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raphieMontella:
okay sire

raphieMontella:
so as a pedestrian i cant banana by the roadside again?
Haba bros...

raphieMontella:
the bolded is what i dont understand about the christians here..
They are jumping upandan but real pastors do deconvert daily...

TheSixthSense:
So many aspersions being hurled around. I'm disappointed just managed to read to the end. A lot of christians cannot see the fraud in their pastors right in front of them every Sunday then talk of telling which story is true or not. What is so difficult to believe that a fervent christian can become an atheist? Is Hardmirror the first or is he going to be the last? There are numerous similar stories like his, even from people with more experience and works in ministry. So, what's the big deal?

Christians should challenge their faith as they say 'Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored' and if truth is absolute then it should be synonymous with curiosity and knowledge. Reading the New Testament in context as a historical text - since all the multiplicity of churches claim to be NT churches-. Read about the history of the religion you practice. Read about how the Bible you uphold came to be. Read about the doctrines you have come to believe. Read about history of your race and black people and civilisation. Read a bit of philosophy and Gnostism. I say these because no one can remain a fundamentalist with knowledge these, that's if one doesn't become atheist themselves.

What HardMirror pointed out clearly at the beginning of his story is that the supernatural in christianity is real but what is deceptive is the reason/motive behind it. His story, other than renouncing christianity, is simply saying that the miraculous experiences are not exclusive to christianity. In fact one only needs to be an illusionist with knowledge of hypnosis to perform these 'shows of miracles' synonymous with christianity. So, if these are what sustains you as a christian then some words of advice: 'Ignorance is Bliss' and don't read about what I mentioned earlier because if you do then maybe you won't be surprised anymore when you hear of stories like these. Most ex-christian are pushed into atheism by pentecostal and charismatic circles and this shouldn't be a mystery to its adherents but it is apparently. And also many people haven't experienced the shock of knowing what they have believed is untrue for most of their lives probably why they think becoming an atheist is some super spiritual battle. But it is not.

I was an atheist and I am now a christian and I don't find Hardmirror's narrative too ridiculous to believe, quite the contrary and I still do not doubt his story except he has been proven otherwise. Although, I think mentioning the name of a deceased person for the sake of an argument is a huge low but since it got to 10 pages because of a name l guess it is anticipated.

It should be helpful if HardMirror would respond:
Please share the books or documents you came across in your research about christianity that got you absolutely convinced about your current perception christianity. And also the materials on hypnotic techniques that pastors use that are not of christian origin.

Meanwhile, Jesus Saves!!! 'If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.'

Howmon:
Thank you my brother, your fears are well placed when you said what if I deny it. Let it be known that CACCF is an active fellowship with an active alumni fellowship. Your guy has not mailed me. If He has I will say it categorically. I have nothing to lose or gain from confirming His story. Our alumni fellowship is on whatsapp and I will send snapshots of conversations with the fellowship to confirm to u there is no reason to hide the name of anyone. He made the claim he should do well to tell us the name. I don't even know this hardmirror guy, can I know the year he graduated and the year He went for this outreaches and under which fellowship did He go on outreach.

dalaman:
Naijadeyhia has been banned too?

dalaman:
Great testimony? Where you not the one that shared it?

jonbellion:
I don't really have time to engage in arguments with you
You are one of the least intellegent thiests on this forum
I'd prefer people like damogul and kingebukasblog
Now stay off my mentions if you can't comprehend what I wrote
I've always said I'm agnostic
Now run along and find your mate

analice107:
We make you relevant. Without us, you die. The day we are able to wake every Christian on this forum, all of you will go down. Get that into your head.

theoneJabulani:
what are u saying? I asked for proof and u couldn't provide any neither could ur friends. Dat says a lot and I am so sure no theist will ever provide any until the sun explodes

analice107:
You recognise trams, hmmmm, i guess you were raised by one and surrounded by many now.

Howmon:
Sorry for the late response. Work has been hectic this week. I finished from FUTA November 20, 2010. I can state categorically that nobody died in our fellowship that year or the year before, we lost a sister to auto crash around 2012 tho and we also lost the then SUG president (DPO) May their souls rest in peace. You may send me an email to talk privately if you feel the name of the subject u claimed can't be said in public then I will come back to agree on said subject.
I was a member of the choir tho, not a sunday-sunday guy.

akintom:
CHRISTIANS VS ATHEISTS: WHICH GROUP IS MORE MORAL?

Results of several studies on the above topic, agreed that there's no significant difference in the moral behavior, between the Christian group and atheist group.

Christians are taught and encouraged to be moral (to bear fruit of the spirit, and not that of the flesh).

For by this fruit of the spirit bearing, atheists shall know that they are the children of their "good" God.

Using nairaland Christians as a case study:

*How real is the fruit of the spirit?

*can the spirit really make the Christian moral?

*despite the spirit, don't Christians still behave immoral?

*is the spirit really the source of moral behavior?

*if the Adamic nature (the immoral nature) is dead in Christian, why do Christians still commit immoral acts?
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Since i came on Nairaland forum, i have engaged Christians, amongst whom are pastors, priests, Rev..... Etc.

I have deliberately tested various fruit of the spirit in them, and i observed that, in more than 98% of the Christians that I have engaged so far, there's nothing close to the fruit of the spirit, in these Christians.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Rather they are full of the fruit of immorality:

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Galatians 5:21 Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Conclusion:
Generally speaking, and as far as moral standard is concerned, the Christian and the atheists have no significant difference in rating over each other.

This therefore shows that, the natural origin and evolution of morality, as propounded by behavioral neuroscientists, are true in human experience. As against the erroneous and unrealistic claims of Christians.
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My study is concluded. Henceforth, i shall engage in rational and intellectual debate and discuss, with anyone willing to engage me.

I may use the phrase:

"idiotic idea"
"such thinking is puerile"
"reasons like these are stupid and nonsensical" etc

NB - these should not be taken as personal insults, but as descriptive words for impersonal text.

I shall choose to discontinue any debate that, descend into derogatory use of words, directed at my "person" and not my "text".

Thanks.

akintom:
http://kidswithoutgod.com/teens/ask/where-do-atheists-get-their-morality/

raphieMontella:
if you have a name...you confirmed that that part of his story is true..simple as that..
If you have a name....you can create a trap...
If you have a name...you can dig further from your source...so do it and expose him already..6 pages and nothing but accusations and insults...its pathetic...
There are living persons on the thread sire...verify from them sire...
One commented or so...verify/prove he's a liar not accusations..its simple sire
so lets just wait for hanhow...if you're unwilling..

raphieMontella:
wrong angle..
Sir,,y'all are looking at it from the wrong angle...
The name of the dead man is irrelevant...
The issue is---did someone die in Futa in 2010 from ulcer complications?..more specific..a ccaf member who organized programs etc
its as simple as that...

you said futa alumni are easy to contact...
Why not contact them and ask? Whats stopping you if you cant wait for hanhow..
If you're convinced his story is a lie..
Why not contact/verify from the living persons he gave on his thread?
One even commented or soo..
Whats holding you back?

analice107:
I see you are not a mature person.
Now move along.

Those reading would have come to know the truth by now.

uvalued:
oh oh oh so you would honor the dead that is dead than the living who are asking you to mention a NAME?

the dead broza is sleeping and dont worry he would not haunt you except... you have a feeling that there is a connection between the dead ad supernatural...how do i know...here

supernatural is real wooooow

HardMirror:
Do you really think I care if you believe or not? What do you mean by I shld help my story?

HardMirror:
[b]I want it to die a natural death? And I am here replying since 4am? [/b]Does that look like someone who wants the thread to die?
Or maybe I shld ignore the thread altogether since it seems most of you have a short supply of intelligence.

raphieMontella:
help him out?
Futa has no connection with asaba...
He has given the guy what to start on...
Its the guys turn to come and state his findings...hardmirror was specific..
It seems the dude wasnt in the fellowship...so we wait on him..

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if we should go by the christians style..
The asker should provide evidence he's an alumni of FUTA too

analice107:
HopefulLandlord has gone quiet.

raphieMontella:
threads dont have to be opened before it sways a person...
We're derailing landlord's thread tho..wait for the ''hano guy or so.

KingEbukasBlog:
He owes everyone an explanation . His lies reached the front page of this forum . Why wasn't an investigation made to verify his stories in the first place . Apparently , he told lies to deceive the gullible . Funny enough , I'm yet to find any Christian who bought his lies .

analice107:
So answer the guy. What was the name of the student?

felixomor:
Thank u for showing him.

You know Seun doesnt read the bible, except when he wants to open a thread.

oluwaseyi000:
let me help your curiosity: he converted because he believe religion is an hoax, God do not exist and all religions are simply based on psychology.

don't you do comprehension in English language

now can you pls point out his lies

let me help your curiosity: he converted because he believe (Believes not Believe) religion is an (a not an) hoax, God do (does not do) not exist and all religions are simply based on psychology.

don't you do comprehension in English language

now can you pls point out his lies

paulGrundy:
That's just it! The information he's been asked will not in anyway put his life or identity @risk. A monicker named Frosbel has opened a thread here similar to his, he gave important details to buttress his points, e.g name of pastor incharge of his campus fellowship, pictures of a sunday service from his church e.t.c. He was not threatened or lynched by christain brothers. I think Hardmirror is scared that the integrity of his account will come under fire if he gives hardcore facts which is normal when there are many lies and misrepresentations in the account.

Leave the guy jare, am enjoying his telenovela.