₦airaland Forum

BetterScottish:
For your terrorist mind now you don drop quote..lols, Nairaland give some people dry chest to beat like talking drum

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He sounded literate. You dont.

JuanDeDios:
Lol. You seem to have seen the inside (under any circumstances). Or have a close associate who has.

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Any long standing legal practitioner in Lagos should have at some point or the other. Nasty place.

I vividly recall about twenty years ago or thereabouts going for a matter there and in my presence policemen were randomly shooting the knees of robbery suspects as they came in.

Kharol1234:
Yaba Lagos state Nigeria

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What an answer.
When Yaba is already mentioned there.

Anyway the correct answer is that Panti, the great and infamous, is that street off Herbert Macaulay Road where the darkest arts of hell fire are practiced by the police.

PulaPower:
Republicans will lose..

And the Bedophile and bad things would be sent away!

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Amen.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Pootle:
trump has said this numerious times

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Trump Chapter what verse what pls.
I want to go and read the scripture so I can be edified and refreshed, battle ready against all justice, fairness and humanity, and fully committed to racist hypocrisy.

Share, pls brother in Trump, share.

This arrogant woman.

Xxxx

LegendHero:
Jagaban still standing.

No be today trips dey happen. Trump, Biden, and major world leader don trip many times.

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But NOT ONE of them have ever spent over half the year in foreign trips, as this joke did last year.

Datedoboy:
This is not the time to mock the president. We should all remember we will get old. We may not agree with the president at all times but let's not laugh at this please.

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Who is mocking who. Do you know how many days he spent out of Nigeria last year? 196 out of 365. For what. Who does that? And at what age?

Paul Biya once fell in Paris, a nonagerian who spends less than ten days in his country a year, if any.

African leaders can be jokes.

Datedoboy:
This is not the time to mock the president. We should all remember we will get old. We may not agree with the president at all times but let's not laugh at this please.

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Who is mocking who. Do you know how many days he spent out of Nigeria last year? 196 out of 365. For what. Who does that? And at what age?

Paul Biya once fell in Paris, a nonagerian who spends less than ten days in his country a year, if any.

African leaders can be jokes.

I wish him many more such falls

cococandy:
This is who MAGA is.

You guys shouldn’t engage them as if they’re rationale humans.

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Coco. These last three weeks have been revelatory only for those who were previously blind. The sensible saw this long ago.

FxMasterz:
Take your own advice.

Now, tell me. Is the physical realm and the movie realm the same?

Can you act in a movie of your life history where though you are Deepsight, you act as the son of Deepsight in your own movie? If that's possible, why do you need medical attention to understand that God can be anything He wants to be in another realm?

Are you Yoruba? Ask an average Yoruba man the meaning of Babatunde or Yetunde. Maybe from there, your understanding would open. The Yoruba believes that a father can return as a son. This isn't the very concept here but that's the closest thing to what we're discussing.

Too much for someone who claims to have read the Bible extensively.

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Have a pleasant day.

FxMasterz:
But you won't recoil if someone acts as both Father and son in a movie using different costumes. Would you?

It only shows how spiritually illiterate you are. The Father is Spirit and the Son was physical. They were not in the same realm.

Who tells you that the Father cannot jump into the physical realm from the spirit realm to make himself the physical son of Himself?

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You need medical attention.

FxMasterz:
We believe that Jesus has a Father but He Himself is the Father.

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It is statements like this that make one recoil.

FxMasterz:
Because my depth of Bible reading is quite a rarity. I quote chapters without memorizing them due to familiarity. I finished the whole New Testament at age 6. And I've been reading the Bible from Genesis to Revelation several times a year for almost half a century. You cannot read the Bible like I do and become agnostic or start saying God does evil because He said He created evil.

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Quite interesting, nevertheless I would warn you not to assume. I find it hard to understand that a six year old reads and understands the bible fully, but I had fully read it many times by about 14; and have read it many times again over the years. Along with the Quoran and other works of interest. Not that this matters, I am just advising you against assumptions about strangers and chest beating.

Particularly because what we have read does not change what is written there in black and white.

To the topic, if you say there are verses affirming that Jesus is God, does it not then make it obvious that the whole book is immensely contradictory?

Bear in mind we are talking about selected books put together by the Roman Curia by tens of writers across many centuries.

FxMasterz:
What about the several verses that declare the same man as God. I have 3 whole threads deducted to that.

I've read the Bible a whole lot more than you do. You cannot know what the Bible says than I do. All the scripture you quoted are scriptures I know like the back of my hand. And none of those scriptures say the same man CANNOT be God as you claimed.

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How do you know how much I have read the bible? ? ?

FxMasterz:
We do not deny that Jesus was a Man. The scriptures posit that Jesus is both man and God. All the scriptures you quoted above are His man scriptures. We have several scriptures that also speak of Jesus as God. Then, we also have scriptures that unite His Manliness and Godhood in one entity, such as that Corinthians 10:4. In Revelation, there was one throne, and both God and the Lamb were found on the same throne.

A balanced knowledge of Scripture acknowledges Jesus as God and Man. If 1 Corinthians 10:4 says that the Rock of the Old Testament which is Yahweh was Christ. It is heretic to say that Rock is not Christ.

We believe in the whole Bible and not just a part of it. All the God and Man Scriptures of Jesus in the Bible are Devine and are believed by true Christians.

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Several verses there make it clear that that same man cannot be God and I don't need to read them for you one by one, do I?

HacheNoire:
Are you sure you know the animal you talking about?

A snake will crawl into a cats territory and it will ignore?

Are you aware cats are more territorial than dogs even though they rarely attack humans?

That animal is more sensitive to his/her environment than a dog.

No way a cat won’t see it, except that cat does not reside in that house.

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Men you sef tried to help that chaps case. Its sad to see ignorance strut proudly in broad day light, and even refuse enlightenment in this day and age when anything can be checked at the tips of your fingers!

Kalulu44:
Brain54 what did I just hear you say. That cat will do I don't care to a snake?
It's on the 6th of this month I was moved from the farm I was working since August last year.
The farm is inside a village that's surrounded with bushes and also has Bush inside it.
Till I left I never saw a snake at all. The were 5 cats inside the farm, 4 kittens and their mother. Those cats makes sure no snake sees the light of the day. The people I met there said they used to be snakes, but since they brought those cats, they have finished hunting them.
In my presence there, I used to see those cats tearing lizards to pieces. Abeg no let them hear am, cats no dey use eye see snake, e go rush am sharp sharp

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I tire for the guy. And look how he is defending his ignorance against everyone!

Kukutente23:
I see you're still going about petulantly fighting people over their refusal to take your unsolicited advice

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Yes, it is a very nauseating thing common on Nairaland. A person will say that the Earth is flat, and you tell him, no it isnt and show him how, and he feels demeaned at once so will insult you. That chap there insulted everyone who simply told him the nature of cats without insulting him. Its tiresome.

Anyway, how have you been?
I did say we should devote to theology.

tctrills:
I cant adress all your verses, but I will address just 3 or 4. I am sure the few answers I present will be useful to your other verses.

1. I Tim. 2:5 - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ
This verse is not saying that Jesus Christ is not God. Remember, Jesus Christ already told you that I and my Father are one.
John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Being one God with the Father doesn't mean they are the same person, but remember, They shear the same throne.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.[/b]
No doubt, Jesus Christ has a Father, but He and His Father are one God. The question is, how can two people be one God? But then, we first need to answer the question, What is God? How do we even define God using the bible? Is God the name of a person or an exalted state of being?
Remember the words in the scripture,
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
This means that even man can attain the state of Godhood.
Being one God with the Father is like saying Trump and Vance are one government. Is Trump greater than Vance? Yes. But would it be wrong to say that they make up one Government eventhough they are 2 complete and distinct individuals? I guess you are seeing the picture now.

I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God
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The explanation above also goes for this.

[b]D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”
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This is a good one, and maybe the last I will respond to.
Remember when Christ was on earth, He did not come with His glory. John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
In fact, we are told that He was made a little less than the angels, Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
So in that state, only the Father we befiting of such glory and honour.
But after His resurrection, Christ said. Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
He became almighty (Having all power). And all glory, honour, and praise was due to Him.

I believe these answer most of the points and explain the verses you quoted.

You must also note that Jesus Christ was God and Jehovah of the Old testament but the New Testament showed a different side of Him. It showed Him as the Son of God.
But don't be confused by this, the Son of a Lion can only be a Lion as the Son of God is God.

The Bible teaches one Godhead, not one person (John 17:3; John 10:30 understood as unity).
The Father and the Son are distinct beings, united in will, purpose, and glory (John 17:11, 22).
The Son is divine, pre-existent, creator, worshiped, and identified with Jehovah (YHWH) in the Old Testament (John 1:1–3; 1 Cor. 10:4; Heb. 1:10).

These premises allow both:

Jesus to be God, and

Jesus to be subordinate to the Father.

Subordination ≠ non-divinity.

The Father is God

The Son is God

They are one in purpose, not one person

Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament:

Creator (John 1:3)

Rock of Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)

“I AM” (John 8:58)

Worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:

The verses you listed do not deny Christ’s divinity.
They define His relationship to the Father.

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The verses are clear. But just to pick on one example. He himself explained what he meant by "I and the Father are one" by going further to explain - just as you and I are one. Now, are you Jesus?

Here is his explanation of that oneness as he prayed it -

John 17:

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


Look at the bold. Are you the same person as your Christian brother? So obviously he was talking of unity, not being the same person.
Same oneness as described in marriage. That does not make you your wife, abi are you your wife?

Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.

But most of all your answer is riddled with the contradiction of saying that Jesus is not the same person as God and yet he is God. You cant untie that knot. It is an irredeemable contradiction.

tctrills:
You have your chance to show evidence. If you have nothing to show, we would not take you seriously.

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I have addressed this many times on this forum and here are the verses I have repeatedly cited. cc FxMasterz

D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

CTee1:
The world can feel a bit lonely…do you play chess? Maybe we could play together sometime 😊

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So long as it's not dot oh.

brain54:
Dey go...

As I said you are just seeking attention. Bye!

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From who? Joker.

Look let me just tell you something important in life kid: being teachable is a huge advantage to anyone.
Pompously being unteachable is a huge disadvantage.
Good luck.

brain54:
Cats are nonchalant and less aggressive compared to dogs...

Go and do your research well and come back!

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Not with snakes! I gave you videos as starters. They are very very aggressive, and will even hunt them out every time.

Besides both words you use are just wrong for Pete's sake: you can never describe a cat as nonchalant or non aggressive when it comes to either prey of predators around it.

Next thing you will apply this thinking to claim that dogs hunt mice better!

You are just describing the lazy coolness of cats as seen in human relationships.

Even wild cats have that demeanor but NOT around anything that could be a threat!

brain54:
Inform yourself first before others...

Read my comment you quoted and see where your error is.


Stop quoting me if you have nothing to say and seeking attention!

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I have addressed that as well. Cats are naturally curious and always are drawn to investigating such creepy creatures as snakes so you are still wrong. But enjoy!

brain54:
Did I tell you cats don't strike faster than snakes...

Or you have a problem with comprehension?

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Pride. You will insult anyone trying to simply inform you. You spoke about the cat being withdrawn and unconcerned but the reverse is true. Cats are the most curious creatures. That they can be cold to you as a human does not change this. The saying "curiosity killed the cat" did not come from nowhere.

Abeg whatever. Believe whatever you like.

shortgun:
You don't know cats.
Their speed and agility make them tricky for snakes to hit.
Cats often instinctively attack snakes always swatting and avoiding bites.
Of all the pets people keep, cats are snakes nemesis because no snake can strike faster than a cat.

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The chap called me a "mugu" for educating him on exactly that.
How some NL kids respond to simple information with insults over what they dont know never ceases to amaze me.

brain54:
Mugu seeking attention...

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Na wah for this generation oh. Attention how? Simple fact about the animal kingdom I was trying to advise you on, I don become mugu.
And yet you know nothing of what you are saying.

Enjoy - - - >

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q1KYZvo-XPU

And if you have a few minutes you can watch this as well. Cos the above will school you in just a few seconds. The below is longer.

From your dear ignorant attention seeking mugu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHzC4k4DY0

brain54:
I obviously wasn't talking about wild cats...


Or cats taught to kill suspicious looking critters


It's obvious I was talking about home cats/pets wasn't it?

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Notwithstanding. They are lethal against snakes and kill them nine times out of ten on account of greater speed and faster reflexes. Again, dont take my word for it, look it up.

brain54:
I don't think a cat would care...


If the snake doesn't cross it's path directly. I think his dogs are little and didn't notice it.

A dog is in a better position to attack the snake if it notices it more than a cat.


Cats are I don't cares... don't bother me I won't bother you.


Op from the patterns that's one of the adder family - night adder most likely.

Adders are poisonous and dangerous. It's best you fumigate your premises!

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Its obvious you dont know much about either dogs or cats. Dont reply without googling your position because you will not believe the truth from my lips.

Fenrir:
Some golden age 😂😂

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Joker.

Fenrir:
Ol boy, your insults are none of my concern.
You're close to 50 and dual nationality? Congratulations. So am I. The difference is I used my years to learn Nigerian constitutional law while you apparently used yours to perfect the art of throwing tantrums when someone knows more than you.
You mentioned I come across like a kid for a reason? Here's what actually comes across: a middle-aged man so threatened by legal facts that he abandoned all pretense of intellectual engagement and went straight to "go back to the North Pole."
Pathetic.
You invoked the "golden age of Nairaland" with its "First Class posters" writing with "pin point academic accuracy and excellence." Then you proceeded to contribute nothing but personal attacks, nationalist gatekeeping, and the intellectual equivalent of a toddler's meltdown. Those golden age posters would be embarrassed to share a forum with this performance.
You called me obsessed, a kid, pathetic, low class, told me to leave Nigeria, leave Nairaland, go back to Scandinavia. Every single one of those insults exposed exactly who you are: someone who cannot handle being corrected, so you reached for the oldest playbook in existence.
Attack the messenger. Question their motives. Tell them to leave. Suggest they're obsessed.
It's almost impressive how unoriginal you are.
You asked why I'm on a Nigerian forum? Because I live here. I've raised my daughter here. I've been here long enough to know the difference between culture and law, and long enough to recognize when people like you lie about both.
You told me I'm "pathetically obsessed" and need to "find a job and a purpose in life."
Rich coming from a man who just wrote multiple paragraphs of emotional vomit instead of addressing a single legal citation. Who's obsessed, exactly? The person presenting case law, or the person having a breakdown because they can't refute it?
You said you "could have nothing to do with anyone of such a low class."
Good. I prefer my conversations with people who can actually think. You've demonstrated you're not qualified.
You finished with patronizing dismissal because when you have lost completely, when you have no argument left, when you've been intellectually outmatched and know it, you retreat to condescension.
Predictable. Boring. Defeated.
I don't need your approval. I need people like you to stop lying about the law, stop pretending culture grants you authority you don't have, and stop throwing tantrums when someone knows more than you.
But since you can't do any of that, how about you take your own advice?
Go find something better to do than embarrass yourself on a forum you claim to respect. Maybe then the "golden age" posters you idolize won't have to witness you dragging their legacy through the mud with your mediocrity.
Good night, old man.
Try harder next time.

Got banned you ran away

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Didn't read any of this. Good luck.