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QuinQ:
You ought direct that to yourself. Trump threatened to "obliterate" Iran if they didnt open Hormuz within 48hrs. Less than 24hrs later the headline is:
"Iran Opens Strait Of Hormuz" yet you're still carping crap!

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Jesus Christ. Are you people for real? This was the exact position before the ultimatum. Nothing has changed.

budaatum:
Most Muslims do not endorse wife beating, and saying it does is like someone claiming Christianity and Judaism endorses slavery.

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Besides, I can easily bet that most Muslims you know do not endorse wife beating and those who might endorse wife beating that you know are not unintelligent enough to claim Islam (or the Quran or their Prophet Mohammed) told them they should. Do correct me if I am wrong please.

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Surah An-Nisa (4:34):

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

TV01:
Even the short answer of "time" needs to be expounded on. Does it bear scrutiny?

How much time? How long exactly.
When will we see green shoots, when will the corner be turned? How will we know?
Don't forget Nigeria is spiralling - at a rate of knots. When will this downward descent stop?
Why should I think or, what is there to suggest it won't hit rock-bottom - essentially a failed state?

So just saying time, is like the evolutionist - just give us billions and billions and billions of years. Not to stray, but if the wherewithal, the ingredients, the right events (or scientific possibility) do not exist, time won't make it happen.


TV

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The developed nations of today hit rock bottom many times. That may well happen to us too. Whatever you say, 66 years is far too limited a timeframe in the life of a nation, especially in the life of such a complicated nation as ours which has more original ethnic groups and languages than the whole of Europe put together. The conflict potential is too high and the sense of national identity too weak and both of these will take significant time to resolve and only with their resolution can genuine progress be made.

Again, whatever is said, it is sheer madness to compare a contraption of sixty six years to one of over a millennium, such as England for example.

raumdeuter:
You are shocked that a liberal tell lies?

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Why presume the worst, he may not be aware.

benalvino3:
This is BS

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What? Did you just criticise your God?

budaatum:
I am very certain you are aware that islam does not allow marriage of girls below the legal age in neither UK nor in the USA this thread is about, and nor does Islam codify "domestic abuse against women and even allows for s3cs slaves" anywhere, not even in Nigeria, but I guess I shouldn't expect you to accept this is your opinion of Islam and which you flatulate as fact.

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You are terribly wrong here.

For one thing, the Quran specifically endorses wife beating.

TV01:
Well of course, it is both stupid and patronising to expect a black nation to be able too chart a course for societal development and civilisational advancement under its own steam, and without recourse to blaming others for their failures. . What was I thinking?


TV

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The short answer is time. We are relatively a very very very young contraption and you are comparing us with entities that have coalesced for centuries. There is nothing we are going through that Europe has not experienced a hundred times of. Some people imagine that since we live in a modern world all lessons are transferable and that's that. Nothing could be further from the truth. Each people will have to do their time and resolve their contradictions. And in Africa with the many artificial boundaries there is a recipe for conflict which will have to be resolved first. Europe had to bloody it out as well. Same will apply here.

Time is the short answer.

This could have been detailed but you are way too presumptuous to be worth it.

Iolo:
You’re not wrong in saying our tourism industry is dead and successive governments have failed to do anything serious about. However, I would leave it there and not blame it solely on insecurity. Even before boko haram / bandit days Nigeria was never in the top 10 most visited African countries.

1. Most tourists from North America or Europe will not go through the stress of getting a Visa to come to Nigeria.

2. You get the visa and upon arrival you get harassed by immigration officials (only very recently has the government taken decisive steps to fix this mess).

3. Where do you even visit as a tourist coming to Nigeria?

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We don't even have that reputation as a country to visit, a country with sights to behold etc. we simply never have, nothing to do with security.

Honestly we have a fantastic Savannah and there is no reason we could not recreate the East Africa experience here in terms of wild life.

It's our mentality. Everything is about desperate stress and money. We have miles of fantastic beaches but hardly any resorts.

Look at Obudu Ranch it took a German pilot to see the value of the mountain ranges there and even then it's now gone to the dogs. Places like Yankari Game Reserve are little better than village zoos now.

Honestly we have a problem. A place like Tarqua Bay should be international.

fitinwell:
Nigeria President possessed the highest bilateral presidential travel visits in the entire world.

Nigeria also possessed the highest bandits visits .. bandits too na terrorist instead of tourist.

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Anyone should just Google the amount of times the presidents of the world travelled last year.

When you see the result you will know that there is something seriously wrong with this country.

Realist5:
Nigeria was not listed because of insecurity. God help us.

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Even without terrorism Naija has never been a tourist destination.

KobolanderSegun:
The reason why we have not descended into abusing each other as is the norm on this platform is because we have similar upbringing , similar thinking and similar views, look at our thoughts on Iran and Israel they are very similar.

You can only get on with people who are like you.

You can only love people who are like you or manifest your highest values. If you love peace you love the peaceful. Birds of a feather flock together

On the said " Judgement Day " if such a thing will exist, God who claims to love his enemies will only allow those who are like Him into Heaven.

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I hear you.
I think you have an interesting mind.

BrickandLace:
The FFK factor still very active

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What did he infect her with his bad mouth?

dequir:
Tell that to Donald Trump, or to Kemi Badenoch.

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I guess people are learning from Trump that manners and decency don't really matter in today's world. Money talks and BS walks.

tctrills:
Then create a new thread and I will join you.

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Tried. Banned again.

KobolanderSegun:
It is the standard view. You simply have never asked " why did I love this person

" Ask and you shall receive, seek and ye shall find ".


Look at even the Iran and Israel war. Team Iran comprises of Largely Muslims, team Israel more of Christians

Team Iran also has moderate Christians who want peace. Team Iran also has Christians who are highly intelligent and intellectual who are not moved by religious affiliation but by concerns of peace and stability and harmony within that region of the world.
As I said you can only love what is like you or who love who you want to be .

I'm Christian but I cannot support Trump he has too little decorum and he talks too much and praises America too much .. People only constantly praise themselves when they really don't have much of an advantage......Cheap hype. When you are head and shoulders ahead of the competition you stop talking because the competition is not worth your time.

And the world's Greatest Army is struggling against an Army that has been sanctioned for 50 years...... Wow

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I agree with you on Iran and Trump but not on the rest. Love and sex are no respecters of rules or maxims or proverbs or even wisdom.

joshkke:
Shouldn't have engaged on a personal level. Have a second PA release an official statement. Don't be accessible to people with a very clear intent.

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Aside from that the responses were way too undignified for a personage of her status. A diplomat. A Minister!

KobolanderSegun:
Love can be explained mathematically. We only love what is like us or what we want to be. If you look at even the sport teams or athletes you love you will see they are a reflection of you or who you want to be.
You can only love from your own view point. Even in religion you will go for a religion that is a reflection of who you are or who you want to be. Love does not just happen love can only happen if you see the merits of love. A baby loves it's mother because it's mother supplies it's need for milk.
That is why for any relationship to work it has to be mutual and reciprocal.

Love is a mathematical formula like gravity. It is simply a means of survival. why I am more in this forum than on Facebook ? Because this forum is easier for me to be on in terms of data it uses less data than Facebook because of it has less pictures and no videos. I can be as fat as a house, my room can be untidy, my house can be unpainted and people will still like me, try uploading the pictures of the scenarios I just mentioned on Facebook and see how far you get. As I said the benefits of this forum are better than those on Facebook if one is on a budget or one just wants to chill and see what's up in the Nigerian space.

Love is not an emotion love is survival. If you love yourself you will live if you dislike yourself you will kpai.

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This is neither my view nor my experience and i have to beg to disagree.

Na wah oh. Israel can lie and censor for Africa. You will see so much damage and always not a single person dies.

tctrills:
And you believe the historians but doubt the historians that wrote about Jesus Christ.
When they tell you that Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great, you don't question.

So why do you choose to believe one over the other, what are your metrics. How do you tell that the history is not fabricated?
Educate me please.

Are you saying that secular history can't be completely false?

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Sure, there is fabricated secular history but you will not find any secular history that contains all those miracles and alleged supernatural events.
At best you will have reports of what people claimed they experienced: e.g: Constantine the Great claiming that he saw a vision of Christ or the Cross or the Chi-Ro.

KobolanderSegun:
That is why you never chase a woman for #ex you chase a woman for her essence. Her essence is you see something in her that makes you stronger, smarter or just looking at her makes you feel better. Since you are already tapping current you are already gaining free of charge. Now if she wants to start billing you can decide to start following her on social media and tapping current without directly doing anything with her. Women are experts at tapping electricity from men, when men call them that is how they tap male electricity. Women are always tapping male electricity 24/7. Men only think #ex is the only way to recieve female electricity. Me I'm married my wife gives me electricity and I tap female electricity from watching my ex girlfriends on social media and some babes on social media. I do not contact my former girlfriends because water has passed under our bridges but I just tap via social media. I don't click like or comment I just download pictures and videos. No point making people who lack humility feel too important.

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Again I feel you are categorizing too strictly. Because let us be honest with two things -

1. Falling in love is a strange and inexplicable thing. It is not the case that one can study a person mathematically and decide that such a person is just right after analyzing the person perfectly and then proceed to love the person. The truth is that love happens in a very impulsive, awkward, hard-to-explain magnetic way. People can seldom control who they fall for and they can rarely explain it. It comes in too many different ways: beautiful, handsome, good and sane people fall for ugly, insane and dramatic psychopaths - it happens, no one can explain it.

I used to laugh at the idea at love at first sight until one day I was sitting at a cafe and this woman popped in and simply said to the waiter "Capuccino." Up till today I cannot explain what happened to me in that moment. The surge of emotion was totally unbidden and inexplicable. I did make myself speak to her, she turned out to be married and hurt me quite vigorously.

2. Sex is also a magnetic thing which is very hard to explain. Sexual attraction as I said is a force of nature and beyond sexual attraction there is just the mechanical fact that your body will push you towards it - attraction or not - from time to time. This is how some desperate women end up sleeping with their gate man.

KobolanderSegun:
Not the all consuming hatred that spreads to every German.

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Of course, agreed. That would be irrational.

There is a way you can not Ike people with disdain but when it is hatred it stems from you thinking they are above you. To disdain people is to understand you are better than them only in one area but you refuse to think about them morning noon and night. Disdain never spreads because it is targeted at specific people for the actions they have carried out. Hatred can easily spread because it is a stronger emotion.

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I fear you may be creating categories too strictly. Surely it is possible to hate people you look down on as well.

When you disdain people you are careful to have little to do with them because you don't want to waste time and energy. Men who disdain their wives divorce them without too much drama. Men who hate there wives kpai them

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This is a powerful statement.

tctrills:
That's why we have a responsibility to discover God and His prophets. If I receive a difficult or do I say strange commandment from someone I believe to be a prophet of God, I will pray and ask God. I wouldn't dismiss it just because it is hard or strange. Does this answer your question?

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No it does not.
You know in your heart that no man can tell you such and you will obey, prophet or not.

tctrills:
No, I am only providing that you are not equipped to tell what is real or myth.
You don't know and no one including yourself should listen to you when it comes to this topic.

Just in case you don't know, the earliest known history of Alexander the Great was written 400 years after his death yet you believe he is real.
What's your metrics for deciding what is real or myth.You clearly seem not to have any.

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He was a person in secular history for heavens sake, he was a recorded King of Greece who conquered much of the known world, he also founded many cities which still stand today and some are named after him and still stand today, such as Alexandria in Egypt.

He is also not recorded to have done things which would put his story into the rank of myths such as walk on water, raise the dead, heal the sick, feed the five thousand, transfigure with Moses and Elijah, resurrect from the dead. All these things make a story sound very mythical.

tctrills:
Since we have tackled Trinity elsewhere with the 20 verses you decided to delete from the bible, let us address the others.
Now, this is just unfair. I addressed all your concerns even from your 20 verses. Please go back to the discussion for memory sake. While you will not find a single verse in the bible that denied Jesus Christ's divinity, you will see enough to teach you that He is God.

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There is still no point going back to it. Mind you, you never addressed all the verses. You spent most of your time addressing "Why do you call me good, only God is good." And you did a poor job.

Start with eternal hell fire.

Do you believe in this
The bible has described the final state of the wicked in different ways. Do I believe it's going to be real physical fire? No.
Other verses talk about Outer darkness.
But one thing is clear, the wicked will be separated from God and the righteous.

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We know it cant be physical, since its not a physical world, but the point is will it be eternal torture?

tctrills:
Yes we have conscience, that's why we are able to have this discussion. But conscience alone is not able to guide us as a group that's why we all have our different moral standards. That's why you will find a kind and loving person supporting Israel and another loving and kind person on the Palestinian side. Conscience has never been enough and conscience is not constant. What was right to a person in ancient Rome might be wrong to you today.
But then, you have decided that you will be the ultimate test for God. That's a bit different. He is not able to direct your conscience.
You have a Gen Z God notion. But God existed and ruled in the time of old when moral codes were very different from yours. God related to men in primitive times and He appealed to their hearts in ways they understand. He taught and tested their faith according to the times.
But you look at God through the prism of your present day experience. You are so short sighted.
You create rules for the giver of life. You decide what live He can take and how He should. It doesn't work that way.

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I actually agree with the bold and in truth there is the problem of objective and subjective morality which a lot of old posters and I debated many years ago here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1520806/evolution-morality

You might find the thread interesting.

I also created a thread about the issue here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1294489/basis-human-morality

LordReed what is your take again, I believe we have also debated this.

Tctrills, let me put this question to you: Abram is said to have heard the voice of God directly right? Ok. However through most of the OT God spoke through prophets. How would it seem to you if a man calling himself a prophet came to you and gave you the same instruction to kill your child, saying the instruction is from God. How would you react?

TcTrills, I had listed other repugnant aspects of Christian teaching as follows -

- The doctrine of the Trinity which is blasphemous

- The teaching of eternal hell fire which is barbaric

- The ritual of communion which is negatively pagan in essence, to the extent that it is said to be a representation of eating human flesh and drinking human blood

- The teaching that you must love Jesus more than you love your parents

- The doctrine of inherited sin, which casts blame on the innocent
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Since we have tackled Trinity elsewhere with the 20 verses you decided to delete from the bible, let us address the others.

Start with eternal hell fire.

Do you believe in this?

KobolanderSegun:
The guy is smart ......
watch what you watch and remember not everybabe is NOT for you. Only allow babes that lift you up mentally and emotionally. The guy knows what's up. That is why women can derail men . You have to allign with women who push you forward with how they think, how they behave. Me I only allow the best of the best near me. No time to be derailed. In this our country with scarce resources you cannot allow too many mess ups.

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Well said. Indeed the truth is that many kings and great men have been destroyed by women who are not even worth anything. Warriors who great armies could not defeat have been defeated by one scallywag of a girl. Men have to be watchful.

tctrills:
So you have said a lot that I don't agree with.
Let's look at them one by one.
1. The Strait is basically closed and that's why your petrol is so expensive.
Here are the stats, before the war, ~120 to 138 ships used the Strait daily now, approximately 250 oil tankers and over 3,000 total commercial vessels are currently estimated to be anchored outside the Strait in the Gulf of Oman, waiting for the security situation to stabilize.

Iran has directly attacked oil production of its innocent neighbours. They have attacked fresh water production. But of course, it's the US fault.

2. You spoke about the lack of planning and there again, I don't think you know what you are talking about.

It has been just 22 days of war, you have taken out your enemies entire leadership, their entire navy, air force, air defence, 90% of their missile and drone capability, and even their ability to pay their military. You did all this in just 22 days and extremely minimal casualties then you are accused of not planning.
Make it make sense.
This is one of Americas most planned and successful wars by any metrics.
Please explain why you think it wasn't planned out.
Still talking about planning, do you remember when the Russian/Ukraine war started? The price of gas in the US went up much higher than this. Then, it was only Russian oil supply that was disrupted. Now, it's the entire gulf supply that is disrupted yet the US is handling it much better.
I really hope you can show how this was not planned.

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This is why I need to make that full post. I have saved it but lai lai, I get banned whenever I post it. I have edited it so many times to make it as pure as a gospel, still the same thing.

tctrills:
Can we do something fun for once, maybe on another thread. You will be God and I will be asking you questions to see how you will do things differently from the Christian God.
I would ask you questions about almost every topic, sin, forgiveness, sacrifice, war, slavery, whatever comes to my mind to see how you would rule if you were God

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Interesting experiment. Lets go for it, it may be fun.

tctrills:
You have created your own morality and you judge God by it. You have decided what must be right and what is wrong and if God is not able to make your standards, He is false.
By your standards, God shouldn't be able to send His son to pay the price of sin.
God shouldn't be able to test His servant's unquestionably obedience.
The only way you agree with God is if He lives by your rules.
But as the human that you are, that is a very arrogant and shallow position to take.
You believe that you can't be wrong. Your moral compass is always on point, God has to adjust to you.
God's plan in sending Jesus Christ shows mercy, Justice for all and great love but since it's not your style, you disapprove.
Abraham passing the test shows faith and God's ultimate wisdom but then, God shouldn't have the right to ask you to sacrifice what He gave you
In short, you have become God unto yourself. You really don't need another God.
You are bigger than all religions, none will fit you.
I will keep having these arguments with you because I enjoy doing it but now, I know your position. You challenge God because you think you know better and can do better.

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We all have something called a conscience, at least most of us do, a few have killed thier conscience.
Most of us know instinctively that it is wrong to murder your child at the command of any religious voice as a sacrifice. For that reason most of us will never do such a thing. In fact most of us will go to war with such a voice.

Look, let me tall you something, I dont think I am above God, that will be absurd, we are too miniscule in the scheme of things and I am generally agnostic about this reality at all events,

You have to understand that for me, that barbaric entity described in the OT is NOT God.
It is some pagan iteration of a deity with flashes of goodness and a great deal of barbarity.

KobolanderSegun:
Hatred is a sign one has been conquered by the inability to process information..

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Not if that hatred is justified. E,g: a person who hated Hitler for his deeds.