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sonmvayina:
Noooohe is not....lol

The Torah is the most beautiful peace of literature I have ever beheld. If you understand it, you will fall In love with it.
It is about going from ignorance(slavery in Egypt) to self awareness (promised land) by getting rid of our ego.

This is an attempt to put a Buddhist spin on it which is not inherent in the text.

Surely, I dont need to list all the barbaric acts of Yahweh in the Hebrew Scripture before you understand what I am saying?

Kukutente23:
I thought the reason why Wike was fighting and destabilising PDP was because of the presence of Atiku and his ambition.
Now that Atiku has left the party what or who is Wike fighting again?
As a loyal PDP member, shouldn't he be strategizing and positioning the party to present itself as a formidable opposition to take power in 2027?
The man has obviously sold himself out to the devil and is now beholden to those he sold himself to

The inability of the members of the PDP to expel him is what speaks most to the end of that party.

sonmvayina:
Truth and conviction....... Christianity never made sense to me. Till I did a research.

Fair enough.

But dont you think you should go one step further and discard the whole thing. Because Yahweh as described in the Hebrew Scriptures is a barbaric and murderous psychopathic enity.

sonmvayina:
I said "according to the story"

He never really existed to begin with. I have always maintained that. A woman can't become pregnant without the input of a man.
God mating with virgins are the Hallmark of Greek/ Roman mythology. The Jews don't have that idea. It's all pagan myths.

Very well said @ the bold.

sonmvayina:
He never even existed. We have to start from there first.
And capital No. He is not God see Numbers 23:19. There is no process whereby a human becomes God. It is idolatry. Christianity is all paganism rebranding. Same old worship of mother and son that was done in the levant in ancient times....

Idolatry and blasphemy of the highest order.

sonmvayina:
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Not yet....about to become one.
Still in the pipe line

What led you down this path pls

FreeIgboho:
Where didn't he defend the Torah?? He always said he came to fulfill the law not abolish it.

Oh you're back to "he never existed". I thought you have moved beyond that!!!

Then why "Moses said, but I say. . . "

He changed the laws on at least the following -

1. Vengeance (from "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek" )
2. The sabbath (from strict observance to "the sabbath is made for man and not man for the sabbath" )
3. Punishment for adultery (from stoning to death to "he who has no sin should cast the first stone" )

Etc etc

sonmvayina:
You are just beating about the bush.
Please hit the nail on the head.

Where did God say he was coming as a man to be sacrificed to himself as a sin sacrifice.
The truth of the matter is there is no where.

Jesus is a pagan concept and ideology.

All those passages you enumerated, none remotely speak of Jesus. All you guys do is remove text out of context. Isaiah 7 is about Isaiah's second son. Who was a sign for king Ahaz. Isaiah 9:6, the son has already been given when Isaiah was writing. He was referring to future king Hezekiah. Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. And in more that 8 places prior to chapter 53, Isaiah told you that the suffering servant is Israel...... Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy.. it is what the kings of the earth will say when they see the salvation of Israel. Context is key.
Check for Rabbi Tovia singer on YouTube and follow his channel. You will learn a lot.

My guy, there is no Jesus at all in the Tanakh.

The only scripture he fulfils is Deuteronomy 13.

Are you a practicing Judaist

FreeIgboho:
I don't get people like you and sonmvayina (and even Gabrielshow24 on freewill). I mean, HOW can you read this below and still doubt that Jesus is somehow Yahweh??!

Not only that, the prophets said specifically that God was coming. Which other God was coming? How many Gods do they have??!

I said as you like.
Good evening.

FreeIgboho:
You are the one mistaking what I write like JimRohn. The idea of creation is within God, timeless. Creation is outside God and subject to time

As you like.

FreeIgboho:
Did I say I know? We'er just trying to find out how an immutable God can create anything. Just as in freewill, I always tell you it's FROM HUMAN PERSPECTIVE!!!

Abeg jaare.
Enjoy, Mr. Omniscient.

You state something categorically then come back to say you didnt. Its not the first time, and I have warned you I will not hang around for such.

Kukutente23:
As in... the policy inconsistency is jarring
The same man who said MDAs shouldn't' spend money in foreign currencies is announcing dollars
Same man who claimed to have instituted a Nigeria First policy is adopting an America First currency
And they said he built Lagos? No wonder they are drinking poo water

When I saw that the cash gift to the Falcons was denominated in USD, I just laughed at us as a country.

FreeIgboho:
You mistake "in the mind of God" with actually happening which is within time and outside God

Lol, there we go again. The man who says we cant know the foggiest thing about God conclusively declaring the ins and outs of the mind of God, time, creation and pre-creation.

My friend, you simply are not honest with yourself. The truth is that your disposition actually discloses that you believe you know every last divine secret of the Godhead. Simple.

FreeIgboho:
How can that be when creation is subject to time?
This also where JimRohn goes off rails

Creation cannot be subject to time if everything that exists and that will ever exist has already happened from eternity in the mind of God and is all happening in one eternal moment - dont contradict yourself.

FreeIgboho:
It's really not that profound. All it means is that everything that exists has always existed within God. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.


God is immutable in the sense that everything is there all at once, outside time. How can you have change without time?e

I hope you understand that you are saying there was no creation - everything being eternal in the past, everything being self-existent. Furthermore, this makes it harder for you to claim there is any need for anyone to do anything towards salvation. We live, in your view, in one moment of eternity in which all things have occurred already and remain eternally occurring.

I am not saying this is a philosophical wrong or impossibility. It is even intriguing. Its just that you have to recognize the consequences. It collapses any idea of creation, and virtually all the ideas in the bible about original sin and salvation are all automatically rendered meaningless.

So God suddenly stopped caring about all those peace offerings and atonement offerings?

Animal sacrifices are none of my business.

FreeIgboho:
Do you see anywhere it says "and you'll be disvirgined"?

I didnt use that word. I used a different word.

FreeIgboho:
Creation CAN'T start without a CHANGE occurring within the creator.

As I said, this question is a profound one well above the pay grade of any human being.

However, it appears that you do not believe in the idea that God is immutable.

Animal sacrifices ceased long, long ago even with temples built everywhere

I dont care about this matter.

All I know is that in Judaism, there isnt an instruction halting animal sacrfices and the reason it stopped was the destruction of the temple.

FreeIgboho:
You hang everything on "God does not change".
If that is true how did creation begin?

This is a worthy question.

I dont think anyone can know the answer.

However my limited perception of it is akin to the sun and emanation of light - God being analagous to the sun and light being analogous to creation.

And why did animal sacrifices stop?

They havent stopped in Judaism per se. The only issue is that the proper location (the Temple) has been destroyed.

FreeIgboho:
Show where in the Scriptures it says that!!!

Luke 1:35

"The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."

FreeIgboho:
End of argument.
You lost that one

What is happening here is that you are excercising choice and claiming that it is how you are programmed.

FreeIgboho:
NOBODY IMPREGNATED ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE!!!!
Jeez! She was his FIANCÉ and was a virgin till after birth of Jesus. I know you can read!

Stop lying. Christian teaching is that the Holy Spirit came and knacked someone's fiance and impregnated her.

FreeIgboho:
Your working is part of the programming

You dont have a choice. If you are programmed, whatever you do or do not do is in the programme. Rest.

FreeIgboho:
Who will believe the gospel is already conditioned to believe but they must first hear it, and who will not, will not.

Therefore you neednt worry about anyone. Indeed, there is no work for anyone to do. All is already programmed.
So rest.

FreeIgboho:
See my previous answer

See mine.

FreeIgboho:
Show me where I reeled out "all sorts of qualifications, attributes, definitions and precise criteria of and for God"

Me? Show you? I know better than that.

I already told you, no free will by human calculation - and humans don't know much

So why do you bother preaching?

Meaningless.

Utterly and completely meaningless.

LordReed:
His tates have swollen up to his money. Na so o. LoLz.

We put it this way - "his mouth has expanded."

FreeIgboho:
I know all this seem funny and ridiculous to you but here's what you're trying to reason:
Consider:
There are over 2 trillion galaxies in our universe. And possibly unlimited number of universes are in existence. Now, shrink our galaxy (which is just one of two trillion) to the size of the earth. When you do that, our earth will be smaller than a grain of salt! Add to that, there are likely multiple other dimensions! That's the God you're trying to define!
That's what you are trying to reason with the extremely limited brain you were given!

Its truly funny how you always shout about how we cannot comprehend God, yet when it suits you, you reel out all sorts of qualifications, attributes, definitions and precise criteria of and for God.

In the same way you denounce free will and yet worry about anyone's salvation. Dont you realize that once you say there is no freewill then there equally can be no judgment.

True, he may not have been referring to Obi. However anyone who understands political speech understands that innuendoes, side-blows, killing two birds with one stone, and other such things exist. Nonetheless, in light of POs one-term promise being simultaenously in the public space, it was natural and useful for him to comment on it.

Ganjafama:
Stop misleading people. The 1993 elections had Moshood Abiola and his running mate Baba Gana Kingibe (SDP) against Bashir Tofa and his running mate, Sylvester Ugoh (NRC).

Atiku contested the primaries