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achorladey:
Which came first, Catholicism or Martin Luther?

Do you respect the Catholic too for their works regarding the Bible too?

Learn? Lol your funny aswear. Na you need learning. Learn how to humble yourself. Your full of ego and pride, yet your nothing.
You said i was contending but your not when it obvious that we were both in it.
Hypocrite!

achorladey:
It is a a forum, nairaland forum. Understand what it is. You don't have to invite me.

I have only brought a scripture cited into close examination. Learn.

You probably don't know the whole story. The 66 books are the canonical books.
I have read the other books. They don't align with the messages in the 66 books.
You think Mary Magdalene could have written a book or Jesus secretly reveals things to her?
It's obviously the work of another person many years later after Jesus' death.

tctrills:
That's the point. Let's assume you are right. Yet the bible as we know it was collected and abridged by them. The Catholics decided what got into the bible. they decided to make the new testament 27 books even though many more books were written by the apostles. So if you think they are really of the devil how come you are comfortable believing their bible.
That's the point I am making. We criticize the Catholics but we somehow believe they did right with the bible. Somehow, you believe the Catholics were right in omitting so many books from the bible

Not correct! They are probably the only christian folks searching and studying the Bible to bring out the Truth.
Maybe you know a Christian organization that preaches only God's Truth. Perhaps you could say the Catholics

achorladey:
Na you get your time. It is available for your expense.



Me I know you sabi dem pass me I go soon define apostasy according to their dictionary for you. Time go come.



Some lacks it and find it difficult to learn or keep their cool



Good you know and the religion of the Jehovah’s witnesses is among those peddling "different beliefs". Correct?

How is telling me the name of your religion relate to your personal life?

tctrills:
Unless you get to know me personally, I am not one to discuss my personal life on a forum. you don't need to know my religion to debate with me.

If the Roman Catholic church has held the pure doctrines of the early apostles and church, there wouldn't be need for JW today. There won't be division in Christianity too.
But when they think they can just bring doctrines that are clearly against the Bible, why won't there be division?

How would a sane person believed Mary as the mother of God?

Kobojunkie:
William Tynsdale is recorded to have done more to put scripture into the hands of common man than Martin Luther who came after him. Martin Luther, on careful examination, is instead revealed as a man who wanted some of the power and glory in the hands of the Catholic church for himself. And this can be seen from the fact that Martin Luther himself went on to condemn and even see punished others who attempted to free minds from the catholic church just as he did.

Most of the doctrines you practice today in your churches are still rooted in catholic doctrines some going back about 1700 years.

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Nothing suggesting for you a new role model as it is against Jesus Christ to have those to begin with - Matthew 23 vs 1 - 4

Now i see your problem. Your solely here to attack religion even if they are right.
If JWs are workers of lawlessness, why don't you tell us your pure religion so that we can embrace it?

achorladey:
No be today I sabi who you be. When cornered, you look for means to save face even using tags, labels, insult and abuses. You want to use cornelboy as cover



You will always ignore because of the embargo you keep placing and changing by yourself not because of the below.........



Even your religious leaders don't believe they are the ones that will separate sheep from goats and this particular teaching includes one of the many contradictions embedded in your religious organization just like the wheat and weeds



Na to dey pick out the lie in others when yours come to forefront, the next is to call it past truth or light getting brighter as if na brighter grammar. Show me one teaching of the Catholic that it was stated categorically that it is right to kill another Catholic



And Jehovah's Witnesses often carry weapons to kill fellow Jehovah’s witnesses in their own country paapaa and that shows too that they share the same common denominator with Catholics ;DCorrect?



Please don't stop your workers of LAWLESSNESS peddling and your work exposing workers of LAWLESSNESS. When you receive the same treatment don't cry blue murder



Go back to the post you responded to in the morning . You want to start your back and forth kind of regimented thinking abi?

Na your problem o cos i didn't invite you, everyone was giving his own opinion and i was supporting mine.
Nobody was contending with anybody.
Biko

achorladey:
Simple as it is, do you see me quote the law on blood in the first place? Who brought the law of blood into the discussion in the first place?



I am not in an armament race with you make una learn to read and understand.

Do you know Martin Luther? I respect him a lot for what he did to make the bible available for everyone.
Catholicism can't be that same religion the early church practice

tctrills:
You are right, they did not write the bible but they decided what books should be in the bible as we know it today. Remember, there were so many books but the Catholics decided to bring some together and give us the bible as we know it now.
And I would love to have this discussion with you about hell

Who appointed you as the moderator? Lol.
You can use the Bible to prove Trinity without using ideas outside it? We will see in my next post about Trinity.

tctrills:
Sorry bro, I don't discuss my personal religion here. I only discuss doctrines and principles. And I don't think the JW is the worst church. They have their good points.
I do not want to see this forum as a place for marketing any particular church. So, my brother, you may not want to bring up your church here but if you do, you should be ready to hear from me. I would be using the bible to question your opinions.

tctrills:
I noticed one of your JW brothers asking you to be careful of me and I laugh. He might be right though. I would always tell you my opinion even when it's against your religion.

What's your religion, are you a Muslim or a Catholic? And what's the complete teaching?

tctrills:
I One of your people openly called the catholic church the church of the devil. I then reminded him that the bible he uses and believes was put together by the Catholics and the devil is not capable of any good thing so If you call the Catholics to question, you also have to call their bible to question. Your brother went totally crazy because of this. i had to leave him alone for his own good.

You see there's difference in composing the Bible and compiling it. The Catholic didn't write the bible. There was a time they hid the bible from the masses and they were able to spread their lies.

If you don't believe in Trinity, you can't believe Mary as the mother of God.
They have done more harm than good to Christianity.
The first apostles and early church didn't believe in hell fire as a place of suffering after death. Paul, Peter and others didn't preach and warn people about hell.

We were both contending that remains the fact. I said it's this but you said it's not. Abeg let's be straightforward now.
Its not like i was fighting you and you cross your arm.

achorladey:
Good for you.



I am bringing that verse once again to your notice a verse you read and put no cognisance. Now you say its hypocritic to exempt myself. What you forgot is that you brought the law of blood in the first place. I am only reasoning along in order see the sense behind your CONTENTION. You should already know that you should not be contending about the law. That should have been the base knowledge for you before your continuous emphasis on what you shouldn't strive about in the first place.

I'll like to go and read about Apostates.
It's not their modulus operandi, just that we all are different from each other.
Everyone should learn to be cool.
But the fact is the truth of God should be one, not different beliefs out there in Christianity.

achorladey:
You mean you created one with the same moniker? Make I check am. Whatever the case, trinity discussion no dey end. It is alway a case of leaving to continue another day



Of what importance is that to who I am? Maximus also said I am mad, insane, asiere, asinwin, demon, Satan e.t.c another one said I be hobnockers. Wetin e add or remove from who I be?

Na their mode of operation be that when you don't dance to their tune.

Bro i get you. The health journal link on alcohol you want to send who wrote them? Are they not doctors and scientist? And yet they consume it themselves.

tctrills:
Even doctors and scientists take cocaine
It's not about any profession. My message here is just plainly about your health. You are better off without any alcohol in your system.
And it nearly impossible to measure how much alcohol is too much for the body.
If you want, I would send you the links of some health journals so you can update your knowledge of alcohol

Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

tctrills:
I come to nairaland as an individual. I do not represent any church here.
I am not one of those that come here to defend a particular church even when the church is obviously wrong. You can scroll through my past comments to verify.
But as for the blood issue, only my JW brothers know where they got that one from.
Hopefully they would change their position with time

How is that a foolish question bro? It's a simple question and you might choose not to tell me.
Well you obviously know i believe and practice the JW doctrine and I'm currently studying with them.

achorladey:
Will it sit well with you to call it a foolish question?



It is not like you see me asking for yours. Correct?

Thanks bro.
You know my aim is to get someone to the Truth, so one has to be cool, patient and that.
But I'll still like to know what the complete teaching is and the church you belong to. That'll be fair since you know im a JW to be.

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tctrills:
I must commend you though, you are one of the few good men here. You have not been disrespectful even when we disagree. I hope it continues like that because I am sure we would disagree much more in the future.

I created one na 2020. You suppose know the thread sef. Maximus said you were Apostate.

achorladey:
AS you continue your quest to create a thread about TRINITY be ready for the response you will get.

You won't be the first to create such a thread, you won't be the last. Trinity thread is one of the most hot thread here on nairaland religion section. Enjoy all the post and response you will get.

Well even doctors and scientist drink alcohol, no big deal. But if you had health issue on little drinking na to quit na.
Jesus drank acoholic wine. And he knows better than anyone.

tctrills:
I am not criticizing. I am just saying that it's impossible to decide what is moderate for your body. There is not really a very scientific way to measure what constitutes as moderate alcohol intake. For all you know, I might be a drunk. It's not about my personal beliefs or lifestyle but the science behind drinking.

Ona no get good sense of humour jare.
Which teaching complete o and which church do you attend?

tctrills:
I wish you success in your quest for popularity. But then I hope you see the danger of an incomplete teaching. A doctrine that cant stand facts and science. the JW won't take blood but they take plasma derived from blood, and refuse red blood cells also derived from blood

achorladey:
Here you are Jan 19 2022 @ 8:30 pm....




When you say "after being in the truth" what does this mean? What truth are you talking about here?

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You no fit understand bro. While growing up Trinity was a confusion to me. Didn't align with every verse of the Bible and i know say bible suppose no de contradict itself




Here you are contending and striving about the laws on blood and trying to fuse blood transfusion into what is not present in that law.

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We were both contending or whatever. It's hypocritic when you exempt yourself




There is nothing like Christian organization as set up today in the Bible in the first place. Jesus words and his disciples didn't write to Christian organisations as set up today.

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We have lot christian denominations anyhow sha



Matthew 24: 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ(anointed); and shall deceive many.

Many will come and tell you we are the ones Jesus ANOINTED and added that should you fail to eat the imperfect spiritual food they dish out or listen to them, you cannot walk or be on the path/road to EVERLASTING life. Ask the Governing Body of the religious organization you are bringing their doctrines to this platform. They will tell more.

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Eternal life is a free gift from God, we don't work for it. But we have to know and believe in both the one only true God and Jesus Christ His son. John 17:3.
We have to try our every effort to live a righteous life that pleases the Father.

Matthew 7 also dey your Bible read am. You suppose understand.

Make i check am

Kobojunkie Achorladey:
As Jesus Christ told you , lust in your heart after a woman is adultery - this He clearly explained in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 is in no way similar to the Old Covenant definition of the word.

Fornication is not listed as a sin by Jesus Christ. Instead it is listed as the only valid reason given by which a divorce can be obtained by a one who is a follower - Matthew 19 vs 5 - 10.

Make person follow me reason this guy na.

It won't be like other threads
Wait o which church you belong sef?
I think it would be fair if i knew.

achorladey:
AS you continue your quest to create a thread about TRINITY be ready for the response you will get.

You won't be the first to create such a thread, you won't be the last. Trinity thread is one of the most hot thread here on nairaland religion section. Enjoy all the post and response you will get.

What's adultery and fornication?

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! Jesus Christ never said nor hinted at any of the part in bold. See, how easy it is to make up a lie? By thinking yourself clever you attempt there to add your own wisdom to what God said, thereby changing that which God decreed and making up a lie.

What He said was the lust in your heart after a woman is registered as sin. Nowhere else did Jesus Christ suggest sex as sin - None!

See the point is if you don't drink it's all good.
If someone drinks in moderation don't criticize.
And if you can't control yourself, stop drinking.
I don't drink alcohol myself. But i love and drink chilled palm wine moderately.

tctrills:
Thats why we shouldn't drink alcohol. Very dangerous to the health even when you don't get drunk.

Look out for my next thread Trinity
Yeah it's true the first post was copied.

achorladey:
that's what you get when you decide to spy on people's freedom with your DOS AND DON'T LEGALISMS not captured in the scripture.

So it is what it is.

Mature food belongs to those who have trained their minds to distinguish distinguish good from evil.

Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.

Point of application, do you how many fractions, components that have been allowed or accepted, later banned after sometime again accepted, later banned e.t.c. That's how members get tossed up and down like infant on blood matter and masturbation too since the power to decide those policies didn't rest with them and their power to distinguish right and wrong taken away. They remain babes that need milk.

Kids don't have mature minds to know the length and breadth of the issue under discussion here. No be seresere matter Oga. Learn.

You that don't know the policies concerning blood employed by the religious organisations. You doing copy and paste for is telling me I am wasting your time



Last time I checked the Bible you carry, you are not the one giving out spirit to those who seek it. You are limited in knowing how the spirit works Letter kills, spirit gives life


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You see me carry Jehovah's witnesses problem come your house to discuss or I tell you one before? Face discussion, I said it earlier when you come to platform like this post and comments get scrutinized.



When a person believe God is three person will that remove the simple command to Love God and Neighbour?



See your words would be abominable to God in your case. It will be difficult to say is abominable to God without support from the scripture since it is still transfusion we are still discussing here.



Even panadol instructions get side effects. Has the side effects ever stopped you from taking panadol? Oga go look for the numerous person blood transfusion too don help. People wey no do blood transfusion are not immune from getting HIV/AIDS. The high rate of HIV/AIDS is not only by blood transfusion. Reason am Oga cornelboy.



It is foolish question because there are no room for you to manoeuvre. The question on that common denominator still dey there for you to ponder.

Cornelboy go soon popular like burnaboy
I'm not trapped

tctrills:
Sorry seems I did not read it right. The cornelboy got himself trapped in some funny doctrine

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, according to Jesus Christ, it isn't the sex that is sin but instead the lust in the heart after a woman - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28

Q

Abeg make person help me o.

What Jesus meant was that, if you looked at a woman lustfully you have already committed the adultery. How much more having sexual intercourse with her?

(Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
My dear can i ask wise questions?
°The bible, does it teach different beliefs or just one Truth?
°Why is there so many different beliefs today?
°Which of the christian organization beliefs aligns with the Bible?
°Should there be different beliefs among churches?

Incase you don't know, Jehovah witnesses are christians.

Rosement:
Guy, I did not ask you for your personal opinion, do you expect me to be concerned about everybody's beliefs and opinions? Even children have their own personal beliefs and opinions. There is freedom of belief so you are entitled to your own beliefs and others are also entitled to their people. Just try to be responsible and understand.

If I am practicing jw's doctrine instead of my Christian doctrine, how am I a Christian? Christian doctrine is for Christians, anybody that wants to practice jw's doctrine should simply convert. It is not by force, you cannot force people to accept your belief and doctrine by criticising their doctrines. If you need converts so badly, then preach about your religion. You cannot change the Christian doctrine by criticising it, you are just wasting your time. Don't expect me to argue my doctrine with you, I don't participate in pointless arguments.
(Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Do have a nice day!

Dtruthspeaker:
You would not know if I have already overcome all those stupidities.

Anything that's dangerous to your health drop it.
Smoking generally damages the lungs...

tctrills:
Have you noticed that many Christians are comfortable with Alcohol but they have issues with tobacco and Cannabis? How do we reconcile this?