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My advise to the young Nigerians (which I am one) is to learn from the mistakes of the older generation. This is another angle to an incredible story and it makes no sense when NLanders who NEVER saw or knew anything except that which they were told to be fighting, cursing and hating other tribes! I got love for you ALL! ![]() |
^^^ Wetin dem chop? Please educate NL. |
LOL. . .some of us here have always known that which you are writing about! Fresh Air Jonse-a-thon! ![]() |
You guys just voted in a SE/SS President in Jonastan Gooluck, or are you tired of the democracy you helped to install just a few months ago? |
References actually. |
Can you provide a reference so we can check it out? |
Ileke. . .what difference would it make if the contract is awarded to cronies anyway? When it comes to Goofluck issues no need to bother with any expectation of performance, probity and accountability. |
Awarding contract is the easy part. Let's see what becomes of all the spend-spend of Mr. Jons-a-thon! |
bashr8:Bashr, please no need to insult or use harsh language. We can all have opinions and an objective look will tell who was wrong, even though they had good intentions. Before I say much, this is not about bashing the tribe but if your kids were fighting, you would try to understand their problems and settle it equitably so next time you are not home, they wouldn't damage each other. Look at things fairly. As per MKO who I guess you were alluding to in your post, it has been shown that IBB killed him for reasons related to his alleged drug dealing and business deals gone awry. It was not like all the northerners wanted to kill him because as you remember, he swept the June 12 polls even in the north of the country. I have spoken about Nzeogwu and Ironsi briefly previously but let us leave Ojukwu for now - not the best time. However, note that war is not a trivial issue. With the experience of WW II, it became clear that when an Army strikes, it must strike very hard, in shock and awe without giving a chance. This is what gave the Germans an overwhelming advantage at the beginning because they were extremely well organized and were well instructed in the Nazi philosophy. Hitler declared to them: ". . .this will be a war of annihilation. . .", even if any German commander was to be captured, he was never to be captured alive. They were instructed no one must take even one step back from battle and if they did, they were to be killed by their comrades. After Rommel has won several victories with his Africa Korps in North Africa, Montgomery did not consider that he was a General just to go on the offensive. If and when he did, he must mass overwhelmingly to turn the tide of the war. If he had so much as tried to attack earlier, the (second) battle of El-Alamein would have been a different story. |
dayokanu:So insane was the shit that even after the Red Army liberated Soviet POWs that had been captured and placed in the concentration camp in Auschwitz, one would think they would be freed to go. No, what they got was imprisonment in the Soviet gulags. Incredible! |
realchange:Well, that is an opinion and may be a conspiracy. In any event, I believe my point is made. |
^^ Guys, I think everyone's opinion is justifiable. However, if you believe a BIG problem always start small, then the blames should go squarely to the leaders who refused to let the the country break at the beginning. As per the killings of the Easterners (which I totally detest) from the accounts I have read, the blame falls squarely on a lot of people: Aguiyi (he had many chances to correct the wrongs of January 1966) and he did NOT do anything. In fact, the coupists were reportedly being paid their salaries while in prison! That is really silly when you condone evil of that magnitude. Next, blame the treachery which was introduced into Nigerian leadership and politics when subordinate military officers rise up and kill their superiors, even after just having a party together not long before! The circumstances that Ifeajunna killed Maimalari is totally unforgivable! Maimalari saw Ifeajunna first, he was his junior, he knew trouble was in the offing, yet he called to Ifeajuna and what did he do with his southern Ibo compatriot? He killed him. . .for goodness sake! If you come to equity, you must come with clean hands but these guys did not, otherwise they should have ensured the same treatment of every leader from every part of the country, Ironsi should have dealt fairly with all the coupists even though they were his tribesmen! This is the issue! Ifeajunna is just as guilty as all his co-mutineers that started the bloodshed of January 1966. Ironsi had immense opportunities to do set the right tone on March 31 1966 when he gave his speech but it is recorded that he did not reassure the conservatives and doubters. In April 1966, did he not read the opinion of the people he governed in the north, at least they were part of the country? In the end of May, when Hassan Katsina returned from Lagos and said the ". . .egg would be broken on Tuesday", did Ironsi not give his plan to announce decree 34 a second thought, third and fourth thought? NO! He announced the decree further strengthening the fears of the northerners of southern domination and only tried to soften the impact only by talking while all his actions suggested none of such. This all while reportedly doing the same things the coupists has accused the killed corrupt leaders were doing : driving around in presidential Rolls convoy and his wife parading herself all around as "Lady Ironsi". On May 29 (a full month before he was killed), a demonstration by civil servants and educated northern students broke out which degenerated into a riot killing several southerners of Ibo origin. Reportedly, the northerners carried placards reading "A raba" - let us secede, "No unitary government without referendum" and after about 600 people had been killed, what did he do to avert the events of July 28-29, 1966? Nothing really for Francis Nwokedi, his key man, in all his almost lone studies kept advising him of implementing the silly type of governance we have now! In all, there's a lot of blames to go round but until Nigerians use their brains, southerners bargain themselves out of the Nigerian state, there remains no other viable way! |
asha 80:I have seen several movies of WW II on DVD but I am pretty sure a clipping would be on Youtube. I am sure you are aware that Hitler would not just kill himself if he knew there was no other way out and he did just that before the Battle of Berlin was over. Imagine just four launchers delivering 4.35 tons of high explosives over a 400 square kilometers in just 7–10 seconds and in 2012 (or future if this were to happen) the state of development of this weapons? These can be re-deploed to new positions within a short interval and the barrage continues. It was reported that the German soldiers feared these rockets very much - and that is German forces who were so well trained, there was probably no more efficient, fierce and wicked people all loaded down with hate and Goebbel's evil propaganda in WW II - almost no human being stood a chance. If the existing Nigerian army were to acquire even 100 of such in a fight against the other army, you can only imagine what would happen. |
. . .Continued: This conditions that must exist to guarantee winning a violent war to break Nigeria for it makes no sense to fight a war only to lose and be subject to worse conditions that before the war. In WW II, British Lt. General Montgomery had been made to replace Gen. Auschinlek because he had made it clear to Churchill that he would delay attack on Rommel until he built overwhelming superiority in men, training and equipment. Churchill was exasperated when Montgomery told him he would not go on the offensive until his Eight Army had come up to the standard required to overcome Rommel at the Battle of El-Alamein - the turning tide of the war. How would an army from the south come up with these resources when it currently does not effectively control it? How will the supplies land in the hands of the army that would use it if they do not control the ports and do not have the loyalty of the entire peoples at this port? How can you gather intelligence when you have not won the unalloyed support of every other part of the country except the ones you wish to fight? Then, you have to factor in the foreign countries who could take either side and will deploy their own military forces - so in essence: a violent or military breakaway is impossible. Either, a negotiated break of the country or a sovereign national conference to renegotiate the country back to regions under accepted terms keeping the country appears to be the options. |
manchy7531:Manchy. . .you make a good point but you ruined it with your first phrase by attacking the same person Ojukwu said expressly: I DO NOT AND HAVE NEVER BLAMED AWO FOR ANYTHING. That piece of history is here on NL and you must have seen it, so how did you get to your conclusion? Please, let us be respectful and appreciate other people's positions. I was not even here when all these troubles were brewing and I am sure MOST ardent commenters were not as evidenced about a thread here not long ago. I ask you one question: Did you ever see the raw video of what the Soviets did to Berlin in WW II? That can only be done when your intention is to completely annihilate everything human beings, buildings, everything - not just kill a few and take prisoners. Did you know that even the Nazis would rather be captured by the Americans than fall into the hands of the Soviets? Death was almost sure either way but have you seen a person killed so hard there is nothing left? Please, for goodness sake, let us leave all this trouble behind. In my opinion, the cost of breaking up Nigeria by war or violence is so high it is unpayable and will possibly last a very long time so much so if victory were ever won, it is would be a Pyrrhic victory and the conditions for even a sustainable attack: an overwhelming superiority in men, fighting equipment and intelligence gathering that tells precisely what the other side would do. |
LOL. Pfffff. . .fresh air! |
Eko Ile:Eko. . .I know this dede guy is like that but I was just trying to have a debate for which I will give references to support my position but it's insult again which I can't just let slide. I leave him though but his attempts to re-write history will not work. I am glad his MANY and (MAJOR ) bosses are here on NL to instruct him anytime he strays into falsity! ![]() |
Dede1:You are intellectual midget so every other comment you make has to be abusive? Well, it's not my fault if you are mentally challenged and cannot hold your own in a debate without resorting to tribal attacks, insults and stupid bigotry in your zero-sum game. In any case, its obvious you are still suffering from the loses you were told about but its all your fault and none of mine. I am not here to defend anyone and Awo remains not only one of the brightest and forward looking people of his time and now, he was an outstanding lawyer. He excelled at his job and needs no one to defend him. It's time to move on with your life hiding away in obodo under rock where you are really a non-entity illegal resident. Naija doesn't need more bigots anyway because your type started the war that you now cry about, destroyed Nigeria's regional governments in hope of domination, killed every leading light of other tribes and preserved yours. Ironsi NEVER did anything about it and what did you do? Poke fun at the northerners. They wanted out initially, you refused. After the January 1966 Ibo coup, there was a riot in the north "A raba" you remember? Ironsi refused to do anything about it and went ahead to promulgate his unification decree. Well, now that the people you first attacked turned their anger on you, you claim to be hiding away under the rock? Stay there, no one cares! ![]() |
Pfff |
bashr8:There you go firing another tribal salvo. . .yet if others descend on you, you will still complain, what is the matter with you? Has it occurred to you that Tinubu was 13 years old when all the sabre-rattling and hotheadedness that plunged the country into darkness started in January 1966? Well, you now pontificating were far from fertilized in the womb talk less of being born, yet you come here to pretend like you witnessed anything of what happened? Stop the tribalism because this will only destroy you and Nigeria even more! |
Andre Uweh:Are you a Hitler Youth Leader because your level of hate is appalling. In the past several posts of yours, it's been curses, abuse, curses, hate, bigotry, why? At least argue rationally with points because fighting and abuse when someone is intellectually stronger than you only confirms you are weaker than he thought. Just my thoughts. |
Nchara:But give sometime before you start causing unnecessary trouble. He was Nigerian at the end of the day so I can defend him so no need to get upset that I only ask you give sometime. . .you know he has close family who are not feeling fine right now. |
For goodness sake, show some respect to this man. You can start a debate after he is at least buried and many of his people feel better. You didn't ask this question before why now when you know he can't answer. Why? Why? Why? |
Dede1:So, you drew a parallel between a factual statement for which Ojukwu fought, which Nigeria struggles with today and made in 1947 as "mere"? Do you know that Ahmadu Bello in his autobiography described the amalgamation that created Nigeria “The mistake of 1914”? So Awolowo was making a statement which is true but drawing a parallel with is position as Minister of Finance is just an attempt to denigrate his person and office which you know is impossible. Have you or anyone been considered for position of supervisor of local government affairs in your state till date, talk less of Minister at the national level. Dede, don't let your bitterness eat you up but seek healing because while this man made his marks on time, your name will not be heard even by your own great grandchildren in your family - think about that. Next, you cannot speak for Ojukwu as to his feelings and opinions - that is just plain primary school argument. Since when did you read his mind or become his oracle? At the end of the day, Ojukwu still NEVER blamed Awolowo but if he did, show the proof of it. |
Jones-a-thon in ACTION! Fresh Air Jonesing government! |
lucenzo:Because he asked questions? Only intellectual midgets insult rather than debate! Hit him with factual arguments if you have the intelligence. macjive01: Yes, I have and note that as an enlightened mind, your body of knowledge should be an integral quantity of all the various accounts. Accepting only 1 as the gospel truth is phony and that is what you are suggesting here. Now, NEVER believe that no one ever lied that is why in court, every allegation must be proved beyond reasonable doubt by witnesses not on an assumed infallibility of an individual to speak the truth. However, if indeed Ojukwu is absolutely infallible as you claim, how come when he says he does not blame Awolowo and NEVER blamed him for anything is something you CANNOT accept. Or, did he lie on that one? Make up your mind and then we can explore this further. PointB:Mr. Point. welcome to the debate but no need to insult anyone here. Insults never win a case in a law court or debate FYI. I don't live in Lagos or Nigeria and maybe you don't. However, the people both the hosts and guests are getting on fine. Where did I say they should leave? Yes, the older ones in my family have been in Nigeria's Forces and just as they fought, your fathers fought, should I blame you for they fight? So, no need to blame me either. No one says they should not stay, the land cannot be eaten or is it not meant for humans to be on the land? However, please respect your hosts, don't abuse them! For example, you are not a German citizen though you may be a citizen of another respected country but if you moved to Germany and after living there for 5-10 years, you start abusing them and insulting them, what will happen? Because they gave you everything needed to create a life, even gave you almost all the rights of other native citizens, yet you abuse them. . .will you accept the same if you granted your cousin to come live in your own home and starts abusing your kids later? |
Dede1:There you go again! Have you ever been a class rep of your university class before? Yet, your shameless and biased hatred for a tribe makes you to denigrate a position at a federal level as "Mere"? Well, any neutral observer can see through your tribally destroyed soul because the position of "Commissioner" was not his creation. The could have called the same position "XYZ" but he discharged the duties of his position without any question - something you and possibly any in your generation will ever do. Stick to the issues and debate objectively. You can't win in a physical fight. Even in a fair intellectual fight, you are doing far worse! Acquit yourself as a boy for goodness sake! In the end Ojukwu, the leader of the Biafra, did not and NEVER blamed Awolowo. Do you know better than him? |
macjive01:Did you see the REVIEW on Amazon's website? How can you take ONLY one side of a conflict and take a position on it except it proves only your own point? It's like finding all the arguments to justify an action not to objectively analyze it. Here it is again: 7 of 7 people found the following review helpful: 3.0 out of 5 stars Don't expect a balanced view, 8 Aug 2008 By J. R. Skelton (Devon, England) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) This review is from: Biafra Story (Paperback) This is an in-depth and well argued book from a writer better known for other genres. My caveat to any reader is that Forsythe is shamelessly pro-Biafran and this is born out in his writing. I have no issue with writers having an opinion,but lets be clear of this from the outset. It's a book with lots of facts but for me, a little too much of 'he said in a private meeting which was unrecorded' type evidence rather than cold hard evidence. Read this book for an insight, but don't imagine it's wholly impartial. |
macjive01:7 of 7 people found the following review helpful: 3.0 out of 5 stars Don't expect a balanced view, 8 Aug 2008 By J. R. Skelton (Devon, England) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) This review is from: Biafra Story (Paperback) This is an in-depth and well argued book from a writer better known for other genres. My caveat to any reader is that Forsythe is shamelessly pro-Biafran and this is born out in his writing. I have no issue with writers having an opinion,but lets be clear of this from the outset. It's a book with lots of facts but for me, a little too much of 'he said in a private meeting which was unrecorded' type evidence rather than cold hard evidence. Read this book for an insight, but don't imagine it's wholly impartial. |
It is obvious that Dede1, Macjive, Nchara, etc just want to perpetuate lies that cannot stand. 1. Ojukwu the principal actor on the Ibo side does not and did not blame Awolowo. 2. Awolowo gave his account in the full view of everyone including journalists from the SE 3. None of the existing main actors have disputed his account of what happened but in fact corroborated it. Now, should we believe Ojukwu or you guys when the leader knows the blame is not where you insist it is. A lot of you live outside Nigeria because of better opportunities where you are, does your host country deserve to be vilified for their generosity, accommodation and the opportunities they have given to you? Does any of you pick a random fight with any of the citizens to impress on him you are now in his land and there is nothing he can do about it? I doubt none of you does that but you move to Lagos and all over the country, yet you abuse your hosts, why? The people who laid the foundations a long time ago before you were born, yet you abuse them. You curse them. Your fathers who fought and lost moved on, but the seed of lies and evil is germinating in you. Why?? |
macjive01:Does your avoiding my question mean you agree that the TREACHEROUS BETRAYERS ARE AMPLY EXEMPLIFIED BY IFEAJUNA AND HIS IBO COMPATRIOT in the example I gave you? |
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