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babapupa is a loudmouthed coyote that can not be domesticated

T9ksy:
I beg my people, let’s stop kidding ourselves even if others are wont of doing so. Zik was no nationalist. At least, the ilk of TB and Awo says it like it is however Zik with his oratory skills chose to take us “down the garden path”. I won’t even attempt to ascribe the following idiom to only Yoruba culture as am sure most other cultures ( inc. europeans’) do have it in one form or the other,too. “Charity they say, begins at home”. How can you unify a whole group of people when your own family is in discord? How can Zik in that prevailing climate still be hampering on about nationalism? Unless he has an ulterior motive. Was this not the same Zik that killed a “nationalist” party like the NYM only to then proceed to form a sectional party called the NCNC? Was this not the same Zik who said in 1947 (or thereabout) that it seems the great Lord has chosen the igbos to be the liberator of the black race? Was this not the same zik who went on to play second fiddle in TB’s feudalist govt? It was under this guise of nationalist govt that Zik attempt to become governor in yorubaland? Zik's actions belies his rhetorics.Some nationalist indeed! Zik’s notion of nationalism is igbo hegemony in Nigeria. At least, TB did not bother to conceal his intention about the new nation, ditto Awo but not Zik. Typical, isn't it? have to be clever, by halves. How can any rational person contemplate “nationalism” is such an ambience where everyone is watchful of his neighbour’s actions/motives? Now we hear the igbos bragging of owning 70% of Abuja!!!

Someone here refers to zik as an idealist but I say, that’s too complimentary jo. The man is not an idealist rather he’s slimy tribalist who duplicitously adorn himself in a garb of nationalism to mislead his opponents. Thankfully, the ilk of Awo, Enahoro and others saw through his fraudulence in time. No wonder he started off as “Zik of Africa” but however went on to meet his maker as “Nnewi of Onitsha”.


Back to this pseudo-One Nigeria. Were we one before the colonialists came into our midst? No. Is it not truism that the brits merged us into One Nigeria for (their) ease of administrative purposes? Had the brits not done so, would we be debating merging into One country after independence? Hell no! Even after half a century of our independent one Nigeria, can we really say with all conviction that we are one country? No. So it smacks of utter deceitfulness that the great (?) zik could be expending so much energy then campaigning for One Nigeria. Bottomline is, we ‘ll never be One. There is too much to separate us than to unite us.

I can not believe you navigated to this thread with your off-the-wall markers loaded with ill-informed thoughts just to haul scurrilous diatribes against the erudite personality of Azikiwe. I am not writing this post to hold brief for Azikiwe but it amounts to intellectual dishonesty to label Zik as a tribal irredentist. Would you have still-nerves if Zik had written great lord have chosen Yoruba to lead the black race? In 1947 there was nothing such as Nigeria and the inhabitants of what is referred as Nigeria were known by their ethnic make-up. In addition, I guess Zik decided to join issues against the backdrop of loud noises from Yoruba politicians and juju musicians who kept drumming about unfounded Yoruba greatness.

I could not believe a person who would have been seated among literati would blow such an ignorant trumpet. Zik did not kill NYM (National Youth Movement) to form NCNC. I think it is a plain disingenuous act to accuse Zik of harboring ill-informed motives to governor western region of Nigeria which I may add was not exclusively Yoruba land. The last time I checked though, the defunct western region of Nigeria included Yoruba, Urhobo, Edo, Itsekiri, Ijo, Esan and yours truly Igbo lands.

It is unfortunate you have decided to descend to a depthless low to haul insult on the persons of “Great Zik of Africa”. I hope GEJ catches you while you still on the act. If you really understood the mechanics of parliamentary government, you will rebuke yourself for accusing Zik of running second fiddle to Tafawa Balewa.

I had thought you were better than ordinary market women who would readily avail themselves with silly rumors and innuendos. If I can recall correctly, it was alleged that EL Rufai, the former minister for FCT, had insinuated Ndigbo owned 73% of landed property in Abuja. When did Ndigbo brag about Abuja talk less of the owning certain percentage of the properties in the city?

Again, whether Zik was idealist or not, I suggest time will bear his poor soul witness. As for “Great Zik of Africa”, I think it was within the realms of Zik’s personal achievements that propelled his peers to profoundly call him “Great Zik of Africa” because Africa, Zik and some of his peers preceded the colonial contraption called Nigeria. So it was more appropriate Zik’s peers chose to call him Great Zik of Africa than the junk known as Nigeria. There were absolutely nothing duplicitous or tribal about Zik’s endeavors. He has been castigated in certain quarters for giving his children Yoruba-sounding names. 

You got it right when you described Nigeria as pseudo-Nigeria. Also, there is nothing about oneness in the area before the colonialists arrived. However, I guess you are historically myopic or allow recorded events to punk you when you included Zik among those who had expanded energy in the madness called one-Nigeria. Zik campaigned for Nigeria under federalism where regional governments exercise measured constituted authorities. Should you be reminded that Gowon, northern region, betrayal artists and backstabbers from southern Nigeria introduced the madness known as one-Nigeria?

This man is an irredeemable slowpoke. The three leaders Obasanjo castigated in his unfortunate speech for the socio-politico-economic woes of Nigeria were shoulder and head better than him as nation builders. The three men were involved in a democratic federalism and were responsible to their regions. However, the same fool called Obasanjo supported Gowon to merge Nigeria into centralized government made up of states with much constituted authority at the center. This dude has no moral ground to criticize any Nigerian leader without berating himself.

@OP

Did they ever leave?

@Obiagu1


Bros, these conniving individuals could dance all they want but the fact remains federal government of Nigeria is responsible for what is happening in Igbo land in general and Aba in particular. For about 50 years now, there is no iota of federal government presence in southeast region.

This wild accusation against former deputy governor of Abia State smacks intolerant politics. If care is not taken, it will be a crime to include Nigeria in a sentence with democracy.

The situation in Aba and many other cities within Nigeria is apparent indication of failed state. Nigeria is an utmost disappointment. The idiotic governments in Nigeria can deploy a division of soldiers to Aba it will not solve the problem.

Until the root courses of the problems are being addressed by the so-called leaders in Nigeria the situation in Aba shall continue to re-occur. It is a shame that after 50 years of Nigerian independence there is no federal government presence in entire Igbo land in general and Aba in particular. In addition, there have been ghost-like leaderships in certain parts of Igbo land as exemplified by the misguided political support the south-eastern governors are seemingly showing to GEJ.

Please fellows do not get wrong because I am not in any way or form advocating social decadence in our society but I solicit for right approach to be applied. It is very apparent the current situation in Aba could have been avoided.

@babapupa


I suggest you read up punk. When did Nigeria introduce the rank of “Brigadier General” in its military parlance? I guess you need to know that Beajamin Adekunle had been retired from Nigerian army when the rank of “Brigadier General” was incorporated in Nigerian military lexicon. If you do not watch you progress closely, you could remain a dunce forever.

@Ileke-IdI

I guess you are the person who seemed silly and blinded to idiocy in this case because I can not recall to have responded to your post initially. You have referred to me as tribal bigot in post responded to your brother when MaziUche0 informed you to attack babapupa instead. 

If it will take the endeavor of another adult to force you to regain mental equilibrium, it is time wasted in futility to engage you in discussion.

DeLaRue:
Dede1,

You are u so aggressive & primitive.

Ileke agreed, & I concur, that babapupa unnecessarily introduced a tribal slant, & she tried to tell u guys to calm dowm. But your neurotic aggression would lead u to call her a devil!

You r a dumbo

I do not respond to wily idiots such as you.

babapupa:
Sometimes I try to engage you, but your irrelevant trash spitting and mindless hallucinations gets in the way.

Btw, the same  forbearers you are talking about not only whooped your backside, you surrendered to the same forbearers.

Abi didn't the 3rd marine commando led General Benjamin Adesanya Maja Adekunle whoop your backside and didn't your whole Biafra rag tags surrendered to Obasanjo?


I'm game if you won go there today,

I do not banter with political and historical minnows such as you. As an inherent loudmouthed punk, you would not disappoint. Benjamin Adekunle retired as a Brigadier. I am wondering where you whipped out the “General” you attached to his name.

Okay, I got it pal. I guess empty socio-political boastfulness in trademark that has been patented to your lineage. I am not unsettled by your incoherent rants about the civil war because if the war was between the region that produced Obasanjo and Adekulnle and eastern region, you could never have existed.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=522647.msg6847422#msg6847422 date=1285817293]Yes, babapupa was wrong, but retaliating by attacking a whole tribe and bringing up the ra ping of many innocent women to taunt babpupa is devilish as it gets.

You do the same thing anywaz, so why do I bother explaining to you?

Whatever.[/quote]Do you not think it amounts to foolishness on the part of babapupa to insult a man who stood up for girls of his ethnic stock who were despoiled, maimed and killed by the idiotic northern soldiers and politicians?
It is even more devilish for you to defend a person who finds joy in castigating a man who fought for sake of the girls, unborn babies and pregnant women despoiled and killed by northern Nigerians.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=522647.msg6847408#msg6847408 date=1285816560]You could have attacked his person. . . .
Attacking me is not going to solve anything. . . aggressive as usual [/quote]In what aspect should I attack babapupa? I can only ascribe scurrilous diatribe to whatever babapupa represents.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=522647.msg6847398#msg6847398 date=1285816192]It is not coded, if what was said is quite obvious; your post was tribalistic, end of.[/quote]I know you wear lens but do not tell me you are also comprehensibly handicapped.

y'all ibo folks sabi make pesin laff I swear,

Did you understand that the above crap in bold letters are from you brother, babapupa

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=522647.msg6847355#msg6847355 date=1285814119]As usual. . . . triba. . .[/quote]You are rapidly falling into the stratum meant for intellectual midgets such as babapupa. I did not know that you and babapupa have the same father and grandfather. Are you trying very to send me a coded message?

mechris:
These are not true reflection of igbo leadership politically.With due respect to thier age, wisdom and achievement /attainment ,one should have expected better from these folks, unfortunately they have become a disappointment of some sorts. It will encourage you to know that most of these people are politically expired.Most are from Anambra state where PDP has lost it.U dont expect Ohakim to keep mum and allow his state to be an accomplice to the 'unruly' political activities of these losers who do not know when to quit the stage when ovation is loudest.Ekwueme and Simeon Okeke by now should be sitting down at their age and be honorably consulted for their valued opinion and not to be involved in ignominies and be insulted by their son's age mate. The political dynamics now does not favor south east presidency and not until 2023 can the Igbos be clearly positioned to effortlessly take it. This the bitter truth ,and all these people may not be around then.Soludo for one will not rule nigeria.The would be igbo president in 2023 is yet unknown.Ohakim did the right thing. If these were true eastern patriots with no underpinning motives, they could have held the event in Enugu or Awka.The most reasonable thing to do by any avowed easterner is to support JEG , after-all he is ''an igbo man'' affected by mild geographical dislocation,his name ,stature,accent etal betrays him[emphasis mine].

Yes, I heard you about easterners when it is politically convenient to socio-political deviants. I had rather staunchly support Ijo person from Nambe or Okirika than support a would-be Igbo person who hides under the cloak of Ijo.

By the way, the political congregants at Owerre have no intention to deliberate Igbo presidency in 2015 or 2019 or 2023. I gathered they were at Owerre to deliberate on the current wave of politics that seemed to be blowing across the cesspit called Nigeria. Ohakim is a mere political pan-handler. He can line his pockets with money today but tomorrow brings uncertainty.

babapupa:
You mean the same coward wey drop shakabula, off pata and run comot from battle field and left the men and women he led to war suffer and die?

y'all ibo folks sabi make pesin laff I swear,

Shut up your putrid mouth. At least, Ojukwu coughed in front of the aggressor. Unlike your forbearers who apparently vibrated in their pants while standing guard as drunken soldiers from northern region of Nigeria declared open season on their daughters.

I do not see anything wrong with either the political mindset of Tafawa Balewa in particular or northern regional politicians and soldiers in general. They never regarded themselves as Nigerians.

@DatNiggaAk


It is a measured act of irresponsibility for you to indulge in a thoughtless question as posited in the post. There were acts of kidnap in Port Harcourt, Yenagoa, Benin City, Aba, Abuja, Lafia and Kano yet you did not delve into moronic zone of intellectual emptiness to formulate question such as if the cities are the reflection of the beautiful and progressive one-Nigeria Gowon promised and your forbearers fought to uphold.

There have been series of sectarian riots in Kano, Kaduan, Jos and Bauchi yet the dunce in you did not ask if these cities were the reflection of one-Nigeria and the so-called Giant of Africa Gowon, northern politicians and backstabbers from southern Nigeria fought to maintain. There have been ethnical clashes in Ibadan and Lagos yet the imbecility in you did not question if the cities were true reflection of one-Nigeria your forbears fought to keep intact.

For the sake of your inconsequential stupidity, the present situation in Aba would not have been the reflection of Biafra. I shall suggest that the reasons are numerous and avoidable. By the way, I also suggest you ponder more on Nigeria which is reality than imaginary.

DeLaRue:

[b]  Re: The Myth That You Have To Be Corrupt To Get Ahead In Nigeria
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@ Dede1

[b]Nigeria and Nigerians are (a) funny set of created matters (English?). I can not believe individuals who had shown tendency to support the candidature of GEJ, a man who has lost all forms of credibility even to teach first graders (a)lesson on (in) civil obedience, are contributing to a discussion bordering on corruption. Corruption erupts (really, like a volcano?)when people do not respect ordinances, regulations and statutory codes of any form.

GEJ is an embodiment of corruption and a typical bad example for Nigerians. GEJ would have won the pending election with fewer (less) efforts if he joined another party and citing section 7-2C of PDP constitution as his reason.

There are many codes he would like to twist to his favor in future. I wish Nigerians would wish up and hand this man a surprise defeat so that others would learn their lesson.[/b]

Join the campain for plain English

Please, I suggest you quit editing contributor’s posts and spend time on your essay. I prefer to write (Nigeria and Nigerians are funny sets) to your suggested style. You can keep (a lesson in studying civil obedience) too. Also, I chose to write fewer efforts while you preferred (less efforts).  I think (less effort) would have been grammatically correct. However, (fewer efforts) is more grammatically correct than (less efforts). Of course, there are figurative phrase in grammar sets. Corruption can explode or even erupt.


No thanks for your request on joining the campaign for plain grammar. I hope "Join the campain for plain English" is not your signature. The last I checked though, English is an adjectival clause.

Nigeria and Nigerians are funny sets of created matters. I can not believe individuals who had shown tendency to support the candidature of GEJ, a man who has lost all forms of credibility even to teach first graders lesson on civil obedience, are contributing to a discussion bordering on corruption. Corruption erupts when people do not respect ordinances, regulations and statutory codes of any form. 

GEJ is an embodiment of corruption and a typical bad example for Nigerians. GEJ would have won the pending election with fewer efforts if he joined another party and citing section 7-2C of PDP constitution as his reason.

There are many codes he would like to twist to his favor in future. I wish Nigerians would wish up and hand this man a surprise defeat so that others would learn their lesson.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=519780.msg6840573#msg6840573 date=1285720811]Unbelievable!! This is the kind of misdirected understanding that continues to make you people subservient to your Igbo lords, you will ultimately be ruled by them. Mark my word.
I hereby continue with excerps from a recent interview of Professor Ango Abdullahi, former Vice-Chancellor of Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria:

What is your opinion on Edwin Clark and others who have been clamouring for Jonathan to vie in 2011?

This is why I wrote him a letter to remind him. I wrote him a letter personally on why he should tread with caution. We visited Warri a number of times. We had several meetings with the South-South people–mainly Ijaws–in Abuja, and that is how we agreed that they will support a northern presidential aspiration. [b]But they will also want a South-southerner to be the vice-president, specifically, in the words of Edwin Clark, an ‘Ijaw man’. There are several tribes in South-South but he insisted on an Ijaw man. It worked out in the end. I Hope Clark will remember all these. He is not guiding Jonathan along the path of this agreement or understanding that it would get to them, after the North would have run its eight years. And if things work out the way we plan, the South-South will take its turn in 2015. And by that time it is the vice-president from that zone that will perhaps, depending on how he performs, emerge as the president. That was our agreement. But now, they want to disown that agreement and still want the North to support Jonathan to continue as president. Something must be wrong with the way they think.[/b]


Integrity is not a word that comes to mind whenever the name Edwin Clark is mentioned !![/quote]I have never entertained animosity against northern region of Nigeria except during the pogrom and Nigeria/Biafra war. Since after the Nigeria-Biafra war, the assumed animosity I had about the entire civil war shifted to southerners who either cheered or joined the fight on the side of Nigeria/northern region.

The ndu_chuks post which made the revelation about clandestine meeting in Abuja between the northern politicians and so-called south-south where Edwin Clarke insisted that Ijo person should be the VP is enough evidence for Ndigbo and the so-called south-south ethnic groups besides Ijo to take strong inward look among them selves.

My grandfather told me not worry much about an opponent who had a stranglehold on me but never to forgive the onlookers who kept encouraging the opponent to apply deadly pressure. I shall never support any political candidature that emerges from the group of people I would unequivocally call betrayers.

If Ndigbo ride with GEJ candidature, I must conclude that Ndigbo are worse than bunch of educated fools.


Are you insinuating it is all dandy if the Hausa or Fulani or Kanuri or even Tiv rule south-south and taboo if Igbo rule? This is unfortunate and misguided yet parochial stream of thought.

If not for the principles of zoning, how did GEJ emerge as VP to Yar adua? There was absolutely nothing in GEJ resume that set him apart from others. It is only in country populated by fools will determine a leader because couples of mining outfits were situated at the would-be leader place of birth.

Ohakim is a political fraudster who lost his deposit during PDP primaries in Imo State and decamped to PPA. Unfortunately, the moronic cliques created by Obasanjo imposed Ohakim on Imo State.

Nigeria must enact laws that should allow individuals to own and bear arms. I am sick and tired of these hoodlums and imbeciles ruining the lives of ordinary citizens in Nigeria. If Nigerians should look up to took USA in attempt practice democracy, they should equally incorporate certain laws and socio-political activities prevalent in USA too.

GEJ can not lead himself out of Aso Rock. I hate people who break laws and ordinances with measured amount of impunity.

As Beaf stated in his post, I do not wish to muddle in issues such as identity crisis. There are rogue individuals among Ukwuani people who would once a while claim ancestral lineage to Bini or Yoruba or even Hausa.

sbeezy8:
THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THEY HAVE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION (FOR MINORITIES) IN AMERICA BUT AMERICA DOESNT ZONE PRESIDENCYS.- thats just stu.pid

In accordance, USA does not have federal character, quota system and state of origin. I had vehemently argued for abolition of zoning, federal character, quota system and evne state of origin. Unfortunately, if the all divisive measures are abolished in cesspit called Nigeria, the same mouths causing zoning will still turn around to shout about a certain ethnic group dominating everything. I strongly suggest the colonial contraption called Nigeria be disintegrated.

I am still surprise that PDP had not kick GEJ out of the PDP for brazen anti-party activity which will in turn cancel GEJ’s candidature unless he joins another party. In fact, joining another party would not help him because party membership clause requires a certain period a person would have been a member before running for elective office.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=521275.msg6838255#msg6838255 date=1285693213]^^^^^^^^^^^^

I asked you before and you decided not to see my question, so i repeat:

[size=15pt]Dede the lecturer and legal luminary, kindly explain section 7-2C of PDP constitution. please.[/size][/quote]Simply stated, Section 7.2.C of the PDP Constitution, which states “in pursuance of the principle of equity, justice and fairness, the party shall adhere to the policy of rotation and zoning of party and public elective offices, and it shall be enforced by the appropriate executive committee at all levels.”

[quote author=na_so link=topic=521275.msg6838255#msg6838255 date=1285693213]^^^^^^^^^^^^

I asked you before and you decided not to see my question, so i repeat:

[size=15pt]Dede the lecturer and legal luminary, kindly explain section 7-2C of PDP constitution. please.[/size][/quote]Bros, your boy GEJ agreed there was a clause under PDP constitution which upholds zoning and I believed he was referring to section 7-2C of PDP constitution. GEJ should be tagged as a liar by stating that zoning should only come after sthe election Presidential candidates. GEJ is already known as a law breaker too.

Nsiman:
As far as the const'tn of the FRN is concern, zoning is illegal by any political party. We are making gej popular. Ride on gej

Please what section of Nigerian constitution contravened the PDP zoning?

To insinuate federal character is different thing from zoning post in Nigeria is total display of political insincerity. The federal character is an attempt to make sure that every region is represented equally. Zoning is an attempt to make sure that every region is represented equally in having a shot to presidency of Nigeria. If zoning has suddenly become divisive in Nigeria, I say abolish federal character, quota system, resources control, state of origin, geopolitical zones such as south-south and in fact, states. Let us become One-Nigeria in the true sense of it.