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ono:
Deep_blind (won't call you DeepSight), the difference between Christianity and Islam is that while you have Islamists - like the professor bas quoted up there still preaching and admonishing their adherents to follow 7th century "teachings", Christianity has evolved over the years to do away with all you have quoted from the Old Testament.

You will never see a "Christian Professor" teaching people to do anything slavery in the 21st Century! Now, if you don't have anything meaningful things to share, please back off!

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I agree with you, Christianity certainly does not teach these things and has evolved. I was only pointing out the fact that these are contained in the OT as well.

I may well add that the NT preaches that slaves should obey their masters. thereby endorsing slavery. But as you said, it has evolved.

Islam remains significantly backward in many places.

raumdeuter:
Logic makes your mind shut down. Thats a problem with upbringing and education

Its been a failure of previous Republican and Democratic president to address the Iran issue especially Obama who sent them money which they in return distributed to their proxies to make the US less safe

Now Iran has missiles that can reach 4000km, they have advanced their enrichment programs while expanding their proxy networks

International policies is not for s00y boyz

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Obama did not send them money. He returned their own money to them under an agreement and terms.
Go school, you no go gree.

basilico:
For those who say I hate Islam.
I learn about Islam from what their clerics preach or what their scholars say , not from what someone here who has studied the Quran says.
This one is not taken out of context,as the excuses always go "provide full context ,blah blah"

Flashback: An Egyptian professor from Al-Azhar University appeared on TV to lecture the world’s “Islamophobes,” about the right of Muslim men as superior human beings to kidnap and enslave non-Muslim women and girls in order to rape them. She says the non-Muslim women and girls… pic.twitter.com/IUql5swJWU

— Liza Rosen (@LizaRosen0000) January 26, 2025

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To be clear there are similar teachings in the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 21:10–14
"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou thou hast humbled her."

Numbers 31:15–18
"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Deuteronomy 20:13–14
"And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee."

Judges 21:20–23
"Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.

Image123:
It's your turn as opposition, remember? It's not APC's job to strategize or complain for opposition. If the strategy works for you, use it. Someone once promised air conditioning on the streets.

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No shame.

WizardofNG, Image123, Seunmsg, Richtaiwo.

triplechoice:
You replied with "uncreated divinity", followed by a question mark. That does not answer the questions I asked

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With a question mark to indicate that I am not certain either.

If your answer is "uncreated divinity" (which is not the same as the "base reality" you started with). you still haven't explained what that is; how it relates to simulation, or why it should be called a simulation.

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Why would it be different from base reality?

"Simulation", "real", and "unreal" are human labels we apply to our perceptions. Ultimate reality, divine consciousness, would not perceive things the way we do. So even if we accept that something uncreated exists, ( It exist) it does not automatically mean this world is a simulation of it. It only means we have a certain perception, and perception, as they say, is not reality..

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Indeed perception is only cognitive reality.

triplechoice:
What are they simulating?

Uncreated divinity?

triplechoice:
I think you misunderstand Lordreed. From my past interactions with him, I know he is open -minded enough to listen to any alternative explanation outside the sciences, as long as it makes sense and can be supported by some evidence, which doesn't have to be scientific evidence.

At the beginning of this conversation, he repeatedly asked you and the other person, "How do you know" . The question signified that he was willing to consider any other explanation you could provide . He didn't demand scientific evidence , he only asked a simple question which you replied to with the culled extract you provided ,which didn't prove anything.


I have discussed the soul, reincarnation and OBE on this forum., and each time, I have issued a disclaimer that they find no scientific support in the sciences or among mainstream scientists, but does not mean they are not true.

I sense you are hesitant to confidently discuss what you know for fear of being labelled gullible for believing in woo -woo stuff by those who easily dismiss anything not supported by mainstream scientists. This shouldn't be.

If you have a method share it. If you have a direct experience , describe it , and let the evidence speak for itself. Anyone who would dismiss them without examination was never interested in any sincere conversation with you.


Not t every truth in the world is scientifically explained. Most people don't know this. The placebo effect, for instance, is used in drug testting and is true , yet it is not scientifically proven. It can be rationally explained to some extent,but not as detailed as scientifically proven truth. Scientists don't know what causes the placebo effect.

Not being able to put it into words is your own difficulty, not proof it cannot be done. Even Juju, as mysterious as it is , can be rationally explained, how much more the soul, which so many people have directly experienced

I wish you would reply me. You hardly reply to me, and don't know why. If you did I would prove that those things you claim cannot be put into words are, in fact, easily explained

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My dear triplechoice. Know that I do not ignore your posts. This particular subject is a difficult one and thats why I have tarried in terms of moving it forward even with Reed. I still hope to do so.

Also much of what you wrote in this thread concerned chieveboy and not me per se.

Let me say however that you are right in your sensing that I am hesitant to share some things. I know that the astral / ethereal worlds are real because I frequent them consciously. I know the process it took me to get to the stage where I can consciously and knowingly frequent those worlds which are just astride this physical world, in a manner of speaking, just beside it. I know how real those worlds are and I know that we all dwell in those worlds simultaneously with this world. Sadly this is not a thing one can ever prove to anyone until the person gets to experience it himself or herself at his or her own time if it is meant for him or her.

Sonnobax15:
. I wonder why this wicked act is very common among the female folks.

This is so inhumane and I hope the imo satet govt won't take it lightly with her..

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Some women have a terrible sadistic impulse towards children not of their womb who co habit with them. Especially where there is any possibility of competition with their children, however remote.

osazsky:
how many Israeli don die then compare it to Iran..if it's residential building been destroyed just ignore it cuz it would be erected within days the Jews are d richest in d world..I doubt if Israel has up to 50 casualties as at of now can't say same for Iran way they pursue 3000

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I hope you know Israel highly censors information regarding its casualties. I am not saying they would match Iran's but just keep this in mind.

Anyone who doesn't know this already is either asleep or an ethnic jingoist.

benalvino3:
There is nothing absurd in what I said. Even when the government allocates cash for a program, it is looted. The level of corruption is too much.

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I agree with that and it is a fact. My question is why can you only argue for your masters. Why can't you apportion blame in a balanced way?

We all know the level of corruption and manipulation the west exercises up till today in Africa. Why do you defend them one hundred per cent and only accuse us? Are you being paid, HN?

OriOko88:
US and Israel do not see this pezezkhan as a threat. If not he too would hv been sent to Al janah. Though iv never seen where the man condemned Israel or say death to America.

He's more a ceremonial president who doesn't hv any authority or influence in the muallah's rogue g8vt

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He is not ceremonial. The roles are just different.

Elusive001:
Bros leave propaganda alone.

What has Iran done to Israel so far?

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Either you are joking or you think only the life of Generals count.

benalvino3:
All the aids the US has been given were all looted. They should pay reparations

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This is an absurd argument.

In the first place it's a different matter.

In the second place neo colonialism extracts far more than any aid the west gives or has ever given. Just go and see what France has been taking from Francophone West Africa till date.

In the third place I still have to ask who appointed you lawyer for the West. Why are you fighting tooth and nail to argue their case. Why can't you at least argue a balanced case on both sides?

HN.

Kuuuuuuuuu. . . . . . .

benalvino3:
Oga, why should brits fight and kill themselves when they can settle with cash? That's common sense.

The Americans fought and killed themselves.

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Not a problem, I mentioned a second part. If you settle the oppressors with cash, you should also settle the victims. That would be consistent with logic since you abolished it on the recognition of its barbarism and inhumanity and also for the fact that you profited massively from their blood and sweat.

benalvino3:
You’re confusing lack of surviving documentation with lack of institutional structure.

W. African and trans-Saharan systems did not produce or preserve records in the same volume or format as European Atlantic systems, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t state organized.
Mali and Songhai empires taxed trade, regulated routes, and controlled commerce across the Sahara. That is institutional involvement even if it wasn’t recorded through corporations, insurance contracts, and shipping manifests like the trans-Atlantic system.

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I told you from the onset that part of the reason is records. Didn't you get that. I said that is part of the reason that people today will focus on the Trans Atlantic.

I also mentioned timeline.

A thousand years ago was a different universe. The Trans Atlantic is closer in time and in civilizational continuity.

basilico:
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Should Africans whose ancestors were enslaved pay the British for stopping the trade. If it wasn't stopped we could still be slaves.
Should Arabs pay Africans.
Or have we moved on,no need to dwell on the past injusticea which will never reoccur

BTW, All this is in jest.

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The only reason I have an issue with reparations is that it will be far too complex and well nigh impossible to determine who should get what.

benalvino3:
What's right is paying to free the slaves. When abolition is forced without compromise, it can lead to massive violence. I already mentioned the American Civil War. Britain chose to pay to end slavery quickly and avoid that scale of destruction.

Why do you have problem with that?

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Once you recognise something as barbaric and inhuman you should not compensate for it. And if you do, you should also compensate the victims through whose blood and sweat unspeakable wealth was derived for you. That is what is fair.

LordReed:
I don't really understand why a dead body would make you think life is fake given what we know about life. A dead body behaves exactly how it should under the circumstances. If it behaved differently, I'd have understood but it doesn't. Even if it was a program why would the programmers let you think that it was a sign of life being a program? That to me is a sign it isn't a program/simulation or else they'll just programmed that thought away. Which leads to your mention of our easily manipulated perceptions. If there was some shadowy behind the scenes manipulation going on, why are they leaving you with such thoughts? Why haven't they easily manipulated away your perception of this universe as a simulation?

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My dear brother and friend.

You see, one thing I have noticed about you is that hard physical science is always required to convince you of anything. While understandable and even praise worthy in some instances, it is severely limiting because there is so much more to our experience of this reality than physical science can cover or account for. If we were limited to what physical science can account for, we would all be vastly poorer for it.

This factor has often stumped me in conversations with you because I struggle to put in words of physical science things that actually don't belong there. Things that belong in the meta physical, the spiritual and the experiential.

But think about death. Really really think about it. The challenge we have is that you see the body and the individual as one and the same. I know very well they are not the same. One is a vehicle or tool for the other. A covering for the other.

But think about it. The human beings you relate with on a daily basis are much more than flesh and blood. The faces you see are just that, masks. We have gone through this extensively on the Mind and Matter thread and arrived at no agreement so I will not bother to rehash it here.

I will only say that death presents us with the chance to see that this machine can be stopped. That it can be switched off. And that infers a measure of limitation to its function. The very fact that it can cease to experience a reality which is still going on while it has ceased tells us that it is only part of a wider programme and operation, a piece which can be taken out of that program and operation, unplugged, so to speak. And when unplugged we can see it in all its worthlessness - static and unalive on a true sense because it is unplugged from the ongoing operation. With reflection, this tells us that it was only a tool being used for a partial and particular experience of a larger program or operation and it can exhaust its time, its energy or even its usefulness. There is something inherently made up and artificial about that. An original thing would be one and the same with the operation, and incapable of being "unplugged" from it in such a manner.

In short, it would be incapable of death.

I know this will not resonate with you but it is very hard to put into the scientific words you prefer and insist on. Because it is not a matter of physical science as I said.

Moving on to the fact that it is possible to manipulate our perception.

This is an even bigger proof and it is closer to science. Dwell on it carefully.

1. What we perceive is even a limited and selected range of what is around us. We only perceive based on the capabilities fixed in our physical bodies, we see a very very very small spectrum of what is around us, we feel, smell and hear only a tiny portion as well. This is scientific fact as you know.

2. And yet the little that we perceive can easily be changed! One mushroom, one narcotic and you would be seeing and feeling completely different things! In fact your brain can be manipulated by any amount of methods including chemical methods such that you completely see or hear totally different things and even things that are supposedly non existent! This is extremely telling and demonstrates that the entire experience is changeable and this fact alone severely undermines the reality of everything. It shows that the whole thing could be and likely is a show, a sham and made up. The very fact that you can hallucinate proves this.

Let me not forget to add that I am still not asserting all the above as definite facts. This life is way too mysterious for me to do that. All I am doing is trying to let you see that many things may be possible and we cannot be limited enough to rule out much.

It is entirely possible that your life is a dream and you wake up at death on a bed somewhere else where you have been napping for just a short time and that nap was this life.

PS: Did you ever watch the movie Inception? A dream within a dream within a dream?

And have you ever had a dream and woken up to find that you were dreaming? Then woken up again to find that you were dreaming that you were dreaming and woke up?

benalvino3:
BS on the bold.
the Trans-Saharan trade was the institutional foundation of West African statehood for nearly a millennium.

It was organized and institutional just differently conducted through established trade routes across the Sahara.

It was controlled by states and empires, such like
Mali Empire, Songhai Empire Kanem-Bornu Empire etc. Integrated into Islamic commercial networks
Regulated by laws, taxation, and customs systems
caravans were organized, financed, and protected. Its is not some pirates of the Carribean BS you are implying

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Pls show me the corporation's involved. The lists and records of slaves and slavers, the records of transactions. The state to state records of diplomacy governing the trade. The records are simply not there or at worst so barely that you can never compare such records to that of the Trans Atlantic and thus you can never say that the institutional involvement was comparable. This is the point.

benalvino3:
If African did not refuse why did Britain bombed Lagos and forced chiefs to sign the treaty?

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What treaty?

They do guns buy back too. Americans fought a civil war over it. Britain paid to free the slaves. I don't get you people sometimes.

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So you feel it was right for slavers to be compensated but not slaves. Are you aware that Britain only finished paying in 2015?

basilico:
Arabs were interested in overpopulating their harems. Harem is an Arabic word,another "good" contribution from Muslims to humanity.
You've seen Boko Haram and ISIS do this too. Capturing and selling slaves especially women
Has a lot to do with Islamic teachings if you must know.
Men were castrated to prevent them reproducing the black offspring , they were also sexually abused.
Millions and millions of slaves taken in by Arabs than those who went to be today's black Americans.
BTW Obama your god, is no byproduct of slavery.

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I know all this.

As per Obama, so what?

GracieX3:
Was it Africans refusing to stop slavery?

What is this one writing?

Are you aware that slave owners got reparations in America?

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Benalvino3 will not avert his mind to this. Not only were slave owners compensated but the cost was so huge that Britain only paid off the debt in 2015.

benalvino3:
Lmao, haven't you been following my post or you are being dishonest. My anger is Ghana wanting reparation for product they manufactured and sold. They want reparation from the buyers, a specific kind of buyers while they kept quiet on buys from the Trans Saharan part.

My main issue is that they are rating the atrocities instead of saying we all did this it's bad. They singled out the transatlantic, mainly US and Britain, countries that bombed them to stop slavery.

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Interesting.

The timeline of the Trans Saharan is problematic. We are talking about from about a thousand years ago and much of that was East Africa also. That timeline creates a situation in which it is hard to press the issue because in the first place there were little to no records unlike the Trans Atlantic trade which was meticulously recorded and in the second place institutions didn't or barely existed.

As regards institutionalisation let me make this clear. The Trans Atlantic trade was conducted at an institutional level. States were involved and international corporations were involved. Insurance companies were involved. At the local level kingdoms were involved. So this was a highly organised institutional and industrial scale operation.

You cannot say anywhere near the same thing about the Trans Saharan trade which was more like a rogue pirate operation.

benalvino3:
Nathan Nunn 2008

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https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/123/1/139/1889789

Interesting that even this abstract shows a co relation between slavery and the economic performance of African countries today. This might interest TV01.

I still haven't seen where it says Trans Saharan exceeded Trans Atlantic

benalvino3:
Nathan Nunn 2008

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Be specific. Link, or work and pages etc.

benalvino3:
His point is that while everyone wants to condemn the slave trade, their involvement was modest, and they joined Britain to fight to abolish slavery. They had a civil war to free the slaves, and they granted slaves citizenship, while many countries sent their slaves away.

The moment they say slavery, the US comes into people's minds because of how they have demonized them.

Brits had to go to war with other European countries, bomb Lagos, etc. To force the stop of slavery.

1 in 5 of their Navy sailors died from the fighting and malaria. I don't know why black people always play victim and run away from responsibilities. You guys always come off as US vs THEM all the time. It's a bit like how racist white men behave.

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It's sick th way you try to whitewash the slave masters. Even if we agree that black people had co responsibility why would you consistently try to exonerate whites completely? Why?

VOsimhen144:
The day politicians and private owners begin to see Nigeria as their TRUE home, that's the day Nigeria will be a better place.

Black skin is a curse. I regret the day I was born as a black man, I wish I was a white guy. Even the white Africans among us (morroco, Egypt etc) are doing far better then we the real Africans. Why? Why?

In 2026 we are still crying to the government for Ordinary stable electricity, bad roads everywhere, etc..

Is not as if there is no money to get these amenities done. the money is just looted and embezzled everyday for personal use.

Black skin is cursed with greed and selfishness.

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It's nothing to do with the colour of your skin.

benalvino3:
NSA and Mossad have backdoor to Apple by the way and Apple can't do anything about it because they don't know the exploit

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I recall an instance some years ago when even the NSA had difficulty breaking into an Apple phone.

I think they eventually did but it wasn't easy at all.

benalvino3:
Actually it did. More people overtime spread into Millennium. Their focus was women while transantlantic main focus were men.

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Sources pls.