no be ONE route. Correct?

Jesus teach in parables to propagate the truth correct?

Jesus teach the truth using questions without answering them correct?



Mature food belongs to adult that is why you are here in the first place.



Me I am here to play AYO olopon

You no dey catch fun again like you said earlier on this thread?

Let's stop playing games bro.
Luke 11:18
[18]You say I am empowered by Satan. But if Satan is divided and fighting against himself, how can his kingdom survive?

God is the opposite of Satan. How can Satan be promoting God's Truth?
God preserved the bible His inspired words.

tctrills:
as I said, your worship and believes are products of chance. you are trusting in the devil and hoping he did no wrong to the bible. isn't that a form of devil worship?

The content and the truths of the Bible was not written by Catholics or Martin Luther, grow up bro. I think we are all adult. You should rather focus on proclaiming God's Truth.

I'm not here to play chess game

achorladey:
Good you respect God's truth propagated by Martin Luther of which those truth have done more harm than good. Is the volume ok

He didn't claim that it was prophecy from Jehovah. But rather a prediction from the time bible gave.

Emusan:
Which means, it's not from Jehovah. Yes or No!



Which leads to using their human initiative and not based on the word of God the Bible



Lie...

Paul didn't, just say you didn't understand Paul letter

Could this be the same reason for Russell failed prediction?

Lol. It was wrong prediction from miscalculation. They were eager for Christ to come with his kingdom.
Even Paul taught Jesus would return in their time.

Emusan:
So how did he know Jesus has come?



Some finally, there was actually a DATE yet your brother max was arguing blindly in other thread that someone should provide a quote from publication where Russell or WTBTS ever made wrong predictions



Which means, it's just pure Russell initiative and not from Jehovah.

This is interesting.

Lol what i know already from the Bible is enough for my salvation and pure worship to God and righteous living.

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tctrills:
Unfortunately, you have no way of knowing what was removed or added. You can only hope and pray and your worship becomes a product of chance. You are taking a bet on the devil's church to do the right thing.
The devil had a chance to remove from the bible and he did not. the devil is now born again. I showed you many books that were lost. So if you don't know, now you know.

Lol what i know already from the Bible is enough for my salvation and pure worship to God and righteous living.

tctrills:
Unfortunately, you have no way of knowing what was removed or added. You can only hope and pray and your worship becomes a product of chance. You are taking a bet on the devil's church to do the right thing.
The devil had a chance to remove from the bible and he did not. the devil is now born again. I showed you many books that were lost. So if you don't know, now you know.

Bro calm down. The Catholics are not literally devils, they are human like us. But what they did and are still doing are against the Bible you say they canonized.

tctrills:
According to you, the devil, the master con man, father of lies, and enemy to God had the bible solely in his hands for over a thousand years and he did not falsify or corrupt it. You want to believe that the devil is that nice. He even canonized it properly for you. That must have been the devil in his best behavior. If you can believe this I wonder what you wouldn't believe.

JWs are always doing things that honours Jehovah's name.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks to JEHOVAH my brother!

These people don't believe in God and they're out to discourage anyone from putting trust in God. Matthew 23:13

A diligent study of God's word has taught us that God often forgive and forget the past errors of imperfect humans {Numbers 14:18; Micah 7:18} surely God is talking about those that committed grievous blunders in pure worship but later made a U-turn not wicked and unrepentant evildoers who will like to silence God's servants sent to correct them!
So if the Catholic Church has practiced paganism in the past what now happens to those living in our time who wouldn't make any effort to change the old tradition?
That's why God said such ones will answer for all the errors of their past leaders! Exodus 34:7

If Russell and his team celebrates Christmas in their time and through the intensive study of those that continue as International Bible Students Association discovered that Christmas is of pagan origin and stopped it are they not different from those who have kept it for centuries and continue telling people it's Jesus' birthday?

Thanks Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
The truth of the matter is that there were few members of the Catholic who served the Pope wholeheartedly thinking they're working for God.
Such persons were used because they were sincere but the Catholic Church on it's own is pure paganism that nobody can change.
That's why they have not stopped bowing down to images, using rosaries, praying to saints and so many other forms of paganism!

When i first heard of Jehovah's Witnesses i tried to find out their mission and i discovered they have made lots of mistakes in the past but they're fast making amendments that's why i submitted to their doctrines.
Today i can boldly say it anywhere, any day and before anybody that only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth if anyone has a better performing group let them present it.
But coming to tell me that you don't know a better performing group yet criticizing the one i have found i'll tell you NO! 2Timothy 3:14

Truth is i don't want to have unfruitful argument with a Muslim or an atheist.

tctrills:
That's not nice and it's a bit awkward coming from a JW. First, your brothers on Nairaland believe they are the only Christians and all others worship the devil (one of your brothers told me as much). So it's clear you guys don't believe that there are other Christian. In fact one of your brothers said. You guys don't worship the same god as other Christians.

Also, I think is disrespectful for you to try to walk me out of a thread just because I did not tell you about my church. Learn to be more tolerant. I predicted correctly, you would start to hate me like your brothers. It's not yet 24 hours and you are kicking me out of the thread.

Finally, I have not presented any other religion here. I have only discussed Christian values here.

Thank Jehovah they didn't reedit and remove truths from the Bible. But they hid it from the masses instead so that they can spread their lies.
I believe God preserved His words.
I read the ones available bro. Not all the contents though.

tctrills:
The 66 books were canonized by the catholic. The Catholics chose these 66 books over all the other books. And trust me, you have not read half of the other books. In fact, most are lost forever. Let me educate you on the lost books or the ones we know that are lost.

following: book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14).

I have many more to send to you but do your research on these first.

None of these are found in your modern bible. Now if the Catholic church is truly of the devil, imagine what the would have removed and what they would have added

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=109567676]1. For the umpteenth time, there are no such things as pure doctrines and traditions where your churches are concerned. The Gospel taught by Jesus Christ's apostles is found written of in the books of Matthew , Mark, Luke, and John. However, the doctrine and traditions taught by by Catholic church(and other movements that sprang up around the same time as it did) and inherited by all its offshoots are instead built of ideas and rules of men. JW church happens to be one of those churches that sprang from the mother churches and their doctrines.

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They rejected all their false doctrines that are clearly against the Bible.

2. Same way a "sane" person would believe Jesus Christ, the one who announced his return would be seen by everyone on earth, came in 1914 and was only seen by one man, the one who later build a Jw church empire here on earth. [

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He didn't claim he saw Jesus in 1914 but he gave a wrong date for the coming of Christ. It wasn't a prophecy but a miscalculation!/quote]

"Respect" not "love".
I love God's Truth. I safely keep it in my heart like treasure. And search for more truth like digging up gold mines.

achorladey:
Then you love the more evil than Good that they do. Remember you just said you love Martin Luther more than the Catholics some hours ago Correct?

You just dey start to reason.

I'll be very glad they are other christians that completely reject Catholics lies.
I didn't come to attack people but preach bible's truth!

achorladey:
Then your Jehovah’s witnesses na overhype they are not the only one with God's truth since many others teach things that agrees with the Bible of which they quote

Learn you no gree. Reason, you think na child's play for nairaland.

If your not a christian pls go to your religion thread.

tctrills:
I am not sure that only Christians are allowed to discuss the bible. You don't need to be sure what I am. What I am does not matter and I am surprised that it's bothering you.

That's the thing with Nigerians on Nairaland. they always want to define you. Are you Igbo or Yoruba, APC or PDP? cant you just judge my words and not my person because you don't know me.

I didn't pluralize the "religion"

achorladey:
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Oga cornelboy carry your problem go front. I no carry problem come here.



How many religion you don see me attack. . Make una learn to dey post or proofread your post before posting.

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You think I am like your brother who goes about giving calling people false Christians, lie lie Christians e.t.c simply because they don't dance to their tune or doctrines



Had you taken your time to read post here you would have seen it on this same thread.

JWs they kill their member?

achorladey:
You want to learn how to reason see how I rephrase your post quoted above


If the Jehovah’s witnesses organisation has held the pure doctrines of the early apostles and church, there wouldn't be need for those JWs Call APOSTATES today. There won't be division in Christianity too.

But when THEY(WTBTS) think they can just bring doctrines that are clearly against the Bible, why won't there be division?

You see am. No dey look from one side of the DIVIDE na same soap all of them dey use.

See for example........

WTBTS said EXCOMMUNICATION or DISFELLOWSHIPPING is a pagan custom and SATANIC practiced by the CATHOLIC to kill members who don't support whatever the pope says.

Some years later Jehovah’s witnesses pick up EXCOMMUNICATION and DISFELLOWSHIPPING and say it is no longer a PAGAN custom and DEVILISH. Oga cornelboy who dey deceive who?

I be yahoo boy, i wan use your religion for ritual
What do you preach then? I'm not even sure if you are a christian.

tctrills:
Haba My brother, am I not allowed to decide what I want to keep personal on a public forum? I am not here to preach for any church And I am beginning to wonder why you are so keen to know my church. you have asked about five times now

I can quote anything that agrees with the bible.
What's your religion, which one preaches God's Truth?

achorladey:




Looking from one side of the divide as always. Are you aware Jehovah’s witnesses make use of Bible commentaries of these people you say don't search and study the scripture including works of Catholic theologians to support their doctrines?

E.g when the religious organization you are studying with quote Bible commentaries and explanations from Albert barnes to support their doctrines is Albert Barnes a student of that Jehovah’s witnesses religious organization? Did he learn anything from them?

Do you know Albert Barnes (December 1, 1798 – December 24, 1870) was an American theologian, clergyman, abolitionist, temperance advocate, and author. Barnes is best known for his extensive Bible commentary and notes on the Old and New Testaments, published in a total of 14 volumes in the 1830s.

Sit down there to talk about probably even Russell admit they didn't develop any special truth na alakanpo dem dey use.



You see this one in bold ehn I just dey look the direction you go soon take.