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BabaRamota1980:
We gave you civilization. You want make i prove am with picture?

I go open your Edo yansh for public if you no keep kwayet.

Abeg can you spot a very telling difference in these 2 pictures? They are pictures of Great Oba of Benin and Ooni of Ife visits to Olu of itsekiris. Who was recognized as a greater King between the Oba of Benin and Ooni of Ife?

Obalufon:
moorish ..Angel of peace ..you can't unite us these mongrels are different from us ...

Your brother moorish said you look like a fish.

Obalufon:
pride go kill you monkeys ..i love it sha......love yours don't disrespect mine there won't be conflict

Shame and jealousy go kill u buffoons.
So what difference did u spot in those royal pictures??

Obalufon:
i don hear ..

Can you spot a very telling difference in the 2 pictures below?
The pictures are from the Great Oba of Benin and Ooni of Ife visits to Olu of itsekiri.
Who was recognized as a greater ruler btw the Oba of Benin and Ooni of Ife??

BabaRamota1980:
You brought your witchery here. Welcome o!

The hoax has overtaken your spirit. Have you seen the Bini flag in commemoration of your sacrifice?

So you are busy trolling anything Edo. If u like Edo that much and want to become Edo just say so. We can give u citizenship.

Obalufon:
Omo Ogun.. laugh..na you say so oo..No One joke with Ogun .. what part of edo are you from answer that first ..

Do u understand and believe what I’m talking about different variations of Ogun and certain rituals done in having a personal Ogun?

I’m saying this just to prove to u that Edo gave Yoruba Ogun and Olokun.

Obalufon:
Ogun?? ..Don't let me call Ogun on you Mr man . .Be careful....what is the meaning of Olokun ..

I have my own personal Ogun so no need for calling.
Just answer my question. I only want to know how Yoruba worship Ogun compared to the Edos’.

How many variations of Ogun do u have in Yoruba? Do you perform certain rites to become one with any variation of Ogun diety?

Obalufon:
god of the sea olokun.. are you people closer to the sea..Ogun deity of iron. ..What is the difference between Olokun and Olosa ...go and meet your high priest he will enlighten you more

Do you know where Olokun headquarters is?
How many types or variations of Ogun do you have in Yoruba?

Please answer these questions.

Obalufon:
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No need to argue with you ..at the back your mind you know the truth....How could slaves dare speak yoruba in the palace of their conqueror ... you people are very stupid ...Ada is symbol of Oranmiyan rule of your people ... you people are stubborn..your fore fathers were ruled over with sword ..

Before I make a post on a topic I research it to know the fact.. obviously you are too daft and dumb to do the same.
If you research Ada history you will find out that it was in existence since the time of the Ogisos.. Oranmiyan did not bring Ada to Benin.

I don’t like using you to judge all Yorubas, but if you are representing all Yorubas then I have to say Yorubas are very daft.

gregyboy:
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I agree this could also pass....

But u doubting my origins for my claims is a typical example of a Nigerian i hpoe not to be

Bro I'm not doubting your claims.. Just saying its more logical to accept the version of the place where Chima came out from than that of where he migrated to.. The Igbos knowledge of Chima only starts from when he came to their lands, they know nothing about him before that..
So I guess it is more logical to say Chima was 100% Edo and changed his name to Igbo to gain acceptance amongst the people he settled with.

There's nothing typical here, it's just using logic to answer questions where there is no records..

banku:
Bini peasants, those of you who could not even go near the Oba palace where the lingua franca is Yoruba, their names Yoruba, their gods Yoruba and their pride is based on Oba, have the audacity to be looking up to us calling us names, please I am not getting into street fight with you. Find your level.

Banku dont die of heart attack over Benin matter..
The lingua franca was never Yoruba.. It was only the Yoruba slaves employed in our palace that spoke yoruba language.
Ogun, Olokun are originally Benin gods exported to Yoruba.
Yes our Oba is our Pride.. Do u have any pride in your Ooni or any of your yoruba obas?

Don't you ever forget that Benin Kingdom conquered and ruled over your ancestors for hundreds of years..

gregyboy:
Yea you right with that ...but when ekaladeran went to ife ....after he was treated like a god by ife people then he took upon himself an edo name to express it all izoduwa (walked to sucess)
But eze chima is way far from edo...
But am not saying is not edo because all reasons states he is an edo but the question how did he get the name eze chima ... My problem with you is your telling the story wrongly with trablism rather than fact and research.....

No bro I’m using logic in my reasoning.
Eze just like Oni means ruler. Oni is ruler for Yoruba and Eze is ruler for Igbo.
As for the name Chima, it could be his name was Ehima corrupted to Chima or he adopted an Igbo name to gain acceptance amongst the new tribe he settled with.
There’s no tribalism here since we all agree he was first Edo before migrating.

Even the igbos acknowledged he migrated to their lands from Benin. But there’s no record about his original background from the igbos because they don’t know. They only know from the time he settled in Igbo lands.
So logically he is Edo and changed his name to Chima.

Obalufon:
laugh when you are stuck to your lies

You people lie too much..

You invented a diamond crystal that light up a whole town.
You carved a very tall building out of a mountain.
Your art work is older than 10,000bc
Eredo Ijebu is the real Jerusalem and is called jebu isalem.
The skull of pre historic human/homo erectus is a Yoruba man.
Yorubas built pyramids of Egypt.

You lie too much. Na only una waka come?

banku:
The problem with Bini peasants is that they lack knowledge and totally ignorant of Yoruba history. They only make up and fabricate stories day by day.

Now they want me to teach them about Sugbon Eredo that existed before Oba you begged for from Ife civilized you.

Another Yoruba dynasty older than Bini is the mountain in Ile-Oluji where mountain was caved into tall building before Europeans built stairs.

Research is easier these days my friends.

We are not ignorant of Yoruba “No” history we just don’t care. It’s only ur lies and twisting of Edo history in relation to the Yorubas we setting straight.
As for your Eredo how come u claim to build a huge structure but yet it was a white man that went into the bush to poo that discovered it in 1960s.. isn’t it strange that Yoruba built that huge structure and didn’t know about it?
Even the said Eredo is not acknowledged and listed among unesco world heritage sites.
Which mountain did u carve into a tall building? Another fairytale again..

Obalufon:
Afrocentric used yoruba as a prove to justifies their claim that ancient Egyptian were blacks and not white as claimed by the eurocentric due to similarity of the two culture..go online type ife artifact they are equate with works of the creeks ..not the monkey heads ..

I don’t understand this ur post. Who are the Afrocentric that used Yoruba to connect Egypt? You are really deceiving yourself.

Obalufon:
Olokun Head was stolen.No where to be found till date. Have you heard of Osupa Ogio ..""The land moon"" huge crystal diamond 10 feet in diameter if not bigger in IFE-ILE USED As illuminating device at night it lit up the whole town .. Our bronze cast was so sophisticated and the realism is so appealing to the senses Even the white claimed they couldn't attain the level expertise of our bronze caster at that point in time nothing of such in Europe by that time ..they even conducted scientific test of the bronze head to understand how they were cast they want to know the dynamic of the metal

Fables and fairytales again!! So crystal diamond light up a whole town? That only happens in fairy movies. I guess there are fairies in Ife then.

Obalufon:
why the symbol your King ADA..

Now it’s ADA you want to claim lol.
If we were advanced enough to have a flag for our kingdom then ADA cannot be from Yoruba. I’m waiting for you to claim our flag too.

banku:
Sometime I wonder if it's worth it arguing with this usurpers.

Ife is too ancient to compare to Bini, the name given to you by the same Ife.

You guys should try a more recent Sugbon Eredo and compare Bini's age, space and class. These guys are descendants of peasants used by Yoruba Oba for dirty jobs.

I cannot imagine a Bini royal blood with Yoruba name up to present arguing against or pointing left finger to his father's house.

Please shut up about sugbon eredo. If u cannot give a detailed account of who built it, when it was built and the purpose for it then it is a useless structure and cannot be compared to Benin moats and rampants that have a story and rich history behind it.
The problem with you yorubas and ur structures is that it is full of darkness, no known history. Just like u said, Eredo is recent and also is Yoruba history which is recent to 17th century. Even Ife you don’t know who founded Ife or when.
There is no accurate accounts of early Yoruba people. Only savages are like that.
Yet u compare yourselves to Benin that is universally accepted as a civilized and mighty kingdom in ancient times.

Have you ever wondered why Benin was able to colonize and rule over vast parts of Yoruba lands?

Obalufon:
believe what want to believe be grateful of your Ife connection you would have been so backward ..is a known fact.twist history or not the fact are out there ,we gave you everything you know even religion, you still worship our deities..Be grateful if not for anything atleast we gave you people cloth to cover your butt...

How can u give us cloth when in fact it was Benin exporting clothing for sale to Yorubas? No need to talk too much just do a little research and u will find out it was Benin that actually clothed Yoruba although We didn’t do it for free.
Benin and Ife may have exchanged ideas which is normal between countries but saying Ife gave Benin everything is very wrong and shallow. Benin probably gave Ife more because Benin was a Mightier, stronger and wealthier than Ife..

banku:
This people are commedians honestly.

Imagine anyone disputing the greatest culture, arts and antifacts dating back to over 10,000 before Christ.

If this culture was not spread beyond Nigeria into other African countries, Europe and America; these midgets standing on the shoulder of Giants would be shouting they could see further than the giants.

This deceptive culture is what is killing arts and science in Nigeria. Every discovery, invention and skill are not trusted by international community, just because of people like these.

Bini e-warriors might succeed with lesser cultures, not the Oba culture from Yoruba that propelled into prominence.

No Yoruba art was dated to 10,000bc so please stop ur foolishness. The few Yoruba arts that were excavated (2 heads and 3 calabash) were dated to the 12th century so why this foolish talk of 10,000bc?
Also the only giant in pre colonial West Africa was Mighty Benin Kingdom.

Obalufon:
No point in talking, reiterating on known obvious fact ..live and die in your believe is your right ,,but the truth and fact will always be told

Just as you too can live and die in your false beliefs but sad part is that you die not knowing the truth.
Truth is Yoruba never gave Edo cloth, exporting of clothing was a major source of income for Benin kingdom in the 16th century. The clothing was exported to Yoruba lands.
The Ife arts excavated in early 20th century were dated to the 12th century. Benin arts are much older than that. None of the Ife arts found were dated older than benin’s..
if Ife have art works older than any of Benin art works it is yet to be found.

samuk:
The issue of Onitsha should be a settled one, Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography claiming Onitsha people came from Benin was written in 1970. According to Zik, the history was handed down to him by his grandmother, who also got it from her parents and grand parents, now ask yourself which century could Zik' s grandmother been born? 1800s? These were the period before modern day revisionist that are now trying to rewrite history because of bride were born.

All we know about Eze Chima is:

He was born and raised in Benin
He was a nobleman/royalty
He had a position of authority or power in Benin administration.
He challenged the Oba’s absolute power and this resulted into serious conflict and fighting many lives lost.
He was defeated and fled Benin with his followers.

All of the above points to the fact that Eze Chima was an Edo man.
His name could have been Ameze corrupted to Eze Chima or it could have been Ehima corrupted to Chima.

gregyboy:
Ooh because i am not ethnocentric in my comments then am not edo ...even if i was anyother tribe i would stand for what i believe what i hate and what i like fighting for edo dignity is not going to put money in my pocket they all could still be d one to betray me one day so i fucking dont care i fight for what is right not for what seems right to edos or benins ....am a nigerian first before been an edo person if you understand that u wont come quote me like this
The igbos stories could be right logically but i still have my doubt on the stories because thier king claim direct descendants from edos with an igbo name leaves us to go for research...

Simple logic would be that Eze Chima was the new name adopted by Edo man that fled Benin and founded Onitsha just like Ekhaladeran name was changed to oduduwa when he settled in Ife.

Obalufon:
post the benin art that is older than ife art ..you people are delusional ...monkey kingdom...our terracotta are even way much other

You are obsessed with Benin.
First na cloth, now na art..
Just accept the greatness of Benin so u will have peace in ur heart.

geosegun:
Why do you guys feel so comfortable to lie and even try to change history. History has it the the Oba of Benin's head are buried in Ife until recently and not the other way round as you have stated above? The last time I checked, the grave of one of the Kings is in Ife, as evidence. Can you please tell us a place where such heads of Yoruba Obas' are buried in Benin or keep quiet forever?

It is not a crime to have a king or leader from another land. This has happened several times in human history. Even the British Royalty has German ancestry, and heaven did not fall for cry out loud. Why the fuse, if Benin royalty has Yoruba/Benin blood? Or the Ilorin Emir has Fulani and Yoruba blood?

You guys should go and face the Nigerian polity and ensure the country is great again rather than wallowing in self aggrandizement and inferiority complex. Let us make these race great again if truly our forefathers have done what you guys are claiming here. What will generations that come after say about us? Let's everyone sheath their sword and forget these arguments and move on. I am sure there are more better things to learn from both cultures.

@Moorish; thanks for your observations and assertions.

In this your assessment did u ever wonder if Germans go about saying they founded British empire or bragging they own British monarchy?
Your brothers are the ones embarrassing themselves so you should caution them instead of writing this beautiful nonsense.

Meanwhile can you show us the grave of any Oba of Benin in Ife?

firebrand:
As copied.

LAGOS MY STATE
WHO OWNS LAGOS? HISTORY 101:POINT OF INFORMATION

"By 1872 Lagos was a cosmopolitan trading center with a population of over 60,000 people.Colonial Lagos developed into a busy, cosmopolitan port, with an architecture that blended Victorian and Brazilian styles.The Brazilian element was imparted by skilled builders and masons who had returned from Brazil Th.e black elite was composed of English-speaking "Saros" from Sierra Leone and other emancipated slaves who had been repatriated from Brazil and Cuba.By 1872 the population of the colony was over 60,000, of whom less than 100 were of European
origin.

In 1876 imports were valued at £476,813 and exports at £619,260. Telephone links with Britain were established by 1886, and electric street lighting in 1898.In August 1896, Charles Joseph George and G.W. Neville,both merchants and both unofficial members of the Legislative Council, presented a petition urging construction of the railway terminus on Lagos Island rather than at Ido, and also asking for the railway to be extended to Abeokuta. Lagos history is rich in Yoruba tradition,trade and
commerce,infrastructural development and cosmopolitanism." -EXTRACTED

With the little facts above, I would like to educate some illiterates making stupid assumption from blind sentiments that they developed Lagos.

Lagosians had telephone presence in 1886, Itu and Calabar got connected to Telephone in 1923, while between 1946 and 1952, a three-channel line carrier system was commissioned between Lagos and Ibadan and was later extended to Oshogbo, Kaduna, Kano, Benin, and Enugu. Communication technology is a major signifier of civilizations and if Lagosians were already making telephone calls more than 70 years before your daddies, where then did you get the warped idea that you came to develop Lagos?

By 1856 Cable and Wireless Company of the UK had commissioned a submarine cable link between Lagos and London and In 1851 a post office was established in Lagos; all these before of the emergence of Nigeria as an amalgamated country. If I may ask again, where did the stupid idea that Igbo developed Lagos came from? Or that Lagos was developed with Nigeria's money when Lagos was not even part of Nigeria until 1914.

I always feel embarrassed anytime I read and hear even so-called educated people from the East making these stupid assertions.

The first Yoruba lawyer Christopher Alexander Sapara Williams was called to the English Bar in 1879 whilst the first Igbo lawyer, Sir Louis Mbanefo, was called to the English bar in 1937. Again the first Yoruba medical practitioner, Dr. Nathaniel King, graduated in 1875 from the University of Edinburgh whilst the first Igbo medical practitioner, Dr. Akannu Ibiam, graduated from another Scottish University in 1935. Again I ask, where did the ignorant hypothesis of the backward Yoruba race who needed development by the superior Igbo race come from? For the sake of our generation and posterity we need to teach factual history and not just cook up some cock and bull ego-centric concoctions as facts. The attitude of recycling long tales steeped in empty arrogance should be discarded before you miseducate your kids with fictions.

Awolowo will continue to be the Yoruba hero not because of blind followership but because he gave his people the system of free education, free healthcare and he introduced Television to the Yoruba; making Yorubaland the first region to have a TV station in Africa all done with revenues from Cocoa. It is crass ignorance and naked buffonery to claim Lagos was built with Nigeria's money. In addition, where did the foolish idea that the Igbo brought civilization to Lagos and Yoruba-land come from?

The aim of this post is not to deride any tribe but to correct the dangerous misinformation trending among some Igbo youths and common in their narratives that Lagos is a no-man's land and that their fathers built and develop Lagos. Your forebears came to Yoruba-land like every other settlers and we appreciate their contributions but the stupid claim that Igbo built and develop Lagos is a gross display of stupidity because Lagos was already developed before your forebears came here from their villages and towns.

The first storey building in Nigeria was built in Marina, Badagry in 1845, long before some of hinterland people gave up the idea of conical mud houses with thatched roofs which some boastfully called 'ancient mansions.' How can you now claim your grand-sires developed Lagos? Please if you are one of those spreading the fiction, I expect you to desist from self-delusion and collective amnesia forthwith.

The first Igbo alphabet-character set and Igbo primer (Isoama-Ibo) was published by Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther (a yoruba man from Osogun) in 1857. How can you now claim superiority over the Yoruba race and even carelessly affirm that your forebears should be thanked for bringing enlightenment to Yoruba Land?

While I do not see all these achievements as a sign of Yoruba superiority over the Igbo or any other tribe for I do not believe in racial superiority; I will not also tolerate any attempt by bigots who stoke ethnic hatred through incitement and arrogant claims of superiority over others.

Your story starts in the 19th century.. So before that time there was no Lagos??

OfficialAPCNig:
Eze Chima was an Igbo man that migrated to Bini.

You can't afford not to like an average Igbo man. He was resourceful, so the Oba loved him. Some version said he married an Edo princess. I don't know.

The truth is Onicha was founded by an Igbo man.

If he lived in Benin and rose to become a nobleman and an important person in the kingdom then he was a Benin citizen even if his background is Igbo. And when he left he probably had some followers who were originally Benin.
So it is still logically correct to say Onitsha was founded by Benin people (not Benin Kingdom)..

The reason Eze Chima left Benin was due to conflict he had with the palace. He was a very important man in the kingdom, he tried to change the politics of Benin and it resulted in conflict and fighting between him and the palace. He lost the fight and fled with his followers.. that was how he went and founded Onitsha

OfficialAPCNig:
Onitsha was founded by Eze Chima. Does that name sound Edo to you?

Is it true Benin once ruled over Onitsha? If it is true then was it by conquest or by blood relations with founders of Onitsha?

OfficialAPCNig:
Onitsha was founded by Eze Chima. Does that name sound Edo to you?

Who was Eze Chima in Benin? Was he born there? Do u know if he actually a Benin man that changed his name after migrating?
I heard he was a nobleman, a royalty when he was in Benin.
Do you really know who he was? I don’t know that’s why I’m asking.

OfficialAPCNig:
Fixed.

It seems you are just part of the few sensible Bini historians.

Have you read the history of Onitsha?
It was founded by migrants from Benin kingdom so it is very correct to say Onitsha was founded by Benin.

banku:
Hey boy, I told you to lecture your appendages, I do not belong to the same pedestrian level as you guys, that is why I stayed back and watch Bini that were ruled over and that worship their ruling house, make a fool of themselves about subject taught in elementary schools to most Nigerians. If you belong to the ruling House, you will have a Yoruba name and god to worship.

Turn Iwo Eleru to whaever you want, as usual.

If you like dey level 6 or level 9 no your business be that.. Fact remains that Great Benin conquered and ruled your weak ancestors for hundreds of years.. That is a subject taught in elementary, secondary and tertiary institutions in Nigeria..
I know in elementary schools they also teach that Oduduwa descended from the skies in chains and that Yorubas migrated from Arab nations.. Oh I forget to add that they also teach that most modern Yorubas are descendants of slaves..

Its only a fake and lowlife person that claims level.. We know your type..

banku:
You need to lecture your fellow Bini appendages that think Iwo Eleru is oral tradition.

When Ooni told you Ife is older than Adam and Eve or might have come from there, he was not joking.

The same way you guys shot wide and wild on Oduduwa that was way before Christ.

A liar has no memory, no history, no facts but make up stories as the go along.

So Iwo Eleru is not Bini predecesor, eh? You are not part of man prehistory, Bini existed before man! Odesons!

Iwo Eleru is name of a place not name of a person or skull.. and Iwo Eleru is not 10,000 years old, it was founded some hundreds centuries ago.
As for the skull, are u saying that the ape skull is that of a Yoruba man? (I agree the Yorubas behaves like monkeys and very foolish people)
Oduduwa is an Edo prince.