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humilitypays:
But they called Nnamdi Kanu coward for escaping from Nigerian Army invasion of his home at Afarukwu Abia State in 2017.

Even Tinubu their Lord, Soyinka, etc ran away from Abacha regime but when Nnamdi Kanu did same, they called him all names and even supported this same bloody terrorist Buhari when he sent soldiers to murder IPOB members in cold blood in Abia State and Onitsha when IPOB were completely armless holding only Biafran flag.


Many of these people crying for justice now danced and rejoiced when their so called Python Dance massacred defenseless IPOB members in the SE and they think God and nature is not alive.


Buhari and his generation will definitely pay for their evil of today, they may think they are above the law now, but tomorrow is pregnant.


Even MiddleBelt wouldn't have believed in 1967 that the same Hausa-Fulanis they joined hands with to massacre civilian Igbos in that inhumane 1966 pogrom will later turn against them and now killing MiddleBelt people daily like its a game of fun.


That's why it's not good to support injustice against anybody or tribe, always stand on the path of truth no matter what.

Igbos started it all first by colluding with the Balewa Government to oppress other southerners by ways of:
1. joining the Northern MPs in the First Republic federal legislature to pass into law the bill sponsored by Balewa by which he retroactively upturned the Supreme Court verdict on the Awolowo vs Akintola rift.

2. giving moral support to the Balewa Government to jail Enahoro, Awolowo and lots of other non-Igbo Southerners for fictitious charges.

3. And finally plotting and executing a coup by which a lot of innocent politicians and high-ranking army officers of all other regions were brutally murdered but sparing their Igbo counterparts.
These were how injustice and disregard for the rule of law began in a post-independence Nigeria.

Captain8:
tribes in south east
igbo
ibibio
igala
mbaise
Ijaw
etc

Now, if Igbos are the core South East people as you obviously want to insinuate, then who are the core Nigerians?

EdoFirstBorn:
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[s]Shut up

Tribalist leech, you don't know anything. Ignorant child[/s]

Indomie generation child devoid of facts hence looking at everything through ethnocentric and partisan lenses. Go and pick up a book on Nigeria's political history.

Captain8:
south east has many tribes..... now who is the core south easternes?

Would you mind listing out the many ethnic groups of the South East?

EdoFirstBorn:
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[s]You are a child and don't know anything. The riots in 1993 weren't a tribal thing all tribes rioted. But you are too ignorant and tribalistic to know anything usefu[/s]l

You were obviously not even born by that time. Go back and ask questions from those around you who were alive back then and ask them to mention the riots staged in the North and South East concerning June 12 if there were any.
To be specific, Tofa won in Old Rivers (Now Rivers and Bayelsa) State. He also swept Imo, Abia, Enugu which bellied Ebonyi State back then. So how could Igbos have staged pro-June 12 riots when the annulment favoured their preferred choice of candidate? In fact the position of Igbos back then was that the annulment was pay back to Yorubas for betraying them during the Biafra War hence June 12 actualization struggle was none of their business. For Northerners: the likes of David Mark said it publicly that he would personally shoot MKO dead if he meets him face to face. Then the likes of Major Omenka of Benue State was used by Abacha as a part of the Nigerian Gestapo to kill June 12 struggle leaders within Nigeria. The only places outside Yoruba land where riots were staged are Edo and Delta States. Go and read and ask questions.

EdoFirstBorn:
We don't have a democracy. These politicians in both PDP and APC are empty brianed selfish evil people.

They brought the tribalism we face today. If Nigeria was so divided why is it during the June 12 1992 riots all over Nigeria everyone rioted?

In the North in the middlebelt in the East everyone came out to riot. No one said it's a Yoruba affair or Yoruba ronu.. everyone came out to protest.

By these evil politicians have spent time telling us how Iboe hate Yoruba , how Yoruba hate Iboe how huasa hate Iboe how Iboe hate Hausa just so they keep us divided .

The unity and riots seen all over Nigeria during June 12 1992 is their greatest nightmare. This is why they told you the lie that Nigeria was never united , says who?

If so why did every tribe riot for MKO in June 12 1992?

They won't remind you of this.. these politicians are evil.

Neither APC nor PDP is good they are filled with vile creatures

You seem to be living in another Nigeria. There were no pro-June 12 riots anywhere in Igholand or in the North. All such riots happened only in Yoruba land. On the contrary we had Igbos like Arthur Nzeribe, Chukwumerijie Daniel Kanu fighting against the actualization of June 12 in the service of Abacha and Northerners who anulled the election and vowed that MKO would never be sworn in as president.

Psalmistproject:
Who created south south?
Was it not after the civil war northerners split the region to reduce the powers of igbos and preach to the south south members that they are different from them.
What is the difference between north east and north west? Even parts of the north agrees fully they belong to northern nigeria.
A time will come when the south south will wish they had South Eastern region together with them. But it may be too late. Bakaasi was seeded to Cameroon with considering the indigin sous people inhabiting the place. Funny enough, this land belongs to South south.
The north needs the oil wells in the south to fund their states and sister countries and will rather sell parts or the entire South south to another country of their allegiance to keep the south south to themselves.

South East doesn't need the oil money to grow. Check history, south east used to be among the top regions generating IGR without oil. If I were to be in south south, I will team up with south east to secede from the grips of the north, then later I can demand for my liberation. Igbo enweghi eze, igbos are democrats, if you are a king, that's for your pocket everyone has equal rights.

Unfortunately, Isaac Adaka Boro's experience in the hands of Ojukwu and Ironsi in respect of secession casts a huge question mark on the feasibility of the South South being able to actually seceed from the SE after partnering with them to jointly pull out of Nigeria. Likewise, Nnamdi Kanu's inclusion of them in Biafra maps without any consultantion let alone their consent also proves that such hope of peacefully separating from Biafra post-joint Nigeria exit is at best delusional.

Psalmistproject:
South south is highly divided to become one country. I only pity those of them of igbo descent though they claim they're not igbo, when the time comes, they will remind them they are not core South south.

The South-South is not a single ethnic group, so the question of who is a core South-Southerner doesn't even arise. It is like saying that there are core Nigerians as if Nigeria is the name of an ethnic group or tribe.

Chidex50:
Keep deceiving yourselves,even if that area refuses to join,what of the Igbos that dominates Obigbo/Oyigbo in Rivers state,Igbos in the whole of Asaba,Agbor and other parts of Delta State, etc?Will you Mr Old POSTS Presenter cage them there? Is there anything like South South in your Geographical mathematics?

the present South East was once officially known as "East Central State" and that was during Gowon's administration, and you the natives so identified yourselves. Was there any cardinal direction or point known as East Central back then or even now?

Broveens42:
That's what Nigerian politics does to someone's brain. It makes you not reason straight even if you have to live on 3% of your possession.


Then I ask niralanders. If the so called biafra was about Igbo domination, why were people from so called south south given key official roles in then biafra set up

Your rationalization above is similar to arguing that the holding of ministerial portfolios by the likes of Ngige and other Igbos in this government proves wrong the allegations that Igbos are being marginalized.


Secondly, Edwin Clarke was at logger heads with Obasanjo and always took him to the cleaners even though he was one of the elites during Obasanjo administration, so your theory that his present take on issues is influenced by being part of some cabal somewhere doesn't hold water at all.

Broveens42:
Stale.
Even the so called biafra of old had most Southerners in key offices.

No wonder Dem scrap history to pitch brothers against brothers.

History was scrapped by Obasanjo who in defense of that policy argued that retention of it in the curriculum would always refresh old wounds and create more 'disunity'. However we know that his real intent for scrapping it was to help Igbos in covering up the roles which one-Nigerianists like himself e.g Azikiwe, Ojukwu and Ironsi played in bringing Nigeria to this sorry state. He obviously did that as compensation to the Igbo race for the bloc votes they gave him in 1999 and 2003 elections and that explains why Igbos continue to love, defend and idolize him no matter how wrong his position on issues might be.

yahmohy27:
Do you mean they knew who they were before following them?

You just took it out of my mouth. Don't mind that monicker with his prejudiced pattern of reasoning.

Indispensable85:
Lol......you really sabi the governor well well.
He's a master in propaganda and blackmail. But I doubt if anybody will fall for that again because their eyes don clear.
I'm even surprised how itv news Benin is now exposing the terrible state of infrastructure and failures in his government. I thought they were pro pdp/obaseki?.

Per the first bolded: Recall that Edo State people generally have short memory o. If after Lucky's huge failure in his first term which he got on the campaign gimmick of helping market women with his salary as Oredo LGA chairman, Edo people could again fall for the next campaign gimmick that "a child who fails a class should repeat it" and on that note gave him a second term, what then gives you the conviction that they will not fall again for another cheap talk Obaseki may cook up to whitewash himself over the current rancor he is presently causing within Edo PDP which saved him from the political oblivion the APC wanted to drive him into?

For the second bolded. ITV, like every other torgbarian, is beginning to get disillusioned. You know they all thought they were spiting Oshiomhole without knowing that the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Coldie:
This is why I like Ganduje, sharp sharp he would break that kingdom and form different Emirates under it, then send you on exile.

Imagine where the state wants sth, where u a traditional institution was interfering the FG takes over it.

Imagine

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You obviously don't know anything about the traditional institutions laws of Edo State. Let's even take it hypothetically that Edo State government has the power to dethrone the Oba of Benin, who in the whole of Edo State do you think will accept being appointed to replace an Oba who is still alive, and who among the Oba's own direct lineage will accept to step into the office? Not even the Edaiken of Uselu (the crown prince) will accept such offer. Google Anthony Onyearegbulem and find out why no traditional ruler in the whole Edo State accepted to replace the Oba of Benin on Onyearegbulem's purported sack of Erediauwa as head of Edo State Traditional Council.
Una go just come online dey put mouth for wetin una no really know shishi about.

nextstep:
The artifacts belong to the sovereign in the land, which is currently the Federal Government.

Yes, they were taken from Benin Kingdom, but that kingdom has long ceased to be sovereign, and so it falls to FG to own these artifacts.

If Benin wants to collect, it should become its own kingdom again, independent from Nigeria.

As for the state of Edo, it has no say in the matter.

Nigerian sovereignty was imposed on Benin Kingdom. Remember? Is there any record of the Oba of Benin granting consent to the creation of Nigeria?

CSTRR:
To be fair, I think the obaseki idea would have been the best.

He wanted to create a museum to display these beautiful arts to generate revenue for the state.

The oba wanted it in his palace where it would be probably be under restrictions, and all revenues will go to him alone.

Lai Muhammed will probably put it in his office, because I don't know if there is any federal museum in place.

Those artefacts were never meant for generation of revenue from the public by those who made them in the first instance. They were carved for use in traditional rites in certain cultural practices which the people still do till today and that is why Obaseki, as a Bini man aware of the culture, initially, and as far back as June 2019, agreed with the Oba without any argument that the artefacts would go straight to Benin Royal Museum. So why is he now changing tune?

honeybobo69:
I really look forward to the time in Nigeria when we won't have to deal with 'these set of corrupt people' anymore.. we can do better than this



Don't vote for APC
Don't vote for PDP
Don't vote for the same set of corrupt politicians.

Vote for a new set of qualified, competent and patriotic Nigerians, that are not affiliated or sponsored by these corrupt politicians.

Thank me later.

Please where exactly are you hoping to find such Nigerians?

crossfm:
Thanks for your mention.

I have been following the happenings in Edo state.
If you can recall the invent which took place in front of oba's palace prior to the election. The way the oba handled the issue to me was biased, I stand to be corrected.
Blaming a single party in front of the media to me points to one thing,which is taking side.

He also brought up the issue of what Obaseki's grand father did before the whole world.
From that particular video, he went further to explain how he never gave his approval when Osho told him Obaseki was going to be his successor.

This particular video,and His recent statement was what gave rise to my assertions.

All in all,we need peace in Nigeria.

Those things he said before the camera were all truths which even those he accused couldn't deny. Specifically, he mentioned Philip Shuaibu's sponsoring of violence across the state and Philip couldn't deny it. The Oba of Benin Stool is one that has no use for political correctness, so any Oba on the Benin throne at any era would say things exactly as they are and that is not partisan politics politics but being frank and candid. That also explains why he frankly reminded Oshiomhole of his rather unilateral hence undemocratic decision to annoint Obaseki despite knowing that Obaseki's family has a history of ingratitude and betrayal which Oshiomhole himself was tasting bitterly at the moment. During Abacha's evil government the incumbent's father publicly condemned his colleagues like Ooni of Ife and the rest who were trooping Aso Rock to pledge allegiance to Abacha. To quote him verbatim: "All those traditional rulers giving Abacha moral support are encouraging bloodshed in Nigeria".
His speech about Obaseki's family betrayal history is a fact and was provoked among lots of other issues by Obaseki's stoppage of the Enogies regular meetings with the state government. So you can see that his breaking of tradition to pay Obaseki an official visit just a month into his tenure was a good gesture by which he held out an olive branch to the entire Obaseki family and which Obaseki should have reciprocated in the interest of burying the hatchet about the past ugly history. Now, can you, in all honesty, defend Obaseki's cancelation of the Enogies meetings as a demonstration of good faith and acceptance of the Oba's olive branch? A traitor is always a traitor. It is a genetic trait. Even within the PDP Obaseki defected to he has since reneged on all the agreements he reached with them as conditions to getting their ticket hence the brouhaha, physical assaults, demolition of the opposite PDP faction's members' landed properties in the State, opening a parallel state PDP secretariat, etc. for their 'crime'of insisting that he honours those agreement. When last did you hear Edo State PDP make a public statement in defense of Obaseki? They have in no time seen him for who he really is. Even the Torgbarians have all disappeared from both online and real life. None of them chants Ogbane or Torgba again in Edo State due to the embarrassing disappointments that have been kissing and slapping them in their faces.

Indispensable85:
So who's now controlling obaseki that made him not be able to constitute government 9months after swearing in? Edo is presently on developmental vacation.

Don't mind the likes of Idahosa. They are too ashamed to publicly admit that Obaseki scammed all of them. Even when Obaseki eventually sets up a cabinet, which is likely to be a next year thing, they will be shocked to discover that the old PDP members will not get a single slot and if they dare complain he will again play the victim card of accusing them of pressuring him to share state's resources to them, and the Edo State people will fall for it again.

Quelme:
Emila!!! No go tell that your mumu 3 credit MOU governor make him appoint commissioners. Foolish ogbane governor don break Buhari record... Almost one year after election Edo state is on autopilot...

Even when there was enough money in Edo State coffers the Ogbane governor took 4 months to set up a cabinet in his first term, and on finally setting it up he found it difficult to pay his own political appointees decent wages. Is it now that he has milked the state coffers dry in payment for PDP ticket and overnight membersship that he will appoint commissioners so soon despite knowing fully well that as it is right now there are really no funds to sustain a cabinet in terms of remuneration? Some of his recent strange and obnoxious policies like N50,000 tenement rate per house in Edo State, emergence of EMOWAA project after having initially agreed with the Oba as far back as June 2019 that the about-to-be-returned artefacts would be housed in Benin Royal Museum, refusal to pay AAU lecturers outstanding arrears, closure of nearly all tertiary institutions in the state, refusal to conduct LGA elections, etc are all indications of a desperation
to generate revenues through unconventional methods in order to fill up the dent in the state's purse created by the profligacy which he perpetrated in the build up to the last election in the state.

aribisala0:
Sometimes one wonders how Ibo people define betrayal

In their dictionary, betrayal is when you are independent minded and therefore refuse to sheepishly buy into their whims and caprices or when you refuse to unquestioningly agree to whatever they request of you irrespective of how irrational such request might be.

Captain8:
wike betrayed kanu?
i dont understand... didn't you ipobs and kanu placed bounty on wike?

how come your enemy betrayed you? i dont think those ipob have any brain at all

Now we can understand how illogical they are each time they as well accuse Enahoro, Isaac Adaka Boro, Awolowo, Ken Saro Wiwa and Erediauwa of betraying them during the 1967 Biafra War even though none of these figures ever signed any agreement with them to seek joint secession from Nigeria. Ironically you would never hear them accuse their brother and one-Nigerianist in Chief, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, of betraying them during the war despite he actually initially was on the side of Biafra but later crossed over to the Nigerian side when it began to appear that the Federal forces were finally closing in on Biafran soldiers. In a similar ironical gesture you would never hear them accuse another blood brother of theirs, Arthur Nzeribe, of war time betrayal even though Arthur Nzeribe accepted from the Gowon Government the contract of procuring arms from European countries for the Nigerian side and executed the contract perfectly all through the while that the war lasted. In terms of reasoning I have never in my life seen a group as illogical as Kanu and his Ipobic followers.

frankson1:
I think this is more political. "Maybe" the FG wants to get back at Wike for all his "too much talks". Same thing played out when Amaechi was the governor and Wike, minister where oil wellls in Rivers were ceded to Calabar ... I think.

To Bayelsa State and not to Calabar. And that was part of the causes of Jonathan vs Amaechi face-off

Chuksmonika:
i have said it before.. Lcredit is the worst loan app amongst them.

If you love yourself, just stay away from Lcredit if you're not sure of repaying on time, if you ever default, the damage they will do to your person is rather imagined than experienced.

The best is Branch and Carbon...

Branch no get problem, if you default, they hardly disturb you with calls or messages and they won't add any more money to the loan.

Even if you pay on time, L-Credit will keep debiting the loan amount from your account repeatedly until they empty your account.

DubaiLandLord:
How did APC win in Bayelsa state then? or Bayelsa is now a North Western state?

Don't mind him. He obviously has no use for historical facts else he would have known that most of the people now called SS naturally gravitate more towards the Fulanis-owned party in any party system era. We need to remind him how Alhaji Bashir Tofa a Fulani candidate of the Fulani-controlled NRC had a landslide in Old Rivers State (now split into Bayelsa and Rivers) in the June 12 1993 election that saw North-centric NRC beat the Southerners-favoured SDP with 63% to 30%. Indomie generation children everywhere.

oyeb15:
Wike will blame everybody but himself. Ayade want to have his own platform outside the one that produced him as governor. Ambode tried this in Lagos. Imoke is the father of PDP in CR. Ayade is going into Oblivion after his tenure cos PDP is the only language and tradition the South South States people understand.

APC to the people is Fulani party.

And I guess the Yaradua family which 100% owned the PDM that metamorphosed into PDP in 1998 is a family indegenous to the South-South, right? The truth is that no SS person can openly boast of being a part of those who founded PDP or APC. South-South people have always preferred to wait till the North forms a party for them to join it and begin to chant "One-Nigeria". While we know Yorubas to have at different times founded home based parties like AD, UPN, AG, which they use as negotiation vehicles; and the Igbos too have the record of having founded home based parties like NPP, APGA, YPP, PPP for same negotiation platform purpose; the South-South people are painfully directionless politically and have never formed any party of their own. Had APC come into existence in 1998 and become the Behemoth PDP became, the SS people would have as well accepted it as their own and develop an emotional attachment to it.

Asiseeit:
Swears! Problem is desperation is what drove many people to them. They are really mad. I'm trying to extricate myself from them patapata.

There's one I took from, when it was repayment time I was debited twice. I told their customer agent, she said it's not their problem that I should go to my bank.
My bank confirmed the double deduction and directed me to the loan company's bank. I got there and was told that the account is dedicated to me and though the money went there 2ce, the account is empty as the money has been remitted to the larger parent account.

I called their customer care again, they told me to get lost. What will I do? Me wey no get money just let my 14k go to waste?
I took another loan from them, cleared my bank account and I'm waiting for them to call me to ask me to pay for the new loan. They will see crazy.

That must be L-Credit. A very fraudulent online loan company. Whoever loves himself should avoid L-Credit completely no matter how pressed for a loan one might be.

Judolisco:
I expect u guys to bring proofs of your constitution that states that a traditional king can't be removed... A sitting governor can dethrone anybody – they have the power. That is the way the system is set up. Nobody is above being dethroned. Governors formally appoint them, present them the staff of office and fund their offices.

Unfortunately, this is a faceless forum else I would have loved to take you to where they call Government Printers in Benin City for you to have a copy of Edo State Laws of Chiefs so you see it yourself that Oba of Benin stool is not under the state government.

Petie33:
obaseki CAN NOT AND CAN NEVER dethrone the oba because even if oba dies today his first son will take his place and if dethrone today when he already had a son who will take his sit must be his son so

There is even no law for Obaseki to invoke to dethrone the Oba of Benin. Edo State laws of chiefs are totally different from those of Osun, Kano, Rivers, etc where traditional rulers are appointed by the governor and can also be removed by them.

Judolisco:
I'm not talking about d consequences here... I'm saying d governor can dethrone d oba...

For the umpteenth time, I tell you again that laws on traditional institutions are made by the states legislature and in Edo State there is no such law empowering the governor to dethrone the Oba of Benin.
The Igbinedion family started having issues with Oba Erediawa far before Lucky Igbinedion ever nursed the ambition to govern Edo State. In 1992 when Lucky first ever contested for governor, the Oba opposed him and he actually lost to Odigie Oyegun. However, Lucky would later become governor in 1999 on sympathy votes founded on sentiments of Edo people. As governor for eight years, the battle between the Igbinedion family and Oba Erediawa continued but Lucky could not detrone him because as governor of the state, Lucky simply had no such power granted him by any provision of Edo State laws on traditional institutions.

lexy2014:
I don't need to check my comment bbcos I didn't say anything that explicitly or implicitly implies d state or FG giving anyone orders. How u came up with "order", remains a mystery. If u can produce where u say u saw it my comment, I will be glad.

I dont need to go to Igun street for anything. On d streets of Paris are painters who paint as a hobby and commercial purposes. Doesn't mean that all d items in d french museum are replicas. If people are on d streets carving and sculpturing, how does that now automatically mean that all d items in Benin & Lagos are replicas?

. Why hasn't he laid claim to those artifacts for d purpose of keeping them in d palace as "the rightful custodian"?
Above is the part of your response that made me throw it back to you that why hasn't the state or federal government ordered, with their 'powers and laws' that the ones returned directly to the palace in 2014 be sent to the museum which is owned by the FG and which you argue should be the rightful custodian.
Your analogy with the painters in the streets of Paris has no correlation to the issue here because there is no history of French monarchy specially known for court art painting.

lexy2014:
I don't think that they are all replicas and when u say "recent times", when exactly?

Why does d FG and state govt need to "order" regarding artifacts that were returned in 2014? Where does "order" fit into this discussion? I don't follow

Pay a visit to Benin City today and you will see commercial sculptors carving replicas of Benin Court arts and selling them. In fact there is a district in Benin City dedicated to that business alone. From Benin, take a trip to National Museum in Onikan, Lagos State and there you will see a specially dedicated Benin Gallery where Benin historical court artwork replications carved by commercial sculptors are sold to visitors. So I don't know what you are still insinuating.
As per my use of 'order' check you comment to which I replied.