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tctrills:
To your last paragraph, give me your reason first because O don't see reason for the question.

If you are, I want to hear your view on Trumps attacks on the Pope.

To your first paragraph, you claim accusing a young man of murder stops being racism if the actions of the innocent man is perceived by his accusers to be racist.

Oga even you must accept that this racism thing is making no sense.

By your logic, if I wrongfully accuse you of being racist as was the case of Kyle, I am not racist but in Trump's case, he is racist.

Can I beg you for a mighty favour. Please explain this to me like I am 10 years old. This one over me, I confess.

Make it simple, show how leftist are not racist in accusing Kyle but Trump is a racist.

Note, Kyle did not even shoot a black man

I was only providing context to show you its quite different from the case of the kids. I did not say my view.

tctrills:
Please what do the Epstein files prove against Trump?

Answer the above because that's the easiest to fact check.

Anyone accusing Trump of molesting minors, should we call such a person a racist?

How about a white man who still believes OJ Simpson is guilty of killing is wife even after the jury found him innocent, is he a racist?

From what is in the public space already, every unbiased person knows Trump has engaged in those degenerate acts.
My problem with you is this knee jerk defense of all things white supremacist, Trumpian and Jewish supremacist.
Just be balanced. I dont think I have heard you criticize a single thing Trump has ever done.

Are you catholic?

GloriousGbola:
if tinubu thought like you , ACN would be a lagos party to this day

what is lagos money against federal money?
what was lagos income when bola tinubu was sworn in vs when he left?

is it his fault that peter obi had no actual strategy to grow anambra's income?

all i hear you saying is oh lagos state has so much money so Bola tinubu just threw money at elections - the end
did we not see acn lose in ekiti and in ondo?

i am sorry, but all you are doing is dropping defeatist excuses. it is fine if in you want to belive that all Bola tinubu needed was lagos budget please go ahead.

Bola is one of the most clever politicians so it was not just money, but the money factor cannot be played down. However I still dont think you can compare the fund generating potential of the two states. Not by a mile.

Kukutente23:
So after losing elections in Ekiti and Ohdo did he stop there or he sponsored more candidates? When Aregbec lost in Osun, I'm sure it was your saliva they used to gather the best lawyers in Nigeria to fight the case
Without money, you can't achieve anything in Nigeria's politics
It is same money that made AC from Lagos to enter all the SW states. Why hadn't APGA being able to add one state to Anambra? Ojukwu is not popular enough or Igbos don't like APGA abi?
And for the records, alpha beta grew Lagos income not Tinubu. Reduce your lies
And for you to be comparing federal money with state money only shows your ignorance

Alpha Beta is Tinubu effectively, no?

LottiOk:
You knew this all along but kept decieving your fellow opposition/Obidents that they can be win PBAT in next year's elections. After giving many Obidents false hope, you're now clearly stating the obvious facts even though you still display your usual illogical reasoning in those 3 points you outlined could give the opposition an edge.

The way You Obidents enjoy lying to yourselves and think your lies will ever manifest as Truth really baffles me.

Why do you think I am an Obidient? How do you know I am not Atikulated or Kwankwasiyad or even Sowored? And when did I tell anyone that opposition or Obi will win next year? Stop telling lies and making assumptions okay?

The only person I have ever voted for President is Gani Fawehinmi.
And the only other time I escorted my family to the polling both, I asked them to vote Nuhu Ribadu.

basilico:
Deepsight . Here is proof AI chatbots can make up stories.

March 8 this year. I was following PDC UK open Darts festival from flashscore.com and I asked Gemini what's the latest.

Gemini reply: Gerwin Price had just beaten Johnny Clayton 10-4.

My response: They haven't played yet it's Josh Rock and a guy from Poland.

Gemini then corrected itself and said the match has not yet begun.

In any case Gerwin Price beat Johnny Clayton 10-8 not the 10-4 the bot had claimed.

Trust AI at your own risk. On several other occasions Gemini has made up it's own results when it comes to PDC darts.

I am aware and I counter check. Its even better now, in the early stages the thing used to write some real gibberish.

tctrills:
Let's break it down: the guys were young, and Trump spent money to push a false narrative against them. The only difference here is that your Leftists did not spend money to push their campaign against Kyle Rittenhouse. Even after he was exonerated, they continued to push the false narrative. And Kyle was really young. So the only thing that made Trump's case different was the money he spent. Is that what makes Trump a racist while you leftist are not?
Note, many on the left are spending campaign dollars accusing Trump of all kinds of things on the non-existent Epstein files. Are they racists?

I think the Kyle Rittenhouse case is markedly different because of the context of the riots about the police shooting of black a black man. Therefore his actions were seen as attempting to defend a racist police shooting - seven shots which left the victim paralyzed. I am only giving context. Very different scenario.

However, one thing you should know is that I know there are racists on the left too, but just far less and racism is not an ideology they way it is for the right, even if unsaid.

Epstein files are non existent?
You are truly on something.

Are you Catholic. I have a reason for asking which has nothing to do with anything debated in the last few days.

GloriousGbola:
So this is the thing. I am from kwara state. Kwara has 16 lgas. The only lga you probably know is ilorin, the capital city. Same for most states in Nigeria. Many lgas but only the capital is really developed like that. The rest are mostly backwater. You will see your free and organized elections in the capital city, but the game is run in the hinterlands. It is only in your capital city you have an educated middle class that are actually focused on the election. Go to your impoverished back water lga and for them election is a in 1200 when they can get some free food and maybe small dash.

The governors largely have control over the election machinery in their states. Off the top of my head osun is the only state I have seen that may be a true battleground state where multiple actors control the electorate.

Most other states the governor has full control over the outcome via his lieutenants. Wike was a lieutenant elevated to governor which is one reason why he is still in control. He has a full understanding of the electoral process in rivers.

I am saying you may see high turnout in the capital cities, but it will ultimately mean nothing. It is actually more likely that the capital cities will have people preferring to relax at home rather than queue in the sun and rain to vote.

Also thanks to orange man, the voice of international observers is no longer what it used to be. We are now learning work where America is concerned in election mago mago.

Very well and intelligently analysed.

Lol @ learning work from orange man. True!

tctrills:
This is being lousy. Whenever a white man accuses a black man of a crime, is it racism?
So, when you guys (Black guys) accuse Trump of various crimes, are you being racist?

You guys are making the definition of racism to be some kind of mystery.

Many leftists on this platform accused Kyle Rittenhouse of murder. Would you today call all your leftist friends on this platform racists?

You miss the point about the central park five. Many blacks/ latinos have been accused of crime without racism being brought up. It was the way Trump went about it. He took out full page adverts in four newspapers at a cost of 85k USD to demand the death penalty even before anything was proven (only two weeks after the incident) and worse than this, after they were exonerated he never withdrew his stance or apologized for it. After New York City settled a lawsuit with the five men for $41 million in 2014, Trump wrote an op-ed in the Daily News calling the settlement a "disgrace" and a "terrible mistake."

On top of all this, I hope you know those guys were juveniles between the ages of 14 and 16.

GloriousGbola:
To win the game you have to play by the rules handed over to you.

Yardua won by a landslide voted in by the likes of micheal Jackson. Obj reordered the Constitution so that presidential polls and gubernatorial polls are on different days. One of the reasons all these parties can't hack it is because they all go back to the heyday of pdp when they were all funded and mobilized from the center. Now they have to rely on the pockets of party bigwigs who expect solid positions for their spend.

I do not like Wike, but the man carried pdp for 8 years with rivers money. He was an abrasive prick who would have likely damaged pdp as a front runner. But the way they betrayed him was well and truly fked. And it is a lesson to everyone else. These guys can take your money and still dump you unceremoniously.

That is the game they have created.

Tinubu is took the game handed to himnane ran with it.

No doubt as a politician, Bola is in a class of his own. Personally I dont think he can be defeated as a sitting president because he will pull every trick in the book and will be open to rigging in every sense. He will also be ready to take drastic steps to stay in power. I believe he can only lose if all of the following conditions are met -

1. The opposition is united behind a single candidate. Votes are not split as was in 2023.

2. There is a massive turn out on election day and people wait to see results and defend their vote.

3. The International Community that count quietly warn Bola of severe consequences to any dictatorial abuse of the system in order to sit tight.

Even with all this, it will be a stretch to beat him as sitting president.

As for Wike, that one is from the gutter. He is a pure cancer in the system.

tctrills:
A little distraction from the abortion and poverty argument

https://youtube.com/shorts/-9yex88xao0?si=6XGAVlIYGXM191KN

1. Trump has been accused of racism long before politics. Long long before. Ever heard of the Central Park Five? Also he and his father were long accused of discriminating against blacks in housing / real estate projects.

2. Its lousy when people mention black celebrities who Trump has associated with. Celebrity pull is celebrity pull.

basilico:
So when is the exact time it won't be taking away a life?
15 weeks, 20 weeks?

It will be arbitrary for me to place a specific number of days or weeks to it, but I have said that once it has taken on the human form, I feel queasy about it.

To divert tangentially spiritually, several schools of thought also believe that the spirit incarnates into the body at a specific time during pregnancy. Some say this is around the middle of pregnancy but for me, the time would be around when it has form and begins to exhibit consciousness. I dont know about the timing for sure but it resonates with me. I just cant see what appears to be for all purposes something like a tiny cell as a human being. No, for me, at the early stages it is not a human being. It is only a potential.

basilico:
Yes that is correct. The German chancellor recently said the Iran war is unjust and Iran is humiliating America.
Trump has now decided to withdraw 5000 troops stationed on German soil. You know what that means.. Besides the local restaurants, stores,movie theatre , pubs etc losing customers , it's a warning , play ball before shooting off your mouth.

Trump has also ordered 25% tariffs on EU vehicles. Who will be the hardest hit. Germany whose revenues from automobiles is very significant.

With EU telling members not to buy cheap Russian gas and oil. With Germany shutting down nearly all it's nuclear and coal plants energy is now expensive . Which doesn't help a manufacturing giant.
Add to their refusal to join Operation End Fury. Global oil and gas prices have shot up as a result of the Straits of Hormuz blockade.
The German economy is already taking a hit from their policies and the money they give Ukraine. They can force Zelensky to the negotiating table but it will make Trump win the Nobel prize.

25% tariffs on their vehicles will impact German economy more than the troop withdrawal.

Played as a Russian asset.

tctrills:
Can you believe that one Nigerian Leftist here on Nairaland was arguing that it is better to kill your unborn than present it for adoption? The evil culture is already here. People go dey marry rubbish these days.

If you are referring to Graciex3's comment, it is valid for her to point out that people may not be comfortable giving their children to strangers. That is a very valid concern and an instinctive one too, and I also pointed it out myself in case you missed it.

And if you are referring yo her, what do you mean that "people go marry rubbish these days" We can certainly say that your wife has married rubbish too since you can talk like that so cavalierly.

And abortion is not necessarily killing your child. I dont think it is killing or murder to for example stop a one week pregnancy.

tctrills:
An update, in another calculation, Gemini gave me
Variable, Amount
Total Means-Tested Spending (1964–2026),~$26.0 Trillion
Estimated Weighted Share for Black Recipients, ~19%
Estimated Cumulative Amount, ~$4.94 Trillion

So even in the most conservative calculations, Blacks have received about 5 trillion dollars. That is 10 times the Nigerian GDP. You gave black America 10 of Nigeria, and they did nothing with it, and I am here hating Tinubu.

There is something wrong with you.

1. What is wrong with 19% for 13% of the population who you acknowledge form the poorer demographic? Because in fact if this is a correct percentile then what on Earth are you complaining about? It would actually mean that as the poorer demographic they were still not getting enough comparatively.

2. You have acknowledged in another post that blacks get more as a function of poverty and not a function of race, so what are you on about?

3. You still refuse to accept that the Six Trillion figure is not what was "given" to blacks - certainly not in the way you claimed - you claimed it as some sort of compensatory gift. There was no such thing. You simply lack the integrity and soundness of character to admit you goofed.

tctrills:
Are you saying that the figures I presented are wrong?
I agree with you, Blacks get more because they are poorer, but my point remains that this money has not improved them in any way. It's almost like a waste. Throwing money at a problem almost never solves it. Fix the culture, and you have fixed black America.

Guess what, the blacks were escaping poverty at a much faster rate before the welfare state was created. Please fact-check this.

Have integrity and withdraw the lie that blacks have been dashed six trillion first.

tctrills:
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Go and amend your post. Are you Catholic? No one said you need to be Catholic. It's just a question.

Also no one said poverty justifies violence. It's just a global fact. That shows it's not about black people. It's about poverty.

basilico:
I don't believe there is any evidence to tie him to Epstein crimes. Period.

Then it is in order for anyone to question the truth of you being a father to daughters.

There is something you may not know. On the floor of congress or Senate a member can make any accusation with no legal repercussions.
They have seen unredacted documents of what was released.. None of them has ever said anything. Tell me why.

Parliamentary immunity is nothing new. I don't think it is true that they have seen fully redacted files. Till date. Certainly not all of them.

Basic123:
Peter OBI is not a match for Tinubu in intelligence and Smartness.

Who be peter OBI?,he has always been a product of luck and circumstances.Everytjing that is needed to succeed in politics for him to come this far were done for him by some People,the spending,the machination,Negotiation,the politicking etc.That is the reason he is always scared of primary.You dont have to spend shi shi to achieve some stuff if you are very smart and intelligent,especially when you have people that ready to spend on you.

I don't think it's true that PO has had everything done for him. I agree BAT is better at politics however. Nonetheless I think PO has a more organic following.

basilico:
Why you like to lie?
God have mercy upon you.

Do you defend Trump on the Epstein matter?

tctrills:
My brother, when you use AI, learn to conduct deep research. Dont worry, I will do it for you.

Since the launch of the "War on Poverty" in 1964, the US has spent over $26 trillion on anti-poverty programs, with total expenditures potentially reaching higher depending on whether state-level contributions and specific program definitions (such as medical vs. cash aid) are included. Current federal spending alone exceeds $1 trillion annually.

Now, on total entitlement benefits, the US has spent $193 trillion

Now the question is, what percentage has gone to the blacks? This is where we apply AI.

[url]Grok[/url]

Around 23-26% of recipients (and a similar share of spending) in major US means-tested welfare programs go to Black Americans, who make up roughly 13-14% of the total US population.
Key Data (Recent Years, e.g., ~2019–2023)

Combined safety net programs (Urban Institute analysis of ~59 million recipients): Non-Hispanic White ~43%, Hispanic ~26%, Black ~23%.
SNAP (food stamps): White ~35-42% (non-Hispanic White lower, around 35-37%), Black ~25-28%, Hispanic ~16%. Blacks are overrepresented relative to population share.
Older or multi-program data (e.g., SNAP + TANF + housing) sometimes shows higher Black shares for specific overlapping benefits, but the broad pattern holds: Whites are the largest group by raw numbers, Blacks are disproportionately represented.

Spending (dollars) tracks recipient shares closely because benefits are allocated per eligible person or household (with adjustments for household size, income, etc.). There is no comprehensive official breakdown showing a dramatically different spending percentage. Black households are overrepresented among recipients due to higher participation rates in programs like SNAP, Medicaid, and TANF, driven by factors such as higher poverty rates, single-parent households, and urban concentration.

ChatGPT

There isn’t a single percentage for “all U.S. welfare” going to any one group, because “welfare” isn’t one program—it includes things like food assistance (SNAP), healthcare (Medicaid), and cash aid (TANF), and each has different data.

Breaking it down (to understand it properly)
1) Food assistance (SNAP)
Black recipients: about 26–27%
White recipients: larger share overall
2) Cash welfare (TANF)
Black recipients: about 27–28%
3) Healthcare (Medicaid)
Black recipients: about 23%

This completely corresponds with Grok. Blacks get more than 23% of all welfare.


Gemini

Program, Black Recipients (%),
SNAP (Food Stamps),~25%,
TANF (Cash Assistance),~28%,
Public Housing,~45%,

This again shows that blacks get nothing less than 23% of all welfare


Now, let's use the lowest figure, 23%. Calculate 23% of 26 trillion

The result is 5.98 trillion

This represents the lowest possible amount blacks get from welfare.
I am usually not wrong with the stats and figures

You want to teach me to use AI and yet your question framing was useless.
At all events, the fact remains that there is no race-based distribution. Where blacks get more, its because there are more poor blacks.
THAT SAYS ENOUGH.

I will not bother asking you to retract your lie that blacks have been dashed six trillion in welfare.

basilico:
Try the same question to Grok which strives to be as fair as possible unlike Gemini which is liberally biased.
Grok says not exactly but

1. The argument can equally be made that Grok is right wing

2. What you attached from Grok affirms that the data came from Heritage Foundation (and we know who they are) and secondly that its not race based but need based.

GloriousGbola:
Tinubu had the same problem with his deputies and with his successors. While he had a much larger vision and goals their vision began and ended in Lagos. But he was still able to push his agenda through.

As to defections and betrayals, after acn got ondo for mimiko, mimiko promptly backstabbed tinubu. Osun has been a battle ground state requiring compromise and alliances.

It is not going to be easy. The fact is we can see how Obi has handled strife in LP, and now in ADC.

To be fair, I dont think he has ever been in the commanding position Bola was in, to enable him whip the troops into line. Yes you can argue that that commanding position has to be won, I will hear. But then again that is costly and comes at a price of massive filthy lucre and for one thing Anambra as a state cannot compare to Lagos in terms of funds/ liquidity / power of patronage / economic power and for another thing PO may simply not be on BAT's level in terms of the capacity for sheer roguery. BAT is a Field Marshall in certain things that PO may never be, but they are mostly things related to smart politicking and ruthlessness.

basilico:
How I respond now to you? . You only know me from what I post here

Your mind is on display here.

And yes, it is frankly incomprehensible for anyone who is a father of daughters to support or defend those who assaulted and abused under age girls as many of you Trumpists have.

tctrills:
I have answered you above but here is some interesting stats.
~48–52% of all black women in the US have killed there unborn.
That half the black women in the US have the mind to take human life. This is a wasted generation.
Do you wonder why they have the worst families.
Do you wonder why black society is a mess?
A society that kills its own even before birth.

Your issue with abortion is rooted in religious doctrine. By the way, are you Catholic?

I hope you are not surprised to find out that black on black murder in the US is by far the highest.
From birth, these people have learnt that it is ok to kill your own.

Has it ever occurred to you that the very term "black on black" is a peculiarity that shows bias? Because no one goes around talking about "white on white" or "latino on latino" that much. It is a usage specifically designed to tell a particular narrative about what is in truth simply higher violence in poorer demographics, which is standard everywhere in the world.

bayelsaowei:
It’s not possible to have a daughter and stand behind/worship a sex offender and a pdf. It’s not possible..

It’s not possible to have a daughter and fight against every initiative that supports the female child..

It’s not possible!!

May heaven bless your gentle soul.

tctrills:
Abi
If the more than 6 trillion black Américai has gotten in entitlement benefits changed nothing, that shows this is not a money problem

QUESTION: IS THE CLAIM THAT BLACK AMERICANS HAVE BEEN GIVEN SIX TRILLION IN ENTITLEMENT BENEFITS TRUE AND IF SO, WHATS THE TIMELINE, AND WHO GOT THESE FUNDS AND ON WHAT BASIS?

GEMINI: The claim that Black Americans specifically have been "given $6 trillion in entitlement benefits" is a mischaracterization of broader figures frequently cited in debates over U.S. welfare policy. There is no official government record or peer-reviewed study that confirms a $6 trillion figure allocated exclusively to Black Americans.

Instead, the "$6 trillion" figure likely stems from a confusion of several distinct data points related to total national spending, specific asset valuations, or recent federal deficit increases.

1. The Likely Origins of the "$6 Trillion" Figure
The specific number $6 trillion appears in two very different contexts within recent economic discourse, neither of which represents an "entitlement payout" to Black Americans:

Total Black Household Wealth: According to data from the Federal Reserve, the total assets held by Black American households (including real estate, pension entitlements, and savings) reached approximately $6 trillion in 2022 (HBCU Money, 2023). This represents the collective net worth and private savings of the population, not government spending.

Recent Federal Deficit Claims: Economic critics, such as those at the Heritage Foundation, have argued that the Biden administration's policies added roughly $6 trillion to the national deficit through various spending bills (Ditch, 2023). These funds were allocated across the entire U.S. population for infrastructure, COVID-19 relief, and climate initiatives, rather than being targeted specifically toward one racial group.

2. Historical Context of Welfare Spending
If the claim is intended to refer to "The War on Poverty" (launched in 1964), the numbers are much larger, but also population-wide:

Total Spending: Research by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation estimated that the U.S. spent approximately $22 trillion on means-tested welfare programs between 1964 and 2014 (Rector, 2014).

Demographic Distribution: While African Americans are disproportionately represented in certain means-tested programs due to higher poverty rates, they have never been the sole or primary recipients of the total expenditure. For example, in most years of the program's history, White Americans have constituted the largest single racial group receiving SNAP (food stamps) and Medicaid benefits.

3. Basis and Eligibility
Federal benefits in the United States are not distributed on the basis of race, as that would violate the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Instead, funds are distributed based on:

Financial Need: Means-tested programs like TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) or Medicaid require recipients to fall below specific income thresholds.

Age and Contribution: "Entitlements" like Social Security and Medicare are based on age and the amount of payroll taxes an individual has paid into the system over their working life.
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cc: GloriousGbola / basilico / Ijebos / cococandy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtyPVFmVQCA

GloriousGbola:
Bola Ahmed Tinubu built what became APC over a period of 9 years from 2006 to 2015. from the ashes of AD after OBJ ran roughshod over everyone else and made PDP the only game in town

he started from lagos and then expanded to a regional party and when the time was right made strategic alliances. he also built a network of support over those 10 years across nigeria - and that network came through for him in the 2023 election. it was not a smooth growth and ACN/AC/APC also suffered losses and setbacks.

all these opposition politicians are trying to shoehorn a decades work into a year. atiku disappears to dubai for two and half years after every election.

i always say Peter obi could have followed the exact template created by Tinubu and grown APGA into an actual regional party controlling the SE as a single voting bloc and having actual negotiating power - but he opted for the easy way of aligning with an almighty PDP.

Well said.

Another thing I always think and say is this. If the opposition cannot make sacrifices of time, they are not ready. I am no lover of BAT, indeed I dislike the man, but to give the devil his dues, not only did he do all you said, he was willing and able to sit back for eight good years to let Buhari go ahead and thereby have a united front capable of unseating the government. That was strategy. That was timing. He didn't even join the ticket as a vice presidential candidate. Stood back on the argument that a Christian was needed.

And not one single one of the leading opposition candidates appears able to do even a fraction of this in terms of making the sacrifice of time to unseat him. They all want to go at once.

If they do that, not even I would vote for them.

cc: wizardofng

I knew France was there before opening!

It's just so funny!

If the opposition factionalize again, let's all just forget it. I would not even advise anyone to bother voting once that happens.

Considering BAT's imperialistic mindset. It may also take an act of God for Nigeria to escape being ruled by him forever. Because this is not about 2027 alone. BAT more than any other president is certain to impose a string of hand picked and loyal successors who will serve him and not Nigeria untill he leaves this world.