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Emusan:
Jesus is a MAN in heaven according to the scripture, do you agree as a man, He is flesh and blood?

According to the Bible that Emusan wrote abi?
That means Jesus didn't inherit God's Kingdom? Thereby cancelling John 3:3-6 and 1Corinthians 15:50?
See 1Corinthians 15:42-44, 2Corinthians 5:16, 1Timothy 3:16, 1Peter 3:18 staring at you right in the face.

Just like I said, you inserted that, not in the scripture.
Funny how you put rush to Greek when your lies are being exposed.

See wahala
Was I the one who inserted ἀνθρώπων into Revelation 21:3?
It is the original Greek text that will expose all your mischievous lies—either you deal with it or continue throwing your usual tantrums

The same word ἀνθρώπων(anthropos) was used by Apostle Paul in 1 Tim 2:5 "For there is one mediator between God and men(ἀνθρώπων(anthropos)), THE MAN(ἀνθρώπων(anthropos)) JESUS..."

So in what form was Jesus when he established the new covenant in Luke 22:28-30? Was he a spirit or human?
After his resurrection to heaven, did he appear before God as a spirit or a human? (Hebrews 9:24, 1Peter 3:18)

Jesus must be flesh and blood in heaven then.
Much trouble for the spirit being believers.

According to only Emusan
Since the Bible disagrees with your POV, locate the nearest transformer and do the needful.

Did God say a sanctuary should be built before residing with them?
But IN Revelation THE WHOLE HOME OF GOD was with the people.Your ignorance is catching up with you faster than speed of light.

Your lies have caught up with you finally. Provide evidence that God literally came down in the days of ancient Israel to dwell with them na

If they have already SEAL, why must still be proofing FAITHFUL before the gain the heavenly life again Confused JWs

That's why 2Corinthians 5:5 and 2Peter 1:4 are there in your Bible for you. They(born again Christians) have received a token i.e. a mark that sets them apart for heavenly life and it is a promise held out to them that if they remain faithful, they'd receive the prize of immortal life.(Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:10, Revelation 2:10)
These are things you can't know unless someone teaches you. Be humble, Emusan.

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Just like I asked your other brothers
Do you believe in Jesus Christ even in His name?
If your answer is Yes! Then You're BORN(REBRITH) AGAIN because the scripture says; "AS MANY that believe on Him even in His name, he gave right to become sons of God, not BORN by the will of flesh or man by BORN(rebirth) by God Himself"
All believers who died in Christ will experience first resurrection at His second coming.
Really....so resurrection in JWs even more than two times, that sounds strange.
Your head will just fall off.
Unrighteous one won't be resurrected at the second coming of Christ, the second coming of Christ is for His saints where they'll sit with father Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Kingdom of heaven.[/s]

Couldn't sift through the garbage, sorry.

@living4christ has already tutored you people on what is spiritual soon this same thread, so do yourself a favor by revisiting his wonderful work and stop being stupid here.

Unfortunately, livingchrist is not in anyway different from you. You're both emptyheaded–it's not like I'm surprised though.

John 3:6 point is that ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF SPIRIT, without being born of spirit, Born of God or Born Again your abode is everlasting fire.Grab that into your empty skull.

Why are you dodging the remaining part of the John 3:6?
What will those born of spirit eventually become?
Emusan has agreed that Jesus didn't resurrect to become a spirit creature and that he didn't inherit God's Kingdom! Wow! 1Corinthians 15:50

Can you show us from 1peter 3:18 where the word JESUS ROSE AS A SPIRIT BODY appeared or you remain silent forever?

Locate the scripture in your Bible and read it. I won't spoonfeed you.

I don't need to embrace it since resurrection of Jesus can be more than three times, we who don't embrace truth will have our resurrection at the fifth time.
But my own to you is, BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND EVEN IN HIS NAME so that God Himself can rebirth you because failure to BELIEVE IN CHRIST MEANS YOU'RE COMDEMNED AND PERISH. John 3:16-16

Ehnnn nah! That's the only thing churchgoers know! Apart from the rubbish typed above, what else can you share with your neighbour who's seeking Biblical knowledge? Absolutely NOTHING!
Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to lecture you and you'll continue feeling ashamed where ever you encounter us in this world. I can assure you of that.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS Fictitious epistles

Emusan, 1month ago: The Bible and JWs are not correct, Jesus rose with a fleshly body with bones and flesh.

Emusan, yesterday: NO! That can't be possible! Whoever is born of spirit is SPIRIT. Therefore Jesus rose as a SPIRIT and has a SPIRIT BODY!

Emusan, this morning: JWs are liars! Jesus rose with a glorified spiritual body which is not a SPIRIT BODY!

Emusan, at 11:35pm tonight: That's a big lie! Jesus rose with fleshly body and is completely HUMAN(flesh and blood) in heaven.

Omo wahala be like bicycle

You even have the time to answer these unfortunate people. Their leaders johncedars and jwfacts have all denounced belief in God and the Bible long ago.

Now the real question is:
WHAT ARE THEY DOING QUOTING BIBLE SCRIPTURES IN THE MIDST OF RELIGIONISTS?

Janosky:
Yes.

The Scriptures gives us instances where Jehovah's servants practice and teaching stuffs contrary to the Scriptures.
The disciples said and believed the kingdom will arrive immediately.
Is that the teaching of Jesus Christ ?

The disciples were teaching that "there is no resurrection of the dead"
Is that the teaching of Jesus Christ?

Peter led some believers "astray" & deviated from "the truth of the gospel", is that the teaching of Jesus Christ?
Have you deleted Peter from God's kingdom?

Prophet Samuel said Jehovah anointed Eliab, Bros , was Samuel truthful ?

In the holy Scriptures, which sin Jehovah's servants never commit ?
Whatever mistakes Jehovah's servants made or make, JWs will continue to serve Jehovah our God.
Imperfect servants of Jehovah naim we be (the public already knows) in the past and present.
You hear ?

As our imperfections dey cause you Sifia pains & incurable headaches,
Bros, go run your own paroll with Rott Wailer & the saints.

Emusan:
FLESHLY HUMANS is your insertion not from that verse... liar!

Was I the one who inserted MANKIND into Revelation 21:3? So the ‘mankind’ there is different from the one in Genesis 5:2? i.e. the makeup of this ‘mankind’ is no longer flesh and blood?

Many translations used PEOPLE
No wonder I do say you people lack simple comprehension.

But the Greek word found in Revelation 21:3 is ἀνθρώπων(anthropos) which translates to mankind with flesh and blood.

What was God's demanded from them?
He said they should BUILD HIM A HOLY SANCTUARY before He(God) can live with them.
But in Revelation God's HOME that is His abode is with PEOPLE.

Your lies have caught up with you this time LOL! So the “I will reside among them” in Exodus 25:8 is different from the one in Revelation 21:3? Please don't make me laugh.

And the seal of God that makes them become a spirit being bah

There's a LOT—as in a LOT you need to know!
Paul, Peter, John in their letters were addressing ONLY those whom Jehovah's holy spirit has sealed/anointed to be given a new birth as immortal spirit creatures!—2Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 1:13, 1Peter 1:23, 2Peter 1:4,10, 1John 2:2 and compare with Revelation 7:3

Your brain is actually on sleeping mode.
In resurrection there is only one thing that happened "sowed in NATURAL BODY and RAISES A SPIRITUAL BODY"

Revelation 20:5 says the resurrection of those born again/anointed Christians whom are part of the 144,000 and have died is the FIRST resurrection. Compare with 1Thess 4:16-17 and 1Corinthians 15:23,51-53
Acts 24:15 mentions the resurrection of just/righteous and unjust/unrighteous ones on earth and that implies that there will be a second, third and so forth.
Unless you're saying unrighteous ones partake in the first resurrection to have immortal spirit bodies too? Smh.

Jesus rose with a GLORIFIED BODY which is SPIRITUAL.
Where did I agree or say Jesus rose with a SPIRIT BODY?

You go just dey dribble yourself everytime
So in your dictionary,
SPIRITUAL BODY ≠ SPIRIT BODY abi? If it's not the same why have you and your partners making noise about John 3:6?
Till now none of you have been able to debunk 1Peter 3:18 that says Jesus rose as a spirit body.

Emusan embrace truth for once you won't die! Tufia!

Emusan:

Funny how you people cherry pick any word from the scripture.
This is Rev21:3 "God’s home is now with his people. He will live with them, and they will be his own. Yes, God will make his home among his people."
That verse says God's HOME is with HIS PEOPLE
The same verse goes further to say "GOD will make HIS HOME among His people"
This shows that this verse is talking about THE ABODE OF GOD.
Or let just say, God will kukuma leave ALL THE SPIRIT BEINGS in heaven and be living with HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH Do you compare the context of the verse yourself before telling someone to do so
It's clear from that verse that the HOME (ABODE) of God will be where those people will be.
I bet you never reason that from that verse.

Okay. Verse 3 said MANKIND, fleshly humans(Genesis 5:2) and not spirits.
So at Exodus 25:8, where was God when he said
“I will reside among them” ?
Heaven or earth?

Everyone owns their salvation to God and the Lamb.
For as MANY that believe on Him EVEN THOSE who believe in His name, He(Jesus) gave power to become God's son. these sons are not BORN of the will of flesh or man but of God.This is BORN AGAIN
If you're not BORN AGAIN, Born of Spirit or Born of God you have no part with Him and your abode is the everlasting fire.

So where in Revelation 7:9-17, did the Bible say the great multitude have the seal of God?

Read the writings of Apostle Paul very well you'll see, it's totally negate your doctrines.
First, there is ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION "sowed in natural body and RAISED in spiritual body"
You can provide us the verse where it says "sowed in natural body and RAISED a natural body"
Second, to apostle Paul ALL BELIEVERS have one hope of being with Christ.
Third, to apostle Paul, There's only two covenants Haggai (which represents unbelievers and her children are all born after FLESH and remained SLAVE) and Sarah (which represents BELIEVER and her children are all promise from above and BORN after spirit)
Last, apostle Paul always contrasts flesh and spirit which he admonished ALL BELIEVERS to be AFTER THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT.
So your doctrine of FLESH has no place in God's word.
You can only find that in the book of your father the Devil.

A big lol I swear! I thought it's you people that claimed Jesus rose with a fleshly body ?
Why the sudden change of heart?
After all that's the topic of this thread. When JWs were quoting 1Corinthians 15:42-44, your brain go vacation shey?
Thank God you've finally agreed that Jesus rose with a spirit body and that's how far we'll go

livingchrist:
Is God flesh? How can he give birth to fleshly sons?
DappaD anyone one born of the spirit (God) is also spirit.
All these are rubbish, you cannot establish how God who is Spirit could give birth to flesh.
It is your word against Jesus' word, Jesus said anyone born of spirit is spirit, so how can Spirit give birth to flesh

You can read, right? When did any of us here claim to be born of spirit? Who told you that you get to choose if you're born again or not? I think you don't understand what Jesus and Peter meant at Matthew 20:20-23 and 1Peter 2:9. Those who are born again to become spirit creatures are called and chosen! It's not a choice one makes.
Please show me one comment made by any JW here who said otherwise.

Abeg abeg my comment was addressed to someone who has respect for God and the Bible to a certain degree and not a hopeless apostate disciple of the John Cedars organization!

“LET THE ONE WHO HAS EARS LISTEN!” (Matthew 11:15, Mark 4:23)

livingchrist:
How can God who is a Spirit give birth to some spirit and others flesh,

@Revelation 21:3, who will be God's people?
Spirits or humans?
Note that they(humans) will also be called children(fleshly sons) of God.(Romans 8:21)

Also please try in your free time to compare Rev 21:3 with Rev 7:15, Rev 22:1 with Rev 7:17b and Rev 21:4 with Rev 7:17c. You'll find out the great multitude[crowd] of Revelation 7 has a very close connection with the “mankind” mentioned at Revelation 21:3! That's just our classic “Scripture will interpret Scripture” routine.
And that'll prove that not all of God's people who are to be saved will become spirit creatures and go to heaven to rule with Christ.

These ones according to Revelation 7:10 owe salvation to Jehovah God and to the Lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments. (John 3:16,36, 15:10)
Which means they're a completely different set of people to inherit ‘life with no end’ as fleshly humans on earth(Ps 37:11, Matt 5:3,5, 2Pet 3:13)

Therefore they are completely different from those in Revelation 7:4-8 & 14:1-4 in the sense that these ones have the prospect of ruling with Christ as immortal spirits held out to them if only they remain faithful in their earthly course(Philippians 3:21, Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:4,10)
They(born again Christians) are chosen through Jehovah's holy spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice to become joint heirs, kings, priests, judges with Jesus Christ for the 1,000years.(Romans 8:16-17, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10, 20:4,6)

I know it might be hard to grasp but that's why Paul cleared the air when he mentioned that his letters were addressed to only those who would be part of the ruling team! He knew that there was a a foreordained number of this spiritual Israel(Romans 11:25, 1Corinthians 6:2, Galatians 6:16) so don't be shocked when Paul totally agrees with Jesus and the vision given to John that a “little flock” of 144,000 anointed(born again) Christians are the only ones that are to be “bought from among mankind” to rule and judge as immortal spirit beings! (Matthew 19:28, Luke 12:32, 20:35-36, John 14:2, Revelation 6:11, 14:1-5)

whereas they are busy shouting that he that is born of Spirit is Spirit, following that same line anyone born of God who is a Spirit should also be spirit.
They are just clowns! Dont take them serious
The bible say anyone who believes on Jesus is born of God.
Since God is a Spirit also all Christians are born of the spirit,


1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

dappa071:
@livingchrist, since you claim every Christian is ‘born of God’, what's your take on 1John 2:2?
What did John mean by “Jesus died for not just our own sins but also the sins of the world” ?

Who do you think John is referring to in the underlined? Use that verse and John 3:3-6 to answer 1John 5:1. Then you can understand that everlasting life/salvation is not tied to just those who are ‘born again’ or chosen to be Kingdom heirs(Romans 8:16-17), but the gift of everlasting life is extended to the whole world, if only they exercise faith in Jesus i.e. obey Jesus' commandments. (John 3:16,36, Romans 6:23, 1Timothy 2:4, Revelation 7:10*)

Honestly I see no reason why a debased apostate would be engaging in a discussion of Biblical matters. Like all them John cedars and jwfacts whom this guy and rottenn.aija always quote have renounced belief in God and the Bible. So what's the reason behind these wannabe NL apostates quoting scriptures if their leaders have denounced the Bible as nonsense?

It's just Blabbermouth and livingchrist I'm pitying. This man is legit using you guys for damage control and it's like y'all don't realise because you're both caught in the crossfire.

Surely if he and his partner rotten.naija are fuelling the ego of the unsuspecting public [such as Blabbermouth, livingchrist and their NL cohorts] you'll know there's nothing good to come out of it!

livingchrist:
what are all these jargons for?

Read and digest.

livingchrist:

Yes? so a lion has the nature of a human being right?

The way you make it seem as if the Bible gives detail about the makeup of Jehovah God and his angels. The Scriptures clearly say Jehovah, Jesus and the other angels are spirits but you want to add your own understanding because you've seen fleshly creatures so you want to compare.

Apart from being made spirits like their heavenly Father(John 4:24, Ps 104:4), Jehovah God made his angels in his image so they are free moral agents able to choose between right and wrong(Genesis 6:2, Ps 103:20, 2Peter 2:4)
So before you use the same logic of animals on humans, ask yourself whether animals, though flesh, have freewill like humans or whether they act on instinct.

I still stand by my question:
Do righteous human beings and wicked human beings have the same nature, since they are flesh?
As in, the righteous and wicked both have freewill right and are flesh too? Use the above logic on Jehovah and his angelic sons.

livingchrist:
what is nature? Oga
If you posses the nature of a lion what does that make you, A clown?

Your answer is located at Ecclesiastes 3:20-21.
Is the lion flesh or not?

livingchrist:
demons are spirits but do they possess same nature as Jehovah?

The gaps in your understanding lies within the meaning of the word “nature”.

livingchrist:
By nature both the wicked and the righteous are humans.
Answer the question and stop shifting

So by nature, both Jehovah God and his faithful angels are spirits[John 4:24, Ps 104:4]
For your question, even the demons are powerful SPIRIT forces[Ephesians 6:12]
Go figure.

livingchrist:
A quick question for you do devils have same nature as God, since they are spirits?

Do righteous human beings and wicked human beings have the same nature, since they are flesh? There you go.

Jozzy4:
Lol
Not suprised . Currently he can't dispute that those born of spirit will share God's nature and form, it's a banker . His new blackmail is to equate them to God Almighty in his head.

Abi oo
I think the only part Blabbermouth is missing entirely is that the anointed Christians[born of spirit] will ONLY receive the crown of immortal life as spirit creatures if they remain faithful til death [Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:10] Like that's the condition he's totally missing but since he has no zeal to learn or change, he saw fit to throw his usual childish tantrums.

Jozzy4:
HE WILL HAVE TO PRODUCE THE POST . THE SILLY BLABBERMOUTH WAS ASKED WHICH FORM ARE ANGELS , HE SAID GOD ALMIGHTY. SO SILLY . HE BOWED OUT IN SHAME ANYWAY, HAD TO RUN

What do you expect from somebody who tried to use 1Corinthians 2:14-15 as a basis for his devious propaganda. Like who even does that

Even the guy feeding Blabbermouth's ego knows fully well that Blabbermouth is talking total rubbish but because it's against JWs so he feels anything goes!

haddeylium:
Nahhh
I sponsored your vacation for thorough meditation on our discuss!
So, enjoy it!

Is he not the same “I'll get back to you” guy?

Jozzy4:
Haydellium said your thinking is low for not knowing the difference between nature and authority, he was right. Show me where Barrister 07 said Angels and those born of spirit is God Almighty ? Or forever remain silent as a liar you are

They're just looking for whatever they can latch onto. Even one hopeless apostate who doesn't know his place is feeding Blabbermouth's ego

Blabbermouth:

You should teach him na.
I only signed up for bible discussions, but for the truth of Christ, i found myself teach basic English - Use of indefinite article, Noun against Adjective and the likes.

Determiners like they've already said was added by English translators what are you still making all the noise for?

No one, I repeat, no single one among you can answer the question I asked concerning spirit worship. It's not a curse, false notions cannot stant before plain truth.

Says the person who's bringing 1Corinthians 2:14-15 into the discussion
Boy you really make me laugh when I read some of your comments ngl
When I said shut up and learn, I meant what I said. It's for your own good!

Someone doesn't know something instead of him to close mouth and learn he's busy raising shoulders up. Nawaoh!

Blabbermouth:
Read your reply, then ask yourself - What was I trying to say?

I said go take some English lessons! I know it's not your primary language so it might be difficult to grasp.

Barristter07:

fleshyly Man is not a spirit being, it is what is born by spirit (men undergoing new birth)
that is Spirit,care to explain ?


Jesus is a life giving Spirit, yes ?

Nooo!
Jesus HAS a spirit by fire by force!

Blabbermouth:
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It's a question the generation of your GB will never be able to answer
You can rest now.
In this case, I wasn't expecting you to say anything.
The mission is to silence you that you are forming enlightened.
Mission Accomplished! [/s]

Focus on the topic at hand and stop throwing tantrums. See as them dey use expose you.
It's only in Blabbermouth's dictionary that form of existence(is/to be) is the same as possession(have/has)
Boy you better go take some English lessons.

Blabbermouth:
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You are a churchgoer yourself.
Go ahead you enlightened one - At what point did God create His Mercy Seat? At what point did God create Darkness? At what what point did God created Angel Michael (lol, I'm taunting you with this)?
Since all these were not listed among the creation account in Genesis 1&2.[/s]

Rooster and bull Looooooool

Didn't Christ ask us to verify a tree (not a forest bro) by its fruit? I've once called you to tell me a single (good) fruit you produce that my tree does not. When you achieve that, we can start talking.

Okay so why are you so bothered about my views now? If you feel you're doing what's required of you according to the Bible, fine. But you shouldn't be asking me this kind of question because I don't have time for your baseless sarcastic comments.

Questions that seem to puzzle these churchgoers:
1. Where is Adam now?
2. At what point did God create a “hellfire” that wasn't listed among the creation accounts in Genesis 1&2?

Just ask livingchrist and his colleagues(Blabber, Emu, Johnw, Muttley) in separate rooms and watch the funny answers you'll get

MaxInDHouse:
Oh that's the easiest for Churchgoers!

God will first export everybody to an unknown destination, then God will burn the heavens and the earth with holy ghost fire, then God will create a new heaven, new earth and hellfire, then God will now judge everyone according to what they did before they died, then God will import all believers back to the new earth but unbelievers will be thrown into hellfire (or lake of fire) they will be crying inside hellfire forever and ever while the fire continue to roast them alife yet they will not die, so we believers will be laughing at them because they refused to listen and believe when we were preaching the gospel to them!

Won't you give me a round of applause?

sonmvayina:
It is wrong for me...I am not saying it has to be wrong for everybody..there are tribes that give their wives to their guest....depends on the custom and tradition of the people and their land...I am not the judge..

My question has and always has been this:


“IF YOUR CUSTOMS AND TRADITION DON'T TELL YOU ADULTERY IS WRONG, YOU WON'T KNOW IT'S WRONG? MUST SOMEBODY TELL YOU FIRST? WHY DON'T YOU JUST KNOW?”

You see, that's what you get when you try using the same logic on the Bible. So you agree everybody is following their own customs abi
If I follow what the Bible says, of what concern is it to you since you're also following the customs of the Igbos?

sonmvayina:
I should be asking you that? Why are you following the customs and tradition of the Jews ..
I am Igbo..I follow the customs and tradition of my people..it is my identity...

I hear smoking mariguana helps them to get through it..I have never tried it..

Why are you following the custom of your people, the Igbos?
Why don't you just figure out that adultery is wrong without someone telling you?

sonmvayina:
Experience, I tried it when I was younger and deep inside me I knew I had done something wrong.my conscience kept judging me..so I desist from doing it again ...I am talking about fornication

So the people who think premarital sex is a norm today are fools right?
That one is your own conscience. Your conscience isn't the same as others. People, especially young ones are fond of the saying: “As long as two consenting [young] adults come together to have sex and aren't hurting anybody, then it's okay and alright.”
That's the result of setting standards for yourself.
To them it's widely accepted and their conscience never pricks them whenever they indulge in it.
So why don't they JUST KNOW that the act is wrong?!

sonmvayina:
I should be asking you that? Why are you following the customs and tradition of the Jews ..
I am Igbo..I follow the customs and tradition of my people..it is my identity...

I hear smoking mariguana helps them to get through it..I have never tried it..

He asked a simple question. So if your customs and traditions don't forbid adultery, you won't know that it's bad abi?
You're telling me about idolatry. I've said stop quoting Moses if you say he's a fictional character.

sonmvayina:
So if somebody had not written that God has said thou shall not kill, you would not have figured it out that it is wrong

If someone takes the life of your loved one, what's stopping you from taking the life of that person or his own loved one?
Shey from your own standpoint, it would be right to retaliate and kill abi? That's what I mean by you setting your standards for yourself.

You want to tow this path again abi?
Okay let's go—who told you that committing fornication, adultery and idolatry is wrong? Where did they write it in your human constitutions and laws?