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Even a casual open reader of the Bible knows right from Old Testament that the Jews have priority.They are number one in God's eyes,others follow.They are the naturals,we gentiles are just graffed in.

Comments like these i believe accounts for the reason atheist will continue to laugh at us forever.

bindex:
There are extra ordinary things said about Jesus in the bible. Feeding 5 thousand people with 2 fish and 5 bread, raising the dead, walking on water, turning water into wine, killing of babies when he was born by king Herod, healing of the sick, the veil of the temple was torn in two accompanied by an earthquake when he was crucified, There was darkness in the whole of the land for 3 hours (Mid day darkness) when Jesus was crucified, many dead bodies of Jewish saints in Jerusalem were also resurrected and walked around the city for people to see when Jesus ressurected. Yet there is NO account of this ANYWHERE in the world(even though the people were known for keeping record of events) except in the bible. Doesn't this strike you as odd? Nobody except the writers of the gospel bothered to write about any of this extra ordinary events? Even the gospels were written 40-100 years after all the alleged events took place.

I believe that there might have been accounts of this in other places but they might have been missing or destroyed.

Sin is breaking of the law(human and divine).

virgie:
@bindex,
I have read your piece. I wonder who you are trying to covince of all the balderdash you have been writing? you can write from now till infinity, but believe me, God is real and I pray he shows mercy on ian gnoramus like you.


you are just wasting your time!

You can say that again.

huxley:
Hello and welcome to the discussion.

I see you believe in Jehovah of the bible.    Why don't you believe in Allah or Thor or Sango or the myriads of other gods that exist?

Looking forward to your response.

Thankz

I don't believe in the other gods because Jesus says he is the way the truth and the life. My personal experiences have shown me how REAL Jesus is. I don't believe in allah because I know for certain that the koran was plagiarised from the bible. Jesus is real you only have to walk with him to know that there is no other God out there except him. I also believe that my morals do stem from the Bible.I believe that the bible is the infallible word of God. I ask this question, because I wonder why you live in this prescribed way of living if there is no eternal consequence for your action.

Back in Nigeria religion is more important, but here in europe I can see that their race is much more important to them than any religion, by the way most of the europeans do not believe in God.

Jesus is definatley coming back to Judge the people of the entire world.

I can see that there are quite a handfull of atheist here,I'm very curious as to why you guys have chosen to accept this belief? there seems to be increasing evidence that the universe could not be as it is were it not for a supreme creator. Since I know I can not make you guys see any good reason to believe in the bible since most of you ridicule and make fun of the bible on a daily basis I will like to know how this belief system you have adopted helps in enhancing who you are and the society you live in? Without purpose and ultimate consequence, where do you guys think morality comes from? I believe in Jehovah the God of the bible, I also believe that he is the only Supreme Being who created the whole universe and actively takes part in it(there are stories and testaments of his goodness and blessing every where). He characterizes perfection and exits as a three in one being (the Trinity). He has existed before time and outside of the physical universe. I just want to know what prevents you from doing bad to the rest of the world or what prevents you from displaying the "me" attitude towards the rest of the world and what you guys are hoping to meet when you die?

I know a lot of men that come home well past 7pm.

Why do moslems love telling us what is inside our bible? poster please don't confuse yourself the Jesus(Isa) that was talked about in the koran is not the same Jesus that we worship.

KunleOshob:
The man is just a crooked business man cum motivatinal speaker using the church as a platform to make some extra cash. As David rightly pointed out it is preachers like him that have brought christianity to disrepute and given non -believers ammunition to attack the faith. Preachers like him abound in a lot of the new generation churches we have in Nigeria.

This is really true.

;d ;d

Men are not usually good at this kind of things especially when they have a woman or children around. A man will only make his bed when he is single, most men hardly do these kind of things when they are married or have a companion who they believe will help them out when it comes to activities like making of bed.

I believe that we the Christians on this forum are giving the atheist more than enough ammo to ridicule and laugh at us.

bindex:
Show me one place in the bible where Jesus said that he was sent to save the whole world(Jews and Gentiles).

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [fn] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Here it is for you. Jesus also said that he is the way the truth and the life and that no Man can come to the Father except through him.

JustGood:
see fight o.
una dey vex because some other girls have kept their virginities.

Good families always eat together, it strengthens the bond among the members of the family i believe.

This is really nice.

I find it very difficult to understand how and why moslems confidently believe that Jesus Christ was a moslem? Where did you guys get this big lie from? I used to think it was funny but it is not any more.

God is great. The woman was very lucky.

Nice of you to have a strong belief in the country.

Here are two pages that examine this in more detail, with many scriptural citations:

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html

Personally, I find the following from the above mentioned website quite difficult to believe:

Amongst the most basic missions that the Messiah will accomplish during his lifetime: 
(1)Oversee the rebuilding of Jerusalem, including the Third Temple, in the event that it has not yet been rebuilt.
(2)Gather the Jewish people from all over the world and bring them home to the Land of Israel.
(3)Influence every individual of every nation to abandon and be ashamed of their former beliefs (or non-beliefs) and acknowledge and serve only the One True God of Israel.
(3)Bring about global peace throughout the world.

These criteria are not mentioned in the old testament?

hubreality:
A Christian is Christ like, also dwells and walk in love like Him Who called us(believers in Christ Jesus), Christians.

very true.

I am stating that there is a possibility that Paul was a Roman agent and possibly remained one. That his conversion may have never taken place. Paul never told his own story of his epiphany in his own Epistles, Luke(or who ever) describes it in Acts (in 3 contradictory versions). If Paul truly did become a Jesus freak, he radically changed what Jesus and his disciples were preaching, that he changed and/or reinterpreted Jesus' teaching to not only accommodate Romans but to be acceptable to Romans. Jesus preached a philosophy that was threatening to the Romans (he even seems to be an anti-Roman Zealot). If you separate out Paul's teachings from the rest of the disciples, it presents a very different Christianity than what we have with Paul's theology included. If I was going to change Christianity to be more acceptable to Romans, it is quite possible that I would have a "vision" and change many of the theology points to make it more palatable to my Roman countrymen.

Matt: 16:19 "What you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven"

this suggests that the Church which Jesus established can make rules(?) / pronouncements(?) and God will accept them (or at least the Church will be protected from making errors in those pronouncements).


John: 16:12 "I've got lots more to say, too much for you to bear now now, but when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all truth"

- indicates that there's more information and learning to come after Jesus (discernible from the Holy Spirit)

So these two passages would allow Paul and Peter or others of the Church leaders to introduce new rules (if accepted by the Church).

Jesus himself changed, updated or clarified some of the old rules eg a writ of divorce had been allowed by Moses but Jesus said 'what God has joined together let no man put asunder'. So we know that rules can change or be more clearly defined over time.

Regarding Jesus excluding non Jews, his mission was with Jews only. The Christians (converted Jews) mission then became with/for the whole world. No contradiction there. Jesus was 'training the trainers'.

i visit this forum regularly and i must confess that there a quite a lot of interesting characters o this thread. ZinZino what are you son of satan?

bindex:
As I aforementioned Jews from their reading of the Torah, expected the Messiah to be a mortal man (not divine) and a great earthly leader who would lead the Jews back to the Holy Land, establish a powerful kingdom, rebuild the temple, and fulfill many other specific qualities that Jesus did not fulfill. Many of the supposed prophecies that Christian writers claimed to be predicting Jesus (i.e. being born of a virgin, etc.) are not and were never read by Jews as Messianic prophecies, they were referring to events in their own time. Early Christians cherry-picked through the Jewish scriptures to find details that allegedly fit Jesus, AND/OR invented or added details to Jesus' biography to fit passages in those scriptures.

Is it possible that they misunderstood the deeper spiritual intentions that God inspired the writers to write? Clearly some writers envisioned something far greater than simply an eternal earthly kingdom.

It seems funny to me that when ever Jews mention contradictions in the bible and Jesus, most Christians start to explain the parts about 7,000 vs 70,000 men in some chapter. When the Jews then explain "no, the contradictions of theology between Jesus and Paul or the failure to fulfill the Jewish prophecies of the OT, most are truly stumped. When I was a Christian I like most Christians think Jews rejected Jesus because they are too blind to see that he was the savior (or some comment along those lines). Until I meet my Jewish friend in Malmo(Sweden) who gave me the JP translation of the Jewish bible(Which most of the Christain OT text were copied) to read. I found out that most Jews rejected Jesus because he wasn't the messiah as their God promised.Jews, from their reading of the Torah, expected the Messiah to be a mortal man (not divine) and a great earthly leader who would lead the Jews back to the Holy Land, establish a powerful kingdom, rebuild the temple, and fulfill many other specific qualities that Jesus did not fulfill. He didn't do what the messiah was supposed to do as stated by their God himself and he sure as heck wasn't prophesied in the OT without mistranslating/misinterpreting the OT by Christains founders (Romans).

Please provide scripture to back up those statements in bold.

Aloy.Emeka:
Do Muslims have healing ministries like christians do?. Have you witnessed sick people being healed by Allah in that ministry?. Is it allowed at all in Islam?

I don't think so, but I might be wrong.

I gave Glory unto Jesus, The KING of Kings and LORD of Lords. Its always good to give glory and honor unto the name of the LORD. Thank you LORD Jesus.

bindex:
I am stating that there is a possibility that Paul was a Roman agent and possibly remained one. That his conversion may have never taken place. Paul never told his own story of his epiphany in his own Epistles, Luke(or who ever) describes it in Acts (in 3 contradictory versions). If Paul truly did become a Jesus freak, he radically changed what Jesus and his disciples were preaching, that he changed and/or reinterpreted Jesus' teaching to not only accommodate Romans but to be acceptable to Romans. Jesus preached a philosophy that was threatening to the Romans (he even seems to be an anti-Roman Zealot). If you separate out Paul's teachings from the rest of the disciples, it presents a very different Christianity than what we have with Paul's theology included. If I was going to change Christianity to be more acceptable to Romans, it is quite possible that I would have a "vision" and change many of the theology points to make it more palatable to my Roman countrymen.

Galatians 1:11-12
"I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."
Paul was received at the early church in Damascus immediately after his conversion, albeit hesitantly. Also later in Jerusalem. These were the apostles for the most part, who should have known the teachings of Jesus, and after hearing Paul preach, they did not cast him away.

You have some interesting points i will go and look them up and be back.

@ poster

Are you stating that Paul's preaching is different from Jesus'? And not just style but substance?
Why is it then that Jesus Himself appears to Saul and chooses him to be a vessel to the gentiles? Acts 9:4-6, 11-12, 15?
This is confirmed later in Acts, 22:21.