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Blabbermouth:
Not again!
Perhaps the Catholic church could use this "one line of thought" mantra to prove other denomination false.

Which Catholic Church?
The one that their members can boldly say: “I’m a Catholic o, but I don’t believe in all those Catholic traditions and doctrines” ?
Or the ones who are divided amongst themselves in matters concerning politics?
Or the ones that their clergymen endorsed and encouraged their going to war and killing each other?
Or the ones that have openly endorsed homosexuality and members disagree?

So how are they united in thought again?

It’s not a matter of talks, ACTIONS speak louder than words.

Don't be dogmatic bro, one line of thought can be one line of false thoughts - Hahahahahahaha.
Perhaps, English is not a language you know well.
Don't dilly dally, you won't last - Atheism is the disbelief in God's existence, period!

That's why I said I’ll just keep mute.
More than 7billion people on this planet are all atheists but y’all don’t just realise it yet. We’re on the brink of the great tribulation.(Matthew 24:21, Revelation 17:15-17) you'll see it live and direct with your korokoro eyes don't worry.

Blabbermouth:
LMAO! I've been to your kingdom hall.

My assignment is the reason for such (that's an in-house conversation though).

It's been long I attended any church though.

Sojourner of religions I hail

Blabbermouth:

Against atheists, every theist unite forces (that includes JW).

So, understand the reason for unison and why it naturally happens.


By the way, my sword spares no one! Every denomination is not recognized !

Meanwhile so far it's only Jehovah’s Witnesses who are completely united in thought abi? (Romans 15:5-6, 1Cor 1:10, Phil 2:2)


If I tell you that you and churchgoers are all atheists you will not agree. You think atheism is just saying ‘I don’t believe God exists’
Don't worry I‘ll just keep mute.

Blabbermouth:
Against atheists, every theist unite forces (that includes JW).

So, understand the reason for unison and why it naturally happens.

By the way, my sword spares no one! Any denomination is not recognized !

Tomorrow you wan tell me say no be RCCG you dey go? Then next week MFM?
Upper week, Christ Embassy abi?
Stay there and keep deceiving yourself.

Blabbermouth:
I did not insult him!

I couldn’t care less about the petty arguments you and johnw47 have going on.
Point is, it’s only against JWs you guys(Independent religionist/churchgoers/atheists) can form coalition and unite forces but leave y’all alone for a short time and just watch as you guys rip yourselves apart despite claiming to worship the same Jesus oh

Blabbermouth and johnw47, no be the same Jesus una dey worship?
Insults flying left right and centre haba
What is happening biko?

Kobojunkie:
True that Jesus Christ lost him, Judas, but still false that Judas was not saved. Judas Iscariot was a believer, hence he was saved. He was lost to Jesus Christ because He did not go on to become born again - two different things. According to Jesus Christ, Salvation from the condemnation of sin that is death cannot be revoked.
That ain't true at all, not according to Jesus Christ Himself!
He went around healing the sick, and forgiving people their sins as well. That really got in the craw of the Pharisees/Teachers of the Law of His time who hated Him for thinking He was able to do that.
Again, not according to Jesus Christ either! Ask yourself questions about what justification means. While Jesus Christ walked the earth, He was the Helper/Guide/Comforter/Teacher/Counselor.... everything there was to be to His disciples, who He taught to Baptize, Heal the sick, Raise the dead, cast out demons etc. He taught them everything that those of us who to follow after His death were also to be taught.
Even before the very end of His journey with them, Jesus Christ informed His disciples that He would go, upon His death, to prepare a place for them in His Father's House. If they were not "justified" before His death, why would He promise them a place in His Father's house to booth?
Jesus Christ is the TRUTH of God, and what He says is LAW -- the New Agreement that we are bound by.
These are the words of Jesus Christ as recorded by John the apostle, should we continue to ignore His words? Trying to refute His, Jesus Christ's Words, is akin to admitting one is not even of Jesus Christ.
Now as to becoming born again, I know what your so-called pastors and preachers have taught you all, but unfortunately, they lied to you because they ignored all the teachings of Jesus Christ in declaring that. Becoming born again is akin to becoming born of the Spirit and nowhere in Scripture does Jesus Christ say that Salvation equates to being born again, NOWHERE!

@bold
First step in the right direction! So what does it mean to be “born again” as in born of the spirit?
Say something new now—don't repeat what you earlier stated.

Simple question! What does it mean to be BORN AGAIN?
Not all these long talks.

Churchgoers and delusions. None of you people have been able to answer the OP's question.

Samunique:

Now the bold has really justified my argument !
Do think if Jesus was Elisha he would have commanded the destruction of those kids ?
He wouldn't bcs he came to preach love which the true nature of God.
Now why do you think God finds fault with the old covenant, if it truly represented all that He is?
The people under the old covenant understood God apart, the more He tried to get closer the farther they went.
Now consider this scripture:
Isaiah 1:3
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
The fault was not with God but the people, and the same is till happening in our days, if not more. But cannot change, He is Who He is !
NB. Concerning Elisha, I am not blaming him for the act bcs of the covenant under which he was. That is THE LAW.
Now let me ask you, did the apostles not suffer worst humiliation than that of Elisha ?
Were they not anointed, did they not perform miracles even more, like Elisha?
Didn't they have power to cause destruction if they wanted but choosed
to remain calm even in the face of worst humiliation?

What has changed here is the understanding of the true nature of God which is LOVE, and this is what the old testament people lacked but thought everything was all about tooth for tooth and tat for tat. But eventually when Jesus came to the scene, he tried to change this wrong perception of theirs, unfortunately they misunderstood him and took him for a rebel, blasphemer, and impostor who has come to change their LAW, even when he tried to tell them the mind of God.
Hope you get me now ?
Though I have many things to say, then I'm lazy of type.

Everything you've said so far is nice and all but you see the words I highlighted, me and you will never agree on those terms.
You can say they didn't come to know all of Jehovah's qualities and purposes to the fullest sense but to say they didn't know at all is out of the question.

Samunique:
I think you need to go back to my post and read again and again.
I never said our God suddenly changed from what He used to be, I said His true nature which is LOVE was not truly understood by the people under the old covenant until Jesus came and show the world what His true nature is.

John 1:18, 3:16-18, 17:16, 1john 3:1.


Hope you understand ?

A lot of things were made clear when Jesus came to the earth. I'm saying that the Old Testament does not picture Jehovah as a harsh God like you did. Jehovah has always been abundant in loyal love.(Exodus 34:6)
His qualities are listed therein and the writers of the Old Testament were well acquainted with them.(Deuteronomy 32:4, Psalm 103:8-10, Joel 2:13, Jonah 4:2)

You are right when you say Jesus did explain in word and showed in action the quality of his Father, which is LOVE to the fullest extent.(John 1:18)
He was able to reflect Jehovah's qualities to the point that he said if one had come to know Jesus, such one had come to know God.(John 14:9, see also Colossians 1:15)
That is what the manifestation of his Father's name means—it doesn't just end at pronouncing or getting familiar with the name ‘Jehovah’—but Jesus also helped his apostles and disciples come to understand what the name truly represented—the real meaning, God's amazing qualities, purposes and his way of dealing with humans. You were correct about that. I didn't dispute it at all.
My issue was when you said the OT writers didn't understand Jehovah's qualities, which is not true in any sense.

Samunique:
I was referring to the old testament Prophets and to some extent the religious leaders during Jesus' time.


For example, remember the story of Elisha and those kids in book of second Kings ?

Jehovah's prophets were nothing like the Jewish religious leaders in Jesus' time.
Maybe you don't know that coming against an anointed one of God is a serious offence and is tantamount to rebelling against God himself.
Elisha was an anointed prophet of Jehovah so respect ought to be accorded to him.(1Kings 19:16)
Those little brats knew exactly what they were doing when they insulted Elisha, showing disdain for his office as God's prophet and representative.(2Kings 2:23-24)
So that served as a reminder to onlookers never to show disrespect for Jehovah's anointed one.

Jesus himself is an Anointed One of God. Do you think that Jesus couldn't command a legion of angels to destroy all those who came to arrest him?(Matthew 26:53)
But no, he didn't do that because a lot of things were at stake at that moment and God's will had to be accomplished.(Matthew 26:39,54)

Samunique:

Thanks !
I think I'll agree with the bold, considering John 1:18 that says "No one has ever seen God but His Son has revealed who He is, that's, manifesting His essence and whole character most especially, as a true loving God."
Not exactly the way He was sometimes portrayed by the old testament preachers, as a hash, uneasy to please and ever demanding God which was a misconstrue of His real nature.
Jesus actually manifested the loving nature aspect of God while also warning us of His just nature which is, "His righteous judgement over all evil and wickedness of man and the fallen Angels.


Whereas, the old testament preachers did not have much understanding about His true nature, which is LOVE !


Hence Jesus statements in John 17:6 that "I have manifested thy name," and by this he has thus fulfilled John 1:18.
Thanks so much !
I think I agree with your expectations.

Let me keep in mind that the ‘old testament preachers’ you're referring to are who lived from Adam to right before the first century. If so, then the Bible might surprise you that Jehovah has always been a God of love.(1John 4:8.)

Everything he has done from the Old Testament to the New Testament has always been motivated by love. Jehovah gives instructions and commandments for our own advantage so if we use our freewill to obey we'll come to see the last benefits.(Deuteronomy 30:16-20, Psalm 119:165, Isaiah 48:17-18)
Jehovah reproves those whom he loves. (Proverbs 3:12)
As a loving Father, he cannot leave man to his own way without guidance else man will fall into error and confusion.(Psalm 37:5, Proverbs 3:5-6, Jeremiah 10:23)

In fact, that he sent his only-begotten Son to the earth to die for the sins caused by the first man Adam, is an act of love.(Galatians 4:4-5, John 3:16, 1John 4:10)
Jesus' death and resurrection that was foretold by a number of prophets before his time.(Psalm 16:10, Isaiah 53:8,12, Daniel 9:24-26)

So please don't assume that Jehovah suddenly became a loving God when he sent Jesus to the earth because love has always been his most dominant quality since eternity as the reason why he created humans in the first place is because of LOVE.(1John 4:19)

Samunique:
@illicit

John 17:6
[6]I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

What can you say about the above scripture, where the Lord Jesus said He has manifested God's name, which name is He referring to here, since we cannot actually pronounce this name as it were?

Remember the same Jesus asks us to hallow God's name in the Lord's prayer.

Yes you are right. Jesus did make known the name of his Father while he was on earth. Check Mark 12:29-30 and see that it is a direct quote from Deuteronomy 6:4-5.
So you see that Jesus indeed used his Father's name even though scribes and Jewish religious leaders tried to extinguish the name of Jehovah from the Scriptures.

Samunique:
Thanks !

I think I'll agree with the bold, considering John 1:18 that says "No one has ever seen God but His Son has revealed who He is, that's, manifesting His essence and whole character most especially, as a true loving God."

Not exactly the way He was sometimes portrayed by the old testament preachers, as a hash, uneasy to please and ever demanding God which was a misconstrue of His real nature.

Jesus actually manifested the loving nature aspect of God while also warning us of His just nature which is, "His righteous judgement over all evil and wickedness of man and the fallen Angels.

Whereas, the old testament preachers did not have much understanding about His true nature, which is LOVE !
Hence Jesus statements in John 17:6 that "I have manifested thy name," and by this he has thus fulfilled John 1:18.

Thanks so much !

I think I agree with your expectations.

What do you mean by ‘Old Testament preachers’ if I may ask?

MuttleyLaff:
You're talking to discrimination personified MaxInDHouse, formerly aka Maximus69 RIP, who would rather not give financial assistance to soliciting in dire need non-Jehovah’s Witnesses. The excuse is that Jehovah’s Witnesses' primary mission is to help others spiritually, and not materially. Jehovah’s Witnesses will organize to provide relief and aid only to other Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Having close relationships with "worldly people" as all non-Jehovah’s Witnesses are called, is very strongly discouraged, because the excuse given, is that being friends with non-Jehovah’s Witnesses, is equated with, apparently disobeying God

I thought you people are of the opinion that JWs are a cult, that they are zombies and so on.
So why are you looking for relief and aid from a bunch of “cultists” & “zombies” ?

sonmvayina:
As per the new testament a and jesus..and convene at and sacrifice for sins...you know, those bull shiit in new testament..

Think what you may about the NT, that's not my concern.
My own is “Who is the MEDIATOR of the NEW COVENANT?” because after the Babylonian exile, Zerubbabel governor of Judah, high priest Joshua, Haggai, Zechariah(Ezra 3:8, 5:2, Haggai 2:21) and later Ezra, Nehemiah and Malachi were all bound by the Law of Moses.(Ezra 7:6,10) and Ezra even read it aloud and explained the Mosaic Law to the Jews.(Nehemiah 8:1-6)
So why did you say the new covenant was established after the Babylonian exile if what the Bible says nullifies that spurious claim?

sonmvayina:
I opened this thread...so answer my question .

Why does God need a son ?

What do you mean by “NEED” ?

sonmvayina:
What was it? And how did Jesu's fulfill it ?

Are you ready to hear the New Testament's side of the story now?
You promise no insults or abuses?

sonmvayina:
I said the new covenant is God writing his laws in our heart , nobody will go from door to door to teach any body ..we will all know it..and keep them..

Then God should have just written it nah no be so? Why call it a covenant/treaty if there's not going to be any middleman/mediator?

haddeylium:
All these one are stories
There are tribes that offer their wives to guest as appreciation for their visit. Sleeping with other people's wives is norms to them.
Where is it in the secular law that being promiscuous is offence?


Think nah

Simple question
The guy doesn't know where else to turn—don't be surprised he'll run and quote the same Bible he despises.

sonmvayina:
You are just very funny...so it is jesus and the covenant is a human sacrifice ..I hear you..

Stop yarning dust abeg. Since you don't have regard for the NT, I should be asking you all the questions maybe you have another source to explain what the new covenant is about. I'd like to hear about it.

sonmvayina:
You are trying to dodge it...I get it, tell me when it was planed, which prophet announced it in the old testament ...?

Which prophet foretold the new covenant? The one you read in Jeremiah 31 is not enough?

sonmvayina:
There is none,except you want to invent one..

If there's none, then God wouldn't have chosen Moses to act as mediator for the old one. The truth is staring at you in the face, sonmvayina.

sonmvayina:
Lol..what about our forefathers that kept that law, which bible did they read ?..

Forefather and no forefather is not anyone's concern now. The question is why is promiscuity the order of the day? Who told you having multiple sex partners is wrong? Is it even in your constitution? Will the govt jail somebody for loose/brazen conduct?


If such things aren't innate in neither humans nor their man-made laws, then where did you get the idea that having multiple sex partners and cheating is wrong?

sonmvayina:
What's the new one?

Are you asking me? I'm the one asking the questions here. Stay on track.
If you don't have regard for the New Testament, then don't ask me that question.

sonmvayina:
There is only one convenient ..the new will be a renewal of the one given in Sinai ...he will engraved it in their heart that it will become effortless to obey them...

Comprende ??

Jeremiah 31:32 said it wasn't going to be any renewal of the old one. Jehovah said “It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,”
Where did you get the idea that it's a renewal of the old covenant? Seems you've not gotten the gist yet.

sonmvayina:
Which prophet prophesied that jesus will be the mediator of the new ?

Who did Moses foretell would be a prophet just like him at Deuteronomy 18:15,18?
You said it's Joshua, I told you Joshua had already been commissioned before then at Numbers 27:18-23
You're still digressing—can you give me a direct answer or not? Who is the mediator of the new covenant at Jeremiah 31? Say you don't know let's move on.

sonmvayina:
Do you sleep with other peoples wife ? Or insult your parents ?.when faced with such situation do you consult the bible to know if you should do it or not ?...catch up please..your conscience tells you it is wrong...

God job is done ,he has engraved his laws in your heart..

So who told you sleeping with another man's wife is wrong? Because as far most people are concerned, there's nothing wrong in cheating and having multiple partners. They see it as a norm, as per “men naturally cheat” syndrome is prevalent today. So where is this conscience you say people use to distinguish right from wrong in this case?

It's only through the Bible that we come to know that the reverse is the case and that such practices are detestable. You can't come out of this.

Blabbermouth:
Guy, do you actually have a scripture that connotes this, or you are just conjuring it up?

I read Rev 5:10, the Kings and priest are to reign ON OVER THE EARTH.

There I fixed it for you @bolded.
Jesus Christ and the 144,000 are to rule OVER the earth from heaven sir. It's that clear. (1Cor 6:2, Rev 20:6)
Jesus Christ is the FIRST firstfruits resurrected as an immortal spirit being and now resides in heaven. (1Cor 15:20,23,1Peter 3:18)
While the 144,000 are second firstfruits bought from among mankind whose citizenship exists in the heavens NOT the earth.(Philippians 3:21, Rev 14:4) these ones also share the same kind of resurrection Christ had—resurrection to a spirit life indestructible and incorruptible.(1Cor 15:42-44, 51-54)

I read Matt 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

The “Kingdom of heaven” is rightly so because that's where God’s Kingdom/government is located. The “Kingdom of heaven” is not the same as heaven itself, because God said he was going to establish a Kingdom in heaven and heaven had existed before that time. (Daniel 2:44)

The last we checked, the new Jerusalem which they were to inhabit, came out from heaven and came down TO EARTH.
I read John 3:3-5
You should not rope yourself with this Kingdom of God strawman.

The “New Jerusalem” coming down from heaven is event that symbolizes something else. (Rev 1:1)
The marriage between Jesus Christ(the Lamb) and the bride i.e. “New Jerusalem” made up of those who are adopted spirit sons of God takes place after Armageddon and marks the beginning of the 1000 year Messianic rule; that is when attention is given to righteous inhabitants of the earth in the sense of the “New Jerusalem” coming down to the earth. (Rev 21:2)

1. There are many scriptures literred all around claiming the kingdom of God is here (ON EARTH)

The Kingdom of God is on earth yet the world conditions have proved otherwise. I sure hope you're thinking straight though. You no even try sugarcoat your lies sef.

2. Is the new earth not part of God's kingdom

The “new earth” is symbolic. See Genesis 11:1
Simply, it means a society of obedient mankind where righteousness would be the watchword. (2Peter 3:13)

You didn't even read between the lines in John 3:3-5.

Except one is born of spirit, anointed and sealed on basis on Christ's shed blood, he cannot rule alongside Jesus Christ as a joint heir. (Romans 8:16,17, Revelation 14:1-4)
Pretty much explains why John the Baptist was left out of this arrangement.(Matthew 11:11)

MaxInDHouse:
Guy a god cannot be wrong, whatever he does is part of the experience!

Sonmvayina said that you're a God but he wants to decide what is right and wrong for you
In that case his own God pass your own

sonmvayina:
God said he will write it in their heart ..you are not even reading the passage..haba

So God will just write it in the hearts of just anybody? Please you're just digressing now
Who is the mediator of the new covenant please? Because after the time of Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel etc, the only notable persons recorded in the Old Testament were Haggai, Zechariah, Ezra, Nehemiah, Malachi and they were all bound by the old covenant o
Sonmvayina, who is the mediator of the new covenant please?