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Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:15pm On May 03
bemeruca:
If they are a community that draws attention, crimes, welfare issues, housing, etc. and other things like high rate of car accidents... It can draw attention.

The question is not “were Haitians illegal?” No, many were not.
The question is: does Trump having an issue with TPS or Haitian TPS holders prove he is against legal migrants because of race? That still does not automatically follow.
There is much evidence that his issue is not about legal immigration but the immigration of non-whites generally. I only cited the cats and dogs case as one example, even at that, just look at how you have gotten your knickers in a twist trying to defend the indefensible.
Nairaland GeneralRe: Welcome To The Nerd - Philosophy, Existentialism by DeepSight(op): 6:13pm On May 03
budaatum:
I am not presenting it as the same argument, but as a different argument entirely, for consideration, if you will.

I think, only because I exist, and would not be thinking if I do not exist. But I do understand that some may not be like me, and their existence is proven by the fact that they think. Though note that I do not need to consider whether you think or not before I can determine your existence or not.

If I become brain dead at this particular moment, and become incapable of thinking, I will still exist despite having no thoughts in my head. I will still need food and have my bum cleaned, despite my lack of thought. Same as I obviously must still exist when I sleep and dream not.
Valid and interesting interjections. I would however, contest that beyond knowing that one himself exists, we can know for certain that other people exist. Every other person could be a hallucination of some sort. "Cogito" does not infer the existence of other people.
Christianity EtcRe: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by DeepSight(m): 6:05pm On May 03
voiceunheard:
Zero legally wrong?

Do you know what detrimental reliance is all about?
I do, still, the context does not provide enough to hold him to legally.
You cant hold a person who simply promised you help legally liable if he was not obliged to give you that help.

To hold a person liable in a scenario where you have relied on his words to your detriment, there needs to be elements of 1, intention to induce reliance, 2, clear and unequivocal statements, 3, detriment, 4, loss, 5, unconscionability. Other scenarios include some sort of professional mis-advise for example, or torts (civil wrongs) where there was a duty of care on one side.

Your reliance on this pastor's promise of help is not certain by any means to be considered reasonable. He was virtually a stranger.
Drop this thing and move on, at the rate you are going the man may actually be the one to have a legitimate case against you.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:58pm On May 03
bemeruca:
Yes, there is no hope that you can conjure a reasonable argument from that.

If your argument is “Trump used ugly rhetoric about Haitians,” say that.

If your argument is “Trump has no legal right to end TPS,” prove that.

If your argument is “Trump ended TPS because of race,” prove the racial motive.

But TPS people were legal at the time does not change the fact that TPS is temporary by law.

Temporary means it can end.

Dogs and cats are not proof.

You are hardly a reasonable person because of bias wrapped in hatred.
Its tiresome how you dont realize the irrelevance of TPS being temporary. The issue is its legality because the original question was whether its only illegals he had an issue with. The Haitians were not illegals but he still had an issue with them.

Anyway, no point talking to stone.
Christianity EtcRe: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by DeepSight(m): 5:20pm On May 03
voiceunheard:
You know why you are saying this? Because you don't know the aftermath of the promise. He made a massive unprovoked commitment to someone in crisis without a genuine effort/plan to fulfill it.
Morally wrong perhaps. Even at that, probably just careless rather than morally wrong. Truth is people fail even with good intentions. But there is zero legal wrong.
CrimeRe: How Lagos Couple Tortured Adopted Daughter To Death, Hid Corpse (Photo) by DeepSight(m): 5:15pm On May 03
tctrills:
This is no point.
Every day we hand our kids over to strangers in the name of teachers at school. There have been cases of teachers doing very bad things to kids but we do not kill our kids because we fear to hand them over to strangers.

There are irresponsible biological parents, there are irresponsible foster parents and there are irresponsible adopted parents but saying that the solution is to kill the unborn, that's crazy.

I would not want my child to be with a stranger but you are telling me that the alternative is to murder my unborn, I will choose the stranger everytime over killing a human being.

Have I answered your question ❓
Not when you insist on framing the alternative as murder when it is not.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:10pm On May 03
bemeruca:
What does eating cat and dogs has to do with what we are talking?

If they have temporary protected status and Trump decides not to renew it, it still does not prove anti immigration.
It's hopeless.
CrimeRe: How Lagos Couple Tortured Adopted Daughter To Death, Hid Corpse (Photo) by DeepSight(m): 4:50pm On May 03
tctrills:
I don't understand. What's going on?
I was telling you just the other day that some people rightly fear giving out their children to strangers. On the abortion discussion.
Yes, this is not the US, but it is still telling on the question as to how strangers can treat an adopted or foster child.

There have actually even been criminal cases in the US where a family deliberately signs up to foster children only for the purpose of the payments that come with it and abuse those children thoroughly.
Christianity EtcRe: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by DeepSight(m): 4:47pm On May 03
LordReed:
Then charge him to court if you think he can be held liable. I can promise you you be laughed out of the court.
Absolutely. This kind of case can even lead to the lawyer who brings it being penalized for frivolity and abuse of court processes.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:44pm On May 03
bemeruca:
Full, something that is temporary has an end. It's like saying Trump has issues with people who overstayed their visa. No, the visa has expired, it's the country's law that has issues with it.

Their temporary status has ended or trump is ending it because it is temporary. This is so hard to get?
God have mercy. Had their TPS ended when Trump was lying about them eating cats and dogs and whipping up crowds against them?
Nairaland GeneralRe: Welcome To The Nerd - Philosophy, Existentialism by DeepSight(op): 4:39pm On May 03
NerdCat:
Thanks for giving me audience.
The pleasure is all mine - the high quality in your thought processes was noticeable right away and for me such a thing is almost like a narcotic to a drug-addict.

No. I find all evidence presented in support of the concept to be insufficient and the logical architecture of classical theism - in particular - to be structurally compromised.
Classical theism aside, do you countenance the purely philosophical concept of the existence of a necessary thing, a necessary first cause of this material and finite world / plane / dimension / reality.

I refer to necessary things in philosophy as opposed to contingent things -

https://philosophy.lander.edu/intro/necessity.shtml

And if God were defined strictly as -

That self existent root of all other existence. Would you say that such exists.

I think, therefore I am. 🙃
Cogito ergo sum. Descartes.

But this saying is used as logical deduction that we exist - and not of an explanation of what we are. But one concedes that it may also demonstrate that we are thinking beings.

Tho I suspect you're looking for a more rigorous answer, so I'll say that I'm an arrangement of matter that just happens to be conscious, and self-aware. I'm not entirely sure how I gained this awareness, though I can try to speculate. I'm equally not sure how much more time I have left on this planet.
Do you think that a machine could achieve self consciousness? I ask this question because personally I doubt it strongly and it is related to the issue of whether any configuration of matter alone could achieve the same.

In thinking of these questions please let me know if you think a machine can ever feel pain.

Meaning for me isn't discovered, but constructed. I don't believe in an objective meaning of life, as per the religious rhetorics for instance. Personally, I build my own meaning of life from my curiosity of life itself, the people around me, the universe in general etc. If I hard to pick my current purpose/meaning - it's to acquire sufficient material resources in terms of food, money, and more, to satisfy myself and my loved ones for as long as I can breathe.
Fair enough - at the subjective level. Am I to take it that you are firm in your mind that there is no purpose of this world inherent in any external factor beyond us?

No, and I think the desire for it is psychologically understandable but also quite dangerous in epistemic terms, as it too easily becomes the engine driving belief rather than the conclusion following from evidence. What I find more interesting is the question of whether "I" persist continuously even now, between sleep cycles. That one keeps me up at night, fittingly enough.
Eureka! I have found it!
I have finally found someone who wonders about one of the strange things I wonder about. Because I have strange thoughts, wondering for example if I have not already passed on and happen to still be having a human experience in another dimension cut off from the last point when I was awake or conscious. This leads to / springs from / is related to several other considerations some of which question whether this reality or experience is real or simulated. So let me ask if you think experience is real, or a sort of imposed virtual reality.

What do you think of that possibility and of Simulation Theory? Maybe you can also chip in here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8621001/lordreed-revisiting-simulation-reality
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:17pm On May 03
cococandy:
They literally just stopped legal immigration from 50 black and brown countries.
These liars can keep deceiving themselves and their moms but we all know the truth
There are a million pieces of proof to cite!
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:17pm On May 03
bemeruca:
Who said its illegal?
Are you challenged? Like seriously? Do you have to be painstakingly walked through every discussion?
The issue at hand is whether Trump is against even legal migrants on grounds of race.

I showed you one group he has displayed that same hostility to - even when they are not illegal.
Simple.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:09pm On May 03
raumdeuter:
It is Temporary
bemeruca:
Temporary oga. Holding on to delusia
I repeat, temporary is NOT illegal.
TPS is legally issued by govt.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:48pm On May 03
raumdeuter:
Haitians here on TEMPORARY protective status.

The word Temporary has a meaning
TPS is not illegal period.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:45pm On May 03
raumdeuter:
The rich and successful people are our problems. Lets take their wealth. Says a leftist whether its in South Africa or in New York
Escapist.
CelebritiesRe: Why I Stopped Going To Church — Funke Akindele by DeepSight(m): 3:39pm On May 03
victorazyvictor:
Na the truth na...
Lol, what about many who simply understand that churches are scam business centres?
CelebritiesRe: Why I Stopped Going To Church — Funke Akindele by DeepSight(m): 3:29pm On May 03
victorazyvictor:
Na lie!
Anybody that avoids church is 1. Stingy or not real, patronise native doctors.

Is she popular than Dr. Paul Enenche or Pa Oyedepo or Apst. Suleiman?
Why the stingy part tho

grin
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:18pm On May 03
bayelsaowei:
The conservatives dislikes immigration as a whole. Forget the sell outs here saying the Conservative Party is all for legal immigration. Lies and rubbish.

The green card process is now being attacked. Immigrant VISA interview dates for those who are being processed via the right channel is now slow paced and highly frustrating or stalled.


How about immigrants who have done everything right and ready to obtain citizenship? The Trump administration and its conservative goons have ensured some immigrants who are already approved for U.S. citizenship are delayed and even last-minute cancellations of their oath ceremonies.

Suddenly the “we are going after the worst of the worst criminals” has turned into a crackdown on immigration all together.
Everyone knows this. Bemeruca and raumdeuter inclusive, dont let them deceive you.
Some people were even arrested or turned away at the point of coming for their oath taking ceremonies.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:13pm On May 03
bemeruca:
He does not have anything against them. What is their status?
Why then did he slur them as eating cats and dogs. And campaigned for them to be removed. Even after it was shown to be false he still went to a rally and whipped up the crowd to chant throw them out.

You are deceiving yourself.

The claim that conservatives are only against illegals is a huge scam.

At its root, people like Trump are against colored people, period. They dont care about white illegal immigrants a jot, and there are many of those, but they barely even check.

The issue is immigration of coloured people. Its racism, period.

If I wasnt getting used to you folk, I would have been shocked that anyone would say Trump had nothing against the Haitian legal immigrants in Ohio. But now I understand you.

Barefaced lying is normal.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:05pm On May 03
bemeruca:
None. Conservative are pro legal migration.
Liberals are pro illegal migration


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIpUfS9N4tw
You are in denial.
Tell me what Trump had against legal Haitian immigrants for example?
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 3:00pm On May 03
bemeruca:
You are lost and misguided.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQn0ZuodyI
Between the Democrat and Republican parties, which party has a policy against immigration to the United States?
Simple.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:59pm On May 03
GracieX3:
This is brain dead in so many ways

1. Conservatives are anti-immigration. The particular black xenophobic south Africans are anti-immigration.
2. The same xenophobes do not like their fellow blacks. You don't see them fighting white immigrants. Just like how uncle Tom Conservatives don't care about racism from whites and white privilege but will fight DEI and blast black Americans. They dont care about Trump's white DEI hires eg (Hesgeth and Kristi Noem)
Perfectly said.
Oh he knows the bold. He is just fooling around. Dont be deceived.
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 2:56pm On May 03
NerdCat:
Agnostic feels the closest, yes. I don't dismiss the spiritual outrightly. The existence of consciousness alone gives me sufficient pause for that. But what I resist - often strongly - is the leap from "materialism is incomplete" to any specific theological architecture like perhaps Christianity or Islam.
Completely resonates with me.

I am curious. Even tempted to create a thread to "interview" you here. I have a history as a resident Larry King on this board. Let's do it.

https://www.nairaland.com/8664951/welcome-nerd-philosophy-existentialism
Nairaland GeneralWelcome To The Nerd - Philosophy, Existentialism by DeepSight(op): 2:56pm On May 03
Welcome, Nerdcat

Your very well weighed responses to a few theological / philosophical matters interest me. Can you summarize your worldview for our benefit. Lets start with -

- Do you believe in the existence of God
- What do you think you are
- What is the meaning / purpose of life to you
- Do you believe in life after death

Many thanks.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:46pm On May 03
raumdeuter:
Answer what?

Which side protest, destroy properties, want to claim what others worked for. They are victims. Nothing is ever their fault.
Stop playing around.
The question was simply what side makes noise about immigrants and immigration?
We all know the answer.
Dont bother.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:38pm On May 03
bemeruca:
The Black community. also, illegal migrants
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Looney.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:38pm On May 03
raumdeuter:
Conservatives in the US want legal immigration
They are big on faith and family values
Does this sound like the South African guy on the street protesting

Democrats have been protesting every weekend burning stuff like in the summer of love
raumdeuter:
In the USA one side wants legal immigration one side wants chaos and blame everyone else for their failures
Wager over. We both knew you would not answer.
CrimeRe: Benin Man Orders ₦1.2M Phone Online, Attempts To Run Away After Receiving It by DeepSight(m): 2:37pm On May 03
JuanDeDios:
This post reminds me of Ishola Oyenusi. Girlfriend told him her birthday was near. Most men who have no money would have shrugged and explained that they're broke, or go out to hustle for something - or, if they're really foolish, go and borrow. But not Ishola. Dude brought out his gun from where he kept it, went to Herbert Macaulay Way in Yaba, stopped the first brand new car he saw, killed the owner, fenced the car, and viola - birthday party money was ready.
https://web.facebook.com/Ajayireports/posts/the-man-who-dared-death-the-twisted-legend-of-dr-ishola-oyenusiin-the-turbulent-/1310102234453527/?_rdc=1&_rdr#
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 2:15pm On May 03
raumdeuter:
Actually those black South African are examples of the average liberal who are perpetual victims and seek to blame everyone else for their problems

Sounds familiar?

South African blame others, liberals blame others
In the USA, which side blames immigrants?
Both you and I know that you will not answer this question.
TV/MoviesRe: If You Know About This You Are A Great Legend by DeepSight(m): 1:49pm On May 03
mmadu4:
Marriage is not an achievement. A child is not either . But we have to do it because of pressure
You dont have to do jack.
CrimeRe: How Lagos Couple Tortured Adopted Daughter To Death, Hid Corpse (Photo) by DeepSight(m): 1:41pm On May 03
tctrills. As if your God wanted to help me debate you.

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