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This is just a question: Was it not this same Gowon that gracefully declared "no victor, no vanquished" for a war it had to fight after a part of the country seceeded and doesn't anyone give him any graces for that? Would you prefer if he had taken a different position after winning a clear, decisive victory? Let's get hour objective thoughts people.

I think there are just too many LITTLE KIDS on NLand these days. When will NL create the kid section, so kid posters and posts can be permanently constrained there by username and IP Address??

Waaaaoooo!!! Useless, untrained POLICE! Died from a curse 8 years ago? Is there an autopsy? Get a lawyer because there's no other way except the DPO wants to make some money from the woman thinking she will be scared and perhaps ignorant of her rights!

^ Well, NO NEED to fight in the gutter with tribalism if you can acquit yourself intellectually. Well, IT IS RECORDED HISTORY that even the biafran head of state, Philip Effiong, after Ojukwu ran away to Abidjan, surrendered to the SAME PEOPLE you are slandering right there. Go figure!

@Topic: It's so FUNNY watching this new show as the usual loser get's handed his ass on a hot stake! Hahaha! Well, this is without even some of the historians who can tell the story of Nigeria long before the biafran war came along! Well, jr., carry go...teach'em some history abeg!

jp philips: i for say na sand sand dey your head but e be like say na Gun powder,

before you deceive your children, the first capital of biafra was Enugu not PH, it was in enugu that the republic of biafra was declared.
after the fall of Enugu, Owerri became the next capital,Aba was also one of the make shift capitals, history recorded ojukwu's bunker in umuahia after the fall of owerri and he escaped from Uli in anambra state,
now, thank me for waking you up

@jr philips: It's interesting you've been on this NL for a long time and I find your tactful answers interesting. Well, be ready to do a whole lot of writing on these kind of topics and you will need not only a LOT of patience but relentless tact in slamming the "TRUE" accounts of the events of those days into some people here.

@Mimi...I suggest you heed an earlier advice to read some history of discussions on this board. You see, MANY PEOPLE like you have tried to educate and persuade people to tone down the tribal rhetoric without success because the ferocity increases the harder you try. In the end, you may win some, lose some but the most important thing I realize on this NL is to state your own account perhaps with some references. You may succeed in not letting the future NLander buy the absolute crap that some people pass for knowledge on this parts. Finally, please educate yourself some more with sources, cross-referenced, to reach an unbiased position of knowledge.

Logic Mind: please say no to tribalism.
if the next president is not igbo, what will igbos do?
nothing as usual.

fight for an indepent igboland and we will have igbo presidents forever.

Did someone steal or clone your ID? Or, are you just kidding? Paul on the way to Damascus experience??

@post: It should never matter where the president comes from but is he a leader that has the vision, intelligence, leadership capability and PROVEN records of achievement at similar levels? Rochas may be a good man BUT let him first show Imo how excellent he is in 8 years and then he will be a great candidate. Jonathan was governor for longer than Rochas but see how disastrous he has been! I hope Nigerians will learn to stop voting leaders because of tribal or narrow considerations.

I see some people rejoicing about the attack of the MB by the Fulanis. Well, the government of the retardee.n Jonashaft Odechukwu is responsible to protect the people and not Gowon. He was courageous and decisive as a 30+ year old man but the 54 year old Otueke joker can not even tie his shoelace. Just like he does nothing with BH now in the MB, he would do nothing if the West or East was attacked. Of course, we all know who rigged in the useless Jonathon government with 98% vote.

This is ONE funny thread! It's the same old story but I see some newbies here talking like they know a story they have no clue about e.g. Mimifowon. Look, I suggest you clear your mind and read the sequence of events carefully and you don't even need to go to Oxford library.

In the end, Gowon and Ojukwu have done their bit in their 30s and it is time to move on. Let me quickly point out though that if you fight someone and he wallops you hard so much that you surrendered and he graciously decides not to claim his clearly deserved victory, he may be anything BUT never a COWARD. Just a thought!

LOL...na beans!?? For where, but imagine your Naija doing this kind of job?

In a stunning intelligence coup, a dangerous al Qaeda bomb cell in Yemen was successfully infiltrated by an inside source who secretly worked for the CIA and several other intelligence agencies, authorities revealed to ABC News. The inside source is now "safely out of Yemen," according to one international intelligence official, and was able to bring with him to Saudi Arabia the bomb al Qaeda thought was going to be detonated on a U.S.-bound aircraft. The bomb, a refined version of the so-called underwear bomb used in a failed attempt on a Detroit-bound flight on Christmas Day 2009, is now at the FBI crime laboratories in Quantico, Virginia.

U.S. officials said they felt confident throughout the operation that the bomb was not an actual threat because the inside source had "control."
White House counter-terrorism advisor John Brennan reiterated on ABC News' "Good Morning America" today that the bomb was not an "active threat," which is why the public was told repeatedly by top administration officials, including Brennan, that there were no known active plots surrounding the anniversary of bin Laden's death. Brennan would not discuss the status of the would-be bomber, citing operational security, and declined to say whether the insider had himself been tapped to carry out the plot. "The means that we were able to get this device, we're trying to make sure we protect, again, the equities that are involved with it," he said.

Brennan also said he could not say whether there were other bombers still at large. "You never know what you don't know," Brennan said. "I think people getting on a plane today should feel confident their intelligence services are working day in and day out to stop these IEDs [improvised explosive devices] from getting anywhere near a plane, but also I think when they go through the security measures at airports, they understand why they're in place." Authorities told ABC News that the device was non-metallic, meaning it could be easy to get through at least one layer of metal-detecting airport security, and had an improved triggering mechanism over the one that failed on Christmas Day in 2009. And what Brennan knows and did not say, according to officials, is that several other elements of the plot were under investigation, including possible additional bombers and other kinds of bombs.

Read rest of the story: http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-bomb-cell-infiltrated-insider-foiled-airline-115251518--abc-news-topstories.html

Only if the governor will put in all the effort to have this completed and WORKING within 1-2 years! I like that it is hydro, really slim price @ 300 M and only if the power capacity is really decent MW, that will be awesome! Imagine that the entire Odechukwu government is yet to get off it's FLAT NOSE and DENSE BRAIN to do anything!

Contribute your own pictures, no need to start e-fighting over nothing.

Onlytruth: Thank you for an enlightened response!
My brother sometimes I have to address and educate these ignoramuses about the ultimate truth.
I just laugh when I see people warming up to claim other people's property post disintegration.
Like I said before, in a united Nigeria where the "owners of Nigeria" are playing one side against the other, "abandoned property" is possible. It is a completely different scenario in a disintegrated Nigeria, especially in light of the fact that those properties where acquired through shared nationality as Nigerians.
Bottomline is that Lagos will become like New York (in terms of demographic mix) very soon, with nobody even able to claim any ethnic ownership. FACT.

Yes, like New York if you are luck enough not to get a disintegrated Nigeria. This is what you have now in Nigeria where everyone likes to live, visit, invest or associate with Lagos. If by ANY chance Nigeria breaks, its sai gobe! There's no need for "abandoned property", just move it away and luckily there's now technology to move a house several thousand kilometers to anywhere. This will be a good business to start in Nigeria. If you get your utopia country, well we are all done: the law that upholds the country you killed cannot be used retroactively to your benefit except of course if you wish to repeat a historic, costly error! If you can mass ~30 Million strong army from the East across the Mid West to Lagos, then you may have a fleeting chance of being taking serious in your claims. Note however and think carefully because massing this army will be the easiest part of your task because I can see about half that number isolated after the connecting bridges to the lands are destroyed, then multiple forks penetrating from the the top, bottom, back and front of these armies. Your scarcely guarded homefront may first be razed down with an army in pursuit from the rear, forks on all sides like I described and then you are still thousands of kilometers from your elusive objective. A word is enough!

alj harem: Ok I do understand, but my ideology is different.

I would rather allow any lagosian as of that time to be citizens of the new Odua republic.

We also need creativity and diversity. (Just being honest)

Yes, we can differ on opinion but like I opined in a previous post, I think you lace a lot of your posts with APPEASEMENT to people who would rather capsize the ship called Nigeria. How will they not do the same when you naively allow then an inch of a foothold? Do you know cities were sabotaged in war by allowing someone who hates you to stay behind thinking they will reciprocate your generosity and humanity?

If they creativity and diversity is not seen as a MAJOR advantage and a source of strength for Nigeria, is it when you divide it that you will get the creativity and diversity? Naija many never be divided or many never need to if people realize that the only two groups in Nigeria are the people who steal the nation blind from every tribe and religious persuasion and their enablers and the people who suffer for it (the majority). Until the wronged majority rise up to destroy the corrupt minority, Naija will not move forward.

Alh, no I am not angry, why would I? I repeat when the law that upholds Nigeria currently expires; EVERYONE including the posters MUST carry their slippers on their heads and LEAVE. Simple! If you are lucky enough, Naija stays like it is but once everyone gets their own country, you will either leave or become permanently unavailable. No need to get angry about it!!

Point one finger and four point back to you. I am sure the SWesterners will allow everyone move their houses away but a square inch of space? NEVER!

Why would anyone be shocked when all the money has been stolen? It's like someone saying he is shocked that after fetching thousands of liters of water into a basket, it was remains empty

^ I must tell you YOU don't know what you are talking about and any one who does a little bit of introspection will easily see that! First, your so called "international scene" is a direct consequence of the many stupidities of Nigerian leadership which some Nigerian people have supported blindly on the premise of tribal interests and financial interests - this is what should be your attention. I see you claim some phantom terrestrialism but you should have heard of the hypocritical pharisees who were told: "wash the inside of the cup and the outside shall be clean also"! This is the only thing that needs to be done and not the "international scene" like you fixate on or the ill advised revolution with which you will now stir another hornet's nest that will capsize your little ideas on this thread.

Do you know how many wars that Mexico has fought or been involved in? That is a country that has been involved in over a dozen wars including secessions in which the seceding parts (more than once, find out!) rejoined Mexico. So, YOU are showcasing your ignorance when you say "...I believe that Mexico had a revolution in the past...". Again like someone alluded to that since you recently came in contact with Mexicans and it is somewhat noteworthy to you, I will tell you that I have worked directly for years with at least 2 Mexican guys who we have great conversations about everything and yes after discussing their country, you know which one is next? NIGERIA. If Mexicans would do anything to stream over their border, they know something you could never know by cobbling together disjointed facts from ill-researched, googled data which you clearly haven't had time to even analyze or think about.

^ How can any country allocate any extra percentage to 5.8% which is frittered away in inflated contracts and corruption? That amount is only on PAPER and the real amount is much less. Before digging deeper, how much progress does a country that encourages its leaders to do the following deserve? Answer only according to your name and conscience:

[b]How can anyone compare a country that took ~$60 B foreign reserve and virtually erase it and then add ~ $60 B worth of foreign debt in less than about 5 years compare with any other country?

How can a country that took ~$ 30 B excess crude account savings to virtually finishing it all in < 5 years be compared with any country on the planet?

How can a country whose leadership, voted in MOSTLY by the people comparing, steal ~ $ 20 B dollar in about 2 years and compare even with anything else and YET, they cheer on the thieves when the arch-thief Jolanthan has said the thieves will not be prosecuted as the probe was merely a fact finding mission.

How can someone who thinks only of breaking a country he so much despises compare it with a progressive and imperfect country that is doing everything to stay ahead of the game?

Those are better questions to ask empty before chest beating about a probability you can not guarantee. What have you done with the one within your grasp now?[/b]

^^ You are deviating from your own thread. Why not respond to points raised previously in this thread because if you can't then, you are clearly not interested in walking the talk. Plus, it seems you are only raising the points about Mexico to cast aspersions on Nigeria. If you don't want the betterment of Nigeria but rather its being embroiled in turmoil and war, would it even be better than it is now talk less of being comparable to Mexico?

@ Age issue: I don't think most Nigerians would disrespect anyone because of age but a person'[s reputation goes before them!

@ Name calling: Saw you name calling after my post. Well, just grow-up, and maybe you wouldn't be such a joke because I came at you with intelligible questions but see where you go again?. In the tribal pig sty - lower you go every day. Such a shame.

How can anyone compare a country that took ~$60 B foreign reserve and virtually erase it and then add ~ $60 B worth of foreign debt in less than about 5 years compare with any other country?

How can a country that took ~$ 30 B excess crude account savings to virtually finishing it all in < 5 years be compared with any country on the planet?

How can a country whose leadership, voted in MOSTLY by the people comparing, steal ~ $ 20 B dollar in about 2 years and compare even with anything else and YET, they cheer on the thieves when the arch-thief Jolanthan has said the thieves will not be prosecuted as the probe was merely a fact finding mission.

How can someone who thinks only of breaking a country he so much despises compare it with a progressive and imperfect country that is doing everything to stay ahead of the game?

Those are better questions to ask empty before chest beating about a probability you can not guarantee. What have you done with the one within your grasp now?

Seriously? The useless FG has fulfilled all its empty promises it now has the time to regulate chieftancy titles in over 770 LGs of Nigeria? How about regulating the oil industry and accounting for the subsidy funds stolen first?

Did you notice that transparency and lowest level of CORRUPTION is perhaps the biggest reason why Botswana is doing so well? If Nigerians all jointly determine to stand against corrupt leaders and not supporting the ones who have paid them or from their tribe everywhere in the COUNTRY, we will be catching up and doing better very fast. Did you notice that all the gains of 1999-2007 have now been totally reversed with the current government's oil money theft only being ~ N 2 Trillion ~ 20 Billion USD? But guess what, Jonathan is still defended by mostly the same people who you ask to aspire to Botswana which will NEVER happen at this rate!

Funny how the mostly tribal Ibo posters are threatening about a land your ancestors had NO clue about! Again, to ONLYLIES and TRIBAL-IGBO, move away NOW while you have the time! On one hand, you do not like Nigeria and want to secede, but at the same time want to benefit from the law of the country that allows you to lease land in the "old country". How is that possible? Did the Jews not own (by purchase) any land in Germany before the Second World War? Is it by force or must you die because you want to travel thousands of KM to steal a land you do not own? You say you hate the SW but you can't keep coming to their land to live, work, feed your family and send home some change and when it is all over because you WANT to, you insist YOU MUST OWN their LAND? Well, this is only possible on the internet and I challenge you to go over there to Isale Eko and make your spurious claims.

LOL...I know. I recently met a guy (African) who recently moved from Europe to America and he couldn't stop talking about how much he liked his new environment. He said even after living over there for 20 years, he could never feel at home like he did over here and be had wen here for much less that a year. My point? OnlyLIES & co need to have it permanently behind their ears that they CAN never own a square inch of land that will confer on them any rights in any other land than that of his ancestors. Even if himself and co became permanent beasts of burden in the SW, that will not give him more than temporary rights to work, feed himself, pay taxes and when Nigeria is over, it will be thanks but no thanks: pack your load and GO!

Katsumoto: Agreed

However, protection should be given to those who own assets. There should be legal means for them to sell their assets if they want to. The government will set some sort of limit for those who can become residents but it wont be everyone otherwise anyone can buy a piece of land for 10,000 Naira and expect residency.

Onlytruth's loose definition will not work anywhere.

Lagos belongs to those who have been in Lagos for centuries - The Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas, Agudas, Saros as well as the Tapas.

And I completely agree with you but it is evident that people like OnlyLIES have eyes only for another's property not just what they need for a decent human living: greed, avarice, covetousness, long throat, etc. In another 500 years, long after now, the generosity and tremendous inclusiveness of the SW would be trampled upon and history re-written to suit their agenda. The only way to prevent a real problem then is to make it permanently IMPOSSIBLE for people like him to have more than TEMPORARY rights in the land.

OnlyLIES: You can froth in the mouth all you want but buying land in Lagos gives only a long-term TEMPORARY ownership of the land and no more! It may be 70 years or more but it is still a "lease". If Nigeria breaks up like you want, you cannot eat your cake and still have it: You will have a short window to move whatever is on the land. Breaking Nigeria means the old order is abolished and a NEW one instituted, making it criminal to want to claim anything after the law that upholds Nigeria currently is abolished. The best you can do is to protect your homeland and ensure no one steals the land of your ancestors.

Jonathan and his useless administration is THE MOST USELESS GOVERNMENT since the beginning of governance in Nigeria! Watch guys: THIS FOOL WILL DO NOTHING OR PUBLISH NAMES OF PERCEIVED POLITICAL ENEMIES!

Pray, when does a hunter go to announce to the prey: "I WILL CATCH YOU"? Or, a policeman to the thief: "I WILL COME AND ARREST YOU"? This fool takes incompetence to inglorious heights! His name and administration will live in INFAMY for all time!

Jonathan and his useless administration is THE MOST USELESS GOVERNMENT since the beginning of governance in Nigeria! Watch guys: THIS FOOL WILL DO NOTHING OR PUBLISH NAMES OF PERCEIVED POLITICAL ENEMIES!

Pray, when does a hunter go to announce to the prey: "I WILL CATCH YOU"? Or, a policeman to the thief: "I WILL COME AND ARREST YOU"? This fool takes incompetence to inglorious heights! His name and administration will live in INFAMY for all time!

beaf roast: I don roast d beaf!
But him fit reincarnate sha.

When will the roasted beef be served for dinner? Hope he won't reincarnate inside the eater's stomach o??

pitoski: she deserves it. she has pure and natural beauty. hmmm, though am not happy the girl from my state did notm win it.

They are all Nigerians and only one state can win at a time so what is it about your state not winning? They are all Nigerians and you should be appreciating the diversity you have in your country! Who will love Nigerians if they won't love each other?