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osuulola:
But they do have their Bible version? It's been long I got visited by a Jehovah witness - I'd remember our Bibles don't agree sometimes. Yet we had very fruitful conversations.

The New World Translation published by Jehovah's Witnesses restores the Divine Name of the true God, Jehovah to the more than 7,000 places in the Scriptures where it belongs. There's nothing like masquerading under the title “LORD” so we're not confused on who Jehovah and Jesus are.
Moreover the NWT uses modern English. Nothing like “spaketh” or “findeth” or “walketh” in it. We've gone past old English and I'm sure you agree.

osuulola:

If you consider Jehovah witnesses and Mormons to be Christians, they get them own Bible but apart from those, I know not!

When Jehovah's Witnesses came to your door in the past, didn't they usually ask you to bring out your King James Bible so as to continue the discussion? In my experience, I've seen that most people just like shifting goalposts when it comes to Biblical matters. First, people will accuse JWs of having their own Bibles, then when JWs quote the same verse from their King James, they'll shift attention and say the Bible has been edited and reedited! So many people are fond of this.

freshboi88:
You your God given brain for once Mister Man.
The people you quoted can u provide any of them making this statement:
John 17:5 and now glorify me, thou Father, along with thyself, with the glory which I had along with thee before the world was.
[s]Telling a lie one million times will never make it true[/s]...

In his final prayer to Jehovah, not to himself, Jesus requested that his Father glorify/exalt him to the state in which he was before coming to the earth. Because according to Philippians 2:7, he took the form of a servant by becoming human. So he prayed that Jehovah restore him to spirit life in heavens.
And Jehovah indeed “glorified his Servant, Jesus” after his death and resurrection. Acts 3:13
Still no mention of any glory shared.

livingchrist:
'king' is not a title peculiar only to Jehovah.
But you see eehen the title Lord of Lords, God of gods is only for Jehovah.

So where is that one written in the Bible? So far as the Bible indicates, the titles reserved for only Jehovah are King of Eternity, the Almighty, the Grand Creator, Sovereign Lord and many many others that I can't remember now. Ecclesiastes 12:1; Revelation 15:3
But for the “Word of God”, Jesus to become “King of Kings, Lord of Lords” it shows that the authority was bestowed on him, not that he originally had it before. Revelation 19:11-16

freshboi88:
You type like a 9 year old..Boy!!!
If they put your sense on auction, the highest bid will be 5 naira....Ode!!!
U think u have made sense. U would have if these verses were not in the Bible.
2 Sam 7:16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established for ever before you: your throne shall be established for ever.
Palsm 45:6Your throne, O God, c will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
So what is common in all these scriptures. They point to an everlasting Kingdom of Christ reign. Do u know the meaning of Everlasting??
Everlasting..... Something that has no end...Ages to Ages Christ reigns.
Now come back to ur interpretation of the verse u put up. Does it tally with an everlasting Christ reign. No!!!.....This renders your interpretation useless and not consistent with scripture.

Calm down. Jehovah promised Phinehas son of Eleazar an EVERLASTING PRIESTHOOD. Numbers 25:13
That is, Phinehas and his offspring were to carry out priestly duties FOREVER.
But wasn't that arrangement discontinued when the Greater High Priest, Jesus Christ came on the scene? Hebrews 6:20
The priesthood of Aaron, Eleazar, Phinehas and others served their purpose but the arrangement had to be changed to fit the one who was coming after them. Deuteronomy 18:15,18
It's the same with Jesus Christ. His Kingdom is everlasting in the sense that it will fully serve its purpose during his 1,000year rule(Rev 20:4-6), before he hands it over back to his Father, Jehovah. 1Corinthians 15:24-28

livingchrist:
see yeye a king is what anybody bear but not the title king of kings, and Lord of lords. There are many kings but there is only one King of kings.
Jehovah gives people authority but has he ever given anyone his position before? Only Jehovah is called the king of kings and the Lord of lords.
Jesus shared the glory of The father with him.
that the father has belongs to Jesus what part of it is not clear.
All the positions/glory/honor of the father also belongs to him.

This question is still waiting for you.

DappaD:
With that aside, while Hezekiah was ruling as king over Judah, why was Jehovah still calling himself “King”? Isaiah 44:6

livingchrist:
bros, mediator is not a title for God but the king of Kings, and Lord of lords is a title for Jehovah.
Can you go and bear the title of the president of Nigeria, let's see what happen to you, how much God that is a jealous God.
That title king of kings and Lord of lords strictly belongs to Jehovah and he does not share his glory with another.
Full stop

Mediator is not a title for Jehovah, fine. Okay, so since Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant, certainly that cannot make him God since he's the go-between. Do you find yourself at crossroads here? I hope so for your sake.

Know today that authority bestowed on someone doesn't mean glory was shared at any point. After all, in ancient Israel, Jehovah gave his holy spirit to several imperfect men so they could accomplish several tasks as leaders, judges and even kings.

Jehovah allowed imperfect humans, ‘dead men walking’ in fact to occupy his throne on earth. 1Chronicles 29:23. He has also granted the same authority to Jesus to rule in a greater capacity in heaven. Ezekiel 21:27/Revelation 3:21
Jesus is to rule as King over those who will rule as subordinate kings and Lord over those who will become subordinate lords whom will eventually number into a 144,000 under-kings, priests, judges. 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 14:1-5, 20:4,6

With that aside, while Hezekiah was ruling as king over Judah, why was Jehovah still calling himself “King”? Isaiah 44:6

Did Jehovah share his glory with any of the aforementioned even after granting them authority?
Your guess is as good as mine.
That's the real FULLSTOP mister man.

livingchrist:
It also means God gave his glory to another.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

After I've dealt with your friend, the next thing for him to do is to agree with whatever garbage comes out from your mouth.

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DappaD:
Where did you get the idea that giving authority meant sharing glory?

Of course Moses was the appointed Leader of Israel who was given authority from God and acted as mediator between Jehovah and the Israelites but on the issue of whom the Israelites were to worship and render sacred service, there was no question that exclusive devotion was reserved for Jehovah alone.(Exodus 34:14)

Jehovah never shared his glory with Moses even after he was the one(representative) who brought Israel out of Egypt, Jehovah still took all the credit for it because it was only possible through Him. Exodus 20:2

We all know what happened when Moses tried to take credit/glory for the miracle Jehovah performed through Moses at the waters of Meribah. Numbers 20:10 see also Psalm 106:32-33
It was for that reason that Aaron and Moses were prevented from entering the Promised land. Numbers 20:12

Even after Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him, he still quoted the Law and directed all worship to Jehovah. Matthew 4:10/Deuteronomy 6:13
Jesus never for once took credit/glory for anything he did. He always directed attention to his Father and God on all occasions. Mark 10:18
Jesus said that he didn't come to seek his own glory neither did he speak of his own initiative. John 5:41, 7:16-18, 8:50
So know that authority that was given to Jesus did not mean that Jehovah shared his glory with him since Jesus knew already that it was his Father who made it possible and that he was going to hand over back that authority to his Father, Jehovah. 1Corinthians 15:24-28

freshboi88:
So that means God exalted his Agent above himself....[s]d day u will borrow sense. Heaven will rejoice[/s]

You type like a 20-year-old child.

1Corinthians 15:27:

For [Jehovah]God “subjected all things under his[Jesus’] feet.” But when he[Jehovah] says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One[Jehovah] who subjected all things to him[Jesus].

So you can continue ranting and raving but at the end of the day–the Scriptures will render your traditions and doctrines to be useless.

Nicenancy:
Are there Jehovah Witnesses here?
In what name do you pray?
Thank you

Answer: We pray to Jehovah God through Jesus Christ.
See Matthew 6:9, John 14:6,13-14, 15:16, 16:23; Colossians 3:17

freshboi88:

Barristter07 ran away when his lies were exposed.
Love how I gave the final blow with the King of kings verse, it just nailed him. It was amazing, very amazing. In fact, probably the most amazing moment if 2020.
Even Janosky fled with his tail in between his legs. And finally their father the devil fell down in a lightening strike manner.
Don't ever mess with the truth!!...Capish??

This one is here basking in self-deception. Sometimes the way some of you think is indeed appalling. I've been observing quietly how some of you here just lack basic reasoning.

So the part where Jesus was exalted to that position to become God's Chief Agent and to the “King of Kings, Lord of Lords” status doesn't exist in your Bible? Acts 5:31&Philippians 2:9-11, see also Matthew 28:18, Revelation 19:16.

freshboi88:
Read through the thread to cure your delusion. Ur kind is been battered on this thread

Oh so you've found where the Bible said, in paraphrased words, “All things came FROM Jesus”? Do share.

Can you marry a woman you love without fulfilling the duties required of a husband?

jonextee:
Good evening Everyone..
I just had an unending series of arguments with both my Religious and Atheist friends about having a relationship with God.
Some claim it's impossible without going to church and Mosques or serving God the religious ways, while the other side claims following and adhering to the basic principles of life is enough to set and maintain a relationship with God.
I have brought this issue to nairaland for experienced and knowledgeable people to have their says.
Please let's keep the ball rolling...

Janosky:
John 17:5, 22,24.. Jesus Christ is teaching to receive SENSE. go figure out the truth.
Or SENSE will desert you

You really have strength and time to reply these people oh
Just imagine how stupid the guy's analogy even sounds. So is Jesus also a literal Lamb with a slaughter wound in heaven? Revelation 5:6,12
Ask him how titles and privileges of service are related to the nature of a being? Most of these stiffnecked churchgoers would rather render God's word invalid with their worthless traditions instead of embracing truth. Matthew 15:3

From = Source/origin; which refers to the Father, Jehovah God. Psalm 36:9, Acts 17:28
By/through = Link; which pertains to the Son, Jesus Christ. John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-17

Who is that person still saying Jesus is the source of life after quoting 1Corinthians 8:6?

MaxInDHouse:
The time left is shorter than ever DappaD, this is not the time to start chatting fruitlessly on some form of Critical thinking of no benefit, if anyone wants to chat on critical thinking let them go out there and fish for their type. Jesus sent us out to search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel not some prideful philosophers who have nothing to show as result for their so call "CRITICAL THINKING".

So far so good the GB of JWs claim they are God's representatives in out time, they have successfully gathered over 8,700,000 people from all races under the sun, they have produced zealous preachers and industrious teachers, they have removed weapons not just from their hands but uprooted the thought of weapons from their hearts, they have formed a global family of peace loving worshipers. Let those following Plato and Socrates present the result of their theory or better still critical thinking.

Budaatum even had to go open a thread because your reply stood out from the rest. It's clear that the immortal soul doctrine originated from Sumerian and Babylonian mythologies and religions today have adopted the doctrine in one form or the other.
It's only diligent study of the Bible can help those like budaatum to overturn deeply entrenched beliefs and reasonings. 2Corinthians 10:3-6

budaatum:
Its a question you can answer yourself if you but tried. Or did you not read in the Holy Book that Adam and Eve went on to live very long lives and have children long after they were supposed to have died?

Like I earlier said, we wouldn't even be counting years if they had not sinned in the first place.
Now I understand why 900+ years might seem to be a long time in human eyes but compared to other intelligent creatures before humans came on the scene, there has never been anything like counting of years of one's existence amongst God's spirit sons.

MaxInDHouse:
Noted Ma, thanks!

This just reminded me of one sound advise Paul gave: “Be on guard that no one takes you captive by means of human philosophy and traditions that are contrary to God's word” ! Colossians 2:8//1Corinthians 3:19;1Timothy 4:7/6:20

Certainly budaatum here just wants to make a show of intelligence and critical thinking but just like all the founding fathers of philosophy—Plato, Socrates, etc, none of them could ever proffer any real solution to the problems humans were facing in their day. Sadly budaatum has taken after their footsteps.

budaatum:

. . .

You're the one who claimed the serpent was right now I've asked you one simple question and you're gallivanting.

budaatum:
I agree Max, "you need wisdom to discern what happened is written in the Bible", but I guess some people need to lie to thenselves so they can continue to believe what they want to believe but they can't or should not expect everyone to believe their lies.
We read in the Holy Book of Truths that when Adam had lived one hundred thirty (130) years, which was after he was supposedly meant to have died in the Garden of Eden, he became the father of a son in his likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth. Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred thirty (930) years; and he died". [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen+5%3A3-5&version=KJV]Gen 5:3&5[/url]
So effectively, at least 800 years after eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil which was supposed to kill him if he ate, Adam finally died. Isn't it sort of odd for you to claim the eating of the fruit at least 800 years ago killed him? I mean, does that not seem like a very ineffective poison to you or that at least the person who forbade them eating the fruit lied to Adam for some reason?

Adam was never meant to die at all if he never ate the fruit. In fact, we wouldn't even be counting the years he lived if he never disobeyed God's command.
God made it clear that in the day that Adam ate the fruit, he would die. From God's perspective, a thousand years is like a day.[Psalm 90:4, 2Peter 3:8] so since Adam died at 930-years, it meant that he didn't live up to a day(1,000years) in God's eyes.

So Jehovah[the name of the God of the Bible] never lied.(Titus 1:2)
Since Adam was genetically close to perfection, he was able to live that long but since then the life expectancy of humans has greatly reduced because of obvious reasons—but eventually he died and decomposed back to the dust of the earth, which Jehovah said would happen.(Genesis 2:17, 3:19)

Instead, we read that Adam's eyes opened and he saw that he was naked. And he and his wife stopped being slaves and got their own farm instead of working for the owner of the Garden of Eden whom some think is their God!
If we teach this to the Adams and Eves in the North of Nigeria would alimanjeri not be eliminated through education and be freed from the slavery they are kept under?
. . .
In fact, can it not be said that for Christians at least, the closest we have to the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the Word in the Holy Bible, which we are advised to imbibe daily so that we may acquire understanding and live?
Yeah, I know it's not what they teach you but I know some are capable of wisely discerning. So, did the so called serpent lie?

The eyes of Adam and Eve were OPENED in that they became ashamed and were fully aware that they were sinners.(Genesis 3:7)

Maybe it's like you don't understand what actually transpired in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 so let me give you a brief rundown.
Jehovah provided the following for both Adam and Eve:
1. A beautiful home. Genesis 2:8
2. A marriage partner. Genesis 2:21-24
3. Nutritious food. Genesis 2:9,16
4. Satisfying work. Genesis 1:28, 2:15
5. Prospect of living forever. Genesis 2:17
ALL FREE!
And he was going to do more, if only Adam and Even closely followed God's program.
All of these were free provided they both obeyed a simple rule given to them to keep away from a tree that represented God's authority over them.(Genesis 2:17)

But then came along one of Jehovah's spirit sons/angel, though unnamed, later came to be addressed as Satan and Devil, acted on his own freewill and employed the use of a serpent and performed the work of a modern-day ventriloquist so he hid his true identity.
He came to Eve because he knew she was the youngest intelligent creature so she might be naive and curious. Then he sowed doubts in her mind by:
1. claiming that Jehovah was lying to Adam and Eve that they wouldn't die if they ate the fruit.
2. claiming that God wasn't completely honest with them and was withholding something good from them. Genesis 3:1-5

But ask yourself this question, in contrast with all Jehovah provided for them, what had Satan(using the serpent) given to them? Did he provide them with anything good? Food? A home? A marriage partner? Life?
As in why should we give attention to someone who has nothing worthwhile to offer?!!! Try and reason please.

Remember that Satan seduced Eve into thinking that she would become like God so that she wouldn't need anybody to tell her what was right or wrong! Genesis 3:5
By giving in to Satan's claims, she never became like God, instead she later died. She had served Satan's interests and had come under his rulership even though Satan deceived her into thinking that she was doing it for herself, but actually she became a SLAVE to Satan.(John 8:44, James 1:14-15)

Ever since then, the vast majority(99%) of mankind have come under the influence and authority of Satan in one way or another(1John 5:19)
Satan the Devil has been misleading the entire inhabited earth for more than six millennia but all we can see since then has been pain, suffering, war, crime, injustice and several other woes.(Revelation 12:9-12)
So now considering all of these, who was being honest between Jehovah and Satan?
Because Satan is the one who has all the governments and world powers of the earth at his beck and call(Matthew 4:8-10, Ephesians 6:12) and nothing good has come out of his rulership even with the advance of science and technology and with the different types of governments that have been experimented since then.
So who was actually lying in the Garden of Eden, budaatum?

Do you read your Bible out of one corner of your eye or you're just trying to be mischievous here?
Because whenever issues arose, it was always Moses they were pointing fingers at and it was always Moses and Aaron they were complaining to but Jehovah took it personal that it was him whom that they were disrespecting. Numbers 14:2,11; 20:2-5
Moses was the person the Israelites could relate with easily that's why they pleaded with him to approach Jehovah on their behalf. Exodus 20:19

Even when the Israelites in later times requested for a visible king and complained bitterly against Samuel, another of Jehovah's representative, Jehovah said: ““Listen to everything the people say to you; for it is not you whom they have rejected, but it is I whom they have rejected as their king” 1Samuel 8:1-8
So Jehovah has been the one who takes responsibility even though he gives authority to his subjects, that includes Jesus Christ.

livingchrist:
the issue is not who told Jesus but that Jesus was was prayed to like Jehovah.
In the old testament people didnt call on moses name but on Jehovah but in the new testament people called on Jesus name and no longer on Jehovah.

The bolded is a misconception. Because Peter and Paul said quoted Joel 2:32 which said: “And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved” Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13

livingchrist:
you didn't, you couldnt explain
1a. why Stephen prayed to Jesus
1b. to recieve his Spirit instead of Jehovah and
2.the fact that Jesus shared Jehovah's glory

1a. Stephen never prayed to Jesus. The normal Greek word for “pray” is προσεύχεσθε/proseuchesthe
Acts 7:59 didn't use this word, like you make it seem. There says that Stephen “called upon” or “made an appeal” to Jesus. The Greek word that was used here was ἐπικαλούμενον/epikaloumenon

1b. I have already addressed this.

DappaD:
Jehovah is the source of life. Psalm 36:9, Acts 17:28
He's the originator of the spark of life that makes a human conscious. Genesis 2:7

He is also the Eternal Judge and our Father. Genesis 18:25, Isaiah 33:22, James 4:12
But—Jesus helps us to understand at John 5:22 that his Father and God, Jehovah will do no judging but that authority has been delegated to him, Jesus.

So when Jesus completed his earthly conquest, he said: “All authority has been given me in heaven and earth” Matthew 28:18, see also Philippians 2:9-11
Which means that as Jehovah's subordinate and Servant(Acts 3:13), Jesus is going to rule, judge and act under God's authority because according to him, he cannot do a single thing of his own initiative so he needs a go-ahead from Jehovah before he can do anything. John 8:28

Also part of the privileges granted to him, was the authority to raise dead ones from the Grave.
In fact—while on earth—you can agree that he demonstrated this by restoring the life-force of some who died to their bodies ONLY after praying to his God in heaven. John 11:41-42
So he still has the prerogative as God's Son to rise dead ones in the future. John 5:28-29; 1Thessalonians 4:16
Since Jehovah was the one who gave the keys of death and Grave to Jesus in order to release those who are bound by death. Revelation 1:18
That's why Stephen made that appeal to Jesus for a resurrection in the sight of Jehovah.(Acts 7:59)

2. I have also addressed this.

DappaD:
Where did you get the idea that giving authority meant sharing glory?

Of course Moses was the appointed Leader of Israel who was given authority from God and acted as mediator between Jehovah and the Israelites but on the issue of whom the Israelites were to worship and render sacred service, there was no question that exclusive devotion was reserved for Jehovah alone.(Exodus 34:14)

Jehovah never shared his glory with Moses even after he was the one(representative) who brought Israel out of Egypt, Jehovah still took all the credit for it because it was only possible through Him. Exodus 20:2

We all know what happened when Moses tried to take credit/glory for the miracle Jehovah performed through Moses at the waters of Meribah. Numbers 20:10 see also Psalm 106:32-33
It was for that reason that Aaron and Moses were prevented from entering the Promised land. Numbers 20:12

Even after Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him, he still quoted the Law and directed all worship to Jehovah. Matthew 4:10/Deuteronomy 6:13
Jesus never for once took credit for anything he did. He always directed attention to his Father and God on all occasions. Mark 10:18
So know that authority that was given to Jesus did not mean that Jehovah shared his glory with him since Jesus knew already that it was his Father who made it possible and that he was going to hand over back that authority to his Father, Jehovah. 1Corinthians 15:24-28

livingchrist:
moses never bear any of Jehovah's titles neither did anyone prayed to moses like Stephen prayed to Jesus.
The Spirit returns to God, not a representative but God himself.
Jesus is prayed to, and is worshipped by men and Angels plus the fact that all of Jehovah works are attributed to him.
You dont know what you are saying, All the glory, honor, power and majesty that Jehovah had is also for Jesus.
John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Jehovah himself credited the glory of creation to Jesus
The glory of creation is fully and completely ascribed to Jesus.
The question remains, if Jesus is not God why will Jehovah share his glory with hin?

Your question has been fully answered. I will be no part of your derailment to other topics, I've answered your question and that's it.

livingchrist:
why will Jehovah give his glory to another??

Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

The book of ecclesiatics clearly attribute the power for recieving the spirit to Jehovah alone why will Jehovah give it to Jesus?

Where did you get the idea that giving authority meant sharing glory?

Of course Moses was the appointed Leader of Israel who was given authority from God and acted as mediator between Jehovah and the Israelites but on the issue of whom the Israelites were to worship and render sacred service, there was no question that exclusive devotion was reserved for Jehovah alone.(Exodus 34:14)

Jehovah never shared his glory with Moses even after he was the one(representative) who brought Israel out of Egypt, Jehovah still took all the credit for it because it was only possible through Him. Exodus 20:2

We all know what happened when Moses tried to take credit/glory for the miracle Jehovah performed through Moses at the waters of Meribah. Numbers 20:10 see also Psalm 106:32-33
It was for that reason that Aaron and Moses were prevented from entering the Promised land. Numbers 20:12

Even after Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him, he still quoted the Law and directed all worship to Jehovah. Matthew 4:10/Deuteronomy 6:13
Jesus never for once took credit for anything he did. He always directed attention to his Father and God on all occasions. Mark 10:18
Jesus said that he didn't come to seek his own glory neither did he speak of his own initiative.
John 5:40, 7:16-18, 8:50
So know that authority that was given to Jesus did not mean that Jehovah shared his glory with him since Jesus knew already that it was his Father who made it possible and that he was going to hand over back that authority to his Father, Jehovah. 1Corinthians 15:24-28

ublight:
hey, the diety of Christ is so simple it will take a numb mind to discredit it.
Go to livingwordmedia.org and help urself.

Oga you are the one that brought
“RIGHT HAND MAN” into the discussion even though that isn't the idea conferred by Psalm 110:1 and Acts 2:34.
But let's just use your own logic now. According to the dictionary, it means someone who acts as Chief Assistant which fits Jesus Christ perfectly since he is God's Chief Agent and Servant. Acts 3:13, 5:31

ublight:
if i say this is my right hand man, does it mean that man is standing at my right hand side?

Okay let's use your own logic now. If Jesus is someone's right hand man, doesn't that show that there are two distinct parties/personalities involved?

freshboi88:
Trash.....I particularly like how ecclesiastics renders your rants useless

Pretty clear

Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Does Ecclesiastics say the spirit shall return to the one Jehovah gave authority to?

Jehovah is the source of life. Psalm 36:9, Acts 17:28
He's the originator of the spark of life that makes a human conscious. Genesis 2:7

He is also the Eternal Judge and our Father. Genesis 18:25, Isaiah 33:22, James 4:12
But—Jesus helps us to understand at John 5:22 that his Father and God, Jehovah will do no judging but that authority has been delegated to him, Jesus.

So when Jesus completed his earthly conquest, he said: “All authority has been given me in heaven and earth” Matthew 28:18, see also Philippians 2:9-11
Which means that as Jehovah's subordinate and Servant(Acts 3:13), Jesus is going to rule, judge and act under God's authority because according to him, he cannot do a single thing of his own initiative so he needs a go-ahead from Jehovah before he can do anything. John 8:28

Also part of the privileges granted to him, was the authority to raise dead ones from the Grave.
In fact—while on earth—you can agree that he demonstrated this by restoring the life-force of some who died to their bodies ONLY after praying to his God in heaven. John 11:41-42
So he still has the prerogative as God's Son to rise dead ones in the future. John 5:28-29; 1Thessalonians 4:16
Since Jehovah was the one who gave the keys of death and Grave to Jesus in order to release those who are bound by death. Revelation 1:18
That's why Stephen made that appeal to Jesus for a resurrection in the sight of Jehovah.(Acts 7:59)

MaxInDHouse:
Stephen's eyes were open to see Jehovah and Jesus standing by the right hand of side of God's throne {Act 7:55-56} surely between the two persons he was seeing Stephen could relate with the person he knew face to face than the one no man can see! Exodus 33:20

Stephen knew for sure that the power or energy for all the dead to return back to life (spirit) has been given to Jesus, so he spoke directly to Jesus. But regarding prayer Jesus taught them to pray to his father who is their father and his God who is their God JEHOVAH! John 20:17

You first me come?

freshboi88:
Stephen ask Jesus to receive his spirit. Deal with bro!!......Question is why is he asking Jesus and not Jehovah. LYING CLOWN!!!!!

Where was Jesus situated in Stephen's vision?
He was at the right hand of who? Acts 7:56
Who gave Jesus authority? Matthew 28:18, John 5:22
Who gave Jesus keys and access to the Grave? Revelation 1:18

Stephen: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit[breath of life]” Acts 7:59
Greek ‘pneuma’

It was only normal that Stephen made that appeal to Jesus in the presence of his God, Jehovah because he knew that it was Jesus who would later resurrect those anointed of God's holy spirit since that authority was bestowed on Jesus by Jehovah God. Read 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

johnhood:
Please about your question. It should be asked to other christian sects the preach otherwise. The ridicule your teaching so do you to theirs.

Apologies from my end. I don't know the background of whom I'm speaking with.
Perhaps you are an atheist or an agnostic?
I'm not saying you must accept whatever I'm telling you. I only asked that question from a logical standpoint. For example, the doctrine of a “hellfire” which most denominations claiming to be Christian teach is certainly an illogical lie when you try to picture it. It actually has no basis in the Bible even when some dubious persons may try to miscontrue the Bible's view to fit theirs.
And that's one of the reasons most people become atheists and agnostics—because of the religious hypocrisy and falsehood so rampart today.



In your OP, you made the assumption that God knows the outcome of every individual because of what he said at Jeremiah 1:5? How did you come about this please? Because God was speaking to one specific individual whom he took interest in and not the whole of mankind.

johnhood:
When I started reading this I realised this is all about Jehovah Witness. I have been told and I have read this before. I know many of your religion teaching example your teaching about not everybody going to heaven except the 144,000 selected from each tribe of Israel and your other teachings. Witness is just another sect from Christianity just like Catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals etc with their different understanding of the Bible.

What you're saying now isn't new to our ears.
The Christians in the first century were regarded as merely a “sect of the Nazarenes” so that most people will think this new group deviated from the so-called mainstream Judaism.(Acts 24:5, 28:22)
But yet they taught the truth according to how the Bible put it even though many did not accept it.
They were often attacked and persecuted by both religious leaders and those who had authority in government.(Matthew 10:22)
Most were imprisoned and martyred because they did not follow what was the norm in their day.(Luke 21:12, Acts 12:1-3)
Certainly, an observer in the first century who doesn't know what's going on will side with those who are attacking this new “sect” because they'll also feel that this new Christian “sect” were taking things too far and some might even conclude that they have been brainwashed and indoctrinated!


The watered-down fake version of Christianity that is rampant in many denominations and accepted was prophesied by Jesus and the apostles.(Matthew 7:15,21-23; Acts 20:29-30, 2Thessalonians 2:3-12, 1Timothy 4:1, 2Peter 2:1)

Meanwhile, those whom I have come to know as true Christians whom preach and teach the truth about God and Jesus and also live in harmony with Bible standards are known as Jehovah's Witnesses. I didn't just blindly accept it, instead I carefully observed and noticed that what they taught was in line with the Bible, just like the Beroeans did in Paul's day.(Acts 17:11)
For this reason, people normally oppose and attack Jehovah's Witnesses because the truth in the Bible exposes their lies so they will try all ways possible to demean our identity as just a “sect” meanwhile it's not today this started.(Acts 24:5, 28:22)

So don't think true Christianity has ever been accepted in the past. The Christians, Pharisees, Sadducees, all claimed they were obeying the Law and the Prophets but only the Christians in the first century proved to be the only ones preaching and teaching the truth about God—as was figured out by their works and the fruits which they bore.(Matthew 7:16-20)

As for the highlighted, Revelation 7:1-8 & 14:1-5 which are in your Bible were not written by Jehovah's Witnesses. The vast majority otherwise referred to as the “great crowd” in Revelation 7:9-17 are to inherit the earth and live forever upon it(Psalm 37:11,29; Matthew 5:5) where sickness and death will be a thing of the past(Revelation 21:1-4)

Let me ask you a question—please—if every ‘good’ person is to go to heaven, what will happen to the earth? Because God made it clear that he didn't create the earth for fancy, he created it to be inhabited by his human children.(Genesis 1:28, Psalm 115:16, Isaiah 45:18)

The illustration of the rich man and Lazarus is completely symbolic which means it has an underlying meaning. There's a reason why it's always referred to as a PARABLE
So since the rich man and Lazarus symbolizes the Pharisees and the common man who was spiritually hungry, their deaths are also symbolic and not literal.
If you insist it's meant to be understood literally then please answer the following questions for me.
1. Since the rich man died and was buried, why wasn't Lazarus buried? So angels normally carry people after they die now?
2. What did Lazarus do to merit going to Abraham's bosom and what wrong did the rich man commit? Because the account simply said that the rich man received good things and there was no mention of any crime he did.
3. Does one NOW become acceptable to God by listening to the Mosaic Law or by obeying Jesus Christ?
Of course there's nothing else you have to say on the issue that's why you keep clamouring for your worthless hellfire doctrine that some of your religious leaders have branded as nonsense and illogical.

MrPRevailer:

"The richman died and the poor man died. The richman went to hellfire, the poor man went to heaven/paradise." A.k.a afterlife
All the jargons you wrote up there just to twist a simple and plainly expressed story.
What a pity! What is your gain?
If you have chosen the way of deception and delight to deceive people. You still have time to amend your ways. God will forgive you all. But if you die in your wickedness, you will regret for eternity like that richman. Go to the mortuary and get wisdom