₦airaland Forum

juman:
Yaradua picked Jonathan.

The picking was influenced by Obasanjo

spirul77:
Useless and evil Obaseki doesn't have any business governing the state, it's now turn to fight fellow PDP members now.

Honestly, Oshiomhole messed up terribly for bringing Obaseki to political limelight in Edo State in defiance to repeated warnings and counsels from countless well-meaning Edo State illustrious stakeholders and even the Palace. But Edo PDP deserves what it is currently passing through in Obaseki's hands. The awoof governor when PDP think say Dem catch for road na im don already dey run their bele so.

providencia:
They said oshiomhole was their problem

Television don dey clear dey come

Pierce008:
This man was one of the most active PDP leader in Edo state, long before Obaseki took power in PDP.... And he was indeed very dedicated, Wonder what's going on

Obaseki simply is executing his plot to take over Edo State PDP and become the sole administrator and godfather of the party. This was exactly what he was attempting in APC but got kicked out but unfortunately the PDP and some naive voters fell for the antigodfatherism narrative it was packaged in. Edo State PDP chapter has not seen anything. By the time Obaseki is through with them the party may be out of existence in the state.

spirul77:
have you been to edo state lately? This man has ruined edo state.

Just leave them. We just pray that their state will be run same way Obaseki is running Edo State now to the extent that even the PDP which accentuated the Edo no be Lagos slogan is currently suggesting a Lagos blueprint for Obaseki to borrow in tackling the all time high insecurity in the State.

juman:
No governor of delta state can be president.
Extremely difficult for them because they are extreme thieves.

Donald Duke was very good governor.
He is good as president.

If Obasanjo was sincerly commited to addressing the SS Question, it was Donald Duke he should have set up as Yaradua's running mate in 2007. Jonathan was not the best the SS could offer Nigeria.

Indispensable85:
Obaseki where are you?

He is busy hosting visitors everyday in Osadebe House and uploading the pictures of the visit on his Facebook page.

ursullalinda:
Finally.....guess the media bashing did it......But he is doing well for his people thou

Doing well exactly how?

Ibkhaleel01:
Lol.... southerners are the most uselesss set of people i have ever come across....you hail your governors day and night for issuing statements against Northerners...

You hail your criminals for Killing Northerners and making their lives miserable...

Yet you are now thinking of getting the presidential seat..

How dumb are you to think that a Northerner will ever vote for you?

Ohh! You want the seat to be automatically given to you?

Bias, dull dumb people...

Go with your land and we'll show you how democracy truly works...

Shegu jakuna

You have forgotten how Northerners were shedding tears in 2011 demanding that Jonathan respect the PDP agreement by way of allowing a Northerner complete Yaradua's tenure before he himself would contest afresh in 2015. You Northerners went as far as replaying an old video clip in which Jonathan was seen and heard reiterating the PDP zoning formula.
Well, other than the age long disunity of the South you Northerners really have no democratic magic wand in elections. So all your boasting is premised on that. If you study all the elections in Nigeria won by a Northerner since 1960 you will see that none of them was without a Southern Regional ally particularly the present SE.

obynzo:
Oga stop being foolish and dense. why blame Ironsi for a decree that never even took effect. Gowon repealed the decree if Gowon was sincere why didn't he practice federalism. The truth is that people are now seeing that blaming igbos is already stale.
My guy go and get a decent job, your paymasters would be displeased because the plan to spread hare is dead on arrival. Ironsi only ruled for six months and you cannot ascribe any human rights abuses or violations to him, he allowed press freedom he never censored the press like your heroes.
Dude go and get a job and get a life your obsession to paint Ironsi and Igbos black has failed. As for Ojukwu i do not blame him he did what was best at that time as the military governor of the old Eastern Region so you may as well hug transformer.

Just listen to yourself: ".... Ironsi's Decree never took effect"? Please which bush school did you attend where you were taught that decrees don't come into force with immediate effect? So Ironsi, a military junta and dictator, made a Decree on May 24 and it didn't take effect till July 29 (three months 5 days) that he died? I can't believe I have been engaging a coconut head all this while?
Yes by allowing the coup plotters walk free after killing their superiors in cold blood, Ironsi didn't abuse human rights. By arresting and securing death sentence for Isaac Boro and killing over 100 of his soldiers for the 'crime" of seeking Niger Deltans self determination (a right recognized by the UN) Ironsi didn't abuse human rights. You are just a victim of moronic plague.
So on the part of Ojukwu, seeking secession hypocritically as Eastern Region Governor after assisting Ironsi to promulgate Anti-secession Decree just few months back as Eastern Region Governor was what he thought as the best? To you hypocrisy and inconsistency is the best lifestyle to live?

obynzo:
Oga answer the question i asked you and stop being a wise ass

You are just an idiot. Was the envoy position Ojukwu gave Zik in Biafra not a leadership role? Why have you been avoiding this simple question?

obynzo:
Zik and Balewa did not cripple AG, it was actually Akintola and Balewa. At the time of the crisis in the Western Region NCNC/NPC coalition had broken down Zik and Balewa didn't agree. abeg look for something else to lie about.

Haven't I been saying that you are a crass ignoramus operating under the cover of abusive language? Western Region crisis started in 1961 and the beef between Azikiwe and Balewa started in 1963 over the reeun census hence as at 1961 when Western Region Crisis started Zik and Balewa were still in good terms and working with Akintola as their Western ally. Here is a detailed scholarly account of the First Republic political events with copious references from numerous historians of repute:
https://www.academia.edu/6198062/The_Fall_of_the_First_Republic

It is a pdf document. Page 29 of it has three passages that clearly stand as evidence that Zik was in cahoots with Balewa in hounding AG.
Note in page 29 where the account reads:
With an earlier reference to a time frame of February 1962 when Zik and Balewa were still in good terms......
"The NPC and NCNC watched
the deepening fragmentation of their
Western rival with cautious
optimism. They believed that the
intra-family conflict would open up
the West, allowing them to extend
their influence into the region."

Mr E. Ebubedike (a Zik loyalist and NCNC member of the Western House of Assembly), also a supporter of Chief Akintola, seized the mace, attempted to club the speaker with it but missed
and broke the mace on the table


In another line it says,
In December, the NPCNCNC (ie Balewa-Zik) federal government announced that it would no longer recognise the party
as the official opposition.

Then it says once more.
The Northern Region now
stood poised to bring Nigeria under
its sole captaincy. John Stuart Mill, in
his 1861 Considerations on
Representative Government, set out several conditions for a stable
federation, one of which was that “
there should not be any one State
[or Region] so much more powerful
than the rest as to be capable of
vying in strength with many of them
combined. If there be such a one … it
will insist on being master of the
joint deliberations”87. Eastern
Regional Premier, Michael Okpara,
recognising that the emerging
political balance would be
unfavourable to the East,tried to “
draw back” from the “total
extinction” of the AG

From the bolded in the third quotation above you see Michael Okpara a Zik's puppet drawing back from the total extinction of the AG because NCNC had now broken ranks with the NPC over the 1963 rerun of the 1962 census and now realized it needed the AG as an ally to fight against the results from being gazetted by the NPC. But it was too late.
Now, do people draw back from something they were never supporting or encouraging initially?

gidgiddy:
Goal Post shifter.

I can't see how I shifted any goalpost. I only exposed how Ironsi's lawlessness, disrespect for a sovereign agreement made by all Nigerians and his violation of the oath of office he himself freely took led Nigeria astray thereby opening the door to all the lawlessness that we have in Nigeria till today. Unfortunately you couldn't answer the simple question I asked you as to whether Nigeria would have been derailed if Ironsi had chosen the part of honour rather than that of greed and hidden agenda.

gidgiddy:
There was hardly any country in Africa that did not have military coups in 60's, 70's and 80's. There was even a military coup the other day.

So you have now shifted the goalpost to justifying Ironsi's derailment of Nigeria with the occurrence of coups in other countries yet you hypoctically took Buhari to the cleaners for staging a coup just like it was happening in other countries according to you. Can't you see that you are already speaking from two sides of your mouth at the same time. What an interesting self contradiction!

Nothing whatsoever justified a coup in Nigeria because as at independence Nigeria was visioned to become one of the world powers given the system of governance in practice, the available human and natural resources and the rapidly growing population all of which stood Nigeria very tall above the other mushroom African countries you choose to disingenuously compare Nigeria with. In fact as of then the Nigerian currency was the second strongest worldwide as an indication of the position of the country in the committee of nations. Nigeria was truly the giant of Africa which should lead other countries by example and as the big brother of all other African countries it should have even taken it upon itself to always send soldiers dethrone military governments and restore democracy in whichever African countries soldiers came to power through coups. But Ironsi's style of leadership as GOC made a mess of such such supposed prestigious status by introducing military rule into the same Nigeria that should checkmate militarism all over Africa.

gidgiddy:
Your current President, Mumu Buhari overthrew the democratically elected regime of Shagari in 1983. He suspended the Nigerian constitution and ruled by Decree for almost 2 years. You Nigerians saw no problem with electing the same Buhari as a civilian ruler in 2015 and 2019.

Just like you Igbos gave bloc votes in 1999 to Obasanjo who was put forward by the Babangida that annuled the mandate of a democratically elected president in 1993 thus making you Igbos actually indirectly voting for IBB who suspended the constitution and ruled with decrees for 8 years. In addition the Igbo members of the Senate in 2007 voted as Senate president the very David Mark who threatened to shoot MKO the symbol of democratic struggle. If you Igbos could collude with the militaristic Northern Oligarchy in 1999 to recycle a product of the military establishment which incessantly interfered with democracy to your rejection of the Olu Falae who was the candidate of the NADECO that championed the fight which restored democracy, how then on earth do you have the moral authority to condemn other Nigerians from voting for Buhari who is as well a part of that military establishment? I thought they say he who comes to equity must come with clean hands?

gidgiddy:
And you people are talking about Ironsi not handing over to Dipcharima in 1966? But you elected a renowned coup plotter as your president today?

Ironsi removed a government founded on a truly we-the-people constitution hence his offense remains worse than Buhari who took power from a government founded on a constitution drafted and stagemanaged by the military establishment. Aren't we all complaining today that the 1999 constitution which is more or less a replication of the 1979 constitution is not a truly Nigerian people's constitution but a military document which should be discarded and replaced with the independence constitution if Nigeria is to make progress? If Buhari sacked Shagari's government which was built on a military document, can you really claim he truncated democracy unlike Ironsi who sacked a government founded on a constitution drafted by the Nigerian people's themselves? Are you comparing apples and oranges?

gidgiddy:
You are still talking about Ironsi's Decree 34 that recognised the 4 Regions of the time, but never talk about the many Decrees of future Northern military leaders that created the 36 states we have tttoday ?about Ironsi centralizing the civil service but never saying that he maintained the revenue sharing formular agreed at independence which gave each Region up to 70% of what was realised there?

tSo we should leave Ironsi's Decree 34 which open the doors to all the other decrees you now complain about? You mean Ironsi recognized the same regionihe kept on referring to as ' former rregions' in his decrees? Where exactly do you get your own dictionary from?

gidgiddy:
As I always say, Ironsi's only problem was being an Igbo man. All the military rulers who came after him were all Northerners, and they did far worse than he did.

Ironsi's problem was that he set a very bad example and refused to listen to public opinion. He dsubverted a constitution he swore to defend unlike all the others who never swore any oath to defend any constitution. Morever, Ironsi seized power from a genuinely democratic government unlike the others who tool powesrs from military or quasi military governments like themselves.

gidgiddy:
But people like you only remember Decree 34 because Ironsi was Igbo. Gowon's Decree 14 was so bad that it makes Ironsi look like a hero. But Gowon is a Northerner and his Decree 14 can never be discussed because it would expose the fact Ironsi was a much better man [

Ironsi's Decree 34 set the stage for all the other lawlessness that followed. As an Igbo man, he refused to punish the coup plotters . He also surrounded himself with Igbo advisers like Newokedi and Nwabueze/quote]

rickyrex:
just like anyone including politicians, media aid or minister of information can go on social media or other devices to express their feelings towards a perceived issue... That was how kanu did his on on radio. He never carried arms, neither were they any for of riot or killings of police men. Things when from bad to worse when your so called buhari felt before he got little or no vote from the East therefore they should be sidelined from his national plans. Commmon true leader to segregate rather he unified and treat everyone as equal wether he got a vote or not as long as everyone has a right to make a choice then he should have done the right thing. When Jonathan was on seat what ipob majorly celebrate was Biafra day and it been exercised even in Lagos where igbos trade.... No violence

Did I read you write that Nnamdi Kanu had not begun to use violent approach before Buhari became president? You seem to have forgotten that under Jonathan, about three or four young men of Nnamdi Kanu's squad were arrested for armed invasion of the Enugu State Government House with the objective of seizing power there as the beginning of the actualization of Biafra given the fact that Enugu was actually the capital of Biafra back then in 1967.

On your claim that Buhari s refusal to treat Igbos equally with others caused the radicalization of ipobians: I am at loss to what exactly you mean. However, if I rely on my school knowledge of equitable treatment/ carrying everyone along, I will say without any fear of contradiction that Buhari beats Jonathan hands down as regards pro-Igbo leanings especially when one considers the infrastructural projects he has bathed as soaked the SE in despite all the insults, hatred and lethal verbiage and venom you have been throwing at him since 2015 for his "crime" of exercising his constitutionally guaranteed right to contest and win an election. This man you so much hate has started and completed in the SE a lot of projects which your beloved Jonathan either didn't start at all or at best started on paper and abandoned it at paper level. How better than that can people be carried along? If your perspective of accusation is in the area of appointment, then you need to explain why you expect him not to entertain fears about bringing too close to himself through political appointments the people of a particular part of the country whom he knows so hate and could assassinate him if given the opportunity (like they did to Northern leaders in the past) for defeating in an election a person who is not even from their own region. Mind you that the irrationality of your rabid and eternal hatred for him becomes more intriguing and deserving of caution in dealing with you people when one considers the fact that even the region which own Jonathan has long put the defeat behind them while you Igbos have continued to cry more than the bereaved for the past 6 years. Who in his right senses would not be weary and afraid of such people?

rickyrex:
such threat from ipob came 2019 yet there was election... And I bet you if any Igbo man stand to contest for president ipob will have to lower their guns to see an Igbo man rule. Ipob issue is not today. This same ipob was what led to Biafra war. It only resurrected during buhari's regime cause of his inability to include or carry the igbos along. Jonathan did nothing for the southeast but because he was seen as a brother from the south south that was why ipob did not fustrate him

So you mean Buhari was in power in 2013 when Kanu began to broadcast through Radio Biafra?

gidgiddy:
You seem to be making so much excuses for Gowon. Gowon could not abrogate Ironsi's Decree 34 in 9 months, Aburi was alien to the people but state creation was not, the people were happy to see Gowon take away resource control. Excuse after excuse

Every thing to make Gowon look good. The problem is that history cannot be changed, it is what it is. You are actually defending Gowon for creating states and calling out Ironsi for Decree 34?

History is history. Gowon met 4 Regions when he took over from Ironsi and he turned those 4 Regions into 12 states. The Northern Region alone got 6 of those 12 new states. Can you imagine what would have happened if Ironsi had announced that he was dissolving the 4 Regions, replacing them with 12 new states and that his Eastern Region would get half of those states? The rest of Nigeria would have gone to war. But Gowon did the same and nobody saud anything because Gowon is a Northerner

Gowon met 4 Regions that were controlling their resources, he subdivided the 4 Regions into 12 states, then placed resource control in the hands of the federal government

Gowon met fiscal federalism, a system whereby the 4 Regions controlled their resources and paid 30% tax to the federal government. Gowon reversed that so the federal government controlled the resources and paid the 12 new states whatever the federal government felt like. To this day, all states still run to the federal government for monthly subvention, a system brought by Gowon

It becomes clear to anyone who reads Nigerian history that Gowon singlehandedly destroyed Regionalism and federalism

Decree 34 was never the problem, the problem was that Ironsi was an Igbo man. Gowons Decree 14 was a hundred times worse than Ironsi's Decree 34, but Gowon got away with it because he is a Northerner

Apart from your perpetual attempts to paint Ironsi as 100% innocent of the destruction of federalism in Nigeria,
youu seem not to understand the meaning of the words you use. First and foremost, if Ironsi had respected himself by way fulfilling his solemnly sworn oath of office before the eyes of the whole universe to protect and defend the truly federal Independence constitution and in so doing simply sworn in Dipcharima as Balewa's replacement, replaced the slain Premiers (Akintola and Amadu Bello) with their deputies, arraigned Nzeogwu, Adegboyega, Don Okafor, Nwaobosi, Nwatuegwu and Ifeajuna before a military tribunal for killing national leaders, shedding the bloods of innocent military officers far senior to them and also the bloods of the pregnant wives of some of these figures along with their unborn babies, and then returned to the barracks as a professional soldier and career military officer; do you think the Gowon you love to blame 100% for the death of true federalism would have ever come to power let alone kill federalism as you love to erroneously assume? Or would Dipcharima have started tampering with that truly federal constitution if Ironsi had sworn him in as required by the very constitution he swore before the whole world to defend in all , I mean all circumstances? Be honest!
What on earth was Ironsi's fucking business with power? Which part of the constitution he swore to defend gave him the power to seize power from the civilians and then impose himself on the nation? What are you even trying to say?
Exactly who and who as members of the public complained to Ironsi about the constitution to warrant him first tampering with it? When did he conduct a public hearing in which Nigerians told him they were no longer satisfied with the independence constitution? The crisis on ground was a normal stage in the democratic evolution of any young nation and in fact was all about how politicians were forming alliances just like the defections and counter defections and realignments between APC and PDP members today. Nothing in it was directly connected with the constitution, so what exactly attracted Ironsi to the constitution if not a dubious objective up his sleeves? For the life of me I still can't phantom how a near illiterate GOC who took over power through the back door believed he knew better about nation building than a group of over 100 duly elected graduates of some of the world's most prestigious universities who put their heads together through sleepless nights in London and came out with a constitution that guaranteed equitable distribution of power and resources, citizenship dignity, fairness and a structure that encourages healthy competition and rapid industrialization. What an idiot of a man Ironsi was! Why did he even touch the Independence Constitution at all in the first instance? Was he among those who drafted it? Even the far younger Nzeogwu, Adegboyega, Ifeajuna, etc never had it in their plan to tamper with the independence constitution in an event their coup succeeded? So what exactly was Ironsi's beef with a well thought out constitution that was the toast of everyone?

Gowon didn't take away resource control contrary to your insinuation. Ironsi did so through his centralization of the four regional civil service institutions. In introductory Government in SS1 we all learnt that the civil service is the only legal means through which a government gathers her revenues, deploys same for projects and payment of contractors. In essence the civil service is government and government is the civil service. So by centralizing the regional civil services, Ironsi had automatically centralized all sources of revenue. Ask yourself how possible it is for a federal civil servant working in Onitsha to remit to the Anambra State government the taxes he collects in Onitsha? Don't you know that in his May 24 national broadcast Ironsi ordered that from henceforth all former civil servants of the former regions should see themselves as national civil servants? So after becoming national civil servants, to which tier of government would they be making remittances of revenues generated from taxes, mineral resources, agricultural produce, etc ? This is common sense and simple logic na! Haba! Even a Kindergarten school baby would easily reason out this deduction. Do you term as resource control a situation whereby all civil servants are made to make remittances to the center? Aren't Wike, Sanwolu, etc. currently arguing that remittance of VAT collected by FIRS offices in all the 36 states to the FG violates true federalism?
That exactly was the kind of situation Ironsi instituted. Or how else was Ironsi planning to be paying the salaries of the now centralized civil servants if they were still to continue making remittances to the regional governors as you claim? It is like the FG directing the FIRS staff in every state to remit their VAT collections to the respective governors and at the end of the month the FG would still pay the salaries of those FIRS staff. Where on earth does that happen? Where do you think the FG will get such money from to sustain such insane policy? Or are you suggesting that Ironsi was such a dullardino? Civil service is the engine room of government and if you strip any government of it you have sent that government into extinction. Imagine Abuja taking over the Anambra State Civ Service now; what government will Obiano be able to run anymore? Your argument is analogous to a car mechanic who removes the engine of your car and argues that as long as he didn't materially tamper with tthe body and external appearance, then nothing has really changed about your car hence you have to accept it and start using it again. Will you accept such argument from your mechanic?

gidgiddy:
Gowon took over in August of 1966, Ojukwu declared Biafra on May 30th 1967. You mean that Gowon could not "complete his abrogation of all Ironsi's fraudulent and Igbo domination agenda " in 9 months? Something can be done in a day with one announcement in military regime?
And what did you Gowon eventually do? He announced Decree 14 which abolished all 4 Regulations, created 12 new states in its place, took away resource control and abrogated fiscal federalism

Gowons Decree 14 of 1967 was a hundred times worse than Ironsi's Decree 34. The only thing about Gowons case is that he was a Northerner while Ironsi was an Easterner. Had Ironsi been a Northerner, you would not be talking about Decree 34 today same as you can never talk about Gowons Decree 14

Gowon took over August 2, 1966 but before then, Northern mobs had already commenced a retaliatory massacre of Igbos in major Northern cities over the January 15 1966 coup which saw the gruesome murder of the North's highly revered political leaders amidst the irony of the escape onto safety or the sparing of Igbo political leaders who dominated the Balewa government whose alleged misgovernance and corruption was cited as the premise for the bloody coup. These killings purportedly promted Ojukwu to start demanding a renegotiated Nigeria while Gowon was already in the process of abrogation of Ironsi's fraudulent decrees. Gowon had to pause his refederalization process to honour Ojukwu's demand for a renegotiated Nigeria hence he hurriedly convoked Aburi meeting which ended up hitting the rocks on account of its proposals being rejected by the sovereign civil populace of Nigeria due to its extremely confederal nature as opposed to the just federal structure they were already used to and was actually working for them before Ironsi misadventured into politics and took it away from them. Being occupied with all these Ojukwu's distraction which all began few days after Gowon assumed office, Gowon lost focus from his refederalization project and that explains why he couldn't complete it. If you think that decrees could be reversed or made overnight, then you need to explain why it took Ironsi up till May 24 1966 to come up with his own Unification, Anti-secession, Anti-tribal Associations, Anti- political gatherings, etc Decrees despite taking over power four months earlier on.

Per the other issues you raised; I have already repeatedly addressed them in many other threads with you without you being able to counter me with superior reason.
I have stated clearly that Gowon's states creation was not out of place considering the fact that even during Balewa's time, agitation for the creation of more regions/states had started and aimed at giving the non-Wazobians both in the North and South some level of self rule thus freedom from Wazobia domination. There was just no way the regions would have remained four till today. Even the youngest and smallest Midwestern Region was already billed to be, in the nearest future, split into new Regions along the lines of Benin and Warri Provinces which have become separate Edo and Delta States today. So how much more with the yet untouched, older and far bigger Northern and Eastern Regions of that period? What therefore really mattered wasn't whether Gowon created one billion states or that Ironsi created one trillion Provinces out of the regions but that how autonomous they allowed them to be in the spirit of true federalism already in place beginning from independence. Even you yourself can't deny the fact that Gowon's states were far more autonomous than Ironsi's Provinces, and that is the premise on which the argument that Ironsi crippled federalism in Nigeria is based and also that Ojukwu thwarted the chances of restoring it at the earliest possible opportunity that presented itself.
Come to think about it; Ironsi created 35 Provinces which boundaries coincide 90% with those of the present 36 states but they were rejected and Ironsi killed for that. But Ironsi"s successors ended up creating 36 states which nearly almost reflect the boundaries of Ironsi's Provinces but we are happy with it today. Shouldn't that tell you that Nigerians were never against creation of more subnational units? What then made Ironsi's own creation of more subnational units so offensive, annoying and rejected?
Answer: He stripped them 100% of their autonomy and took away their civil service institutions to himself at the center therefore converting Nigeria to his private company by asking all the governors of those provinces to be reporting to him at the center thus making himself a godfather of the whole of Nigeria which otherwise started as a world class model system of people centred democracy.

Note that while Ironsi was running the country as a federal military government between January 17 1966 and May 24 same year, nobody thought of toppling his government let alone plot a coup to that end because the regions were still autonomous despite being under military rule. But immediately he made the centripetal decrees which converted Nigeria to a national (unitary) military government on May 24 same year and made it clear that such structure would be retained into the civilian government he would hand over to; that was the beginning of trouble. He himself knew it was unacceptable hence began a nationwide tour to convince the civil populace and force them to accept it should persuasion fail. He met his waterloo in that tour of trying to force unitary system down the throats of a people used to federalism already.

obynzo:
Oga I will not go through this baseless arguments with you. Just bring proof of how the HQ if NCNC was moved from Lagos to Enugu. And it must be proper documentation and not foolish inferences.

Is this the proof I asked you to provide for your idiotic claim that Azikiwe's envoy position in Biafra wasn't a leadership role?

obynzo:
It is obvious you are here to spread hate against igbos. In your mind you think you have sense right. Ironsi made that decision during his time because ot was convenient for him so it is not because he is my igbo brother as you foolishly retorted. Which begs the question the quasi federal structure we have today is a product of Gowon's government. The revenue sharing formula all started from Gowon's government with the support of Awolowo as finance minister. So why do you chose to blame Ironsi, but chose to ignore the fact that Gowon repealed the same Ironsi's decree it never lasted beyond July 66.

It is obvious you're the foolish one here who would always continue to stick to a line of argument without addressing a poser already in place countering that very line. Before you whitewash Ironsi further, why don't you address the fact that by taking over power illegally and then tampering with a people's sovereign constitution in the first instance, he had violated the oath of office he solemnly took on the day of his inauguration as army GOC to protect and defend that constitution at all times and in all circumstances and that such criminality and abuse of power by him opened the doors of the military rascality and the attendant progressive destruction of our federalism by all the other rulers, both military and civilian, that came after him? How many times do you want it to be drummed into your ears that if Ojukwu had never started his afterthought Biafra agitation, Gowon would have completed his abrogation of all Ironsi's fraudulent and Igbo domination agenda dtiven centripetal and anti-federalism decrees thus retuning Nigeria to the truly federal status quo ante to the benefit of all of us today and the avoidance of the Biafra War which cost Nigeria over 3 million innocent civilian lives?
If it was convenient for Ironsi to topple a democratically elected government and introduce military rule as you would have us believe, then by what standards do your hypocritic likes assume that it shouldn't have as well been convenient for the likes of Gowon, IBB, OBJ, Murtala Mohammed, etc who even didn't topple democratically elected governments to make centripetal decrees and tamper with the no-longer-sovereign constitution which they inherited from Ironsi and Ojukwu his brother?

Ykc2:
since you said amechi bears yoruba name all your explanation is invalid, you read where amechi said that the rotimi in his name is the name of his yoruba lecturer while his was in university ?now your pretending like his parent named him amechi,

Yet Amachi uses that Yoruba name officially?

November24:
And social media handlers

I heard he handles his social media page by himself. And come to think of it, he has no appointees to do such for him since his second term started a year ago. He hates to spend money however needful. To him everyone else wants to steal and he alone has good intentions for the state.

Indispensable85:
Where's obaseki in all of this?

He wants the money which the FG promised to release to states that provide land for RUGA so he doesn't even talk about such bill in any of his numerous Facebook MOU updates.

November24:
Oh you mean the dicator,He's on Facebook snapping pinchures

the only people working very well in Edo State now are the government house photographers.

4ckyou:
chai and Edo state cannot pass the bill cause no assembly in Edo state, na wa oh which kind wahala Edo people come enter like this

When they were singing "Edo no be Lagos" they thought they were being smart. Even Sanwolu of Lagos has signed the bill, so Edo will never be Lagos indeed as Obaseki is not likely to ever sign such a bill when there is no state house of assembly to pass it in the first instance. Ogbane. Towargba.

obynzo:
Oga bring proof stop being a wise ass. Ambassadorial position has nothing to do with this. Ironsi chose to centralise government to be similar to the central command structure of the army to make governance easier for him.

Show me proof of Zik moving HQ of NCNC to Enugu and it must be a correspondence that shows this.

You are talking trash. If you believe your own lie that Ironsi chose to centralize everything for easier governance, then why do your likes demonize all his military successors like Gowon, Murtala Mohammed, Obasanjo, Buhari, IBB, Abacha etc for further centralizing powers and revenue? Didn't they too need ease of governance just like Ironsi purportedly needed? Na only Ironsi need easy things because im be your Igbo brother and all the non-Igbos military rulers dey forbid easy government?
You Igbos should continue thinking that other Nigerian tribes are idiots who can't reason but accept from you any trashy rationalization of your greed and domination agenda driven misdeeds that derailed Nigeria.
You would not address the ambassadorial position because you know deep down in you that it puts paid to the propaganda that Enahoro and Awolowo betrayed Ojukwu.

Ykc2:
if you show me one ikwerre man his name is efosa or obaseki I will show you tunde ogbebor ,Jonathan supported apc candidate because of his rifts with former governor dickson not because of tinubu,just like that criminal Rochas used apga to to become governor

I am not the Wike who said it before the whole world that Ikwerres come from Benin. Amaechi, a prominent Ikwerre son, even bears a Yoruba name "Rotimi" so your reliance on name doesn't cut it.
Isn't it funny that you are able to see that the APC victory in Bayelsa is about the rift between Jonathan and Dickson hence not a Tinubu doing yet you failed to see that PDP victory in Edo State recently is majorly about the people's grouse with Oshiomhole for ever imposing a descendant of a tracherous family on the seat of power in defiance to every wise counsel from the palace and well meaning Edo State sons and daughters in 2016 thus making it not really a decision to spite Tinubu whose preference in 2016 was the same Obaseki?
Your defense line above is not even solid because Jonathan had not started having issues with Dickson when APC won both his Senatorial District and Federal Constituency in the 2019 general elections. So look for another story to tell.

obynzo:
Bros didn't Gowon repeal the decree? so what is your problem again? you are yet to bring me proof that NCNC moved the their HQ from Lagos to Enugu.

How many times do you want to be reminded that Gowon couldn't finish repealing them before Ojukwu began to disrupt everything with his afterthought secession moves? Neither have you been able to show me any proof that the NCNC delegation to Ibadan to mend fences with Awolowo through his wife went officially from Lagos. Then you have not been able to answer the question of whether an ambassadorial position in Biafra wasn't a leadership one. You have also failed to explain why Ironsi chose to centralize the civil service when the crisis on ground was a fall out of battle for alliances between the political class and therefore had absolutely nothing to do with civil servants.

Ekealterego:
There was no election that determined Zik as a representative pre-independence. Zik wanted to lead the Yorubas, and when it didn't work at first, he went to meet the Ijebus who saw themselves as a separate group. (I hope you also know that Yoruba was a political name as you guys were called Akus".

When that didn't get his desired outcome, the colonial masters compensated him with a position in the East.

First of all; per the bolded, I am not Yoruba. Then secondly, Zik got elected as Eastern Region premier by the votes mainly of Igbos. Zik was also elected as president of Igbo State Union - a pan Igbo cultural association.

obynzo:
You again you are here in this thread again with your quest to spread hate and lies

Hate and lies you term eternal truths which are self substantiating? Like I have always demanded, tell us what exactly Ironsi meant by referring to the regions as former.

Ykc2:
Let him go to bayelsa and or river state and tell them tinubu is their capone tinubu capone , he could not even deliver semi yoruba land edo to apc during governorship election

Stop saying what you know nothing about. How is Edo State semi Yorubaland? If we are to follow your perception, Rivers too is semi-Yorubaland since Ikwerres claim Edo ancestry as Wike recently did on
screen before the whole world. Then you seem to have forgotten so soon that Bayelsa, the home state of your beloved GEJ recently got delivered to APC by a landslide.

Funny how Edo State has suddenly become a standard reference point in some folks' eyes about what the SS political culture is. The same Edo State they would demonize and derogatorily label a SW and even NC state just some three years back just because the people of the state exercised their constitutionally guaranteed freedom of choice and association by preferring being governed by the APC and gave Buhari up to 40% votes in 2015 election against their beloved Jonathan who is himself currently on his way to the same APC after working successfully for an APC resounding victory in his home Bayelsa State save the Supreme Court's annulment. If you want to see raw inconsistency come to Nairaland.

Masterito:
FFK talk too much swearing up and down, same can't be said of Atiku.

You obviously never listened to Atiku in the days when he just defected from the PDP to the then AC in 2006.