₦airaland Forum

tundegan:
The reason Lagos smell is because people from Onitsha who is the dirtiest state in Africa are dropping daily to Lagos to contribute to the dirtiness.

Even Grok confirmed that

Onitsha is neither a state nor a person illiterate sir.

emkz:
It is not every idiot that says hello to me that I must say hi to.

An idiot already has a preconceived opinion and only asks questions to find an opportunity to attack and advertise his idiocy.

I'd pass.

Lol. Professional ignoramus, we know there is foam between your ears. Scoot.

Congenital retard.

IBB007:
Lol…he’s not even an elected official but he’s still trying his best…wetin your own papa don do for him people during this Ramadan period

With citizens like you this country remains cursed.

netmillionaires:
Not really. The hardship is everywhere and we are all angry. But that when "Nigeria was still great" is something I always find funny. We forget our suffering too fast in Nigeria.

Back in 1994, I was very young but could remember how we used to go pack sawdust at sawmills to make Abacha stoves because kerosene was unaffordable. I bet a bag of rice wouldn't be more than #1000 back then. But today someone will bring out a 1994 price list and say "Haaa! When Nigeria was still great."

Great is relative.

Aite. Gotcha.

papyjaypaul:
I will not reply you any further but if you were intelligent as you asserted, you would have understood what Lauretta did and why they were against her. You guys love to respond, fight and argue. You don't apply logic and deductive reasoning to issues. You are right, you have won. I lose. Goodbye.

Enjoy your enslaved life. Goodluck.

Alliswell248:
Show us the one of 2011 too.

Cry cry boy

What is wrong with you? Is it that you cherish hyperinfalation or what?

netmillionaires:
Nigeria was not great then.

It is just that when an economy becomes worse people always look back and call the old suffering days great days.

In some years to come people will look back and say "Haa! When a bag of rice was just #75,000. When Nigeria was great" forgetting that people were suffering and complaining then.

With due respect, you are normalizing the ridiculous infaltion of the last few years.

Go and ask people like nairalanda1, they will say the bag of rice that cost 16k then and 75k now means nothing: they will say the proper price of a bag of rice should be around N1million.

papyjaypaul:
You are responding more with sentiments than logic. Kenny Ogungbe was on The Honest Bunch. The presenters asked him why he went to serve at his age since he has made it in life. He didn't even school in Nigeria. Maybe you should go and watch it so that you will understand that life is not gra gra. The problem is that you guys want to make your own rules when it suits you. You all don't know that time passes and tomorrow, the people there now will be history. It's not about them, it's about context. In the contest, she is not disciplined but what do I know? If I have to explain how her comments are political or why the medium she used is the press, it means many of you just like to choose the rules that you like. Only kids do that.

You will live your entire life as a slave and sadly, you will infect citizens around you with your enslaved mentality.
Nigeria is cursed by citizens like you.

Good luck.

PS: Lauretta Onochie was actually a member of a political party and served a president from a political party. She was thus in partisan politics. You are not very intelligent.

papyjaypaul:
I want to post one test question since I believe NYSC members went to school and can analyze. Let's say a Presidential election is conducted tomorrow and this lady is posted to a PU, with her public post calling a politician a "terrible president", do you think she will make an Independent INEC adhoc officer

Lol, in short you wish to say all NYSC members must be neutral and voice NO political opinion just in case they are posted to a polling unit.
Does it not occur to you that of the tens of thousands of PU officers deployed nationwide, most will have and have voiced their political opinions in one forum or the other?

If this is your level of thinking its not surprising that you believe that criticizing the government is the same as being involved in partisan politics!
Please shift.

papyjaypaul:
...

1. Criticizing the government is not participating in partisan politics.

2. Making a social media post is not addressing the press.

So what rule has she broken?

Go on, I am listening.

papyjaypaul:
Bless you for this post! The internet is a mob. They love the sensation. I have been insulted and called out because I don't support the girl's action. We have a big problem in this country but I'm not surprised. One thing about Nigeria is that people cannot think for themselves, they find it offensive when you disagree and instead of correcting the issue, they will resort to insults. The lady should receive proper counsel from those who love her. I am disappointed in Obi for supporting this madness, the same person who believes process is more important than results. What kind of country are they building?

CAN YOU MENTION THE RULE SHE BROKE.
THANK YOU.

emkz:
When we were younger, you are on your own when you misbehave. Now, you are celebrated when you misbehave.

If the girl broke the rules of NYSC, what exactly is Sowore expecting to do? Prevent her from being disciplined?

There is also report from the girl that NYSC threatened the girl. What exactly constitutes a threat? I think she was asked to delete the video, which in my view was to protect her from the fame she wanted.

It never ends well.

If we do not run a society by the rule of law, a time would come when people would commit murder and the likes of Sowore would egg him on because they hate the government of the day.

We'd also ask the authorities to abandon selective justice so that they'd not be seen as being biased. This is with reference to the misnomer of "repentant bandits" or "repentant terrorists". Let them face proper trial and let them be severely punished.

You can't be applying one set of rules to one set of idiots and another set of rules to another set of idiots and expect society to trust you.

Do the right thing at all times.

Can you mention what rule she broke.
Thank you.

This country has a long way to go. The amount of citizens who don't recognise protestable issues is staggering. Here we see good people supporting a young woman who rightfully spoke up within her rights and so many posters are condemning her/ them.

Do you people love your suffering so much? Do you people cherish inflation, no power, so security, no jobs, high rent etc so much? When and what will ever make you stand up for yourselves. What spell has been put on you? Do you want to die in slavery?

Na wah oh. Na just wah.

Samantha125:
Even now some women have vowed to never have children because they don't want them, they consider the idea of being responsible for someone else's upbringing as a burden to them while others had plans to have children, only for them to have one and decide that they didn't want to have more because motherhood isn't for them... They'd only manage the one they already have.

Then there are those women who have children, but low-key hate them... I've heard two women confessing about how they hate being mothers and regret having children, but they have no choice but to care and love them because there's nothing they can do about it... Some only had children to please their men.

Deep. Thank you. Please take a peep here -

https://www.nairaland.com/3943960/dark-side-parenthood#58797000

BreconHills:
The interlocked nature of fuel and fx means you cannot deregulate one without the other. They are Siamese twins. Our FX is heavily dependent of crude oil exploration and refining. Petrol is a subset of that refining. The market and costs are USD. Everything in the oil Industry which was my tax focus way back is denominated in USD; rigs, equipment, supply/bunkering and even salaries. So the idea of phased deregulation is a nonsense.

If you dereg fx and allow marketers to earn unbooked earnings from supplying neighbouring countries with subsidized fuel, you inflate daily supply figures and reduce amounts allocated for exports.

The rising prices on electricity, data and mobile calls is a fall out of deregulation. Higher costs mean that to provide equal or better services prices must go up. Over time competition will force down prices. The alternative is to revert to NITEL type service standards.

Nobody improves services without profit headroom. Creating that headroom means higher prices across all utilities. Until deregulation only importation made sense. Now NG has a positive trade balance of $18bn due to non oil exports rising faster than imports.

There is still a lot to do; healthcare, power, security, mining etc. But all these are impossible without addressing the funding gap.

Nigeria had no choice. It's balls were in the firm grip of inadequate FX and inadequate FX

Pause. I will try to make this brief, but please take it all in:

If you remove subsidies on petrol, the price goes up (it went up by 200% in one day, a thing which had never happened in history in any counrty in the world). Now, you are importing that petrol (Dangote had not come on stream). So you are paying USD for it. If you devalue your currency at the same time, you immediately have to pay much more for it again - because you have doubled the cost of the USD you use to buy the petrol. This is why it is self defeating. I will pause here and see if you absorb this point first.

BreconHills:
Let me answer your question or take up your challenge even though I am not satisfied with your bona fides in this discussion- and I fo not intend to spend precious time throwing bricklayer.

The Governmrnt should have thought out CNG and provide incentives and infrastructure for its deployment with more energy and focus.

The Government should have opened the borders earlier to food imports. True there was a laudable attempt to protect farmers but the farmers have shown that they do not need protecting. Profiteering and food inflation which are the major area of public discontent would have been significantly addressed.

Third _ Federal Allocation - The additional revenue ( approx x3) cannot be withheld under the constitution but moral station and pressure should have been imposed on governors to justify their expenditure. There is a huge causation between fx prices and FAAC releases.

Let me give a fourth - the privatization of NNPC should have been one of the big targets of this first term. NNPC should embrace the highly successful NLNG model ( which is was privileged to work on) to create an efficient and transparent company with unlocked capital. The concept of the Ministey of Finance as a Holdco should have been employed earlier to cover NNPC and the unbundlingnof the Railway corporation into Railtrack, Regional Services and Regulator and Standards Commission.

A lot of these would have helped address the impact of deregulation ( which I agree with. NIGER 🇳🇪 is a case study for the success of fuel dereg) on citizens while unlocking the value locked up in NNPC, Rail and other non performing assets.

I am nothing if not honorable. I reciprocate and answer your challenge.

1. The Tax Reform Bill is positive. However certain elements there are worrisome such as the attempt to tax Free Trade Zones.
2. There has been some balancing act in key Federal Agencies which were once the sacred preserve of the North. I previously feared that we would never see a Southern EFCC Chairman in the past, for example.
3. The security situation in the North seems to have somewhat improved, even if just marginally.

There you go.
Bona fides.

wiseone28:
Return the Eiffel tower too

To where? It was made in France by the French.

BreconHills:
Well if you were born in 1959 you will definitely have seen more of Nigeria than me.

I hold the position that Government is not black or white. It is nuanced as most of life is.

I can agree that the governments policies have made life harder for its citizens. I cannot accept that it is stupid or in error. I cannot see any alternatives to any of the policies of the government.

If you have alternatives then spell them out so that we can have a considered discussion.

If you don't see a problem with removing petrol subsidies at the exact same time as floating the naira, and if I have to explain how defeatist that is to you sir, I don't think we can have any considered conversation. Indeed it is already obvious that you are an extremist since you say that you cannot see any alternatives. That alone says enough. Anyone who says that cannot have any objective, serious or nuanced conversation. And that makes it doubly odd that you use the word "nuanced". . . Doubly odd that you deny that things are black and white, when for you, they clearly are.

Have a good afternoon.

PS: 1959 makes you far older than me. But heading to fifty, I am no child either.

BreconHills:
Fair enough. I respect your opinion.

I have probably seen more of Nigerias nuances and context than you and I am probably privileged in having a ring side seat, so I fully understand when people make polar back and white statements.
But let me say this, you might not understand it but
there may be others that will.

The art of government is making vested interests agree to destroy what they have built and rely on in exchange for an infinitely better future.

If you can understand this, you will understand why being in government is harder than talking about government.

Partisianship and hatred of political foes makes one stupid because it imposes a Messiah vs Evil understanding on a complex situation. It is simple, convenient but stupid.

Start by listing three things that this government has gotten right. If you cannot find three there is no reason for us to discuss because you are in the messiah vs evil matrix.

Want to try?

I struggle to find the three, sorry.

I might, just might be older and more experienced than you appear to guess.

We can have different points of view, that's fine, that's in fact excellent.

However I will throw you a question of my own. Read what you wrote, the philosophical question about destroying things inorder to build a better future and please point me to one single government in history, no matter how sinister, no matter how corrupt, no matter how tyrannical - that that statement could not be used in excuse of.

There is none.

That statement would defend Hitler's government just as surely as it would defend Idi Amin's, Stalin's, Pol Pot's, Mobutu's Abacha's, Napoleon's, Henry the VIII's, name it.

Once you recognise that your argument is a blanket one which can be employed by the Devil himself to suit his purposes, then you know you have a non-argument.

By contrast there are many terrible things one can point to at the snap of a finger regarding this government. This President is, like the poor NYSC Girl rightly said, a terrible president. He is also deeply corrupt, insincere, greedy and grossly insensitive - and this is not to speak of his shadowy past.

You appear to attempt to bestow him with some sort of nobility when you speak about the art of governance and the willingness to destroy for a better future. This is pure sophistry. You are watching a naked emperor and adoring his fine robes.

However I will take up your challenge on the condition you take up the same in the reverse, namely name three things this government has done wrong.

And oh - as an aside, if I am not mistaken, I saw a post where you appeared to defend the Lagos Calabar Road Project. If it is true as you said, that you have a background with the top-5 in consulting, I would honestly expect you to be the first one to point out all the legal and ethical wrongs about it. However, it appears you wear rose-tinted glasses when it comes to this deeply corrupt president, who has set himself the target of achieving the greatest suffering for the greatest number.

Chikpat:
How far either Shettima? Dude has become the least influential VP in Africa. Lagos boys no allow am shake body ba?

Dude has gone silent

lexy2014:
if she is not looking for house of N1.2m, why is she complaining that rent is N1.2m?

Good night.

lexy2014:
if she is not looking for house of N1.2m, why is she complaining that rent is N1.2m?

She did not complain of that. She complained that they do not even have a living wage. And that three square meals are hard.
If you wish to obsess on the fact that she mentioned the high cost of rent, enjoy and good luck.

lexy2014:
inasmuch as it is true that things are costly, why would a corper be looking for a house of N1.2m when allowance is N396k?

if this corper was asked to serve in the village were things are cheap and manageable, am sure she would have refused.

since they all want to serve in the big cities instead of rural areas, why is she complaining about the cost of rent?

She didnt say she was looking for that. She said that is the price around town for even a one bed room apartment.

Bosman17:
“Increasement of rent”… that’s the problem most of these guys are not employable🙉🙉🙉

Presidents of the USA have said worse, if you focus on that in front of the real issues being raised, you are being petty.

ClearFlair:
The Naira must be respected at all times. This is a very serious offence

There is nothing wrong with spraying money on people. Nothing whatsoever.

Throwing it on the floor, stepping on it, etc I agree is wrong. But simply to spray money on a person, is nothing wrong.

Flows001:
Very funny .

Go and check history, the JEWS who resided in Arab countries in the 7th century revolted vehemently against Muhammed and Islam, they never forsook nor substituted their identity and religion at all, reason why Muhammed had so much hatred towards them and the Christians.

The JEWS were the ones who were paying the "Jizyah" because they refused to convert to Islam but were still staying in Arab countries. In fact, the young lady who poisoned Muhammed and his gang, the poison that instantly killed one of Muhammed's fighters, and eventually led to the slow and excruciating death of Muhammed was a young JEWISH lady, she was a slave that was captured by Muhammed and his gang during a raid on her village..

There can only be ARAB-ISRAELIS, and these are Arabs whose parents or grandparents decided to stay back in Jerusalem when the JEWS captured the Old City from Jordan during the Six day war in 1967. They refused to vacate the city despite the falling into the hands of the JEWS, and had to succumb to the Israeli authority. Today, they have taken up residency permits, many of them now have Israeli passports, they now participate in Israeli politics and even take parts in Military services in Israel. The State of Israel is a democracy, and a lot of Arab-Israelis would prefer to remain under Israeli control, rather than be under the "Palestinian" authority.

The land of ISRAEL is the promised land for the children of Israel who make up the 12 tribes of Israel. There is absolutely nothing anybody can do about it because YAHWEH himself had given this land to them as an inheritance. Let the so called "PALESTINIANS" trace and return back to their original roots: either Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Lebanon...

There was NEVER any ARAB on that land during the Times of King David and King Solomon, the "conquering" nature of Islam pushed the Arabs into claiming the land, even going as far as building a Mosque on the exact spot where King Solomon's TEMPLE once stood, and claiming that Muhammed ascended from there, which Muhammed? The one that was killed by a lady and died shamefully, or another one

Illiterate.

BreconHills:
I am not sure you can place all the blame gor dirt on LASG. The citizens too do bad all by themselves. They are very proficient at dumping waste into road medians and gutters.

Re people suffering, this is not the first time that Nigerian citizens have gone through difficulties. It happened in 1980's and the 1990's. Things were so bad we had to queue for salt, sugar, and milk to buy.

And all nations go through the pains of economic readjustment at some stage or the other. No nation has had an unbroken period of soft living.

I sincerely believe that we are paying the price for a better future. Other generations kicked the can down the road. Now we have come to the end of the road and there is no can to kick.

This is escapist and unnecessarily sympathetic to an obviously wildly corrupt and insensitive government.

AutoTechDoyz:
I have come to accept the fact that Nigeria has the most coons in Africa. So, when I come across comments like that I just know they are from some of the numerous coons we're cursed with and I move on

Good advise. Pardon me jaare.

AutoTechDoyz:
This is too much o.

Nothing is too much for black men who support apartheid and white supremacy.

BloomingDale:
Lol. I was having a blonde moment when I wrote that.

Jakumo:
Wole Soyinka has always been an enormous influence in my attempts to communicate with the written word. I cannot read Wole Soyinka's prose without frequent dictionary consultations, but deep down inside I wish I could have been blessed with Kongi's rare talent which enabled him to market dozens of published literary works online via Amazon Books.

Methinks beyond being a writer, his career as an activist distinguishes him to the point of lionization and true greatness.