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achorladey:
Atleast Rosement knows Russell worship an IDOL Jesus till his death and made heaven as one of the 144,000 those you say are the only ones going to heaven.

Kobojunkie:
1. Look, call it what yo want but the fact is the Old Covenant is an eternal Covenant/Contract between God and the children of Israel,. Meaning the only two signers to this Covenant/agreement/Contract are God and the Jews, and hence the only ones who can fulfill said Covenant are , you guessed it, God and the children of Israel - no third-parties!

And as Jesus Christ told you there in Matthew 5 vs 17 - 19, He did not come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it.

So, the question to answer is this, did Jesus Christ come as God to fulfill the Law or did He come as a man/Jew to fulfill that Covenant, much like other Jews would.

2. God never promised the Israelites He would do away with the Old Covenant when the New Covenant arrived - both Contracts are everlasting and so remain binding to this day - every jew born into into world even today is born bound to the Old Covenant.

And at that, all Jews who become of Jesus Christ retain their claim to the promise of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant - Yes, they still have claim to the long life in the land of Canaan promised by God to them in the Old Covenant. Ofcourse Gentiles in the New Covenant do not have such a promise to lay claim to..

achorladey:
Do you see me hold your hands saying leave their?



Me I understand what this means as typed by you. . The truth you are in to go from past to present to future truth. It needs adjustment and the light in their must keep getting brighter.

But the same God you serve says the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.




One of such truth returned in 1914 and that the first resurrection is under way. It simply means you believe as people die now they go to HEAVEN straight away. Correct?

achorladey:
Oga use the same standards use for others upon those you call your religious leaders.

Put a Toyota hiace bus in a dark room and keep increasing the intensity of the light in that room, that Toyota hiace bus won't become Hippopotamus when the light gets brighter.

achorladey:
Too bad for God's truth attacking the person to get free.

achorladey:
You go learn......



When evidence is placed before you. You will DENY to save the man made organization by calling it APOSTATE LIES. You know I just dey look you when my post no give you room to manoeuvre. You just look away like sey no be you I mention.






Statistics and the standard use in taking the measurement that they are purest form of worship. This must be God's truth

achorladey:
This your last question below.....



He will jump in and start asking for a better performing group that he himself said is under the influence of Satan and are sinners like every other religious denominations.

achorladey:
And your religious leaders can decide to use the starch of potatoes to cook soup and tell God after downing the soup into their system to his face look we are still abstaining from potatoes

MaxInDHouse:
Na just baptism remain by brother {Matthew 28:20} and regular meeting attendance! Hebrews 10:24-25

Rosement:
That jobless bloke, Russell was the one that brainwashed you guys. You and your father, satan can never silence me. Idol worshippers are idol worshippers, Jesus is not in support of any demonic group. You can decide not to repent but that does not give you the right to criticize the true followers of Jesus, Christians. Who do you think you are? No one will bow or submit to your lies, you are just waiting your useless time. Your useless cult group will continue to go backward.

haybeegold:
In that case a lot of things are false. Science itself is a scam. There is nothing wrong in adjusting your view about something especially when you now have a clearer understanding about something. You expect imperfect humans to be able to explain the meaning of every prophecies from the Bible at a go without any need for adjustment? Jesus even needed to adjust his followers views while he was with them. If you think that is enough reason for you to term their doctrine as false, then good luck finding the perfect one bro

Kobojunkie:
So essentially, you believe Jesus Christ lied when He decreed in Matthew 5 vs 17 - 20 that He did not come to do away with the Old Law?

If Jesus Christ is a liar and His Words don't hold much sway with you, then why do you bother?

Rosement:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Kobojunkie:
The New Covenant does no such thing as you claim. Jesus Christ told you this Himself in Matthew 5 vs 17 - 20. The Old Covenant Law of Moses is as strong today as it was the day Moses ratified it in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 since it is an eternal Covenant.

Why do you have a hard time believing what Jesus Christ teaches you?

Kobojunkie:
Stop beating about!

I already explained that every doctrine that undergoes change - rendering the former obsolete or of no value- amounts to a lie and since every doctrine and tradition of your church remains fluid, they are all of them lies.

Rosement:
Are you so ignorant? Is pest the nickname for apostles of Jesus or followers of Jesus, even masqueraders pester people. "Are Jehovah's Witnesses right about their belief against blood transfusion" is just the title of the thread. If you read the post properly you will find out that it was addressing Christians not jws, the word "Christian" was even specifically mentioned.

Are you not the one criticizing my religion? The fact that your religion is different from you does not give you the right to insult mine, I can't just keep quiet and not react. This is not your father's house, this is a public forum, you need to humble yourself in public, even if you are aggressive at home, try to be assertive in public. Why are you so mannerless and why are you acting as if you own everyone or you have authority over everyone? What kind of silly word is this, how can you say I am ashamed of the Church of God? I don't blame you, instead of you to be ashamed of devil, you are worshipping him with great delight.

Rosement:
Are you so ignorant? Is pest the nickname for apostles of Jesus or followers of Jesus, even masqueraders pester people. "Are Jehovah's Witnesses right about their belief against blood transfusion" is just the title of the thread. If you read the post properly you will find out that it was addressing Christians not jws, the word "Christian" was even specifically mentioned.

Are you not the one criticizing my religion? The fact that your religion is different from you does not give you the right to insult mine, I can't just keep quiet and not react. This is not your father's house, this is a public forum, you need to humble yourself in public, even if you are aggressive at home, try to be assertive in public. Why are you so mannerless and why are you acting as if you own everyone or you have authority over everyone? What kind of silly word is this, how can you say I am ashamed of the Church of God? I don't blame you, instead of you to be ashamed of devil, you are worshipping him with great delight.

tctrills:
Just because we don't believe the same thing doest mean you should go the way of maxindhouse.
In all my argument with you, I have been honest. I have depended entirely on what was written in the bible. And I even offered to stop communication if you are uncomfortable.
When your brother MaxInDHouse indicated he is uncomfortable with our communication, I stopped. Till today, he quoting me but I have remained true to me words. Whenever I see his comments to me, I try not to read them so not to get tempted to break my words.
You feel you have wasted your time because I have a contrary view.
Just let me know if you are getting uncomfortable with our communication and I would stop.

MaxInDHouse:
The Trinity doctrine is from Satan the devil!
The pagan Roman Catholic Church built there teachings around many false doctrines in which TRINITY is number one.
How do you know when a doctrine is demonic? Well it's simple: such a doctrine will never give you a clear understanding so when the adherents are asked thought provoking questions regarding the doctrine they will end up saying "it's a mystery"

Just ask a trinitarian about his/her god he/she will tell you "God the father, God the son and God the Holy Ghost are/is IMMORTAL"
Doesn't that sound as if the trinitarian has gotten something to hold onto?
But ask this same person about humans and judgment, then the trinitarian will tell you that the human soul/spirit is also IMMORTAL!
Then you'll begin to wonder: if that's the case what superiority does the true God have over His creatures if everyone is IMMORTAL?

MaxInDHouse tctrills:
As a reward for their faithfulness, Christ’s anointed brothers (BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS) become kings and priests with him in heaven. (Rev. 20:6) All those who make up the heavenly part of God’s family (JEHOVAH, Jesus and the angels) will be eager to see the 144,000 anointed ones receive their heavenly reward. After telling about these 144,000 kings and priests, the apostle John sees something exciting, “a great crowd” who survive Armageddon. Unlike the first group, this second group is much larger and has no fixed number. (Rev. 7:9, 10) They are “dressed in white robes,” indicating that they have kept themselves “without spot” from Satan’s world and have remained loyal to God and Christ. (Jas. 1:27) They cry out that they have been saved because of what Jehovah and Jesus, the Lamb of God, have done. All the while, they are holding palm branches, which shows that they joyfully acknowledge Jesus as Jehovah’s appointed King.​—Compare John 12:12, 13.

This tctrills is a liar who detests what the Bible teaches.
The other time he said he's just hear to catch fun but he supports anyone speaking against God's organized worshipers saying the doctrine is silly:



And if you ask him about his own Church he will quickly dismiss the question. He ran away from me when i confronted him that the INJECTION of truth has caught up with his deceptive heart so he will continue to hunt JWs as if he has a special interest in God's word but just like Satan the devil who always behave like a snake never read to declare his intentions.

tctrills:
You shouldn't believe more or less. You should only believe what the Bible says. That these men where with Jesus in Mount Zion singing. Every other thing is an addition.

If you believe only what the Bible says then we can't be having this argument because the bible didn't say it they are the only ones in heaven or not. The Bible did nothe even suggest it in any way.

tctrills:
We can both agree that no verse said anything about it. No verse said they would be the only ones or not. If we agree on this at least we have some progress

tctrills:
I don't know why there would be a need. I don't know things that have not been revealed. I only quoted
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


What has been revealed is enough for me

tctrills:
If you can point me to any verse in the bible and tell me that honestly from your heart, you believe that verse is saying that only these 144000 would make heaven, I would drop my case. I may not believe you but at least i would know you are being honest.

tctrills:
The city comes out of heaven to where? And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Is it not to earth?
So are we not saying the same thing? Christ would reign on earth. and the 144000 would follow him everywhere he goes. That's all the scripture says about them.
It did not say only them would be in heaven. Oh am I wrong?

tctrills:
But they won't go to heaven but live on earth forever! How do you know that these won't go to heaven. Christ would rule over both heaven and earth. Is it written that those on earth cant go to heaven?

cornelboy tctrills:
Bro you need to read the bible from beginning to end.
When this Kingdom comes to earth with Christ, they remain on earth.

Revelation 21:2-7
[2]And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.
[4]He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”
[5]And the one sitting on the throne said, “Look, I am making everything new!” And then he said to me, “Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true.”
[6]And he also said, “It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega—the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give freely from the springs of the water of life.
[7]All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.



Go read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Read from versions with simpler English not KJV.

tctrills:
Since you believe the entire bible is a figurative book, you can clearly make any verse to be what you want it to be and I can't argue with that. If you tell me Christ's death was figurative, what can I say?

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. not figurative. Please what is the figurative meaning of women here?

tctrills:
Since you believe the entire bible is a figurative book, you can clearly make any verse to be what you want it to be and I cant argue with that. If you tell me Christ's death was figurative, what can I say?

tctrills:
We already agree that these 144000 would go to heaven. They were clearly in a heavenly choir.

tctrills:
Their eternal life will continue on earth. I agree that both heaven and earth would be filled with those living eternal life. This has never been the argument.
It was you that created an arbitrary number for heaven. That is the discussion.
Again we are never told that those on earth would be barred from heaven.