₦airaland Forum

c.fours:
I agree with you on the Haitian revolution
I can't speak for the eboes though. they were busy committing suicides in Savannah Georgia that's their definition of heroism. I wonder why the loudmouths among them aren't committing suicides now. that would help a lot.

lacasa: Or in the "Hell-hole, erosion locked, kidnap HQ of Enugu, Anambra state anϑ probably Akwa-ibom as well

Eko Atlantic#:
Very incorrect
Lagos- 20 million

Don't ask for a link, do your research

calcal: Where is Achebe?

berem: please where in Lagos can i get the book?

Eko Ile: ^^^^^^ Akpu story.

PhysicsQED: Both Nigerian groups mentioned in this thread were involved in and significant to the Haitian revolution. One of these groups is commonly referred to as Ibo in written sources and the other is referred to as Nago. And (African) religion was also a very significant factor in the first phases of the Haitian revolution.

Dudu_Negro: i have not accused anyone of lying. in fact, i have used facts to corroborate what everyone has said about Ibo.....that you were not part of the action that shaped slave freedom.

Dudu_Negro: dude, you are not my primary occupation tonight. I got things going on here that are far more important than talking to crayola.


hey, there's your problem. you are sensitive to what african americans say of you. african americans dont understand the african customs. In Africa, suicide, as was done here is not an act of bravery. Life is not designed to be problem free. Everybody have a tragedy they face. Bravery is having the fortitude to bear through your burdens and not giving up inspite of it. if african american tell you that it was an act of bravery, you as an african ought to have the wisdom and mind to correct the perception and share with them the reality of life and the hardships through which it must struggled.

I am an African, a strong one....a YORUBA...and Im telling you walking into a river to walk away from the fortitude of human spirit is not an act of bravery.

Dudu_Negro: How does a monument to honor the memory of perished slaves become a symbol of bravery? please share.

Dudu_Negro: Even though they were slaves and in captivity, there was an heirarchy on the plantation. The dominant tribes in West Africa knew one another and maintained that order of dominance. Yoruba (Nago) was one of those. If you follow the revolts you will also see a correlation with the leadership and their corresponding African seat of power.....whether it was Dahomey, Ashanti or Oyo.

As far as that order goes, YORUBA is dominant in that leadership rank and heirarchy and Ibo has no place whatsoever in it. Ibo would be recruited to fight but would not have a seat in the consultative council or even in the decision making. So yes, Yoruba may not be as populous as Ibo in the number of slaves exported but Yoruba ended establishing its authority and cultural/religion spread all over the isdlands and even into US. Thats a lot of power and influence.

Dudu_Negro: oh there you are....lmao!

Dudu_Negro: Crayola,

speak up...I hear silence!

I am enjoying chaining you along and getting your high blood pressure up, hopefully you will burst a vein.

anyway, speak up when you are back so we can continue, I have more taunts to get you hypertensive. mumu...

Dudu_Negro: concentrate on this thread. we will talk about israel on an israel thread.

on the discussion at hand, you have lost the argument. this is why you started insults. no more defense left in your arsenal. i have torn apart all the various bs you guys brought up.

every people of black Africa shipped into slavery also fell victim to suicidal end. It is not something to be proud of, it is not a bravery....

Dudu_Negro: it is very well within human culture to honor their memory and pray for them but it is fraud to call such misfortune an act of bravery.

Those slaves that revolted against all odds, thats what you call bravery.

Dudu_Negro: by that statement you have also insulted your mother.

redsun: Opportunity where? In shackles? You don't know what u are talking. From the moment the slaves were caught,they were caged and dehumanized. The slightest freedom they get is when loose to work like donkies in the plantations.

Dudu_Negro: here we go, the ibo code word. of course your discussion will not be complete without the brave/coward symmetry. ibo is the only brave people in the world.....even when an ibo kill himself, it's an act of bravery.

i will let you have the last word on that.... here is a tease, who is a coward between me and you?

Dudu_Negro: domdom, they had plenty opportunities before the boat sailed to jump overboard, they had opportunities when the ship was asail to jump overboard.....in fact, they had opportunity in Africa and back in their village to commit suicide than be subjected to the humiliation of the slave catcher.

get a life, dummy! I want you to bring me reasons why Ibos were dominant (as you have claimed) in jamaica, US, carribean, haiti....and yet, you failed to put down a landmark. The only landmark you can come up with is suicide. Do you know how many other people jumped into sea, drowned themselves to escape slavery. You idiots talk as if Ibo slave was the only one that commited suicide..... brave my as*s!

Dudu_Negro: mothrfvkr,

yeah, voodoo is used all over W. Africa but Hounsu, Male, and Kumasi are specific and they are not Ibo.

Dudu_Negro: I have given you four revolts, each dubbed the greatest or the most effective or the largest. None of them has anything Ibo in it. We have Dahomey in St. Domingo/Haiti, we have Yoruba in Baha/Brazil, we have remnant of St Domingo in USA and we have Ghana in Jamica.

According to you, these were the domain of Ibo slaves....this is where we should expect to see Ibo bravery. Beside walking into a river in suicide, what other landmark do you have? If I hear you say Ibo is brave one more time you will be in trouble.

I have not used emoticon so far...I have earned the right to use it here..

c.fours:
what do you mean Yoruba people are binded by conservative tradition. abeg go and park jor. Yorubas are a very balanced tribe. we keep a good balance of progressiveism but at the same time, we keep our traditions. best of both.
and your comparison between UK and US makes no sense.
First, US became world power only by taking advantage of the fact that WWI&II virtually destroyed most parts of Europe
Second, US is a country of immigrants hence the reason people describe it as having "no tradition" because duh the culture and traditions is always influx and changing based on immigration patterns. America did not throw her arms wide open to "accept" or "adopt" foreign values. Actually, the opposite is the case.

America throws its hands wide open to accept foreign people (as sources of labor and talent whether through immigration or slavery etc.) yea but it definitely doesn't accept their values or ideals. infact, it often disrespects them.
it wants the people. not their opinion or cultures LOL
and bonus points if the foreigners can adopt American culture and values (aka assimilation) instead.
so far asians are the best (non white races) at this. that' why asians are called "model minority" in USA. they don't try too hard to influence american culture or speak out to assert themselves in the country. they assimilate really fast. yet they contribute immensely through labor and academic talent to it economy.

I think we yorubas have similar mentality. we will welcome you to our lands. but really we only want your labor/talent. we prefer you return to your land when you are no longer needed. otherwise learn to assimilate and adopt yoruba culture. with the hopes that by the third generation, traces of your tribe will be erased. your grandkids will not even remember that they had one igbo ancestor.
how think yoruba cultures were preserved so strongly for over 200 yrs in cuba, brazil, haiti etc? we recruit and assimilate blacks from other parts of africa too to help build our culture and nation stronger!

so yea keep dreaming.

Dudu_Negro: actually, its not everywhere that the name ibo is mentioned in slave narrative that the subject is truthfully of ibo origin. i think ibo, being a three letter word and easy on the tongue was circulated more often and used as a generic term for slaves whose African descent could not be recalled or maybe not even known. These narratives preceeded the times of Alex Haley's research into his own roots and which resulted in his book ROOTS and on which the movie was also based. After the movie, names such as Nago, Wolof, Mandingo gained popularity and no one used Ibo anymore to describe the slaves because of the new knowledge.

I have studied slave narratives extensively and I can analyze and dissect them for you. You can tell from a narrative what general area of Africa the narrator or subject is from. When a slave says he built a hut with clay plaster on the wall and flat roof adorned with palmetto fronds, I know right away that this person was from the sahel and not a person of the rain forest. When a slave is said to live in wild swamp far from salt water and did not know how to fish and did not plant crops but gathered fruits and he talked about monkeys and parrots, I know this person lived in marshy forest. When a slave named Bilal Mahomet is referred as Ibo, I know there is an error. He is either an Ibo and not a Bilal or he is a Bilal and not an Ibo. In case you don't know what Bilal is, it is a name and a title for the muezzin....the one who calls the muslim prayers. Were there muslim Igbos in the 1800s?

c.fours:
it's past your bedtime. go to sleep kiddo.

c.fours:
LOL. what is this one saying. even the most putrid slave owners had kids with their black slaves.

I don't hate igbos. but I do hate Biafrans. point of clarification.
and why would I give my chidren ugly names like Chukwuchibike when there are tons of beautiful yoruba names to pick from. Even Azikiwe couldn't resist.

how old are you anyway. you type as if you are no more than 16 yrs old.
I'm not really here to exchange sentences with a teenager. so chao