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LordReed:
You are the one who needs help. Can you quote anywhere I said light is not physical? How can you read anything I wrote and come to the conclusion that I implied it in any way? I repeatedly stressed that the IMAGE is not material and that is because it is an ILLUSION. It is similar to the effect light has on reflective surfaces eg a mirror and the way shadows are produced. The IMAGE you are seeing is not made of substance. Contrast that with a painting or a sculpture where the image is a physical substance.

Simple way to grasp this. If you destroy the monitor, you will not be destroying the image because as long as the signal producing the image persists it will be displayed again with a new monitor. This will not happen if you destroy a painting or a sculpture.



By Andromeda's light, who contested this?





The way a hologram works is very different from the way an LCD screen works so NO it is not an analogy for this AT ALL.



You the one who needs to be asked this question if you think a hologram is similar to an LCD screen.





Oh right, my bad. Shadows doesn't exist, but I can see them. What marvelous magic. LMAO!

LordReed:
You are the one being silly. The VR images are NOT made of light. The tech in a VR is similar to your monitor or phone screen, just that the googles are presenting 2 images, 1 to each eye to make it seem like 3D.

I didn't mention hologram. VR is not hologram. Computer Monitor or phone screen is not hologram. So what is the point of mentioning hologram?

For someone who cannot grasp that a shadow is not material, you are not in a position to lecture me about light and its properties.

LordReed:
Dude VR is not made of material hence the name VIRTUAL. It's an illusion!

Please don't go around telling people VR is material, it might make them think of committing you.

LordReed:
Just as one can have images in one's head without a screen or light.

LordReed:
And when you don't find it you had better apologize and quit attributing your baseless assumptions to me.

LoLz! Then the song is material, it's made up of sound waves! Your ill logic will be your own trap. Bwahahahahaha!

plaetton:
Neurons and their activities produce consciousness.
The mind is a derivative of neural activities, not the other way round.

LordReed:
Same difference. The CPU that is processing is creating an immaterial image that is conveyed to you by physical means of a screen and your eyes. It's very simple if you accept that a song is immaterial then it's no great leap to see that the CPUs output is also immaterial.

By Andromeda! Did you go to sharpen your strawman making skills?! I never said anywhere that a thought can be seen on a computer screen. Maybe you should go over the thread and don't make unfounded assumptions. And hopefully this isn't going to be a pattern you continue with, attributing to me things I never said or even implied.

Do you think the computer constructs we call virtual reality are material or immaterial?

plaetton:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8907974/#:~:text=Neuroscience%20has%20furnished%20evidence%20that,the%20features%20of%20our%20experience.

Here is an excerpt from the long article.

Neuroscience research, led by the funding that supports it, is dominated by research into disorders of the nervous system. The pursuit of treatments and cures (and the research efforts into understanding the normal function of the brain) builds on decades of discovery into all levels of neural organization – seemingly none of it reliant on knowing very much at all about consciousness. Studies of how consciousness is generated, and why it has the characteristics it does, is nevertheless a focus of considerable interest and effort. There is no consensus about how it is generated, or how best to approach the question, but all investigations start with the incontrovertible premise that consciousness comes about from the action of the brain.

The approach the majority of neuroscientists take to the question of how consciousness is generated, it is probably fair to say, is to ignore it. Although there are active research programs looking at correlates of consciousness, and explorations of informational properties of what might be relevant neural ensembles, the tacitly implied mechanism of consciousness in these approaches is that it somehow just happens. This reliance on a “magical emergence” of consciousness does not address the “objectively unreasonable” proposition that elements that have no attributes or properties that can be said to relate to consciousness somehow aggregate to produce it. Neuroscience has furnished evidence that neurons are fundamental to consciousness; at the fine and gross scale, aspects of our conscious experience depend on specific patterns of neural activity – in some way, the connectivity of neurons computes the features of our experience. So how do we get from knowing that some specific configurations of cells produce consciousness to understanding why this would be the case? Behind the voltages and currents electrophysiologists measure is a staggeringly complex system of electromagnetic fields – these are the fundamental physics of neurons and glia in the brain. The brain is entirely made of electromagnetism (EM) phenomena from the level of the atoms up. The EM field literally manifests the computations, or signaling, or information processing/activities performed by connected cellular ensembles that generate a 1st-person perspective. An investigation into the EM field at the cellular scale provides the possibility of identifying the outward signs of a mechanism in fundamental terms (physics), as opposed to merely describing the correlates of our mental abstractions of it.

LordReed:
I am not sure what you are trying to convey but you seem to be contradicting yourself. You say a song is immaterial, but you can hear it just fine while rejecting that the image on your computer screen is immaterial yet can be seen. Very contradictory.

BTW what do the words "virtual reality" convey to you?

Kukutente23:
Which court found Trump a racist. Educate me.

Vance claimed those comments were influence by fake news from the media. He should have done better to establish the truth before making comments just as I'm admonishing you to do now

gtassure:
You right! But when people pray for 5 days out of 7days of the week what do will call that!

Kukutente23:
Jeez. You sound like someone bitten by woke virus
All your grouse with Vance has to do with him calling his political opponents names. You make it sound like he called them barren. He was referring to the lifestyle they chose. Why am I defending him anyway?
You don't have a problem with Trump being called racist and rapist which are lies but you have a problem with childless ladies being called childless?
Cmon man. You need to come off the leftist train. Never good for mental health

plaetton:
1. False
For more than 100yrs now, we have been making transistor radios(material objects) that generate electrical signals( immaterial) across miles. In fact, the transistor has transformed life on earth as we know it.

Pianos( tangible) produce music ( intangible).

2. I think I opened a thread several years ago to show that freewill is not freewill.
Even the bacteria in our bowels control what we think is our own freewill.

plaetton:
My Ol pal,
You know on a private level, I might say that agree with you on most of these postulations and educated guesses( which is what they are). But that a notion sounds good to me, for which I might be inclined to ' brlieve ' is not the same as accepting it as fact. Facts are built upon evidence.
There are a lot of things I personally believe, for which there are no factual evidence to support them. So , they would always remain in the realms of postulations and myths.

Dreamhans1:
Ok then, I was about his policies not his person.
We need a wake up call in africa

plaetton:
I don't need to read the post to be able to refute the argument that mind is this or that.
It's like saying that information is independent of the source.
Brain ( matter) generates consciousness ( mind). Consciousness is not independent of the brain that generates it. A foetus becomes conscious only when the electrical activity in the brain reaches a certain voltage threshold.
Consciousness, a.k.a mind, is the product of electrical activity in the physical brain.
Brain injuries in different parts of the brain helps us to understand how mind, reality and perspective are controlled by the physical brain.
Even the ' spiritual experience ' is housed and controlled and affected by a certain portion of the brain.

Pls read up on Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and the Religious experience.

Dreamhans1:
Bro so you know, we are talking about trump policies here and not about Hitler

plaetton:
No I didn't. I wasn't even aware of it.

Dreamhans1:
Uncle exactly what you just heard. Or you don't have a hearable rebuttal

Dreamhans1:
his policies about Africa isn't bad

plaetton:
Sounds quite sweet and romantic as a belief, to soothe our anxieties about our mortality.
No evidence has ever been adduced to support the so-called non-physical. Even in spooky arena of sub-atomic physics (quantum physics), we still employ scientific methodology to try understand it bit by bit.

" just believe me bro " just doesn't cut it.


No evidence.
How you feel or one's personal perspective is not the same as EVIDENCE.
Evidence means something that is objectively standard to anyone, everyone, everywhere, everytime.

Calitoscassius:
Ofcourse, i have never met Hitler either. You and I are only believing what we are told about Hitler. Infact, Hitler never harmed anyone personally from what i read.

Westman001:
Alot.

We hard many laughs in 2016 n before. The name calling is mostly funny too.

Sleepy Joe
Lifeless buhari


And he has started already.

Calitoscassius:
Yes, the same way being a drugs addict or a drunk can he therapeutic also.

plaetton:
You know that's just an educated guess, at best.

If scientific investigation, the foundation of everything we currently know about the universe, cannot explain spirit or God, then what are basis for a belief not grounded in the immutable laws of math and physics?
If we don't have foundational basis (science) with which to understand reality, then it all comes down to " just believe me bro" .

Versitee:
Well, science can explain things about me. For example, science can explain how my heart beat is crucial to my living.

Science can explain how to take care of my body.

U Gerrit?

Versitee:
I don't think the existence of God should be a debate. You can't look at the universe and think you can observe God.

God is a spirit, not a scientific fact.

That is the issue. Everything else can be explained by science (or almost everything)

So why can't God.

Franking:
Many ways? Kindly enlighten me.

plaetton:
Since the dawn of human history, Religious people have advanced all sorts of arguments to support the existence of whatever God or diety that they believe in. In the prescience era, their arguments carried a lot weight, mostly because, proof or evidence was not required.
In modern scientific era, goddists have struggled to explain the existence of ,their particular God, in the face of numerous advances in knowledge about the universe, our Earth and biological life.

So these days, the Religious folks have to do quiet a lot logical acrobatics, mostly absurd fallacies, to justify their fate.

In this particular forum, non believers have been asked several times to prove that God does not exist.

Well, even though it is the responsibility of the believers to show proof of the existence of God, the of Nigeria does make a compelling case ,in fact, absolute proof, that God does not exist.
This is a nation of 200m+ people who expend the most time and energy to worship and prayer to God.
In my 50+ years of life, no single prayer has been answered in Nigeria and for Nigeria.
Despite our absurd fixation of religion and our religiosity, Nigeria can best be described as a God-forsaken nation.

When will it become conscious in our minds that whoever sold us this grand bogy, has left us holding the bag full of desert sand ?

How long shall we continue to carry this bag of desert sand ?

Cc: Deepsight

Franking:
The level of superstition and ignorance here is mind boggling.

Haven't you seen a dead body before?

Africans don't just die. Either village people or competitors or even imaginary enemies.