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haddeylium:
Answer this two questions
Is mutation disastrous or helpful?
Does a mutation produce anything new?

haddeylium:
omgg
Man thought he's in discuss with all these random churchgoers he can toss around with useless theory

FatherOfJesus:
you don’t understand evolution if you do then answer this question. No maneuvers.
Why have we stopped using chloroquine to treat malaria parasite?

FatherOfJesus:
You are running from pillar to post.
Everything you have typed doesn’t have a single evidence for backup so I can’t pay attention to that.
If you understand theory of evolution, tell us why we can no longer treat Malaria parasite infection with the drug “chloroquine”
Just give me the answer, I’m not interested in your stories

MrPRevailer:
Watching with brontoscope
Oya, Explain it.
Also explain Mark 9:43-44 "it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Also explain Luke 16:28 "Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

FatherOfJesus:
Anybody who understand theory of Evolution don’t dispute it.

I put it to you that you don’t understand it.
I can prove that by asking you just one question that will unveil your ignorance as regard the subject matter.
Are you game?

FatherOfJesus:
[s]you are a poor student of geography.
Come on, just admit you don’t know it.[/s]

DappaD:
Usually when people begin to get sarcastic, you know they've exhausted all they have in store. So the next thing is to act like a comedian.

FatherOfJesus:
you keep talking about evolution like you actually know what it is

I can prove to you that you don’t know what evolution is.
Should I?

FatherOfJesus:
Not clear, You gave me another definition of FIXED to prove your point. You don’t have to lie bro.
There’s no Harm in accepting that you don’t know.
In science, nothing is fixed, everything is in motion. Please I’m done with your redefinition of fixed
It gives me the impression that the Bible was written by confused people who can’t relay their point coherently

DappaD:
No. The analogy is there for you to read.
For someone to claims to be a science professor, not only can you not prove youe evolution theory but you also have little or no knowledge regarding the laws governing the universe and where and how the earth is actually fixated. Note that I transited from the Bible's view to the view accepted by science to prove the reliability of the Bible.

FatherOfJesus:
But your explanation gives an inference that the Bible was portly translated from Hebrew to English hence the confusion.

DappaD:
The earth in that Bible verse was compared to a building.(compare Hebrews 3:4)
Like I said, the Bible defines things in ways the layman can understand.

Just like the foundation holds a literal building in place is the same way those unseen forces that govern the universe hold the earth in place so that it will not move away from its designated area in which it's meant to revolve.

FatherOfJesus:
lol, now you are gonna give us another definition for FIXED just to prove the Bible is consistent with science.

You are funny lol

FatherOfJesus:
The word foundation cannot confuse me, it’s an English word with a clear meaning.
All you’re explanation gives the impression that the Bible was poorly translated into English language

FatherOfJesus:
I have posted verses where the Bible said the earth is fixed.

Explain those verses to me

FatherOfJesus:
3. How can evaporation even work on a fixed earth?


Do you know science at all?

FatherOfJesus:
1. But the Bible also said in the book of Genesis chapter 1 vs 1-6 that the earth was built on a firmament. Please don’t change the definition of firmament.
Seems like the Bible contradicts itself.

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”
Let’s start from number one.

FatherOfJesus:
Should I disbelieve google and Wikipedia and believe you?

FatherOfJesus:
lol, ok list those areas where science agrees with the Bible.

FatherOfJesus:
Yes evolution is accepted by more than 90 percent of scientist. That’s enough

MaxInDHouse:
He wants to support WHO to make a cover but i know he may choose to stay in Islam (his family religion) i've done my own part and he himself have testified to the accuracy of the teachings of JWs. So if he now decides to deceive his own soul when all evidence is clear before him that's his own cup of coffee. It's not blood transfusion that health professionals themselves can't vouch for that should be the reason he's shying away from the truth.
I have many like him who are still in Islam till now, all what they're after is to be approved by family relations who are practicing the same religion with them. So he shouldn't think he has anything to say against Churchgoers who also cherish families and friends in their churches much more than the truth!

FatherOfJesus:
Remember what the point is?
The point is that Bible and science are direct opposite of each other.

I think you have confirmed that by yourself

Do you want to move to the next argument?

FatherOfJesus:
Because they are at loggerhead doesn’t justify whatever opinion the Bible gives on the subject matter. This is a fallacy of appealing to ignorance. Most times, they don’t even regard what the Bible says in their loggerhead

Because we don’t know where the spark of life came from (even as the question is fallacious) doeesnt mean that God did it. If you assume that God did it without presenting evidence because we don’t know how it came to be, that will be a fallacy of “god of gaps”. Because we don’t know today doesn’t mean we won’t find out tomorrow

The questions you asked above all are fallacious as it doesn’t address any of the points I raised. This in philosophy is called fallacy of straw man. You ended up creating another argument that is convinient for you to debate and then you starting firing at another cylinder.

The Bible did not answer those questions, it gave magical explanations that cannot be verified. Those explanations were most likely given by archaic humans who have no idea how the universe work

FatherOfJesus:
Its not about standing out superficial, it’s about if your assertions are consistent with reality, which hasn’t been the case with the Bible .
I strongly think that the Bible and science are direct opposite of each other.
Looking at the following:
1. Origin of life
2. Evolution of life
3. Nature of the universe and the solar system.
4. Origin of the universe.
Science is always in direct opposite to what the Bible describes in regards to all listed above.

FatherOfJesus:
sorry, the definition for a dust is well defined.
By definition dust should also contained pollen grains, textile fiber, paper fiber and minerals.

I also strongly disagree with you that the Bible agrees with science.

MrPRevailer:
haddeylium DappaD
I would like to ask you. Since you argue animals have a soul, where do all animals go after they die?

FatherOfJesus:
sorry no evidence we are made of dust and will go back to being dust.

This can be proven by not burying a corpse. It won’t turn to dust but will eventually be decomposed into atomic and molecular constituents.

MrPRevailer:

Ok. So I uphold KJV as the original. This is what majorly sets us apart in this discussion.
I don't know greek or Hebrews. But I know the most spiritual Hebrew translators have done a good job writing the KJV. I don't need endtime Hebrew teachers yo impose their pervasive/subversive doctrines because taking advantage of me and because
I don't know Hebrew language.

MrPRevailer:
Simply put, you have been deceived by modern translations which aim to change the original translation to kill the scriptural power and uniqueness.

In that same translation, i'm sure it also removed the word "Begotten" in John 3:16

It also removes the trinity of God from 1 John 5:7
The father,Son and Holy ghost. These three are one.

The Bible warned us of those in the last days who will deceive many by coming in the name of Christ. These news translators have removed and added to the Bible. The curse of Revelation 22:18-19 is upon them.

MrPRevailer:
Slap yourself hard please.

DappaD:
Did God breathe the soul or the breath of life into Adam?

Sodiquinone:
WHO isnt promoting blood transfusion when needed, big lie

MrPRevailer:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

MrPRevailer:
Your analogy is wrong.
It's like you saying that all mammals are dogs because all dogs are mammals.
All creatures are not souls. All souls are creatures.
"Soul" is not synonymous to "Creature"

Revelation16:3 is not proof that soul referred to animals. Again you are using same analogy.
The fact that both animals and humans died does not mean Soul is referring to both.

The Soul cannot lose consciousness. Eternal Separation from God is called death as in second death) Romans 6:23.
And it's nothing but sin/transgression that result to that type of death. It is sin, not the mere mortal wound of creature. So are you saying animals, insects will go to hellfire?

Revelation 20: shows us that all living and dead souls were judged.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Every man. It does not say 'every man and animal, or every creature. Didn't much animals die in the sea too?

This is the death the Bible refers to in Ezekiel 18:4 for sin and transgression. So we can see only man has soul.
Also see revelation 21:8

MrPRevailer:
There is no disagreement but a lack of simple understanding on your part.

The formed body is the carcase. The breath that God breathed is the spirit of man, the soul.