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Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m): 2:20pm On Aug 10, 2021
9jaRealist:
Btw, James Ibori (and there are many others) did NOT have to go to Abuja to LOOT massively…
The notion that “resource control” (so-called, instead of loot reallocation) would magically increase accountability is delusional.
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Can you compare what Ibori looted in Delta with that looted in Abuja by the likes of Diezani, Dasuki, Dokpesi, together with all the largesse shared by the Jonathan presidency in the build up to 2015 election? Can any individual state governor afford to bribe his state's house of assembly with the quantum of cash that Obasanjo deployed for his third term agenda pursuit?
And mind you that the looting in Abuja is sustained by the continued flow of crude oil revenues. Once this alternative energy thing becomes a full reality and crude oil revenue becomes nearly zero, will the FG force the non-crude oil producing states to hand over to the center the revenues they will be generating through taxation of their state residents, harnessing of their other local natural and human resources?
It is under unitary system that accountability is delusional hence the absence of it right now under this present structure.
Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 6:56am On Aug 09, 2021
lexy2014:
Oga, u haven't answered anything. It's obvious that u have even lost track of what am asking. The focus is on What makes Tinubu qualified to be d next president of Nigeria based on his stewardship between 1999-2007.

Which other governor contemporary of his made such record? Can you mention just one?
what record are u referring to? how does increasing revenue in lagos make tinubu best governor in nigeria between 1999-2007?


Then you obviously need a refresher course on GDP per capita.

this is what i asked u. do u see any enquiry about GDP in d questions?: If u are comparing d IGR of Lagos state with all other 35states, pls what is d population of d other 35states compared to Lagos? what was d greatest resource in Lagos state under Tinubu?


Do I need to go futher to tell you that some of his contemporary governors owed salaries despite receiving federal allocations steadily while Tinubu owed no salary despite having a far larger civil service than them all amidst seizure of allocation throughout his second term? Can you mention just one other governor that started an enduring transportation scheme in or any of the other projects I have listed before I give you more? Can you even specifically mention one of these your other governors and what they achieved with their so-called lesser revenues rather than just keep making generalizations and blank assertions?

are u trying to tell me that between 1999-2007, Tinubu was d only governor out of 36 that paid salaries? if he improved IGR from 500m to 11billion and all u can mention is paying salaries and BRT, then u have no other achievement to mention. by d way, is starting transportation system d criteria for all governors? and when u say "enduring transportation scheme", enduring in what way?

You have obviously chosen not to see them despite my enumeration of them. So I may not be able to force you to acknowledge them.
what did u "enumerate" that i didnt see? if i didnt see it, then u obviously didnt enumerate anything


Can you tell us a bit about these your other "better" state governors of Tinubu era, their "better" achievements and how successful their successors were?


what has "better state governors of Tinubu era" got to do with d question i asked? u made a claim that Tinubu is d "pioneer of the new Lagos". how does ur question about better state governors in tinubu era relate to ur claim and my question about it?

pls read my question again: which "new lagos"? what of d "old lagos"? whats d difference? did lagos start with Tinubu? what has d continuation by his successors got to do with him being d most qualified nigerian to be president of nigeria?


Then you clearly don't know the danger of social injustice to a society and why the fight against it qualified the likes of Mandela, Abraham Lincoln and many others as good leaders despite their individual imperfections.

Pls tell me d danger of social injustice to a society. What has creating LCDAs in Lagos by Tinubu done to qualify him to be president of Nigeria?

You obviously think governance is all about only economic policies let alone know what democratic ideals are and the relationship between it and political stability which in turn affects economic development.

since u are so knowledgeable about governance not just being about "economic policies and u know what democratic ideals are and the relationship between it and political stability which in turn affects economic development", then answering my question shouldnt have been a challenge for u.

so what are democratic ideals and its relationship with political stability which in turn affects economic development? mind u: how did this affect his ability to govern?
Oga, you are just playing the devil's advocate hence You simply lost track by repeating the questions over and over again. Unfortunately your likes would argue that Obasanjo, Yaradua and Jonathan were qualified for president without recourse to explaining what qualified them. Yaradua was Tinubu's contemporary. What qualified him for president that doesn't qualify Tinubu? Tell us Yaradua's achievements assuming you ever heard about him before Obasanjo brought him out and your likes endorsed him.
Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 4:09am On Aug 09, 2021
lexy2014:
Which other governor contemporary of his made such record? Can you mention just one?
what record are u referring to? how does increasing revenue in lagos make tinubu best governor in nigeria between 1999-2007?


Then you obviously need a refresher course on GDP per capita.

this is what i asked u. do u see any enquiry about GDP in d questions?: If u are comparing d IGR of Lagos state with all other 35states, pls what is d population of d other 35states compared to Lagos? what was d greatest resource in Lagos state under Tinubu?


Do I need to go futher to tell you that some of his contemporary governors owed salaries despite receiving federal allocations steadily while Tinubu owed no salary despite having a far larger civil service than them all amidst seizure of allocation throughout his second term? Can you mention just one other governor that started an enduring transportation scheme in or any of the other projects I have listed before I give you more? Can you even specifically mention one of these your other governors and what they achieved with their so-called lesser revenues rather than just keep making generalizations and blank assertions?

are u trying to tell me that between 1999-2007, Tinubu was d only governor out of 36 that paid salaries? if he improved IGR from 500m to 11billion and all u can mention is paying salaries and BRT, then u have no other achievement to mention. by d way, is starting transportation system d criteria for all governors? and when u say "enduring transportation scheme", enduring in what way?

You have obviously chosen not to see them despite my enumeration of them. So I may not be able to force you to acknowledge them.
what did u "enumerate" that i didnt see? if i didnt see it, then u obviously didnt enumerate anything


Can you tell us a bit about these your other "better" state governors of Tinubu era, their "better" achievements and how successful their successors were?
what has "better state governors of Tinubu era" got to do with d question i asked? u made a claim that Tinubu is d "pioneer of the new Lagos". how does ur question about better state governors in tinubu era relate to ur claim and my question about it?

pls read my question again: which "new lagos"? what of d "old lagos"? whats d difference? did lagos start with Tinubu? what has d continuation by his successors got to do with him being d most qualified nigerian to be president of nigeria?



Then you clearly don't know the danger of social injustice to a society and why the fight against it qualified the likes of Mandela, Abraham Lincoln and many others as good leaders despite their individual imperfections.

Pls tell me d danger of social injustice to a society. What has creating LCDAs in Lagos by Tinubu done to qualify him to be president of Nigeria?

You obviously think governance is all about only economic policies let alone know what democratic ideals are and the relationship between it and political stability which in turn affects economic development.

since u are so knowledgeable about governance not just being about "economic policies and u know what democratic ideals are and the relationship between it and political stability which in turn affects economic development", then answering my question shouldnt have been a challenge for u.

so what are democratic ideals and its relationship with political stability which in turn affects economic development? mind u: how did this affect his ability to govern?
You are only repeating the questions I have answered you without answering mine. Like I said name the other governors and tell us what exactly each of them did better than Tinubu and how much accrued to them for which Tinubu got far more relative to population of their states. The ball is now in your court.
Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 1:18am On Aug 09, 2021
lexy2014:
[/quote]How does this now make him the best governor between 1999-2007?

Which other governor contemporary of his made such record? Can you mention just one?




I dont see how that answers my question: If u are comparing d IGR of Lagos state with all other 35states, pls what is d population of d other 35states compared to Lagos? what was d greatest resource in Lagos state under Tinubu?

Then you obviously need a refresher course on GDP per capita.




U were boasting of how IGR increased from 600m to 11billion yet u cant really tell me what d said IGR used to achieve during 1999-2007? is it these things u mentioned that any other state governor couldnt do with lesser IGR?
Do I need to go futher to tell you that some of his contemporary governors owed salaries despite receiving federal allocations steadily while Tinubu owed no salary despite having a far larger civil service than them all amidst seizure of allocation throughout his second term? Can you mention just one other governor that started an enduring transportation scheme in or any of the other projects I have listed before I give you more? Can you even specifically mention one of these your other governors and what they achieved with their so-called lesser revenues rather than just keep making generalizations and blank assertions?


what legacy are you referring to?
You have obviously chosen not to see them despite my enumeration of them. So I may not be able to force you to acknowledge them.



which "new lagos"? what of d "old lagos"? whats d difference? did lagos start with Tinubu? what has d continuation by his successors got to do with him being d most qualified nigerian to be president of nigeria?
Can you tell us a bit about these your other "better" state governors of Tinubu era, their "better" achievements and how successful their successors were?


i clearly dont see how that answers this question: What has creating LCDAs in Lagos by Tinubu done to qualify him to be president of Nigeria?

Then you clearly don't know the danger of social injustice to a society and why the fight against it qualified the likes of Mandela, Abraham Lincoln and many others as good leaders despite their individual imperfections.


how did this affect his ability to govern?
You obviously think governance is all about only economic policies let alone know what democratic ideals are and the relationship between it and political stability which in turn affects economic development.
Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 12:53am On Aug 09, 2021
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Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m):
lexy2014:
So what and what did tinubu do between 1999-2007 that made whoever rate him as d best governor in Nigeria during d period?
Tinubu met Lagos IGR at N600m neighborhood and at the end of his tenure it had become N11bn or so through the capture of more Lagosians into the tax net. In doing so he was resisted by M.A.N. and lots of other interest groups which took him to court over it and lost to him. That opened the eyes of many other state governors to the potentials which taxation holds as regards revenue generation and they followed suit without any fear of litigation. Now, with the growing awareness about the role of taxation in stimulating a constant demand for accountability by the governed and the resulting responsible governance it engenders, Tinubu's exclusive contribution to nation building is clearly evident.

lexy2014:
If u are comparing d IGR of Lagos state with all other 35states, pls what is d population of d other 35states compared to Lagos?
If you divide the IGR of Lagos by her population, the figure you get is higher than that which you get when you divide most other states' IGR with their respective populations. This translates to Lagos State having a higher GDP per capita by some standard meaning that Lagos has harnessed its IGR potentials more than most other state so your population angle of view doesn't cut the argument.
lexy2014:
What was d said IGR used to achieve during 1999-2007?
The IGR only reached impactful levels after the litigations were over and that was towards the end of his first tenure hence the time frame of your question should have been 2003 to 2007. That notwithstanding, most of the revenue from the IGR had to be immediately deployed for the payment of Lagos civil servants salaries which was to have been affected by the withheld federal allocation. But in spite of that he was able to kickstart BRT scheme for which he produced over 100 buses for a start off amidst the expansion of the state's civil service through the reactivation of LASTMA, LAWMA, and the construction of some strategic roads. Remember the issue of him attending to numerous state roads while erecting on federal roads signposts reading "Sorry, this is a federal Road"? You want more?

lexy2014:
U are mentioning 5years ago. Was tinubu governor 5years ago?
I believe you saw the word "legacy" in that response of mine?

lexy2014:
What is d tinubu legacy u are referring to? Kindly shed more light.
In simplest terms and summary, it is all about his pioneership of the new Lagos dream and the continuation of it by his successors.
lexy2014:
What has creating LCDAs in Lagos by Tinubu done to qualify him to be president of Nigeria?
Recall that he started out by creating those entities as fully fledged Local Government Areas only for the Supreme Court to reduce them to LCDAs after giving him victory over OBJ-led FG. We all know that the social injustices which has led to the emergence of ethnic militia is the inequitable allocation of revenue premised on arbitrary creation of LGAs by the military. Even you yourself know this. Tinubu's creation of LGAs in Lagos
was therefore a gesture and public statement that the injustice is not irreversible.
lexy2014:
What are Tinubus weaknesses that u are referring to?
In my own eyes, it was his decision to lead the AC into Yaradua's proposed GNU back then. Save for the resistance by Bisi Akande, Lai Mohammed and Tom Ikhimi, Nigeria would have through such myopic decision of his become a one-party state by now.
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m): 6:28pm On Aug 08, 2021
Penguin2:
Ever heard of the Tyranny of the Majority?

We have a majority of the Nigerian populace who are not informed nor quite educated.

It will be a Herculean task trying to explain to this people how Moghalu for instance was a former deputy governor of the Central Bank and has better manifesto on what can work for Nigeria while Buhari can’t find the NEPA Bill we asked him to bring in place of certificate or how Atiku is just another crook who contributed in the mess Nigeria finds itself now.

There’s something called psychology of Association. The greater percentage of these guys are already associated with APC and PDP so that what you can do as an informed member of the society is to help shepherd them towards the party with the lesser evil as a candidate.

Do you know the amount of money it would take to run television ads, radio jingles, road shows and rallies that would inform the entire population of voters nationwide that there’s a certain YDP and what its logo looks like? Does Moghalu or his party have such money?

Go to the rural areas of Nsukka in Enugu, Abakaliki in Ebonyi, Bichi in Kano, Ogbomoso in Oyo, ask the rural dwellers there how many parties are in Nigeria and know how many of them know anything beyond APC and PDP.
You have some point Anyway. But what of a state like Anambra where they consistently reject these two big parties for APGA which throws up candidates from the corporate sector? Aren't there rural areas in that state? What of Edo State where majority ditched the big two (PDP and ANPP) and opted for a relatively unknown AC back then all due to Oshiomhole's labour activism credentials and quality of his campaigns as at that moment in time? What of Ondo State where they opted for Olusegun Mimiko on account of his track record despite he didn't emerge through either PDP or ANPP? The victory of David Lyon in Bayelsa which was annuled by the Supreme Court was based on his personality than on his party. With these examples you can easily deduce that at state level Nigerians could do away with sentiments and vote based on issues but once it gets to presidential election they give up issues for ethnoreligious and primordial sentiments. Why?
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m): 5:59pm On Aug 08, 2021
Penguin2:
Lol! The way you just opened my eyes about resource control eh, it just seems that resource control is the only thing we need to do to set everything else aright.

Because when poor states start to seek way to generate revenue from every possible way, it will increase production.

No illiterate would wanna become a governor since it will no longer be a funny venture.

Taxation will be enthroned. And with taxation will come more demand for accountability from taxpayers.

There will be no more subsidy which will increase foreign direct investment because investors know they will be selling their services for the price it’s worth.

No region, especially poor ones, will be agitating for state creation anymore especially when they have seen that existing ones are having it tough.

Seems Resource Control is the answer to 70 percent of Nigeria’s problem.

Thank you for opening my eyes further on the discourse.

We will ensure its implementation. If not today, then tomorrow.
Thanks for the acknowledgement. I actually don't frequently discuss Nigeria's problems because most analysts don't seem to understand that all the ills of Nigeria, be it insecurity, poor healthcare delivery, unemployment, electoral malpractices, tribalism, nepotism, favouritism, unbridled corruption, terrorism, political thuggery, etc are all fundamentally connected to the faulty centripetal structure we operate. All governments from 1999 till the present one have failed mostly due to the fact that each of them tried to treat selected national challenges in isolation of others whereas only a holistic approach which only resource control guarantees will address most of these challenges organically and systematically.
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m):
9jaRealist:
So-called “resource control” is NOT substantive restructuring…
Unless you merely mean restructuring the LOOTING from Abuja to state capitals.
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It is quite funny that you isolated resource control from all other elements of restructuring I mentioned e.g. LCDAs among other Lagos State centripetal policies I hinted at.
Secondly, the massive looting at Abuja is actually made possible by the presence there of a huge centralized purse courtesy of the current system. But on the contrary, resource control will actually reduce looting considering the fact that what will be available at each state will be at an average of one thirty sixth of what you presently have concentrated in Abuja so there will be less available to loot. Moreover, resource control will awaken the residents of all states to their responsibility of constantly demanding accountably from their governors and commissioners as the revenues in their states will come from their own sweat rather than as manna from Abuja. With resource control a lot of non-viable local government areas especially in the North will collapse and falsification of census figures will become unnecessary hence die a natural death. All these endless agitation for creation of more states will end once it becomes a law that each state will run her own affairs with funds generated from within her domains hence it will no longer be an issue of social injustice for the North to have 19 states against the South's 17 and that is if some Northern States don't collapse into others. Then with a leaner central purse courtesy of resource control, the federal government will be forced to stop contemplating crazy and wasteful policies like amnesty package for militans, bandits and terrorists; sponsoring of religious pilgrimages; tradermoni largesse; subsidy payments for importation of refined petroleum products and edibles like rice, chicken, and others; there will no longer enough funds to sustain the jumbo allowance of senators and representatives thus politics will become unattractive to political investors and therefore become a venture for accomplished veterans in different fields who will bring their professional experiences to bear on legislative business. Each state government will have no option than to look inwards into untapped resources in their respective states. Political investors will therefore be forced to invest in the real sector to the effect of stimulating productivity towards diversification thus reversing our net importer situation which is responsible for the ever falling value of the Naira to all other world currencies. All this will birth a new socio-economic order where every pay is earned as against the current one which encourages entitlement mentality, rent seeking, laziness, political thuggery, propensity towards TV shows like BB Naija, etc.
Positions like yours over this resource control question usually come from people who don't see the bigger picture.
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m):
Penguin2:
You are right!

But would you blame us? Imagine choosing to vote Moghalu in the last election, that would only but widen the victory prospects of APC or whichever party in power who would always deploy all arsenal of government to rig themselves to power.

Imagine where results of parties that have their agents at the polling unit is rewritten, how much more a party without an agent at the polling unit.

Another huge factor is ethno-religious sentiments of voters with large chunk of these voters coming from illiterate north, don’t blame parties who choose candidates who appeal to their emotions rather than their brains.

Forget, our problem multi-faceted.
If everyone or at least majority vote based on issues, would there be any fear of widening the APC victory gap through voting for Moghalu?
Even the blame about the party rigging machinery you talk about still falls back on the followership because it is not the politicians of the parties that come out to do rigging but the voters themselves in exchange for gifts. Have you ever seen a politician carry a gun to disrupt voting in any election?
We have had examples in some states where voters took a principled stance against rigging by the party in power and succeed. Why can't Nigerians do so across all states of the federation for an obviously potentially good candidate if they sincerely desire a more result-oriented government?
I would disagree with your postulation that Northerners are more responsible for voting based on ethnoreligious sentiments than the South because in 1999 the SE and my own SS gave a combined higher percentage total votes on state by state basis to Obasanjo who was himself the candidate presented by the supposedly illiterate North and presented no manifesto, over the Falae who was the candidate of one of the regions of the more educated South and had a pragmatic manifesto. Then in 2003, Ojukwu, a long time graduate of the prestigious Oxford University and who was armed with the best and most practically realistic manifesto, couldn't even get convincingly voted by his own equally well educated South Eastern brothers let alone other regions. His attempt again in 2007 had the same outcome. So ethnoreligious and primordial sentiments are a general Nigerian disease regardless of level of literacy.
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m): 5:51am On Aug 08, 2021
yanabasee1:
We do... But because of the rot in the system... Nobody's willing to step on toes to set things right...

There are people holding Buhari on his balls that he can't dare them... There are people that the Vice president is loyal to, who gave him the privilege to become what he is today and so he wouldn't dare them...

We just need someone that will be bold enough to restructure this country....


I am not a fan of Tinubu, but I believe that if he becomes the pre6today... he will restructure this country... so that he'd be able to have control of the SW...
Is the duty of restructuring really that of the president or the national assembly? While a Tinubu presidency might be more positively disposed to restructuring given his stance as Lagos governor as regards creation of LCDAs and his being the only non-Southsouth governor that used to attend the Southsouth governors meetings to agitate for resource control, I however doubt any hope of a restructured Nigeria becoming a reality in his reign as long as Northerners remain the majority in the national assembly. Even the legislators from Benue State will likely vote against a restructuring bill. Forget about all these anti-core North posturing by Ortom and some other Middle Beltern politicians. Their water always finds its level back to the same core-North whenever push comes to shove.
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m):
Penguin2:
Exactly!

The argument of low taxation has largely been defeated by the new tax regime of 7.5 VAT on wide variety of transactions no matter how many times you carry it out.

You would be surprised at the figures they make every day but yet nothing.

Nigeria’s problem is leadership. We’ve not had a leader with brain.
Nigeria's problem is followership because there is no election season that doesn't feature a potentially good leader with a good track record, but voters would normally not look the way of such but prefer the obviously empty one. Imagine Shagari winning an election in which Awolowo contested. Also imagine Yaradua winning an election in which Pat Utomi contested. Imagine Obasanjo winning an election in which Olu Falae contested. Then imagine Buhari winning an election in which some other better candidates (not Atiku) contested. All these choices are based on ethnoreligious sentiments of voters who ignore the candidates that have the training and skills to transform the economy, but ironically the same voters turn around to expect good governance and economic improvement after voting based on ethnicity and religion. Does that make sense? You think APC couldn't have fielded Fashola in 2015 if they were sure Nigerians would actually vote entirely based on issues and track record without any recourse to zoning and religious considerations? In fact with Fashola's administrative wizzadry and success in Lagos making him a sellable president material, ACN wouldn't have ever gone into a merger with CPC to give birth to APC if Nigerians had had any records of voting purely on policy issues and genuine performance records.
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m): 5:22am On Aug 08, 2021
Govocrete:
Nigeria politician promises ends up on their posters and recorded speeches.

Since Alhaji Shagari didn't complete his tenure, we can excuse him from the evil our leaders past and present deliver to us
So a man who spent full four years and three months in power and his administration recorded massive looting and recession could be excused?
Politics › Re: Shehu Shagari's 1983 Election Campaign Advert (Throwback Photo) by Deadlytruth(m): 5:18am On Aug 08, 2021
UncleKoboko:
Anyone who ever votes for AWUSA-FOOL ANI again will never know peace!
As if southerners who have led Nigeria are any better. Mind you that Shagari government was put in place by a Southerner Obasanjo who some indomie generation youths call their hero.
Politics › Re: Azikiwe's Strong Opposition To Seccesion ~1975. by Deadlytruth(m): 8:04am On Aug 06, 2021
AntiBMC:
At the tym, Zik thought he was doing what was best for everyone just like the present southern leaders are doing now for selfish interests.
Wrong! Zik read Anthropology from the prestigious Lincoln University, Pennsylvania, USA and by virtue of the course content he knew better than every of his contemporaries that there was no basis for a tightly bound union defined by the absence of freedom to secede in an ethnically heterogeneous country with opposing cultures and value systems. Also, while schooling in the US he saw with his own eyes that the country wasn't a tightly bound union hence made tremendous progress onto being a world power on account of that structure. So cut this crap of manufacturing excuses for Zik's dubious one-Nigeria dream which was nothing other than a subterfuge for his Igbo domination agenda that ended up boomeranging on you his brothers with deadly consequences.

AntiBMC:
Zik did that no kidding, but he never asked ur fulani kinsmen to start killing pple and taking their lands to forward their expansionist agenda. Ur own ancestor Dan fodio did that.
All expansionist projects go with bloodshed whether directed or not. Didn't Zik's brothers later go on a killing spree of all other tribes in the name of Jan15 1966 so-called revolution?

AntiBMC:
If Zik had envisaged that the fulanis will be going on killing sprees, he wouldn't have tried to stop d incorporation of the secession clause.
Don't tell me you are this much of a comedian. Are you suggesting that Zik wasn't aware of the massacre of thousands of his kinsmen in Jos in 1945 in Kano again in 1953 while he was opposing secession clause in 1954?


AntiBMC:
Times have changed now...and we are under different circumstances... so the secession must happen whether you like it or not. Cos if pple stay, fulani will still kill them...so they better die trying.
No time has changed except you want to be economical with the truth. Killings had always been in Nigeria since amalgamation. I just gave you two instances now. Even right during Ironsi's government there was massive killing of Igbos in the North yet he and Zik continued to fantasize a non-existent national unity to the extent of Ironsi promulgating Unification and Anti-secession Decrees and using federal military might to crush Isaac Boro's secession attempt. What made you Igbos change tune to secession agitation wasn't the killings of your brothers in the North but the ousting of Ironsi from power and the total foreclosure of the hope of Igbos ever ruling again.

AntiBMC:
The stv,pid Britain, we all know are manipulative dem0ns who do not give a hoot about black lives, what they care about is that their big marketplace place - Nigeria doesn't break up.
Britain's resistance to secession was aided by Azikiwe's moral support. All the British needed to criminalize secession was just a one dissenting region to the idea and they found that in the Eastern Region represented by Azikiwe. Six years after Britain's departure, Aguiyi Ironsi another Easterner promulgated Anti-secession Decree and got Isaac Adaka Boro sentenced to death by hanging for attempting secession, and you keep on blaming Britain? Was Aguiyi Ironsi a British man?

AntiBMC:
After all they have grown used to all d free money they milk from us. They supported secession to be treasonous then...but even they themselves just recently seceded from the EU. Isn't that the highest form of hypocrisy?
But didn't they give you an opportunity to debate secession clause and your kinsmen led by Azikiwe killed it on the floor of the parliament?

AntiBMC:
They did so without any bloodshed... while we as Africans continue to kill each other like animals in a jungle. This d reason dese white pple will continue to sit on our heads...cos we lack d capacity to do things intelligently. Thanks to ur super daddy in Aso Rock...let's not forget Dan fodio too.
Theirs was without bloodshed because they allowed it in their constitution unlike ours where the likes of your very kinsmen made sure it didn't make it into our laws just because you felt such a provision would hinder your domination agenda.
Politics › Re: Azikiwe's Strong Opposition To Seccesion ~1975. by Deadlytruth(m): 7:25am On Aug 06, 2021
gidgiddy:
Nigeria is a truly funny country. It is one where those who did worse, blame those who did better. A typical example is Buhari, who has performed far worse than Goodluck Jonathan in 6 years, but will always blame Jonathan

They say that Awolowo, even Ahmadu Bello, wanted secession clause put in the constitution, but Zik opposed it, and as a result, it was not part of the constitution

Lets assume this is all true. What later happened? When Igbos seceded, the same Awolowo became a disciple of "one Nigeria"

The same man who they say was passionate about putting secession clause in the constitution, became the chief of "one Nigeria forever" under Gowon during the war.

With the benefit of hindsight, we now know that Awolowo was not a consistent man, he wanted secession clause today, and didnt want to hear anything secession later.

So why use Awolowo, a typical politician who shifts the goal post when it suits him, as an example?

Had Awolowo been a principled man who felt that every region should have the right to secede, as they say he canvassed for, he would have had no business serving under Gowon to destroy Biafra

Awolowo was a hypocrite when it comes to secession
Awolowo wanted a peaceful and bloodless secession through referendum backed by law while Ojukwu launched a secession through a violent means that was sure to be accompanied by bloodshed. So exactly how was Awolowo a hypocrite for not keying into the violent and bloody method of Ojukwu?
Moreover, at the beginning of the Biafran secession project Ojukwu gave Zik a top position in which Zik was calling the shots in Biafra - the same Zik who had all before then sabotaged all Awolowo's efforts to make a case for secession. Now, put yourself in Awolowo's shoes and honestly ask yourself if you would agree to work in a secession project right under the supervision of a man who had been sabotaging your own efforts towards the same secession to the extent that he caused the colonial authorities to threaten you with charges of treason for pushing for the same secession earlier on.
Thirdly, Ojukwu was the inconsistent fellow because he himself had initially attacked Isaac Adaka Boro for trying to pull out of Nigeria, killed over 150 of his soldiers and forced him back to one-Nigeria with federal military might only for him (that same Ojukwu) to declare secession and expecting Isaac Boro to support him. Were you expecting Awolowo to believe that such a character was trustworthy and reliable for a joint secession bid?
Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 11:43am On Aug 04, 2021
lexy2014:
Which governance did we have in Lagos while tinubu was governor that is better than any other state?
Tinubu, as Lagos State governor, was denied federal allocation by Obasanjo for years yet he was rated the best performing governor above his 35 other colleagues who were receiving federal allocations steadily. Lagos IGR is five times the average of all the other 35 states but the spate of infrastructural works in Lagos is up to 15 times faster than that in any other state. I recently returned to Lagos after relocating temporarily back home some five years ago and I was shocked to see that nearly all the inner roads in my area have been covered and streetlights erected in all of them. Same in many other areas I have been to so far since my return. That is Tinubu's legacy. He might not be perfect but I am yet to see a convincingly better politician than him. In my state we have been begging each successive governor to create LCDAs in order to walk their talk of bringing government closer to the grassroots all to no avail, but this is what Tinubu did for Lagosians with the speed of light and stood his grounds against the FG's deprecation and persecution.
Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 11:12am On Aug 04, 2021
LegendaryArnold:
When did he become a senator?
He was the duly elected Senator of Lagos West Senatorial District in the 1992 Federal elections between the SDP and NRC. He flew the SDP flag and defeated his NRC rival.
Politics › Re: 'Vote Tinubu For President' - Taraba APC (Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 11:01am On Aug 04, 2021
Maxwell4404:
Na to kill all this big men remain, make we start afresh again Abeg
The Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu crew tried your idea on January 15 1966 and till today (i.e 55 years thereafter) we have been reeling hopelessly in the doldrums such idea landed us. That it worked in Ghana by Jerry Rawlings doesn't mean it would work in Nigeria which is far more socially and ethnically diverse and complex than Ghana. As long as we have chosen democracy, we must never seek any undemocratic means to change government lest we degenerate into anarchy and another avoidable civil war and its attendant gory tales.
Culture › Re: Why Do Edo People Speak Yoruba? by Deadlytruth(m): 5:35am On Aug 04, 2021
YungMillionaire:
Akoko Edo is an extension of Ondo state. Stop fooling yourselves. Yoruba language is the main language in Akoko Edo. I used to go there for a project so I know what I am talking about.
Sorry, you don't know what you are talking about. Your visit to the place was not the type that afforded you the opportunity and time to reside there long enough to observe and study the natives and their culture and origins critically.
Those you heard speaking Yoruba there are either Yoruba visitors like you or Yorubas who are reside there for livelihood.
How can an assortment of totally different ethnicities with mutually unintelligible languages and totally dissimilar cultures all be an extension of Ondo State?
Politics › Re: South-West Governors Propose Supreme Courts For Geopolitical Zones by Deadlytruth(m):
WibusJaga:
It's always a challenge for SS to come together as one because of so many ethnic nationalities within.
I don't think it is due to their ethnic plurality. It is more of the fact that their governors are mostly directionless and the natives themselves are always too preoccupied with Hausafulani domination accusations. When their own son Jonathan was in power there were countless solidarity visits to him by different SS groups and none of those visits was about reminding Jonathan the need to sponsor a bill for the resource control they had been mouthing prior to Jonathan's presidency. All they concerned themselves with was how and why Jonathan must be allowed to complete his two terms in order to balance the power equation as if that was more important than the need to use that opportunity to once and for all address the resource control question.
Politics › Re: Fred Nwabufo: Why The South-East Voted For Obasanjo Against Ojukwu In 2003 by Deadlytruth(m): 11:57am On Aug 01, 2021
aminulive:
POLITICSNIGERIA.COM


https://politicsnigeria.com/in-2003-south-east-voted-for-obasanjo-against-ojukwu/
This is the whole truth. Igbos started selling out to the Hausafulanis/Caliphate Establishment right from independence till 2015... a 55 year old history of sell out and self subjugation to slavery...but how the average Igbo person derives the courage to always come out and label other tribes as Fulani slaves is what remains a puzzle to me against these background facts of history.
Politics › Re: They Are Dreaming - Clark On IPOB’s Inclusion Of South-South In Biafra by Deadlytruth(m): 11:40am On Aug 01, 2021
Tonitoniton:
What is restructuring and greater devolution of power when every body knows that will not be possible with fulani?

Akwa ibom state has gone to present their request to United nation for an ibom state last month, are u not aware of it?

Some group in the south want a Niger delta nation, are u not aware? The list is endless.

So long as this old greedy and selfish politicians and so called elder state men are still around, south and Nigeria at large will continue in circle except better leaders rises up now to take their places.

On the talk of oil sells, it is not restricted to the wazobias cos I know many south south that are in it too. It is supposed to be opened but Buhari has now made a fulani business, they can only allow any other tribe if they will have a large share of any deal they make.

While the oil wells still remain fulanis.


I am speaking out now cos I dont want to be an accomplice when posterity come calling in the future.



Let me give u an example of the state of the country now, I dont care whether u are fulani or not": 3 months ago, i was coming from kontagora to minna in a public vehicle, a custome officer stopped us at the end of a town called Tegina, he peeped into the vehicle and asked me if we have met before several times but i said no. He then asked me where am from, i said delta state, he then asked the guy sitting beside me where he is from, the guy said enugu ( I earnestly didnt know he is from Enugu cos he looked like hausa). The custome officer who is Niger man from his look and ascent started accusing our driver how come he is carrying southern people in his vehicle. Because I knew what will follow, I just interjected, ONE NIGERIA NIII. He then responded, one Nigeria!!! I said yes, he became happy and asked me to chop knuckle before he will allow us to go, if not, some thing else would have happened. This just one case.

The north sees all southerners and even middle as the same, slaves. Why the south see them as innocent and harmless. Gullible!
All these you stated above came into being as a result of the unrealistic and delusional One-Nigeria philosophy invented and wholly nurtured by none other than Igbos. I, for one, no longer blame Northerners for anything concerning the Nigerian tragedy. I used to do so when I was a lot younger (in my secondary school and university days until I got to my final year in the university). In fact back then I had assumed that Hausafulanis were responsible for all that is wrong with Nigeria until my final year days in the university when I completed my project research two months earlier than the deadline, and used the free time to read deeply about Nigeria's political history in the reference section of my school's library. It was then I painfully realized that I had been a prejudiced ignoramus as regards the Nigerian failure and tragedy. I was shocked to read in several books authored by even southerners, including Igbos that, "one-Nigeria" philosophy came not from Hausafulanis but from Igbos, and that Fulanis weren't ever really interested in being part of Nigeria but got armtwisted into it by Igbo political elite of those times chief among whom were Azikiwe and Michael Okpara. It also dawned rudely on me in those researches that we started with a very good structure of federalism and resource control and that Hausafulanis were the strongest advocates of the retention of that strictly federal system we started with and hated any suggestion of experimenting with this unitary system, but that the Igbo political elite were the ones who always argued that federalism was promoting tribalism over nationalism spirit hence found a way to dismantle it and introduce military rule which all resulted in the dog eat dog situation we have in Nigeria today. Let me end this by shocking you with the fact that Ahmadu Bello so much believed in having every region minding her business that he, in addition to publicly declaring that as Premier of the Northern Region he will fund the development of the North only with revenues from Agriculture and solid minerals deposits found in the region; he never campaigned to the South in any of the elections held in Nigeria while he was alive. So Igbos put us in the mess you and I complain of today because of their incurable greed and domination agenda.
Crime › Re: Adebayo Kingsley Kills Rosemary Ifeoma, Rapes Her Corpse In Edo by Deadlytruth(m): 8:39am On Aug 01, 2021
pacespot:
Thanks for this expose, I didn't mean to denigrate the people from that place, I can boastfully say they are really nice people during my short stay there. I did my SSCE WAEC there, you know that their special center smiley ? They are really good people, very accommodating to the visitors. Even before then, me and my dad used to drive to buy stuff from the food market at the other side of akoko-edo which is in the Ondo State. I was of the opinion that ebira people settle there since I saw a lot of them there mostly engaged in farming. I didn't even know that Ebiras are not Yoruba's since they are so close and also bear Yoruba's names, but I know them to have come from kogi state. My opinion of akoko-edo being a remote place is born out of the fact that you cannot get there in a public transport except you hire a bike due to the natue of their roads.
The inaccessibility of certain parts of Akoko-Edo is mostly due to the topography of the area generally. Most of the towns and villages are tucked within the rocky hills except for few of them like Igarra, Ibillo, Ikpeshi, Sasaro, Ugboshi-Afe, Uneme-Nekhua and Egbigere which are located on the underlying westward plains hence easily accessible by cars due to being located along the Ibillo-Auchi federal highway which is though quite dilapidated now and in need of attention. On the other hand places like Ogbe, Ososo, Somorika, Kakumo, Ojirami, Uneme-Osu, Ojah, Makeke, Dangbala, etc which are located right within the rocky hills are only reachable on foot, bicycles and motorbikes with the exception of Ososo, Uneme Osu Ojah and Dangbala which now enjoy a standard link road constructed through them by the Oshiomhole administration. For the rest towns and villages; construction of roads through them will take a future state government sincerely committed to the development of the tourism potentials of the area because a lot of the giant boulders all over the terrains would need to be shifted, uprooted or crushed before any meaningful access roads could be constructed. Below is an appearance of the rocky hills. If you were told that there is a village right within the highest point you see in the picture, you would doubt it, but it is true.

Per the special center thing; yes it used to be but it became history courtesy of Oshiomhole's education reforms in the state.

Politics › Re: Fred Nwabufo: Why The South-East Voted For Obasanjo Against Ojukwu In 2003 by Deadlytruth(m): 10:57pm On Jul 31, 2021
Newton85:
Infact, if it wasn't for the South South States, Abiola would have lost to Bashir Tofa in 1993. Left to Igbos, Abiola would automatically lose.
Not even all South South states. Tofa trounced Abiola in Old Rivers which is now Rivers and Bayelsa. I think Same happened in Akwa Ibom. Only Edo, Delta and Cross River gave Abiola victory in the SS
Education › Re: The Government Didn't Ban History In Schools by Deadlytruth(m): 3:12am On Jul 29, 2021
wellmax:
Can you back up this claim with facts?

This is how fake news is spread, someone just conjures a lie, types it n SM, no facts, no evidence, just vibes.
That monicker you quoted is actually correct. Obasanjo technically expunged History from our curriculum but the present government restored it. Details below:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ripplesnigeria.com/buhari-revokes-obasanjos-policy-returns-history-to-schools-curriculum/%3famp
Crime › Re: Adebayo Kingsley Kills Rosemary Ifeoma, Rapes Her Corpse In Edo by Deadlytruth(m):
pacespot:
That akoko-edo, that place is a very remote village linking Ondo and Edo states, I was once there, most of the people there are ebira people of Yoruba, very remote people until they travelled down to the civilized parts of the South West. Maybe I will read more about the ebira people, I know that they are mostly from kogi state but about their ancestral link to Yoruba's.


Look at this animal sad
First and foremost, Akoko-Edo is the name of a Local Government Area with 48 settlements. The indegenous tribes there are Etuno, Okpameri, Uneme, Ososo, Okpe. All the Ebiras and Yorubas you saw there are migrants. While the Ebiras there mostly engage in farming especially in the Okpameri areas and on lands leased to them by the natives, the Yorubas there are attracted to the place by the transportation hub potentials of Ibillo most especially since it is a nodal town from which you can easily get passengers of destinations in all directions be it Akure-Ibadan-Lagos axis, Igarra-Auchi-Benin City axis, and Okene-Lokoja-Abuja-Kaduna axis.
All these factors put together has somewhat made Akoko-Edo, especially Ibillo a cosmopolitan town hence a first time visitor like you is sure to fall into the assumption that it is an Ebira-Yoruba territory which it isn't.
Then as per the lack of civilization you claim to have observed there: if we juxtapose it with your apparent observation of an Ebira-Yoruba enclave, then you have implicitly accused your own Yoruba race of being uncivilized. See why there is no wisdom in superiority complex? Though it is already obvious that in your short stay there you mostly interacted with drivers, motor park touts and farmers....a category of professions which don't nurture refinement and sophistication in anyone regardless of their tribe or ethnicity. But if you had made conscious efforts to mingle with the indegenous people during your stay you would have realized that even the Akoko-Edo native who has little formal education exudes sophistication, civility and intellect talkless of the highly educated ones.
Politics › Re: "Igbos Don't Have Any Connection With Biafra, Ijaws Own It" - Asari Dokubo by Deadlytruth(m): 6:24pm On Jul 28, 2021
ubaobi:
All these divide and rule tactics are all for selfish reasons. The defunct Biafran nation had an Igbo President from Anambra state (present day South East) and Obong Philip Effiong as Vice President, from Akwa Ibom state (Present day south south) . The so called " IGBO COUP" that led to the counter coup and ultimately the declaration of biafra was led by Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu, an Anioma man from present day Delta state in South South region. He wasn't even from the south east but was conveniently labelled an IGBO MAN. But the same people will tell you that Igbos only have five states, Igbos are landlocked bla bla bla.
Ojukwu made it clear in his numerous memos that the coup was hatched and nurtured by Ifeajuna a native of Onitsha in present day Anambra State, South East.
Secondly, how logical is it that Nzeogwu who was thousands of miles away in Kaduna was the architect and leader of a coup plot hatched and wholly nurtured in Lagos?
Christianity Etc › Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 6:59pm On Jul 26, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah referred to Jesus as "Prince of Peace" {Isaiah 9:6} but Jesus himself said he did not bring Peace rather he said he brought Sword! Matthew 10:34

If you're willing we will unravel the sacred secrets, if you're not interested we can't force it into your head, just know that JWs are peaceloving but before we agree we must first disagree! smiley
Jesus' claim to bring a sword is figurative because Jesus however never did any violence to anyone. He gave his opponents the opportunity to speak and he heard them out and then engaged them. He didn't close his mind to their opinions despite he was omniscient and had no record of unrighteousness. But here we have mortal humans who are full of sin and house an ever-changing and even oscillating body of doctrines claiming infallibility. Isn't that funny?
Christianity Etc › Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 6:54pm On Jul 26, 2021
sagieramos:
This is false. In fact, the opposite was the case were many JWs were imprisoned and killed because the Witnesses in Germany wouldn't join the military nor participate in the war. Search "the Jehovah witness and the holocaust" on Google to learn more
Revisionism at best. The Declaration of facts clearly stated that the JWs hold the view that the British and US Governments and the Jews therein are the worst economic and political oppressors in the world and that the Watchtower Organization stood behind Hitler's Germany's crusade against the US, UK and the Jews.
Christianity Etc › Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 6:48pm On Jul 26, 2021
Janosky:
Your fellow Church members too reject JWs publications like plague.
Bros, " is that how to be peaceful and peace loving?"
Bros," is that "simply arrogance and pride?".
We preach against anything in conflict with your own Bible. grin grin
Yes we reject JWs because they started it all. We are admonished by the Bible to have nothing to do not with unbelievers but with those who claim to be believers in words but manifest contrary actions.
No you preach against anything in conflict with your organization's doctored version of the bible and the whims and caprices of your elders in New York.

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