₦airaland Forum

Kukutente23:
First of all she genuflected not kneel

Secondly her name shows she's from the Niger Delta, possibly Delta state where kneeling for elders is not part of their culture

Thirdly, I don't see that the heck is the big deal in her genuflecting for Tinubu. If anything it shows she respect his age and office and there's nothing much to it after all, Teni a Yoruba lady refused to kneel for Buhari since she did not see him as deserving of her respect.

It has nothing to do with culture since both Tinubu and Mrs Musa are not from same cultural background

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If you no send person, you no send am.

I have been on at an event where a major Emir from the North was greeting one by one as he passed a group of us and everyone was bowing. Coming to my turn, i just looked him coldly in the eye and he moved on.

Now this is something!

A real game changer!

SisterAnn:
Did you watch the live session? Who told you pregnant woman don't do drugs? And how did you even know the health status of her baby? Are the baby daddy?

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Aunty Sister Wicked ANN. Another perfect comment!

Jakumo:
Beer Parlor analysis by armchair generals like myself is a key component of any offensive operation. We beer drinkers are usually the first to report the advance of enemy forces because after quaffing the fourth serving of Sapele wata, we are so intoxicated as to mistake the sound of a drunken fight for the outbreak of warfare.

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Kai. You nor go kill me with laugh!.
Its better the one wey dey beside me kill me with, well, you know what!

Jakumo:
Watching a recent video clip showing civilians running helter-skelter as gunfire rent the air during broad daylight in the major town of Lokoja, with no sign of a Nigerian military counter-attack underway, it dawned on me that there is NO emergency response phone number available to Nigerian citizens so that they can alert the armed forces of any ongoing terrorist activity.

In other words, if a major town like Lokoja that is home to tens of thousands of people could be so easily overrun by armed terrorists without any response from nearby military formations, it follows logically that NO town or city anywhere in Nigeria is safe from falling to a murderous Islamist army of occupation specializing in mass abductions similar to the slave raids of history.

One can only hope that this presumption of mine is NOT accurate, and that all state and federal governmental information services in Nigeria will soon publish emergency terror alert contact numbers that can be texted to all phone subscribers preemptively.

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Jaks of life. The thing is getting serious.

budaatum:
Same as I must be a member of Amorc and not an atheist, according to triplechoice, because I post about Amorc and quote god books

Makes me wonder if they also think anyone who quotes god books is righteous and going to heaven.

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GBAM!

LordReed:
Ehhh, this is not correct. Atheists share educative materials about religion. Atheists don't have that kind of constraint you religious people usually have ie thinking that sharing religious material means you believe or are promoting that religion. You for instance would never go to the Islam section because you don't want that badge on your profile, you think it makes you somehow treacherous to your religion, an atheist has no such qualms.

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Let me slide into this from a different direction. From my ardent defense of the rights of Palestinians many people seem to presume I am a lover of Islam.

An ideology and religion that I actually detest.

But why would I not, from conscience, believe that a people must be free?

budaatum:
I don't know, Deep. I merely hope.

Know that my longevity is threatened too, ever since I ignorantly swam in a Schistosomiasis infested lake and got paralysed waist down. I'm not paralysed anymore, but my life is most definitely shortened from what it likely might have been, though I feel certain to at least be here a couple of years more and don't intend to ignore a person who reason as deeply as you do despite our disagreeing.

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Stay strong bro (or sis - I dont know your gender and will not presume).
Miracles do happen.
We may live long.

As an aside - almost everyone I know is surprised I am still alive. Cant say further.

budaatum:
For now, I'd say, since you will live very a long life.

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How do you know that I will.

High blood pressure alone threatens my longevity.

budaatum:
"A sense" now, as opposed to "a concept of"?

Is that like how you switch from god to an uncaused causer but claim it didn't create?

Read carefully what you call an admission, instead of your selective reading!

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I am done on this subject.

budaatum:
Sorry, but the above does not show bees having a concept of time, and is like claiming animals have a concept of time because they sleep or come out when it is dark at night, which is why they get confused when there's a full eclipse during the day.

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You yourself have repeatedly admitted that animals have a sense of time. Read your own posts carefully.
I will not bother further.

As I said, its way too ridiculous and absurd to say that humans created time and that time did not exist before humans.
Frankly embarrassing statements.

Righteousness2:
The only way of Escape is BELIEVE and TOTAL SURRENDERNESS TO JESUS CHRIST.[/i]

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Except for Jews right, who have a special passport without Jesus, according to you.

By the way I wonder who writes "surrenderness."

HeatSeeker:
The Op over promised and severely under delivered with this thread of his.

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Yup.

LordReed:
You did no such thing and if you did I would have told you off.

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Na why I like you be dis.

You can firmly tell anyone off. No respecter of persons.

And to add, a deeply logical mind.

budaatum:
Sorry, but I can't prove whether bees have a concept of time or not, just as you can't prove the existence of an uncaused causer.

What I can say is, time likely wasn't a thing bees were particularly aware of apart from sun up and sun down, perhaps.

As for bees existing before humans, I do feel something that evolved into bees likely existed before humans.

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https://askabiologist.asu.edu/games-sims/bee-dance-game/introduction.html

Goodnight.

blamingthedevil:
I don't understand your sentence... kindly rephrase it with malt and gala

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Of course you know he is the worst president in the history of this country (even worse than ALL the military dictators).

budaatum:
Difficult concepts explained by words we do not first define can come across that way, and is why I said the following at the onset Deep.

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Look, I will rest my argument on bees.

Prove that they dont have a concept of time and space.

And that they didnt exist before humans.

End of.

budaatum:
Note how many times I myself have mentioned 13 billion years ago, and that humans have existed only a fraction of that time. Surely you are not suggesting I've implied humans created 13 billion years. Or are you?

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Certainly that is exactly what you have said, not I. And of course that's madness. Because it is self contradictory.

1. You said time did not exist before humans.

2. So how did 13 billion years exist before humans?

3. You even said humans created time.

Look, let me give you the proper answer.

Every creature has its ways of measuring things, period. This does not mean that any creature created time.

Look, even bees have a bee dance which they use to describe the way to a place they found food, and how far away it is, and how long it would take to get there.

This means even bees have a concept of time and a way of measuring time and space.

And they existed before humans.

It's just madness to say humans created time and that time didn't exist before humans did.

Both of which you have said and both of which are so insane, I wonder why I am having to explain it to anyone.

budaatum:
Yes I did. The confusion of not clarifying was clear from the onset, and was why I made the distinction.


And you are correct, except a lot of to and fro had occured prior to its presentation, in which the distinction had been fleshed out. And so as not to conflate, was made before addressing your space.


I wouldn't have thought dinosaurs had any concept of time whatsoever to be honest, nor of space in fact, though I'd need to hedge on the latter.

I mean, i can't imagine dinosaurs thinking it was 11pm or that it was 11 hours since their last meal, but I find it probable that they might have needed to have a concept of space though, since it would have been unlikely for them to chase prey that was a mile away.


I'd have imagined animals, to be more specific than "creature", would not have had a concept of time.

An elephant wouldn't set dinner for 7pm or know that it was a particular month of the year even, nor do I think it knew it would need to carry its pup in its belly for a specific amount of time before birthing.


A thing existing, and a "creature having a concept of time", are not the same thing, I don't think. And yes, one cannot record a video of 8pm.

Note how many times I myself have mentioned 13 billion years ago, and that humans have existed only a fraction of that time. Surely you are not suggesting I've implied humans created 13 billion years. Or are you?

Humans did however split the years into months and use human numbers to denote them, though I can see how you might argue that it was the uncaused causer who created the cycle humans measure theconcepts we denote them with.

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The mere fact that you keep saying 7pm and 8pm shows you haven't even started.

And you said "even the span of ten minutes was not created by humans."

You just keep contradicting yourself.

I really mean no insult when I say you have no clue of the meaning of even the elementary words you are using.

budaatum:
s.

Space, as in outer space, is of a different nature to the above, and exists regardless of humans

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Again, confusion. Would you imagine that space within the EARTH was created by humans.

just as a span of time of a period of 13 billion years or even ten minutes is not created by humans, despite the fact that humans created the concepts to describe both.

This is the distinction you fail to note.

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In this statement alone, of course you concede that humans could never be the creators of time.

It is sheer madness to say so, and you have contradicted yourself.

You dont have a clue what you are saying.

budaatum:
Space has not been presented in any particular context, Deep. And definitely not in the context by which time was brought into the discourse of your uncaused cause.

Time, as in 10pm, is created by humans, just as space as a confined area of say 10 acres, is created by humans.

Space, as in outer space, is of a different nature to the above, and exists regardless of humans, just as a span of time of a period of 13 billion years or even ten minutes is not created by humans, despite the fact that humans created the concepts to describe both.

This is the distinction you fail to note.

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You are the one that defined time as a measurement of a period and insisted that time was created by humans.
Space, by the same premise will be a measurement of distance, and surely created by humans.

Do you imagine that Dinosuars had no concept of time, passing periods, yesterday, today, tomorrow etc?

Do you imagine that every creature that ever existed before humans had no concept of time?

It's absurd in the extreme.

There is no way any creature could exist if time did not already exist and its madness to say only one particular creature created time.

LordReed:
I agree there is nothing to fear in these things. It is just that in my neck of the woods if I must participate in family I cannot be associated with such things, talk about giving a dog a bad name in order to hang it. It is bad enough that I am openly atheist, add AMORC and it is all over. LoLz.

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Completely over.
You have no idea how many people consider me either mad, possessed or demonic for the simple fact that I do not accept religion.

For those who are getting ideas, I prize family above almost everything else.

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Family is the true priority everyone should have.

budaatum:
Deep, when you respond, you are indeed spending, or as you say, wasting, your very own time and space, both of which are more complex than you are suggesting.

But I'll stick with time for now, thank you. We can do space at a later time, if you are willing.

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No way!

You have obviously seen the absurdity of what you are saying. Time was created by humans? What a joke.
Just answer if space was also created by humans and let me go to sleep.

Its a simple question, isnt it?

budaatum:
Funny. Do you mean you don't want to waste one instant of the exact time now, or is it a period of time like a few minutes or so that you do not want to waste?

One is an instance of the time at any moment in time like 8pm, which is a human invention, while the other is a period of time as measured in units created by humans like 10 minutes. And both are recent human inventions to denote actual moments and the passing of time.

You should perhaps look up time on wiki or somewhere to see that it is more complex than you are suggesting.

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You know, just for the record and only for he record, did humans also create space?

budaatum:
Of course I can take a picture of a clock at a particular time, say, 8:30pm. And I can also take a 10 minute video of a clock showing time passing or "moving", as you want to call it, from say, 8:30pm to 8:40pm.

What I can't do is take a video of time at 8:30pm, especially if I use a clock with seconds. And I can't take one single picture of time "moving" from 8:30pm to 8:40pm.

But would the picture and the video represent the same thing to you Deep?

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I am afraid, as I have said, I dont think its a good use of time to continue this conversation with you.

You may also say that Space was created by humans and did not exist before humans.

The premises are way too absurd to be discussed.

It would indeed, be a waste of both time and space.

budaatum:
Infinite describes something that is without limits, endless, or immeasurably large.

Stagnant describes something as not flowing, moving, or developing.

Does the above not describe exact opposites of each other, or do you have different meanings for them please?

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It's simple enough to describe but since you say time didn't exist before humans I don't think there is any point wasting time on this conversation.

budaatum:
No. Deep, time did not exist before humans existed.

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This is enough for me to end this conversation. This is a very obviously ridiculous statement. I don't think I even have to prove that it is. I just wanted you to say it so it's there for posterity and your possible future reflection.

Do not insult me! I always think deeply.

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This is obviously false.

As to taking a video of time moving, oh please. Certainly you can take a picture or a video of a clock.

Just try and take a picture or video of time moving. Surely you should be able to see time moving and how it moves, since it was created by humans according to you.

Surely it may also have legs or wings which enable its movement.

And surely it must be visible and physical.

Unfortunately since you say that time did not exist before humans, it is impossible to reason with you further.

I leave it to your reflection and if we are alive, bring it up in say five or ten years.

LordReed:
I have to confess that I am somewhat biased. I love budaatum even though we don't always agree. Budaatum is the most eclectic person I have interacted with. In all my interactions with budaatum I never seen any any reticence about sharing knowledge of any sort. I was very much aware when budaatum started that thread, in fact we even discussed my own brush with AMORC. Budaatum has always shared knowledge at any opportunity to do so. So the way your accusation came and the way others are describing budaatum is amusing to me. However I do respect you and I always treat what you say to me with due seriousness that is why I put aside my love for budaatum and listened to you with an open mind. I even said to budaatum that it is possible you are just misunderstanding. Maybe it's my bias but I never see any malice in budaatum's interactions, same way I see you but you obviously don't have to interact with anyone you don't want to.

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To add to this, the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, is not anything anyone should be wary of. It is one of the orders for the search for deep esoteric knowledge. By the nature of such societies, much is kept hidden but revealed as one advances. I have not just had a brush with it, but even considered being initiated. I frankly see little wrong with it save some tendencies which suggest the superiority and inferiority of races - which everyone knows I am allergic to. When I was doing my NYSC, I was introduced to it by a gentleman who was a client of the firm I was attached to. There is much that is enlightened about it. Much.

Therefore I also see not particular reason to hang Budatuum even if he is an open AMORC person. I myself have also associated with Eckankar, which has some levels of similarity.

What I can see from the issues raised by Triplechoice is simple. He suspects Buda of being duplicitous and dishonest. That may well be true, but I have no idea and it is not my concern. Generally I consider the entire subject unimportant and somewhat petty.

Buda, like many of us, may just be a seeker for truth and be as confused as every honest seeker of truth is.

budaatum:
I do not agree that time is existent and permanent. Its why you yourself have considered replacing it with period.

I did not replace it with "period." Read carefully.

I'd go further and claim "period" is a human invention, since it is something we measure from one point to another. Period is not a thing we create. We just measure it.

Its like claiming distance is existence and permanent, while in truth it is a measurement between 2 points.

A day is a period of time between two points too.

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Let me ask you the simplest of questions. Before humans existed, did days exist?

Before humans existed, did time exist?

Think really deeply before answering please.

Yes, I said humans created time. And I mean its measurement between two points, and whatever time it is at any point in time.

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Again, if you say humans created time, just think - did time exist before humans existed.

Yes or no.

I think you are conflating cause with create, which my pedantism would not allow me to do.

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In this discussion we are speaking about what brings something else to be, or makes something else move. Therefore there is no problem here, save that you instinctively rebel against the word "create" because you imagine it requires a creating being.

Sorry, but time is not stagnant, and neither is it constant nor permanent. It is never 7pm forever, but will be minutes past if you wait long enough.

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Where have you ever seen time moving? Is it not objects that move within time?

You know, if you really think time moves, just take a video of it moving, I want to check something.

brain54:
Bla bla bla...


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Listen, next time pay attention to what you wish to comment on.

Also, once you see that you have missed the point, gracefully admit (it shows maturity) and re-address the actual point.

Dont do deflections when its obvious you cant address the point. Be more thoughtful. And NEVER delegate to ghosts and strangers and non existent persons what you yourself cant explain simply because you know you goofed.

Most of all, avoid unnecessary pride. No one knows it all and no one is beyond mistakes. Its always understandable to say, oh well, I see this point, but its complex and perhaps should be approached from different angles, or sorry I made a mistake, or sorry, this is actually what I ws trying to say, etc etc.

Kukutente23:
Lol
Clown

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His matter is becoming a medical emergency.

brain54:
Argue constructively...

Not with insults because you have nothing sensible to say!

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What is more constructive than asking you what the US achieved security wise in Afghanistan?
How on Earth is that question answered by saying "they were not defeated?"

And then pretending that the answer lies in that?
And then when called out on your failure to answer the question you say I am blind (which is an insult as well by the way) and then say someone else will explain it to me.

Perhaps you think you are talking to a child or someone who is your mate in any sense of the word.