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BigBashiru:
Ham is the seed of Canaan. Ham is "in Canaan" spiritually speaking... So Ham is cursed in Canaan. The curse of Canaan includes both Canaan and his seed Ham.

Sorry sir but what did you just type up there?
The Bible is quite clear on who the curse was placed on but it seems you're not ready to accept the views of the Scriptures.

jesusjnr2020:
I'm sure if it disagreed with your translation like the King James you would have still shown it to me, lol!
Abeg carry your lies go jare. "The wise men conspired with Herod" according to you.
That's how you'd keep falsely accusing

true men of God


and still be talking Truth!
When you don't have any regard for Jesus the only begotten Son of God, what would one expect?
Next time you'd carry your falsehood and come to a thread speaking the Truth again.

I'm sorry but the bolded is in error. I thought by now you should have realised the truth. Matthew 2:1 says the “magi” [sorcerers/astrologers/stargazers/magicians] visited Jerusalem. So sorcerers are now “true men of God” even though their customs and practices are in direct contrast with God's Laws? Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12, Acts 13:6

jesusjnr2020:
I'm sure if it disagreed with your translation like the King James you would have still shown it to me, lol!
Abeg carry your lies go jare

. "The wise men conspired with Herod."


That's how you'd keep falsely accusing true men of God.
When you don't have any regard for Jesus the only begotten Son of God, what would one expect?
Next time you'd carry your falsehood and come to a thread speaking the Truth again.

Note that I myself said: “Herod conspired with the wise men” so the word “conspire” leaves a big gap open because it would mean the astrologers also had a hand in it. So my error is the English word I used. Let me quote directly please. Matthew 2:7 says that Herod secretly summoned these astrologers. That is, not in the presence of the Jewish scribes. The astrologers did not know the intentions of Herod but Herod himself doesn't tolerate rivalry and he knew what he was doing that's why he privately spoke to them.
So I'm sorry if it's the big English that brought about the confusion.

BigBashiru:

Read the table of nations. Egypt is referred to as the land of Ham.
If you have ever lived in Europe then come to live in Africa afterwards - the cultural difference substantiated the curse.

Mizraim/Egypt was the son of Ham. Again the curse was on Canaan not all the sons of Ham, not even Ham himself. Genesis 9:25

jesusjnr2020:
When you lie and falsify things concerning Christ the Messiah, as the JWs are well known for, what do you expect?
Those men were "wise men"! Whichever source you dug that your whatever from cannot be more authentic than the translation given in King James Version. You have obvious reasons why you discredit it because it exposes your lies!
By the way, the other ideas you also brought up have been debunked like "the wise men" conspired with Herod".
Stop believing lies.
You'd eventually end up where all liars do.

I thought you said it's from JWs translation I was referring to before?
Why are you changing mouth now?

See Mr man if you like, do research and be noble-minded like the Beroeans(Acts 17:11)
If you like too, remain in your delusions and refuse to acknowledge the truth.
I couldn't care less what you do actually.

BigBashiru:
the culture of the blacks suggests this curse may well be true....

The curse Noah placed was on Canaan and not Ham. Genesis 9:25
The Canaanites were actually light-skinned who lived east of the Mediterranean sea. But this has nothing to do with skin colour.
As for which of Noah's sons blacks originated from, another of Ham's sons, Cush was closely related with the ancient tribe of Ethiopia so that's where the blacks descended from. (Genesis 10:6-7, Isaiah 43:3)


But all this issue of skin colour doesn't matter to God since it's from one man(Adam) that we all descended from(Acts 17:26) so whether Black, White, Asian, Oriental, we know that God is not partial and whoever does his will is acceptable to him. Acts 10:34-35

jesusjnr2020:
Keep your false JW translation to yourself!
They were wise men from the East. The same East that produced the likes of Job, Abraham who walked with God, and where the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego were showcased by God.
Stop believing lies!

Oh so you've already seen me through lens of prejudice, is that it?
Check the Greek rendering for Matthew 2:1 in the screenshot below from biblehub.com before rushing to conclusions. JWs do not own biblehub.com sir.

Matthew never called anybody “wise men”. That's just an attribute of your modern-day KJV Bibles.
The Greek word Matthew rendered in Matthew 2:1 was μάγοι[magi; singular: magos] which is open to a lot of meaning such as astrologers, stargazers, conjurers, sorcerers. That same “magi” word is also found at Acts 13:6 and is accurately rendered as “sorcerer” in your KJV Bible.
All of these are practices condemned by the Mosaic Law. Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12
Go figure!

jesusjnr2020:
What evidence are you talking about?
Do you have any idea who called those men wise men?
It was Matthew a disciple of Jesus not some worldly person or gentile, and for Matthew to do so that means they were wise men in God's sight just as the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
So that means they were wise men granted wisdom and understanding by God not the devil. And it was this same God gave them that wisdom that revealed to them the Truth about the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus and how to track Him.
So wherever you got this evidence is not of the Truth but from a false source.

MaxInDHouse:
When we tell them they need to learn from Jesus' brothers (Governing Body) they are proving stubborn and arrogant, now they're secretly yielding to the teachings of JWs.

Just imagine the livingchrist guy saying "Jesus and JEHOVAH are separate persons"

Even if they are shy to admit it JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are teaching them!

Well-done my brothers may Jehovah crown our effort!

This guy just reminded of solite3 and DrLiveLogic matter sha

I don't understand what isn't found in the Bible abi?
Just quote anywhere in the Bible where the word “Trinity” is located. Even if it's just one occurrence please!

livingchrist:
you Jehovah witness do not know what trinity is, trinity doctrine does not teach that Jesus and the father are the same person but rather they are one being.
Trinity actually means one God in three persons and three persons in one God.
The person of the father is same as the son neither is it same as the holy Spirit but all the same God.

OP I'm sorry but your conclusions do not corroborate with the evidence given. How could God have been the one to reveal details about the Messiah to the so-called “wise men” in question?

First of all, those “wise men” practiced magic and they were stargazers. This was something abominable from God's standpoint. Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12

So God couldn't have been the person responsible for the “star” that led those astrologers since it's well documented in the Mosaic Law that God's people must never be drawn/inclined to worship or receive direction from the celestial bodies. (Deuteronomy 4:19 see also Isaiah 47:13)

Secondly, this “star” led these “wise men” to Jerusalem. Then after meeting with Herod, he inquired of the Jewish scribes the location of the birth of the Messiah. (Matthew 2:4-6 see also Micah 5:2)
Herod then summoned the “wise men” and asked them to locate the Messiah in Bethlehem. Meanwhile Herod himself had set up a plan to exterminate this “Messiah” because he didn't want to tolerate rivalry.

If it was truly God who sent this “star”, why would the same God intervene by warning them not to return to Herod? Matthew 2:12?

Why would God be the cause of the deaths of many children because of a “star”? Obviously the “star” wasn't from divine origin because God cannot cause such a wicked thing to happen. Matthew 2:16 see also Job 34:10

Janosky:
You knew all this, yet you claimed that Jesus is Jehovah,his God and Father, John 20:17.
Bros, no play hide and seek, reject Trinity GIBBERISH completely
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livingchrist:
Jesus also prayed for his disciples to be one as they are one. John 17vv11.
By saying Jesus and the father are the same person you make Jesus a liar.
John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Did you see where Jesus called his father 'another'.
If Jesus (as one person) bears witness then his witness cannot be true (according to the law).

I see that regular contact with Jehovah's Witnesses is already having positive impact on you. That's something one doesn't see everyday.
Just pray that your brethren Emusan and co. don't ostracize you oo

Sanchez01:
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Refusing to FLEE from idolatry is what's wrong. Exodus 20:4-5, 1Corinthians 10:14, 1John 5:21.

Preciousgirl:

This was the charge of Jesus to Christians
Acts 1:8-9
[8]But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
[9]Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
Jesus charged Christians to witness HIM (Jesus) but Jehovah Witnesses are witnesses Jehovah. JWs are against Jesus so they disobey Him with impunity
Flee from them antichrists

Did you make all these claims after investigating if they were so? Or you just feel like running your mouth because of envy? I just hope you are able to finish what you've just started.

First of all who do you think Jehovah and Jesus are?
The Bible which Jehovah's Witnesses strongly believe is inspired of God says that Jehovah is the true God whom we must render sacred service to. Deuteronomy 4:39, Matthew 4:10
Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Firstborn & only-begotten Son(Matthew 16:16, John 20:31, Colossians 1:15-17, Revelation 3:14) whom God sent to the earth to:
1. Preach the good news of God's Kingdom. Luke 4:43
2. Set an example/model for we to follow closely. John 13:15, 1Peter 2:21
3. Give his life as a ransom in exchange for us(Matthew 20:28) in order to:
a. Redeem those exercising faith in him from slavery to sin and death[salvation] (Romans 3:24,8:21) so that such ones can have everlasting life. John 3:16, Hebrews 5:9
b. Provide a covering/atonement for our sins so that we can approach Jehovah God with a clean conscience and so that our sins can be forgiven. Hebrews 9:13-14, Colossians 1:14

Regarding the number 1 in the previous paragraph, Jesus said himself that he was SENT by his God to preach about that Kingdom(John 6:38) since the Bible had earlier stated that it was Jehovah who would establish the Kingdom and install Jesus as the King of that Kingdom. (Daniel 2:44, Luke 1:31-33, Revelation 11:15)

At Isaiah 43:10, Jehovah God said regarding his servants[and that includes Jesus Christ(Acts 3:13)]:
“You are my witnesses.”
So because Jesus preached God's Kingdom and is our Exemplar, he is regarded as the Faithful and True Witness about who? None other than Jehovah his God. Revelation 1:5, 3:14
Jehovah's Witnesses follow in like manner to talk to or witness to our neighbours about Jehovah and Jesus Christ who gave his life as a ransom for us. That's where Acts 1:8 comes in.

We acknowledge that Jesus is due honour(Philippians 2:11), BUT we worship and render sacred service only to Jehovah God! Exodus 34:14
That which Jesus also encouraged us to do.
We are to love Jehovah God with all our whole hearts, mind, soul and strength and render to him worship which he deserves. Deuteronomy 6:4-5,13; Matthew 22:37

The main theme of Jesus' preaching was the good news of God's Kingdom. Matthew 9:35, Luke 4:43
And he also said during our time, that same good news of the Kingdom would be preached to all nations, tribes and tongues. Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20


Now, who would you say is actually following in Jesus' footsteps by preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom to their neighbours from house to house currently in over 240 lands?
Matthew 10:11-13, Acts 5:42??
Who else other than Jehovah's Witnesses? Or can you point to any other religious group that does this extensively and even lives by that message? John 18:36?
Though, the pandemic brought restrictions and difficulties, we're still preaching nonetheless to our neighbors, not from house to house for now BUT virtually through the telephone. 2Timothy 4:2
So how does your antichrist claim fit into any of this?


Next time before you begin making unfounded utterances, try and investigate for yourself about our beliefs. Our website https://www.jw.org/en/ which is available in more than a 1,000 languages is open to all who desire to learn the truth. Make good use of this method because the only way to gain everlasting life is to take in accurate knowledge of Jehovah and his Son, Jesus Christ. John 17:3

ThePlainTruth:
Every Christian needs to read this. This is the main reason the Jews do not accept Jesus as The Messiah. The Jews believe that the Messiah will only come once and there will be permanent peace on earth . So there may still be another Messiah coming.

Wait let me get you straight. The Messiah should come and force everybody to make peace abi? Because if it's by force, then it's no more different from the UN who can go to lengths of wars and conflicts in the name of establishing “peace”.

Jesus Christ made it clear that all those who willingly embrace his teachings will never take up weapons of war to resolve conflicts and that they would be peaceful with their neighbours. Matthew 26:52, Luke 6:29

So stop deceiving yourself, it was the Jews and other stiff-necked people who chose not to follow the real Messiah's teachings so that peace can be achieved amongst them. The fault was not from Jesus but from the Jews and neither will he force anybody to follow after him. Matthew 16:24, Mark 6:1-4

You're waiting for another Messiah to come shey? Okay but just know that the next encounter the Messiah concerning this earth will be bloody between him and the present earth's inhabitants who do not obey God and the good news about Jesus Christ himself. 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, Revelation 16:14-16, 19:11-21
Then after that, God's Kingdom will be firmly established on the earth and true PEACE & SECURITY can now reign amongst the earth's inhabitants who have sought Jehovah God, righteousness and meekness. Psalm 37:11,29; Isaiah 9:7, Zephaniah 2:2-3, Matthew 5:5, 2Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1-4
Until then, everybody has a choice to make.

ThePlainTruth:
But Jesus said: Matthew 10:34 “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace".

Oga read the verse 35 and 36 before you conclude.
Jesus was well aware that world would neither welcome nor approve of his message of the Kingdom which he preached and by extension, since the world hated and persecuted him, his own disciples who are going from house to house to preach about God's Kingdom will also be hated and persecuted by their family members and others. Matthew 10:11-13,22;Acts 5:42

Matthew 10:35-36 has already answered the question for you.
A man's[believer's] enemies will be those of his household all because he's chosen to become a disciple of Jesus Christ. Micah 7:6
So it's the unbelieving family members who will want to cause trouble and chaos for the one who is a follower of Jesus who by reason of being a true Christian is peaceable with all sorts of men. Romans 12:18, 1Peter 3:11

reubenobi:
Do you mean the group that base their faith on scientific method ? Keep on deceiving yourself there.

Expatiate on what you mean by the bolded?

vybzkartel:
Do you mean bloodline descendants?

The “elect” or “chosen ones” were originally meant to come from the bloodline descendants of Jacob since Jesus was sent to only the house of Israel(Matthew 15:24)
But since Israel proved stubborn and rejected Jesus as the Messiah(Mark 6:4), God abandoned the literal nation of Israel and extended that invitation to the Gentiles i.e. men from the nations(Matthew 21:43)
That's why apostle Paul stressed the real meaning of the term “Israel of God”(Galatians 6:16), he said those who are part of this new nation of “Israel” are not actually the fleshly descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but rather those who have been chosen by God's holy spirit to become a new spiritual Israel so they are truly “Abraham's offspring” not by fleshly relationships but by reason of being God's spirit sons. Romans 9:6-8

vybzkartel:

Mark 13:20-22
[20]And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
[21]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it.
[22]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

1. Who are these elect?
2. Who elected them?
3. Why were they elected?
4. At what time were they elected?

Thank you

1. The “elect” or “chosen ones” are those who have been chosen, anointed and sealed by God's holy spirit. They will number into a total of 144,000 as Revelation 7:1-8&14:1-5 put it.
Since they are naturally flesh, they will become “born again” i.e. spirit-begotten and given a new birth by incorruptible seed(1Peter 1:23) so when they finish their conquest on earth, they'll be adopted as spirit sons of God and resurrected in an immortal, incorruptible spirit body. Romans 8:14-17, 1Corinthians 15:42-44

2. God chooses those who will become Kingdom heirs alongside his Son, Jesus Christ. It's not by human choice. Matthew 20:20-23, John 1:12

3. The “chosen ones” are to become kings, priests, judges alongside Jesus Christ. 1Corinthians 6:2, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 5:9-10, 20:4-6

4. Summary of John 3:3-6: Unless someone is “born again” i.e. chosen, anointed and sealed by God's holy spirit, he cannot rule in God's Kingdom so the verse 5 says at the point of their baptism, they will born of water and spirit i.e. fully immersed in water and chosen by God's holy spirit. 1Peter 2:9

OpenYourEyes1:
"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." — John 3:1-3


Satan and his servants cannot do real miracle... They fake it!

All of such Powers come from GOD

How do you think the foremost Egyptian magicians Jannes and Jambres were able to duplicate some of the signs that Moses performed? Or do you think those were not miracles as well? Exodus 7:10-12, 2Timothy 3:8

Satan and his demons teach humans several things who are open to their influence, so don't think people learnt magic and sorcery by chance. 2Corinthians 4:4, 2Thessalonians 2:9

For your information, the miraculous “STAR” seen by those wise men some months after Jesus was born was from Satan so that's one way Satan uses to communicate with astrologers or wise men and he has several other tactics he uses. Matthew 2:2, 2Corinthians 2:11

So that's why Jesus advised us not to get our hopes up or be alarmed during these last days when we see impostors performing many miraculous works in his name.Matthew 7:21-23, 24:11, 1Timothy 4:1
Because Jesus himself acknowledged that many would perform real SIGNS AND WONDERS, not as an expression of God's holy spirit but through the means Satan uses. Matthew 24:24

Truvel:
D Bible Passage Matthew 19:4-6 Is Abt Whether A Man Should Divorce His Wife Or Not. I.e On What Ground Should A Man Divorce His Wife?

Summary of Matthew 19:1-9 and Romans 7:2-3:

Whoever divorces his wife on “every sort of grounds” except on basis of infidelity and death of the partner and then marries another commits adultery.
Surely Jesus Christ and apostle Paul would not make such statements if their intentions were to convey to others that they could have polygamous marriages.

I strongly believe we should stick to what God's Word the Bible says on such matters. Genesis 2:24
So when Jesus was questioned by the Pharisees, he directed their attention to the original standard that God himself set. Mathew 19:4-6
Besides none of those people you mentioned in the outset are qualified for everlasting life yet since they'll be resurrected in the future(Acts 24:15)
The Bible said if we want to gain everlasting life, we MUST[non-negotiable] listen to Jesus Christ and obey his commandments. John 3:36/Acts 4:12

Truvel:
What Abt Jacob, Esau, David, Moses, Abraham & Others Dat Had More Dan One Wives?

The patriarchs and later the Israelites all chose to keep more than one wife. But God's standards had always been one man for one woman.

Take the Israelites for example, imagine after bringing this stiffnecked people out of Egypt, God now demands that they all should keep just one wife. How do you think things would have been? They'll be commotion everywhere that's why God allowed them have their way until his onlyBegotten Son, Jesus came and reset the factory settings to one man one woman standard for marriage. Matthew 19:4-6

Truvel:
According To D Bible 1tim3:1-3 It Says A Bishop Must Be A Man Of One Wife. One Wife, One Husband Is Meant 4 Bishops, Not Generally 4 Every Christians.

I guess Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:4-6 and 1Corinthians 7:2, 9:5 got lost in your Bible?

uncleck:
Shouldn't your last paragraph make you jealous of them in all sincerity?

The young man thinks his petty nairaland tricks can dissuade any honesthearted person from embracing the truth. Meanwhile he's doing quite the opposite as you've realized.
One of my JW brothers in the U.S. was questioned why Witnesses do not participate in politics, since perhaps we are very honest people(Hebrews 13:18). His reply was:
“Why should we? We have solved the problems that are tearing your world apart—prejudice, for example. Why should we trade in the gold for the mud? ”

Mechie onu gi there
You can even see the title of your thread—you want to prove something to Jehovah's Witnesses something when you've not proved the identity of your trinity god to your trinitarian brother that both of you worship. Remove the rafter from your eye and from your brother's before you approach JWs and start displaying your ignorance on NL.

livingchrist:
same way an atheist will also discredit the existence of God due to disagreement by theists.
Belief in God or trinity is not basis for unity for even the devils believe there is God.

MaxInDHouse:
OK it's no more JWs that needs to know the identity of Jesus, rather two Trinitarians are now disputing over who knows Jesus better!

When i said there's no need wasting time with this guy he's just blabbing it might seem as if Max was joking. Now let's see how two Trinitarians agree first before they can help JWs (who are united in faith) to know Jesus better!

All of them just enjoy masquerading under their usual “Jesus is Lord” slogan but when problem arises, you'll see them for who they truly are

ThePlainTruth:
Of all 613 commandments in the old testament law https://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html none on mastubation so the plain truth is that mastubation is not a sin. Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Meditate on this.

Excuse you, OP asked an important question and is in need of help, is he not? Why not give advice you deem necessary in your own eyes while I give mine according to the Scriptures?

Three important Bible principles:
Matthew 5:28
Colossians 3:5
Philippians 4:8
Meditate on each of them.

livingchrist:
The explicitly said that Jesus kingdom will have no end. Luke 1:33

Expand that Luke 1:31-33 well
It says that Jehovah will give him a “Kingdom”? That is, Jesus being the one having legal right to be the prominent Heir(Ezekiel 21:27), therefore once Jesus Christ has completed his assignment he will hand over that “Kingdom” to his Father who gave it to him in the first place. 1Corinthians 15:24-28

This never-ending cycle of arguments is just a result of you cherrypicking scriptures and refusing to accept that other parts of the Bible contribute to the overall theme of what God's Kingdom is.

freshboi88:

Now u r saying everlasting has an end. What kind of dullard is this

freshboi88:

Mumu....The glory shared was dropped by Jesus willingly when he decided to redeem you...Kai!!...Phil 2:7. It's there in scripture. He became a servant for u....he was never a servant
Now God has given him back the glory he decided to walk away from because of u. He was given what was his already.
Senselessness should be your middle name

I'm done with your bickering, young man.

osuulola:
But they do have their Bible version? It's been long I got visited by a Jehovah witness - I'd remember our Bibles don't agree sometimes. Yet we had very fruitful conversations.

The NWT also has several features. It harmonizes with the original Hebrew and Greek texts whereas the KJ and others often add or subtract from the original texts.