₦airaland Forum

Janosky:
Romans 16:23
"23 Gaius, whose hospitality I and the whole church here enjoy, sends you his greetings.

Erastus, who is the city’s director of public works, and our brother Quartus send you their greetings. "

Erastus is a high ranking public servant not politician.

Did Jesus promise his followers a political solution in due time?

City director of pubic works is like a commissioner for works and housing. Is a commissioner a civil servant or a political appointee?

Jesus disciples asked for a political Kingdom and Jesus answered them accordingly. He didn't tell them that the restoration of the earthly kingdom was not their business. Rather he said that His father had fixed a time for it to come in future.

achorladey:
You get to wonder may they see these other Christian denominations with cutlasses, swords bombs guns armour tanks when going to their gatherings

Honestly. They are full of comedy. And come to think of it, when they come to preach, deep down in their minds their ultimate objective is not to preach peace and love but to condemn your own belief and tell you that they know God in a special way than everyone else. That is simply arrogance and pride. They want you to collect their tracts while they reject yours like a plague. Is that how to be peaceful and peace loving?

MaxInDHouse:
There was no active politician holding any position in the first century, like today when i first met the JWs i never knew it will come to my resignation. But i so much love what i was learning more than anything in the world!
So it was during the study of a book "You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth" that i came to a portion where my conscience began disturbing me that i must make the decision.
I first ran away for many years but God kept me alive until i now came back fully prepared to forgo whatever it will cost me to become a member of this peaceloving group! Luke 18:18-23

Then who was Erastus and what exactly is the status of a city treasurer as described in Romans 16'23? All religious organizations are peace loving. I don't know of any one that preaches the absence of peace from their pulpit.
The bible is your standard and not first century Christians who had their own sins. Wasn't the first century Christians Paul was referring to when he wrote a letter to the church in Corinth rebuking them for incestuous relationships among themselves? So are you suggesting you practice incest because first century Christians did it?

Maximus85:
Be careful of their planned arguments. Na because na Nigeria. Other developed countries are now carrying out bloodless treatments because of the side effects and dangers of blood transfusion. here here in Nigeria, they are so so backward.

Fact check: How many Jehovah's Witnesses have died because they refused blood?

How many non Witnesses are dying even after taking the blood.

My experience: Nigerian doctors will treat you without blood. But if you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, they won't even bother. That's the truth.

So since people sometimes die through surgical operations, then such method of treating ailments should be abandoned? Or that since aeroplanes do crash and kill hundreds of passengers on board air travel should be banned? Funny.

Trustedpronet:
What can you say about been in the world yet not part of the world?

The world as used in the bible means participation in sin against God. It doesn't mean you should isolate yourself from the affairs of men completely.

MaxInDHouse:
Please the bolded!
Can you tell me how fellow believers in Christ will not kill themselves during political struggles?
And does the scriptures support such in the midst of Christians? John 13:34-35

A true believer would in the first instance understand that politics should not be an unhealthy competition hence he wouldn't even get involved to the extent of struggling negatively in it. And pray tell me any human endeavor that can't and doesn't have the capacity to degenerate into deadly rivalry.

Your citation of John 13: 34 - 35 doesn't prove that Jesus was against participation in earthly government or politics. His avoidance was simply because it would forestall his salvation project of dying on the cross. Now, do all Christians equally have to die on the cross to save the world?

Secondly, just before Jesus was taken back to heaven his disciples asked him when God would fulfill his promise of restoring their earthly government to them as a country. By that the disciples demonstrated interest in how they were being politically governed. They obviously wanted an end to the extant Roman imperialism. But did Jesus rebuke them for being interested in earthly governance of their country. A big no. Rather Jesus reaffirmed the promise and reassured them of its fulfilment in due time.
In Romans 16:23 Paul transmitted calvary greetings from Erastus a political office holder in the Government of Rome.... meaning that Paul recognized a politician as a worthy member of the church.

haddeylium:
Voting is a constitutional right of every citizen, most especially in a democratic form of government.
Jehovah’s Witnesses totally RESPECT this arrangement and they never cause any problems or obstacles for other people to freely exercise their right.
However, JWs around the world have decided to VOTE not for HUMAN government but GOD's government in HEAVEN



Jehovah’s Witnesses maintain their worldwide unity by remaining neutral for religious reasons. As many of you are aware politics is a great divider of nations and creates a huge disunity even among close friends.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are following the example of Jesus and his Apostles in remaining neutral in politics.
Jesus refused one of the highest positions in any government. Jehovah’s Witnesses follow this pattern“John 6:15)
Early Christians were loyal to God’s Kingdom. So are Jehovah’s Witnesses2 Corinthians 5:20)

The bolded is a distortion of biblical truth through your group's attitude of interpreting one particular bible verse in isolation of the others. Jesus and his disciples were never politically neutral. Recall that when Jesus was just about to be taken back up to heaven His disciples asked him when the Kingdom of Israel would be restored to them the Israelites. This meant that his disciples were interested in how they were being governed politically by earthly government and wanted their own home political government as against the Roman imperialism. Now, did Jesus rebuke them for nursing such desire? Answer is no. Rather, Jesus replied that God would surely restore that earthly government to them but in due time.

Then somewhere else in the book of Romans or so, Paul was sending greetings to some members of the church there and he mentioned the city treasurer meaning that a man holding a political office in an earthly government was regarded as a worthy member of the body of Christ by Paul himself. I think the man's name is recorded as Chamberlain. Let me check up the details and edit accordingly.

Trustedpronet:
Kindly Google about those that was infected with dangerous diseases through blood transfusion. The world is confuse that they can't deferentiat between good and evil.

My final year project was about a research on how medicines taken to cure certain diseases could actually worsen those diseases or bring about an entirely new disease in addition to the one it is meant to cure but failed to. And my research discovered lots of such medicines. So why haven't JWs stopped taking medications?

MaxInDHouse:
Let's assume they did back then as you're saying right now what made them the one and only Organization that remains neutral today? Matthew 5:11-12

As of today, does the Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, Methodist, and lots of others pledge allegiance to any political bloc in their capacity as religious organizations? Only their members do so as individuals and the Bible doesn't forbid that. Even some JWs show sympathy for certain political groupings in Nigeria just that for fear of being disfellowshiped they conceal such sympathies.

MaxInDHouse:
My God will bless you for this!

Putin is not the problem but jealous orthodox Churches who feels JWs have been talking too much about their evil deeds. They're the ones giving Putin their full support to attack JWs so as to silence them from exposing their evil deeds!

Exposing evil deeds? You mustbe living in the assumption that JW is a saintly organization. Let me shock you,. do you know that JW openly endorsed Adolf Hitler's onslaught on Jews during the second World War? I don't even like like to bother you with a lot other evils JW has supported in its capacity as an organization.

misano:
This is not about what Obaseki is doing in PDP, it's about how the Edo people feel about APC. Edo people are not willing to give APC a 2nd chance. They rather try a different party than go back to APC. That's fact.

It is about how Obaseki is doing in PDP and running the state presently. Edo State people don't play partisan politics blindly like most other states in the country.
The truth is that Obaseki never won either of his two elections with a wide margin and that puts a question mark on your judgement about how Edo people view APC.

misano:
Relax, APC has lost Edo State. What has been done can't be reversed. PDP is looking forward to another candidate come 2024. The party plans to hold Edo for as long as possible. But as for APC in Edo, the party is dead.

I am not sure you are from Edo State. If you were, you would have known that lots of those who supported his reelection are presently confused. I will bring you back to this comment. It is just three years from now.

zolajpower:
He has relinquish it during the mop up exercise which also affected Odubu and the rest . Look I don't support any of them , before you tear me apart , I know very well you re from Edo state and are ready to argue . Because the little I know while in Benin is that an average Edo man is ready to argue and fight and me I don't have the energy

Yes an average Edo man is usually not comfortable with one-sided narratives hence his tendency to contend whenever he sees such. Other Nigerians usually gloss over one-sided and unbalanced narratives purportedly because they want peace and calm atmosphere but that exactly is why Nigeria is like this.
Then on the other issue: the mere fact that Obaseki relinquished the property at the verge of the commencement of his political witch-hunt clearly indicates that:
1 he would have held on to the property had the need for political vengeance never arisen.

2. he was a beneficiary of the same corruption and sharing of state's resources he accused Oshiomhole of hence there are many other ways he himself has milked the state of her resources but not yet known to the public because there is yet no basis for the extension of his vendetta to such realms.

zolajpower:
Illegal acquired as the SSG of Edo state then . In a saner clime this man should be behind bars now

And you haven't ever heard that Obaseki acquired a piece of land in GRA while he was head of Edo State economic team under Oshiomhole?

wink2015:
Obaseki is unrelenting.

He is just using KOBOKO to flog the Oshiomole boys.

The 12 legislators are no long welcome to hold their seat.

Betrayal have a heavy price which the like of the legislators are paying.

Not even the 7 legislators loyal to Obaseki do sit anymore. Or when last did you hear any news about proceedings in Edo State House of Assembly?

Bouz:
Oshomole tried to make a fool of obaseki, Am happy he defeated oshomole, it's ize Iyamu that will suffer it las las.

With the posterity of all that is happening in Edo State now, namely; absence of cabinet for 9 months and still counting, closure of all state-owned tertiary institutions, demolition of the properties of even PDP members for insisting that he honours the agreements he reached with them before being admitted into the party, outstanding salaries of AAU lecturers, suddenly dishonouring the agreement he earlier on in 2019 had with Oba Ewuare II on the destination of the about-to-be-returned artefacts, near total abandonment of governance while still going on holidays in the US, sponsoring thugs to beat up those opposed to him within the PDP, abandoned first term projects here and there, taking the glory of private sector investments in the state, opening a parallel PDP state secretariat in opposition to that which admitted him into the party, revenue generation through harsh unilateral policies, taking over of the State Assembly premises by drug addicts, discontinuation of Red Roof Revolution project, reduction of AAU subvention from the N200 million of Oshiomhole era to just N40 million, refusal to conduct LGA elections, night life becoming history in Benin City as a result of withholding of funds meant to power streetlights erected by Oshiomhole, collapse of Edo State transportation company a.k.a. Comrade Buses, etc; is Oshiomhole not being vindicated for his quest to see him out of Osadebe House?

XaintJoel20:
I guess you knew izeiyamu less than 9years ago. Izeiyamu was the Chief of Staff for during Lucky Igbinedion first four years and SSG during his second term.
That was when Izeiyamu got this land.
The land was acquired as government farm to train youths in farming, but was dubiously taken by izeiyamu.
If you know about the now moribund IO Farms, it's part of it.

Do you know how lands have been acquired now through Obaseki's Agriprenural Program which never produced any harvest and has since gone into oblivion? Are you aware that Obaseki acquired a parcel of land in GRA through the Oshiomhole administration?

favor914:
War is not about who won the first battle, Oshiomole will have the last laugh, never bite from the hand that feed you.

Insightful. Obaseki bit the hands of Oshiomhole who fed him and literally held him by the hand and speaking for him in the 2016 electioneering campaign in which Obaseki was merely stammering and couldn't even put up any convincing argument before the camera. In fact without Oshiomhole's oratorial prowess behind Obaseki, Ize-Iyamu would have eaten Obaseki raw in the election back then. However Oshiomhole too is not innocent of betrayal considering how he haunted the same Ize-Iyamu who rallied the new Grace Group to provide Oshiomhole with the platform and resources to contest in 2007 and win.

favor914:
Don’t mind the senseless youths, instead of asking questions they are hailing Obaseki that will run back to APC in 2 years time, ordinary commissioners he can’t appoint, Useless betrayal, enjoy your second term, 9 months has already gone by, it is only counting down.

Well, while I perfectly agree that Obaseki is likely to end up as the worst governor of Edo State against whom even Lucky Igbinedion will smell of roses, Oshiomhole will still carry the blame for railroading Obaseki to limelight and imposing him on Edo APC in 2016 in defiance to all warnings and counsels from the Palace and lots of well meaning Edo State stakeholders in 2016. Edo State is presently suffering the consequences of Oshiomhole's ITK syndrome. Yes so far Oshiomhole remains the best thing to have happened to Edo State since its creation in 1991 going by his quality legacy projects, however, in terms of arrogance and self-opinionation, If you had the opportunity of ever interacting face to face especially towards the end of his second term you would wonder if it was the same Oshiomhole that was being talked about in the media with all glee and fancy. I used to be very ethralled by Oshiomhole's person considering his style of governance which desmonstrated a strong political will deployed to the benefit of the Edo State people, but I began to fancy him less beginning from the day a group of concerned natives of my LGA visited him officially to lay a complaint to him about an age-old injustice which my LGA had suffered. Oshiomhole's response was so bad, full of arrogance and verbal recklessness. At that point I knew his fame was already getting into his head and would definitely become his hubris in no time and so it really happened through his Obaseki choice against every advice and known antecedents of the Obaseki family line.

favor914:
9 months after still no commissioners? Indeed he is the best Governor in the whole of Nigeria.

Just leave him. He is still among those yet to see through the smokescreen.

immyy:
Come over to Kogi State and see good governance.
I wish Edi could even borrow us Obaseki for just one month, at least the workers would be paid one full salary.

So you want your state to have nearly all her tertiary institutions closed down and staff owed salaries, and that the government operates without a cabinet indefinitely while the governor extorts you through N50,000 per house land use charge and lot other obnoxious policies? You seem to be observing Edo State from afar.

favor914:
Ok Obaseki is better than himself & Oshiomole, or who are the APC Governors you are referring to?

You just took it out of my mouth. I don't know which APC he is referring to. The same APC Obaseki left and planning to return to. A product of godfatherism claiming to fight godfatherism while he himself is plotting to become a godfather. That monicker is obviously a comedian.

Antoeni:
From the way things are Going Now
The Oba of Benin Palace might be Revoke if care is not Taken

Agreed that Obaseki is crazy and reckless, but Obaseki's madness will be cured the day he tries nonsense on the palace or the traditional institution. Note that the Oba Palace predates even Nigeria talkless of Edo State Government.

misano:
APC is officially dead in Edo State .

You are obviously observing from a long distance. Even PDP in Edo State is no longer in support of Obaseki just that they don't want to voice out so as to avoid the shame of being taunted by the APC. Aren't you aware that Edo PDP has been writing letters to Uche Secondus asking him to take disciplinary actions against Obaseki for causing unending problems in the party? Why do you think Obaseki has not been able to constitue a cabinet now for almost 10 months since his reelection but always diverting attention away from that by demolishing buildings and revoking license of whoever criticizes him even within the PDP? When last did you hear Edo PDP make a public statement in defense of Obaseki's action or even write a rejoinder to criticisms targeted at Obaseki? Go to Benin City right now and you won't need anyone to tell you that even PDP supporters and members in Edo State are in regret mood for accepting Obaseki into their fold.

XaintJoel20:
The biggest mistake Edo people would have made would have been to vote Ize-iyamu as a governor.
That man is an irredeemable thief.
He got that land through dubious means.
Thank God for a governor like Obaseki.

Didn't you see 'right of occupancy' in the story?

Tonitoniton:
Well said.

Like u said, I may not agree with u on some of ur points. Example,

1 am into oil and gas plus marine services, I can tell u vividly that all oil wells belong to the north from ibb till now. The only exception which I may not mention here for obvious reason was when of the leaders (not from ijaw) used two persons from the east and south south to secure some oil wells which has since been revoked. Allocation of oil sells is different from oil well allotment.

Secondly, I know what an ino man is like when not groomed for leadership which pervade every where where u got ur assumption from. Dont forget that the south south themselves are not different(am from south south), some south souths thinks they are more important than the others and more south south than the other. Have u ever heard of any meeting where sout south nation was called and related matter discussed? But, one of the leader will start speaking for every body in the south without proper consultation.

Like I said, am not interested in biafra or the other, my point is, any thing that will break fulani southern enslavement is welcomed

Among the South South people opinions are almost 100 unanimous on what we are agitating for which is restructuring and greater devolution of powers to states and LGAs. And this is the point which most SS figures keep repeating. Do you need to consult a people again when you want to voice out exactly what they have already made themselves very clear about. A South South elder or leader can't be accused of speaking for the SS without consultation as long as all he is doing is to call for resource control by any means and in any language.
Let us use you as an example. You are making a case for an end to Fulani domination here. Can you be accused of speaking for the South without due consultantion knowing fully well that what you are saying is the already established consensus of nearly all Southerners?

Well, be it oil well allocation or allotment, they all carry benefits which all the Wazobian tribes enjoy more than the owners themselves.

AdakaBoro8:
cant believe you an Igbo.. this is been two years i have been engaging coversation with ibos..but categorically i can tell you i have not met any one like you with awareness of history..

I am not Igbo. Definitely not. I am Edo.

AdakaBoro8:
wazobia name came into existence in 1992...but the wazobia is an ideology already created by awo, zik, bale, in late 1930s....

this 3 people gave the pressure to benard bourdilun the then governor general to fraudulently divide the country into 3regions instead of normal 4cardinal points.....which saw the Ijaws distributed into two regions of west and east...

Are you aware that an Ijaw man named Ernest Ikoli was a very prominent member of the political movements back in the 1930s when the motion for the creation of regions was set sail? Does that automatically translate to Ernest Ikoli being culpable in the creation of the regions hence the splitting up of Ijaws into two different regions? If you recall that Awolowo himself fought without success to see the inclusion of Yorubas in present day Kogi and Kwara States into the Old Western Region then you will understand that the creation of regions back then without recourse to ethnic homogeneity wasn't the making of these figures. Anthony Enahoro, left for him, didn't even want regions, rather he submitted a proposal for the creation of 45 States based on ethnic affinities and compatibility.

AdakaBoro8:
how on earth will azikiwe awolowo balewa only used names only from their 3 tribes to called a nation of 500 tribes??

abeg wazobians make una swallow una nigeria wey only una 3 gather and formed fraudulently.....

oduduwa and biafra should better embraced their nigeria....... 3 of you meted injustices on us minorities... no wonderrr!!! now i know what fulanis doing....i guess they are revenging against the wazobians

Well I don't know what you see in my penultimate comment that made you conclude I am a Wazobian.
Contrary to your claim, the Wazobia concept came into existence in 1992 when the N50 note was created hence it couldn't have been the brainchild of Azikiwe, Awolowo and Balewa. The domination of the minorities by the majority wouldn't have been if Aguiyi Ironsi hadn't ever introduced military rule let alone tamper with the Independence Constitution which otherwise guaranteed the autonomy of each region and also made provision for the creation of new regions for the minorities by way of plebiscite which was invoked to create Midwestern Region and was just to be invoked again to create COR Region before the unfortunate January 15 1966 coup happened.

AdakaBoro8:
no....
WAZOBIANS own nigeria....

Wazobians are an assortment of different tribes, likewise the minorities. Now, it you put all the minorities together they outnumber the Wazobians by far. This shows that if the minorities cooperate as Wazobians do, Wazobians will lose relevance. So they don't really own Nigeria. Such notion is a function of our mindset and our ignorance of the better advantage we stand only if we can realize it.

Tonitoniton:
Hahahaha.

I never said u should join biafra, I was only exploring options available. I deliberately didnt mention an ijaw or south south republic because people like our wonderful pa Clark and his like will sabotage it .


Besides, why are u scared of them? Do u know what the fulani has in store for the south?

Some body that lives in the far north and has divided the oil well in the south to her emirs and elites, what do u think he will do to the south if biafra succeeds to leave? Of course, it will be a gori tale.

Let's not let sentiments to becloud our sense of reasoning cos it will lead no where.

Personally, I dont like the way they are going about the biafra, but, any thing that will break the south out of the slavery of fulani will be welcomed, my brother.

We must join force to resist fulanisation of the south.

I am quite impressed with your take on some issues but you need to reexamine your perception that only Fulanis own all oil blocs in the Niger Delta. If you check the facts very well you would realize that oil blocs ownership is a thing of the three Wazobian tribes and that Igbo is the single tribe which directly or indirectly controls most oil blocs in the South-South. Secondly your perception that going with Biafra is a better option is rather misplaced because if you study Nigeria's political history you would realize that the quest by the Igbo right from colonial era to dominate Nigeria and enslave every other tribe permanently is what led to a badly negotiated Nigeria hence all the structural and functional deficiencies of the system today.
You said you are a native of Warri hence you must be one of Urhobo, Itsekiri or Ijaw. But I know that these three tribes have at different times denounced the inclusion of Delta State in Biafra because their elders who are conversant with the atrocities of Igbos against the Niger Delta interests right from time know that a joint SS/SE Biafra will be far worse than Nigeria in terms of oppression and injustice. Igbos are not really any different from Fulanis in terms of domineering spirit and expansionist drive. What is annoying Igbos in Nigeria today is not the oppression in the land but the fact that they are not the oppressors. It would shock you to be told that it was Igbos that first partnered with Fulanis politically in Nigeria by their rejection of the proposed all-south alliance at independence which would have crushed the Fulani born-to-rule philosophy in the bud but preferred the ideologically bankrupt NPC-NCNC coalition Government headed by the Caliphate with an Igbo man compensated with a powerless governor general position. That is to tell you how far greed can drive the average Igbo man into selling out the future generations for ephemeral power and material benefits. Again, the referendum we hopelessly seek today would have been part and parcel of our constitution but it was Igbos that consistently fought against it each time it was brought up in all pre-independence constitutional conferences. They argued all the time that a clause for secession referendum in our constitution was inimical to national unity and progress. Where they failed to convince other tribes, they would instigate the colonial authorities to threaten them with charges of treason if they didn't stop proposing the inclusion of such a clause in the future constitution. Pray tell me what exactly was their driving motive for such a retrogressive and wicked preference back then. It finally took an Igbo man again dismantle the regional system by which each region was autonomous and made her own laws hence no one single Region or tribe could own oil blocs or mining field in another talkless of planning to impose her culture or religion outside their boundaries. It was an Igbo army officer again that officially and finally blocked all hopes for referendum by promulgating the Anti-secession Decree after crushing the attempt of Isaac Adaka Boro to pull his Ijaw people out of Nigeria to form a separate country.
These are hard facts of history. Though you might want to argue that those are past events and that times have changed but you should wonder why Igbos are till today as arrogant as ever, hateful of the Niger Deltans, respond with insults to dissenting opinion from any Niger Deltan, call them Fulani slaves for merely taking exception to Nnamdi Kanu's crude and uncivilized methods of seeking secession and his rewriting of history and including your Warri area in Biafra maps without consulting anybody in Warri, etc. All these should be evidences for you that Igbos are never genuinely seeking a breakaway Biafra where the non-Igbos will be treated as citizens with equal rights and justice.

Captain8:
the core nigerians are wazobians...
WAZOBIA tribe own nigeria...any other tribe is a settler

By the extention of your logic we can therefore conclude that the core Wazobians are the Fulanis and they really own Nigeria as they claim while the rest Wazobians are settlers too. So why do you fret about Fulani domination?