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tctrills:
What are you talking about? Are you praising the Iranian regime for surviving 21 days of war? Make it make sense. And you call hitting the global economy Iran's victory, that's a weird way of thinking. The so-called victory is causing them more enemies; it's damaging the economy of their big ally, China. Your understanding of victory means destroying civilization. That's scary.

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You are not getting it. So you really think an Iranian victory would only be by conquering the USA nd Israel and colonizing them or wiping them out? You are funny.

tctrills:
Yes, I AM (Jesus Christ) is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, not His Father. Let's do one verse, and you will explain.
Exodus 6:3

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

You see clearly that the Almighty and Jehovah are 2 difrent people. Yes, many times, especially in the Old Testament, the 2 persons/names are used interchangeably but this is the verse that separates the 2

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So you are saying that God the father is not the God of the Old Testament?

tctrills:
Of course, if Jesus Christ claims He is not God, we can't force Him to be God. But you read His claim, He is I Am.

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Jesus said it many times that he is not God, and you are just hanging on to a vague "I am" which you know has many different possible interpretations.

tctrills:
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You and I both have the human nature too. And we both have names.
Thats the point, Jesus Christ and His Father both have the God nature and still have their different names. Just like you and I both have human nature, too. And we both have names

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And yet you are not me, are you?

Please this is an absolutely incongruous statement maybe you meant to say something else or clarify it.
But you claim to have read the bible 17 times, and you still don't know that the I AM of the Old Testament is Christ? Maybe you should read it one more time

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My challenge is you saying that Jesus and NOT the father is Jehovah of the Old Testament!
Not the father ? ? ? ?
Oh really?

Confusion!


PS: You keep saying 17 times, but go back and look at exactly what I wrote. I mentioned that I had read it several times before a particular age, I didnt mention the amount of times I have read it.

tctrills:
None of the 20 shows in any way that Jesus Christ is not God. Anyone could copy and paste verses; that's no big deal.
Let's do this, just present any one of your 20 verses and explain how it disproves the divinity of Christ.

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I am weary of doing so: even if i bring a verse where Jesus says "I am not God" you will not agree.

donleo92:
The propaganda must propaganda

Iran is not paradise.
Iran is been dealt with by two sophisticated military in the world.

But people want to use to media and AI to make it look as if Iran is winning

Anyway, we know the media has always hated trump and Israel, but on ground they know that Iran is loosing this war, and they just want to use the media sympathy to push USA to stop.

To me, make USA leave middle east, make Israel finish this people

tctrills:
You have no point here. You know nothing about the state or readiness of the Iranian army. You are not a war expert. Don't just be making unwise statements on nairaland.

Wait and let's see, then we can talk about it.

In a week or 2 from now, after the battles have been fought, we can then tell who is winning.
But as of today,
Iran has hit some US bases
13 American have died
On the other hand thousands of Iranians have died.
Hundreds of Iranian military bases in Iran have been destroyed.
The entire air defence is destroyed
The entire navy and air force is gone.
Top leaders and generals gone

So, who is winning.

Even on the economic front, the Iranian currency is toilet paper.
Iran is suffering some of the worst inflation ever.

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You guys are missing the point. In analyzing who is doing better, you have to consider their strength. The USA and Israel are the overwhelmingly stronger side in every respect, militarily and economically. We are talking about the biggest economy and most advanced military and its proxy against a desert country under sanctions for half a century. So there is no comparison.

Therefore the mere survival is the Iranian regime alone is victory for Iran.
The mere fact that Iran can hold the world to ransom at the Strait is victory for Iran.

You have to understand the context.

tctrills:
God is not Identity, God has His name.. Yes, Jesus Christ has a Father who has a different Identity from Him but the bible teaches us that they both have the God nature. So God clearly is not a name of a person. Our God has a name.

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You and I both have the human nature too. And we both have names.

My point is tha Jesus Christ not His Father is the Jehovah of the old testament according to the bible.

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Please this is an absolutely incongruous statement maybe you meant to say something else or clarify it.

tctrills:
My summary

If Jesus called Himself God, then we can agree that the correct Christian position is that Jesus Christ is God. Again, we know that His Father is also God, and that's not a problem because even as humans, we expect the son of a human to be human, so why would anyone expect the Son of God and heir of His divine nature not to be God?

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This is a very bad analogy as being human refers to our nature not our identity. So the fact that you and I are human does not mean that you are me or I am you. In the context you have used the analogy, at best it would mean that Jesus is also a divine being and not that he is God the Father.

tctrills:
You seen yo have forgotten, I did not ignore them, I explained them and gave you verses to increase your understanding.

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I remember very well - you only picked a few verses to give marginal attention to and then said that that should suffice to explain the rest or something like that. 20 solid verses and that was the lazy response you gave, you didnt address them all, only a few, and only marginally.

By the way no verse in the bible shows that Jesus Christ is not God.

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I gave you twenty that showed that explicitly.

But let me start strong, Jesus Christ is clearly the Jehovah of the old testament

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Then he must have multiple personality disorder as the nature of Jesus and his teachings radically differ from those of blood thirsty and violent Yahweh of the Old Testament.

tctrills:
This below might set the ball rolling for our next topic
https://youtube.com/shorts/OhAe-3cGKsk?si=2LK3kot9X7Lg4KoL

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I once gave you [b]twenty [/b]clear verses showing clearly that Jesus is NOT God, but you basically ignored them.
I was not surprised because it is standard and normal for people of faith to ignore their own scripture once it is against whatever they already believe. Both Christians and Muslims do this on the regular. I have seen it too often.

No one can trust anything emanating from the US Govt anymore.
The nature of Trump as a pathological liar has destroyed every shred of meaningfulness in the trajectory and story of this war. One thing this minute, the contrary the next second.

tctrills:
Here is a simplified summary to explain God's Justice and mercy.
https://youtube.com/shorts/otRbtbRX0Eg?si=OfU_128NrDYxlUeT

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Doesnt work.
No matter how much you try to confuse and convince yourself, an innocent man taking the punishment for the crimes of a guilty man can never signify perfect divine justice. Never.

It is also unbiblical.

Jesus himself made it clear not only in Gethsemane but also when he said it would be better for the person who betrayed him if he was never born.

Also consider verses like -

1 Corinthians 2:8: "None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

Luke 23:34: "Then said Jesus, 'Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

But of everything Jesus said that showed the crucifixion was wrong, the Parable of the Wicked Tenants is the most poignant.

The Parable of the Wicked Tenants is found in Matthew 21:33–46. Below is the text of the passage (from the ESV translation):

33 “Hear another parable. There was a master of a house who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and built a tower and leased it to tenants, and went into another country.

34 When the season for fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to get his fruit.

35 And the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first. And they did the same to them.

37 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’

38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’

39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.”

What do you think the above parable signifies.
Don't just allow confirmation bias to give you a knee jerk reaction. Ponder it deeply with openness of mind and the willingness to change your belief.

Kobojunkie:
Throughout history, the land has always gone to the conquerors. The Israelites conquered the Canaanites, that is one of the major reasons why they were able to claim the land even as they lived in the land with the conquered population. 🥱🥱

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Then no one should have a problem with the Muslims having also conquered the place.

2. There is no record of a genocide committed against the Canaanites given that the Canaanite clans existed in the land even after the Israelites had taken over.
🥱🥱

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What happened at Jericho?

TV01:
Smashed those bells llke kilode !

Right, where were we?
If said academic research purports reasons for a lack or progress or hinderances to advancement, fine. But that is all backward looking. I'd never get away with that at work. If these profound research tomes can piece together what went wrong, why can't they prescribe a way forward?

Why is academic research needed to deliver basic amenities? A minimum viable societal proposition. Security, healthcare, schools. Why can't basic utilities like water, electricity, or infrastructure like roads be readily delivered?

You need profound academic research to figure out why a country cannot solve for open defecation? This is just weak. Pathetically weak. Absolute denial.

Leave me jor. Let me go and pester my wife!


TV

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Perhaps you should state what you believe are the reasons, given that you accede that there are reasons.

The truth is there is a scientific reason for most things. It's either you choose the scientific reason or you decide to be unscientific by saying something lazy such as "oh, they are just corrupt."

Ebenezer2021:
keep quiet.
I don't respond to those sympathetic towards terrorism

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Ol boy. That your comment says it all.

stanluiz:
President Trump is right!
If Nato countries cannot rally and confront Iran, how can they defeat a country like Russia.

Countries like UK, France, Germany etc fall trump hand .

That's Europe is safe and peaceful is because of America. If US withdrawal from NATO
Russia will invade and annex almost all the European nations.

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A draft dodger has no right to call anyone else a coward.

pansophist:
Listen to Chinese president talk. Listen to Russian president talk. Complete decorum.

They speak concisely, with clear dictions and assume
that their audience is educated and can spot bullshit from far.

But Trump? The usual Oshodi tout talks politely than him. How he made it to the White House speaks very low of Americans. Like this is the best you can get?

Let me just say that the only evidence I need to determine that you are a dumbo is if you support Trump.

But looking at the good side, he seems like the perfect man to bring down western hegemony, and he is doing the job perfectly.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

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Perfectly said. Wise and well calibrated. You are well brought up, educated and civilized.

Ebenezer2021:
A speaker of truth has no friends.
I so admire President Donald Trump.
He's the second best gift God has given mankind after Jesus Christ

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This shows who you are and your level of thinking.

brain54:
He is right...


They are paper tigers and cowards for not calling his bulshits to his face but sitting it out while grumbling and murmuring in hushed tones behind.


Trump hasn't said anything new. But not in the way he thinks.


NATO has never had a mind of its own... the same useless NATO the clown has been paying a huge prize to join!

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As the toddler that he is, he hasnt learnt anything still. Let him keep insulting them and see if that will help to bring them onboard when next he wants them to lift a finger. What a child.

bemeruca:
So you are arguing from ignorance?
Ibime dismantled a lie and you said Ibime is assuming. Ibime was asking why is he blocking the location of the person.

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Why wouldnt he. That's only responsible. Who goes about leaving every sensitive private detail online for the pleasure of heckling and inferior strangers?

bemeruca:
So you don't know?

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Of course i dont.

bemeruca:
😂😂😂
If Ijebos' super stories can deceive you then you are gone 😂😂

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This thread is almost six thousand pages and I am only a relatively recent participant here. I don't know all the history among you guys and what you have shared but one hundred percent sure, from what I read on that link, there was nothing unbelievable or extraordinary there and there were far too many absurd assumptions on the part of the so called Ibime. One such assumption was that the Ambassador referred to was a Nigerian Ambassador to the UK. There were many other assumptions.

IjeBos:
Poor assumptions from their limited perspectives (somehow, in my whole life I've had 1 friend in London) which lead to even poorer inferences.

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Shockingly poor assumptions. I looked through the link and honestly I was baffled by these people.
You even bother too much.

TV01:
Nigeria can't solve for for not being able to maintain a national carrier because "vast & complex"....but, but racism...

Trolling you is not even fun - I'm off to swing some bells. Are gorilla rows racist?


TV

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Whenever you are up for a really serious conversation on the matter, no worries. However to be serious, you simply cannot dismiss sober and serious factors discussed in much profound academic research. Enjoy.

MaxInDHouse:
Abeg how does the parable of the good Samaritan apply to what we are saying here?

Perhaps you don't know the Samaritans and Jews are all Israelites so they have God's law unlike pagan nations!🙂

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Must I spell it out to you?

The point is this: The parable shows what exactly is needed to enter the kingdom of heaven. Remember that Jesus was asked this question and he replied saying love God and love your neighbor. He was then asked who a neighbor is and he replied with the parable of the good Samaritan. In so doing he showed that that essential love is what is required and not any pagan belief in any blood ritual of murder by torture.

tctrills:
But for the above, you already offered the best verse, whatever you sow, you shall reap

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I dont understand how this answers me. Are you now agreeing with me or what?

TV01:
Yes, there are reasons. The question is what are those reasons?

No. These are excuses and grist for the mill of grifters.

Nigeria can;t solve for open defecation because " complex one of deep history, environment, geography, climate, trade, wars and conquests, chance, the butterfly effect, and much much more. Even flora and fauna count."

The requirements to build a minimal viable society or functioning country are not difficult. They are all known, and can literally be copied or bought. You can even develop alternative systems.

Japan rebuilt all surrounding infrastructure 10 days after a major earthquake. There's a thread up in here somewhere. I'm happy to agree that Japanese people are in no way superior to Nigerians.

Id like to understand why Nigeria cannot demonstrate this - almost basic - level of civilisational wherewithal. Japan's climate is clearly less forgiving. no? Abi it's because of flower?


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I have told you that the reasons as vast and complex. There are university research papers done on this matter which are sober and profound. You probably have the limited and unschooled view that its a matter of once race being smart and another being apes.

raumdeuter:
Check this page and se how ib1me was laughing at all his lies tctrills TV01

https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/5302#136538287

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Looking through the story, I cant see anything incoherent there except the assumptions of your so called Ibime. Too many limited assumptions. Way too many.

TV01:
Kiss & Tell as a flex In this age Haba!


TV

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This is not grown up and presumes too much.

TV01:
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Tidy up your post and see the additional comment I made on part of your comments to Ijebos.
Your view of anyone being a spoilt child or toxifying the discussion is not one that impresses me. The minute you said Tommy was not racist I lost all respect for you. I understood at once who you were and its not the sort of thing I could ever respect.

TV01:
^{DeepSight, where are you. I'd like to troll you. As you can tell, I 'm bored. Have you gotten over your crush on me?}

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Crush ke? Troll away.

My issue with you was two things, one was a sort of broad claim you made that I was nasty to people over the Gaza issue (and that was not really an issue as you are entitled to that opinion, I know I can be strident). But the second one was unbelievable: your claim that Tommy Robinson is not racist/.

But ride on.

Care less about the song. That wasn't my entry point. Maybe they don't see "whiteness as better", just acknowledge that some societies are better ordered, are able to build and maintain functioning institutions and are more technologically advanced. Higher up the civilisational curve one might say.

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Without a doubt some societies are more advanced than others and there are many reasons for this. Understanding those reasons should actually help people be less, not more racist. Racist people often think that its a factor of racial superiority (tribalistic / xenophobic people / ethnic chauvnists - also think the same way).

However the matter is a complex one of deep history, environment, geography, climate, trade, wars and conquests, chance, the butterfly effect, and much much more. Even flora and fauna count.