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tctrills:
Can we both agree on something despite our differences? Can we agree that the bible never said these are the only people going to heaven?

tctrills:
Can we both agree on something despite our differences? Can we agree that the bible never said these are the only people going to heaven?

tctrills:
It means that God has more than one fruit. Being the first doesn't mean the only fruit. Or the only fruit in heaven. As I said, these were clearly men of great importance in the kingdom.
Again, there was no female in this group. They were Jesus's choir.
Note the bible didn't even say they were in heaven but mount Sion.

tctrills:
I would say, you are making my point, These 144000 are only are part of the kingdom, Christ entourage. Were they special? Yes. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Were they the only ones to make heaven? No, the bible never indicated such.

tctrills:
It's clearly written, they are Christ's entourage to follow him everywhere he goes.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Again, Revelations 14 did not say these men were with Christ in heaven. They stood with him on mount Sion. Up till now you have not pointed me to where the bible says only these men would be in heaven

tctrills:
Thats clear enough. See our aim here isn't to point out every time the bible does not mean something literally. They are millions of verses like that and no one would argue about that. But this isn't. Jonh took the pains to explain why they were virgins. It was clearly stated they had not had sex with women

tctrills:
When they are resurrected and judged.

tctrills:
Oga, in the old testament, Isaiah 57:3-13, JEHOVAH accused Israel of spiritual immorality, were they fornicating with women?
No !!! I am not getting your point. You just said they were accused of spiritual immorality, not physical immorality. What is your point?

tctrills:
1st you have failed to show any scripture that says only 144000 men would be in the kingdom.
Secondly, the bible does not need to use your words that every righteous person would be in the kingdom but it says it abundantly.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
'To him who overcomes I will give the privilege of sitting down with Me on My throne, as I also have overcome and have sat down with My Father on His throne
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

How else do you want it to be said

tctrills:
First there are people that have been virgins forever.
For now, I can agree with you that hell and death being cast into the lake of fire is not literal because I told you I don't know but do you want us to claim that everything in revelations is not literal?

tctrills:
My brother, we don't just decide to call stuff figurative for argument's sake. John was very clear, he explained that these guys have never been with women. Secondly, we are never told that these are the only people to go to heaven. That's the major issue here. You need to show why you think John was being figurative.

tctrills:
To this question my honest answer is I don't know. But where are you going with this?

I just want us to be honest with each other as we do this. Let's agree with only what the Bible says

tctrills:
I guess you are busy but I am having a swell time with another guy who believes in the 14400 thing. He has given me more than 10 verses, none says only 144000 people are going to heaven. Again, the 144,000 must be virgin men. that excludes Peter, he was married.

Can I ask you an honest question?
Is there really any scripture that says only 144000 people are going to heaven?

Janosky:
Why do you DECEIVE yourself?
(Read the Screenshot. The Lancet is a well renowned medical journal.)
All the people who transfused blood and died.
What saved them?

Hebrews 11:17-19 Acts15:28-29 obedience to the God who resurrects the dead is more important to JWs.
Do you understand that?

tctrills:
Now I am putting you under pressure.

Rosement:
Just let's agree that we are both right in my own ways. You understand your belief very well and I understand mine very well also. I'm not following my parent's belief or a pastor's belief. From a young age, I have been studying the Bible on my own. When I listen to sermons that are not Biblically sound I don't observe them and I always pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance after reading the Bible. I even discovered that some of the doctrines of my parent's Church was limiting me for no reason, things that God did not limit us from doing was part of their doctrines.

When I became independent, I changed my Church to the one that corresponded with my faith and I avoid arguing with my parents about doctrine even when they bring up such arguments. I always head over to my house immediately after Church service is over, I did not even join any department in the Church so that I will not be noticed. I don't go to any pastor for extra prayers and I even prayed on my own to receive the Holy Spirit and He has been leading and directing my life. My visions and revelations use to come to pass. There was a time, I even was persuaded to deliver a friend Spiritually after she confessed that she was trying to hurt me, I did not even know I could perform deliverance on my own. I have had several personal experiences that make me believe I am on the right path.

I pray the Holy Spirit guides you to the right path and if I am the one on the wrong path, I pray the Holy Spirit guide me to the right path. Thanks for your concern.

DappaD:
Okay. Understood.

MaxInDHouse:
So you're the same as OkCornel!

Wow!

Electrochemistry:
Happy Sunday to you all. I write for the sake of those who might be thinking that after life on Earth man goes back to a state of oblivion. I have once had a near death experienced some years ago and from then I never attempted to rubbish any religion. Religion has a point, a great point in infact. Now to those who live their lives as if human life ends on Earth, this is my experience: I slept one day,
a day I would never forget in my lifetime, and had a bad dream. Then I forced myself to wake up by hitting my hand on the bedframe I wasn't able to wake up. I rose from the bed under closed eyelids and was walking around the room and feeling the walls of the room yet am not awake. I returned to the bed and forced myself this time very forcefully to wake up. What happened amazed me. I lifted my body but I saw another body of me lying on the bed. That was the day I saw my back as it was. I was afraid to get out of my body completely so I mentioned Christ in my heart and my soul ran back instantly to my body and my struggle to wake up was gone. My eyes became clear. It was a total surprise to me. So l don't know of other religions but as for Christianity, am never going to play with it. Mind you this is just one of my experiences.

tctrills:
Please don't forget, you promised to show me where the bible said 144 people would go to heaven. I trust you would keep your promise

DappaD:
I didn’t join this thread on time because I’ve been very busy lately and so no time for Nairaland. I read through and saw this comment. I want to commend you first of all for taking your time out to create this thread to make a public declaration of your faith. Romans 10:14

Although you’re not yet a JW, you seem to be working towards it. But one thing you should know is that it is a public thread and so many opinions would be shared on here. You can pick the comments to reply to and ignore the rest. Because as long as you’ve sided with the truth, opposition will come from all angles. Satan and his henchmen will try to dissuade any one who has interest in truth(Revelation 12:17). Just keep on making the truth you’re own. You won’t regret it.

P.S. Are you the same person as OkCornel ?

achorladey:
You no dey proofread your words and you keep peddling INSANITIES . Here is why?



You have repeatedly criticized all other Christian denominations just like Christ right and still come back and tell us that wooooooowooooswoooobi my(MaxInDHouse) own better performing performance group are just like yours(others) too influenced by satan and are sinners like yours(others) too.

You added.....



Ara ta ni ISO ti n ru . You are not even providing a better performing performance group in the first place and your ways on this platform makes it all too clear to see.

Rosement:
We don't know much about others truth.

Rosement:
You are so ignorant, yet you always want to contribute. If you are not ignorant, you would have understood that he used his present study to boost his CV. He will not even become a professor by only doing PhD without working in the university, he can only become a Dr by doing that not a Prof. Do you think being a professor is child play? It is after he has being a Dr, lectured for years and published several journals that is he will become a Prof.

You don't even know the definition of criticism, your words about the Trinity is what?

Rosement:
Maybe private universities. For most public universities, an applicant must possess a masters degree and be doing a PhD program.

Emusan:
In what sense do you mean?

Nevermind bro

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And I honor Jesus Christ THE SAME WAY I honor the Father just like Jesus taught.

John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.
Is the Father greater than Jesus? Co-equal is part of the theory na?

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And who believe in 3 Gods

Lol. That's what you believe. Cos Trinity needed to be made biblical they had to also make you believe that the three Gods are one God. Wahala be like Trinity.

Rosement:
I would not lie about my mum's profession to please anyone. This is not the first or second time, I am mentioning that my mum is a lecturer on this forum but I don't mention it for reasons like this. My brother will start lecturing this year, I hope you understand now.

Rosement:
You are so ignorant, yet you always want to contribute. If you are not ignorant, you would have understood that he used his present study to boost his CV. He will not even become a professor by only doing PhD without working in the university, he can only become a Dr by doing that not a Prof. Do you think being a professor is child play? It is after he has being a Dr, lectured for years and published several journals that is he will become a Prof.

You don't even know the definition of criticism, your words about the Trinity is what?