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FxMasterz:
Yeah, God has a divine council, but these Scriptures did not mention the place. Even 'the midst of the gods' is not a place.

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The question that is key is the presence of the Lord because you should wonder if evil can be in the presence of the Lord - especially since you yourself said the Lord cannot stand sin. You yourself said it "irritates" him. So stop contradicting yourself.

Now, Job 1:6 - here is the expanded context - (note the bold portions).

6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” 9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

Now look at 2 Ch 18 and tell me with a straight face that this does not disclose the location -

“Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the heavenly host standing on his right and on his left. 19 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
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Can you look at the bold and tell me that does not refer to heaven? With the reference to the throne and the heavenly host before the Lord? If you claim that it does not, frankly I will see no reason to believe that you are being serious going forward.

It is also impossible to read Daniel 7 (even though its a vision being described, and fail to see that it refers to heaven.

Daniel 7:9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. 10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.

Here is Isaiah Chapter 6:1.

1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying.

If you insist that this does not speak about heaven, I have no choice but to leave you alone as I will be forced to conclude that you are deliberately making a joke of the discussion.

Musty112:
No one is compelled to tip key? Have you have of "if you cannot afford to tip, you cannot afford to eat there"?

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Its not a hard and fast thing. No one tips a grumpy waiter for example.

RichBoy247:
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Bribing and corruption has made this one not to know what is right from what is wrong. Tipping is nonsensical

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This is simply unenlightened and comes across as what someone who is untraveled would say.

FxMasterz:
He is not just God. He is also man.

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Doesn't matter so long as you say he is God as well.

Musty112:
What philosophy pls? A philosophy that tempts workers to treat one customer better or worse or even resent someone just because they did not do extra after paying for their food. What if they did not have? What if they had other commitment. What if everyone in every industry begin to ask for a tip. No matter how you shroud it, tipping is charity and one should never be forced or embarrassed or blackmailed emotionally to give it.

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No one is compelled to tip, and yes, you are right that it would be wrong to ambush, intimidate or emotionally blackmail anyone into doing so. Nonetheless it is wrong to assume that it is inherently wrong to tip and furthermore you cannot complain that anyone is extra nice to a generous giver.

Musty112:
Spiritually dark because he is reserved against modernized begging?. I know he renders sevice too in one form or the other and it is only fair that you state your price that would enable you to sufficiently cater for your business and workforce without parading around as entitled beggars.

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You dont don't understand the philosophy of tips.
It is also one thing to say you may not give tips in some instances but quite another thing to say or suggest that it is inherently wrong to do so, ever.

Kaczynski:
No, i won't tip besides i'm not her employer so why should i do such a thing .

tipping is nothing but an extortion mechanism dressed as gratitude.

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People like you are spiritually dark and reduce the light of enlightened and loving humanity.

Please try to stay away from restaurants and as much as possible DO NOT engage any service men or women to do any odd jobs for you, do them yourself.

You will be doing the world a favor.

Jeez.

FxMasterz:
I'm trying to let you see that you don't understand the Bible at all. Yet, you've made a lot of wrong conclusions about the Bible's God based on inadequate knowledge. See how you're reading the Bible. Very flawed. Let me give you a scripture and let me see whT you'll learn from it:

John 1:51: "And he said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”

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Pls just tell us where such meetings are likely to hold if not in heaven, thanks.
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God is irritated by sin. It can't stay where God stays.

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How then could Jesus bear the sin of the world on the cross if he is also God?

FxMasterz:
Yeah, God has a divine council, but these Scriptures did not mention the place. Even 'the midst of the gods' is not a place.

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I dont think even you believe in this excuse.
Perhaps the Divine Council of gods meets in Hell or on Earth?

The words in each verse I cited are more than just suggestive as to the "where."

Be serious please. Dont make one begin to think you are willing to make excuses that no one could take seriously.

FxMasterz:
Can you answer that question yourself and show us where the Bible claims God holds His council?.

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Job 1.6
2 Ch 18:19-22

Psalm 82:1 - "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment."

Daniel 7: 9-10

Isaiah 6 :1-8

Jakumo:
Barrister DeepSight, the dispassionate, inquiring tone with which you have sought more definitive information about the aftermath of those missile strikes, contrasts sharply with the mocking, and almost jubilant air in evidence when a few other Nairaland contributors simply declared their uninformed presumptions about what the absence of bomb-damage photographs meant to them, in the limited context of their shallow thinking.

While I too am somewhat puzzled about the US decision to keep all bomb-damage photographs out of the public realm for now, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that hundreds if not thousands of Islamist terror hoodlums were smoked on Christmas night in Sokoto State, and thus reduced to charred remains that are no longer capable of participating in the ongoing genocidal invasion of Nigeria.

Here's hoping that the bombardment will soon resume on a larger scale and much wider geographical spread, as the good year 2026 kicks off.

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I am hoping so too.

Jakumo:
The wishful-thinking closet supporters of Islamist terror in Nigeria are obviously electing to misinterpret the US military's reticence to publicly share video clips of the twisted and fragmented cadavers that resulted from the long overdue Christmas night US air strikes in northern Nigeria.

Those barely-hidden terrorist supporters prefer to convince themselves that the absence of any crispy critter photographs showing terrorist corpses thus far being published online by US authorities, must mean that that $20M worth of missiles launched from ships and drones over 90 minutes commencing at midnight December 25th, 2025, did not strike their assigned targets.

Rather than debate with such people whose Islamist terror gang sympathies become more apparent with each scornful declaration they make about those corrective air strikes, an easier and wiser approach would be to ignore all that background noise while patiently awaiting the next scheduled US missile barrage in northern Nigeria, secure in the knowledge that the ballistic projectile guidance systems fielded by the US military rarely every misjudge their designated targets, REGARDLESS of whether any official photographs of the annihilating carnage inflicted on designated targets are ever published for the public's consumption.

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There are legitimate and fair questions to be asked and no one needs to conclude that those asking them are terrorist sympathisers.

On the contrary, swallowing every claim of the US in this matter without scrutiny is what would qualify as naive.

Especially in the face of glaring oddities.

kpankpangolo:
Three weeks later and the public has seen zero evidence. I guess we have to assume the terrorists were neutralized.

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Seems questionable.

In Venezuela less than two days later the world was informed that about eighty people were killed including 32 Cubans.

But in this mystery strike, three weeks later the whole thing is still shrouded in secrecy.

Strange.

Kukutente23:
Even if it wasn't, there's no way that's a penalty with the position of the player's feet

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Where have you been? I have been looking for you.

I want us to divert our discussions towards theology.

dominique:
Ball to hand, almost looks at if the Algerian player deliberately played to our player's hands. Okay if to say got the penalty and the match had ended 2-1, dem commot abi dem no commot?

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Looks like ball to hand

Xxxxx

dederocs:
Who are known advocates for child brides...what you are saying is hogwash, total waste of my time engaging you. IQ not high enough.

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Says one suffering from sufficient inferiority complex to worship Trump.

All questions dodged and you talk of IQ.

I am certain I can tell the sort of school you went to.

Enjoy.

FxMasterz:
Did it really say heaven? We were never told where the presentation took place. You're just assuming.


I have told you that heaven is a pure place because there's no sin there. Hence, no evil.

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This sounds escapist to me and I am sure you know it is escapist.

At all events is the presence of Yahweh not holy enough to exclude evil company.

LordReed:
Job1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

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It actually says "the Sons of God" which makes it worse.

Furthermore in 2 Chronicles 18:19-22, Yahweh holds a council in heaven where he endorses the creation and propagation of a lie inorder to destroy a man.

Is that not evil in heaven.

FxMasterz:
Not sarcasm. I'm certainly creating a post tomorrow. I'll mention you.

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Alright thx

FxMasterz:
This is the place of understanding. Wait for tomorrow when I'll share the whole Bible in 1 minute.

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Leave sarcasm and tell me where the bible says what you claim sir.

FxMasterz:
Evil itself is a byproduct of sin. Since the world has become a sinful world, it had to be balanced by good. And good is only enjoyable because of evil in a sinful world.


God didn't want zombies. He didn't want robots. He wanted humans who can choose their actions and be responsible for it. Only that condition validated love and loyalty, without which the world wound be boring. So, everything was good until man choose to obey a different master.



He created evil for the purpose of judgement because now there was sin I. The world. That is still different from the evil that arises as a byproduct of sin.

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Surely I don't have to start pointing out contradictions again. I am quite tired.

FxMasterz:
I'm telling you the position of the Bible.

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If you don't mind, I'd like to see the verses where it says so.

LordReed:
LoLz. The defence is too porous na, how ball no go enter.

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FxMasterz:
You can apply it locally. Not everything applicable in Nigeria is applicable in USA

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The point is from where do you derive the magisterial authority to make that rule and consign it to Earth alone.

LordReed:
What makes it different? According to your book Satan was an angel and he goes to heaven sometimes so evil can be in heaven no?

It still doesn't matter because you concede that the possibility exists.

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Are you such a wicked fellow?
Why do you keep scoring golden goals when one is enough.

Have mercy, m'lord, have mercy.

FxMasterz:
No. He didn't.

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So who created evil.

Mind you, the omniscient and omnipotent one who created creatures who do evil necessarily created evil.

This is aside from his confession in Isaiah that he does indeed create evil.

So that you can appreciate the sacrifice.

[quote]So that you can know that you were accepted of the Father.

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Our knowing what Yahweh has done by no means changes the point. Remember the point being that Yahweh hurts himself since Jesus is Yahweh according to you and he hurt Jesus quite clearly even when Jesus had purportedly done nothing to deserve it, and begged for the cup to pass over his head.

Also Jesus lamented that Yahweh (himself) according to you had forsaken him. In Christian theology it is said that Yahweh (Jesus) fled from Jesus because of the spectre of sin Jesus was carrying on the cross which Yahweh could not tolerate since Yahweh cannot behold or bear sin, and yet Yahweh as Jesus was carrying the same sin allegedly.

It does, because He literally took the place of the sinner and took his sins upon Himself. He claimed He was the One who did everything you did.

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Then Yahweh is here lying that he did what he did not do.

Yes, that's the law. Then Jesus came to reap your sins for you because you cannot actually do any better. You have no such powers.

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Please and please. If this is the law then why does Yahweh breach it by putting the sin on someone else?

That would mean that the law of Yahweh is false and Yahweh is in fact not just.

You asked me to point out the contradictions, and so there they are above.

FxMasterz:
The rule applies to earth alone. It doesn't apply to the entire universe.

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Special pleading.
And how did you arrive at it at all events.

FxMasterz:
No. He didn't.


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So that you can appreciate the sacrifice.


So that you can know that you were accepted of the Father.


It does, because He literally took the place of the sinner and took his sins upon Himself. He claimed He was the One who did everything you did.



Yes, that's the law. Then Jesus came to reap your sins for you because you cannot actually do any better. You have no such powers.

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I don't know how you don't see the numerous contradictions here. Do I have to point them out?

FxMasterz:
That's not my argument.


My claim is that good can only be appreciated in the presence of evil. It makes you have a sense of enjoyment otherwise you wouldn't even know what enjoyment is.

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Hence good cannot be appreciated in heaven if there is no evil there, as LordReed has rightly noted.

FxMasterz:
The conditions of earth are not same with heaven's. The same rules don't apply. Apology for omitting the screenshots. Here are they below:

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Your argument doesnt work once you claimed that good can only be enjoyed with the presence of evil.

FxMasterz:
No. That's not the kind of hurting we're talking about. Here, it was man that hurt Him. If you feed your dog and do it nice things only for it to turn against you one day and bite. Can you be blamed for that? Nobody will say you hurt yourself for what that dog did to you.

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A creator of evil cannot blame the evil it created.

No, that's love. Hurting others for some selfish gains is what sin really means.

Love can hurt itself for the benefit of others. That's sacrifice.

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Such sacrifice that the said Christ lamented it by -

1. Praying that the cup should pass over him?

2. Crying that the father had forsaken him?

And thirdly such an alleged sacrifice does not square with justice if one person has to bear the sins of another.

Even after the same Bible claims that whatsoever a man sows the same shall he reap.

FxMasterz:
How did hurt Himself?

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1. He expressed regret for his action creating man

2. If you are a trinitarian he hurt himself by hurting Christ