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How hard is it for anyone to understand that the life cycle of a human being is not the life cycle of nations? Nations grow and develop over far longer stretches of time.

How hard is it for anyone to understand that a child must make the mistakes of children, an adolescent must have the impulsiveness of adolescents. Why, bemeruca can you not get this into your head. How do you want a 60 year old nation to mirror an England that is over one thousand years old? How do you want a teenager to be the same as an elder?

How are these normal cycles of growth suddenly incomprehensible?

bemeruca:
You cannot be helped.

Goodlawd.

Abeg shift.

Kushites:
SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING RUBBISH.

THE FEDERAL BUDGETARY ALLOCATION TO THE STATES HAS MORE THAN QUADRUPLED, AND THEY ARE ALL CONSTRUCTION SITES NOW, FROM ENUGU TO KADUNA TO SOKOTO TO DELTA.

Why did you leave out the biggest project? N15 Trillion Coastal Road project which was not appropriated, which had no public tender and which did not go through the Bureau of Procurement rules, and which was awarded to an international criminal, Chagoury, who has the son of the president sitting on at least of one his boards?

Sure if you remove subsidies and float the naira, allocations go up but so do prices and so that is cancelled out.

It's like you had one hundred naira before and it could buy one car. And you now have four hundred but that's now the price of the same car.

Kushites:
SHUT UP THERE.

EVERY COUNTRY BORROWS MONEY.

THE AMERICA YOU WORSHIP IS THE WORLD'S LARGEST DEBTOR NATION, OWING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, INCLUDING 3 TRILLION TO CHINA.

AMERICA HAS AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF $7 TRILLION.

BUT STILL BORROWS HEAVILY.

BUT NIGERIA WITH AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF $40 BILLION FOR ALMOST THE SAME POPULATION AS AMERICA, WHEN THE PRESIDENT BORROWS TO BUILD THE COUNTRY, YOU START BLABBING RUBBISH.

HOW DO YOU WANT TO DEVELOP?

BY MAGIC?

ABRACADABRA?

NONSENSE!

The problem is that he borrows to steal, not to build any country.

TV01:
Oga, I am not just small, but miniscule . I am the runt of the family litter, and my family is barely noteworthy in our hamlet .

Please stop strawmanning and artfully tapping out. The question was never about "blacK achievement". It was as follows;

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies

I maintain, I don't personally see anything to suggest they will. If your position is tenable, it should be easy to articulate - regardless of what anyone else thinks or says. I know you hope, but you do not see. As the Bible says, "one does not hope for what one sees"

The floor is yours.


TV

Oh, you have added Arabs and Asians to it?

Interesting.

As for progress, its the inevitable direction of the whole world at this stage, no matter how some parts may struggle and stumble along the way. A certain stage has been reached whereby it's really just a matter of everything permeating to the furthest reaches. It's unstoppable at this point. That you can look at it and practically insist that virtually all non white people will not be part of humanity's overall progress is alarming.

basilico:
Any example of something I posted that was proven wrong.

Many conspiracy theories have not been proven wrong. It is hard to prove that the elite are NOT lizards for example.

basilico:
cococandy.
You never responded to this.

https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/6114#139464104

history lesson for today.

I showed how all Jews in neighbouring Israel were chased away or fled to a man leaving all their properties behind. Most were business people, the Muslims forbade them from owning land then. To this day those Arab countries never returned that wealth , running into hundreds of billions today.
The Arabs who are now called Palestinians were told by invading Arab armies in 1947 to run away so that all Jews in present day could be driven to the sea ie exterminated which is nothing short of genocide.
They fled Israel to the neighbors, around 750,000 of them at most, very few of them alive today.
Their children are called refugees. In international relations successive generations of refugees are not refugees and supposed to be settled by the host countries.
Israel happily resettled all fleeing Jews from all corners of the world,including airlifting a black Jewish community from Ethiopia. Arabs. Said no to Palestinian resettling them. In recent wars Arabs won't resettle their Muslim brothers,it's left to America and Europe to give them a hope and new life .
Arab countries occupying 5.2 million square kilometers of land verses Israel 22,000 sq km could have safely given these people a home. Instead the UN established UNRWA which gave them permanent refugee status. Most of their staff in Gaza are either Hamas militants or support Hamas.
Neighbouring countries that hosted then like Jordan expelled all Palestinians. Reason. They wanted to overthrew the Jordanian king. They went to Lebanon where they caused more problems launching attacks after attacks into Israel and gave rise to Hezbollah.
Others went to Kuwait, when Saddam invaded it, the Palestinians supported Saddam. Kuwait expelled all of them.
This year Qatar expelled their Palestinians because they support Iran.

Palestinians are just an entitled people whose sole reason for existence is to exterminate every Jew. They were given back Gaza , voted for Hamas which immediately set about launching rockets , coming terrorist attacks in Israel whenever they got s chance. Instead of building Gaza , they built massive tunnel networks with the cement they got in aid. The naval blockade exists because Hamas interest was to smuggle weapons from Iran to kill Israelis. They smuggle weapons through tunnels between their border with Egypt. Egypt doesn't want these troublemakers. Egypt has built a multi layered fortified wall barrier along all it's boundary with Gaza. With cameras, armed guards and concertina.
The world berates Israel for it's security fence against Gaza ignoring this wall by Egypt below.

You dont know the history of this matter, worse you are not rational enough to understand it, and worst of all, you have racist beliefs which will at all events support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

bemeruca:
It is a shame that you and C lack basic comprehension.

I told you exactly what you would do: take my post in isolation, remove the context, and pretend I said something different. And that is exactly what you did.

You quoted this part:
My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.

But you deliberately ignored the two main BUTs in my argument:
But internal choices also matter. Leadership matters. Culture matters. Accountability matters. Family structure matters. Greed and selfishness matter. and the other.

That is the context.

My argument has never been that climate, history, colonialism, racism, or education have zero effect.

My argument is that they do not answer the present question of why many African countries are still badly governed, badly maintained, corrupt, tribalistic, and underdeveloped in 2026.

See through this example:
Gravity makes flight difficult, so gravity matters. We humans did not sit down and say, “gravity is a root factor, so flying is impossible.” We used intelligence, science, engineering, to build a mechanism to overcome it.

That is the point.
Climate may create difficulty, just like gravity creates difficulty. But serious societies respond with technology, planning, discipline, institutions, and accountability. Unserious societies turn every difficulty into an excuse.

Many of the climate barriers you are talking about had already been conquered by technology before most African countries gained independence.

You can continue to be ignorant and accept failure because you are normalizing it. Don't just cry when people look at Africa and call it a sheet ole.

If you knew they mattered, you would NOT have called them excuses - to the extent of mocking any mention of them.
As for progress, as with all societies, it doesn't happen overnight.

Rome was not built in a day, but since black men cant build their Rome in a day, they are useless, according to you lot.

Its not just that you attack everything black. It is how when the tables are turned, you defend everything white. That is what shows your colonial mentality and inferiority complex.

TV01 -

For your, concerning your darling Tommy Robinson

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYfBNQ3oQ_y/?igsh=MXhzMXpiOHh0MHp1bg==

GloriousGbola, this should concern you. I am sure the accuracy of the report can and will be challenged, but what is not in doubt is that despite the removals of several subsidies, the govt is still borrowing at a perplexing rate. This is something several senior economists have drawn attention to.

I know already all the story about debt to GDP ratio, but it's still very telling.

I hope you can fairly try to imagine what a future govt is likely to unveil about this govt.

Kushites:
WHY EXACTLY DOES THE SITUATION AMONG 50 MILLION BLACKS IN AMERICA DEFINE WHAT ''BLACK'' IS TO YOU?

DO YOU KNOW THE BLACK POPULATION OF THIS WORLD IS CLOSE TO 2 BILLION?

WHY NOT THE BLACKS IN BOTSWANA?

OR GABON?

OR LESOTHO?

OR IVORY COAST?

OR CAMEROON?

OR SENEGAL?

WHY ARE THE FAR GREATER NUMBERS OF BLACKS LIVING A 'NORMAL' EXISTENCE IGNORED BY YOU, ONLY TO FOCUS ON BLACK AMERICANS, AND THEN USE WHATEVER THEIR SITUATION IS TO LABEL OR DEFINE ''BLACK PEOPLE'' AND ''BLACK CULTURE''?

WHAT SORT OF STUPID NONSENSE IS THAT?

IF BLACKS ARE NATURALLY PRONE TO VIOLENCE, WHY ARE SENEGALESE NOT SLAUGHTERING EACH OTHER ON THE STREETS?

OR GHANAIANS?

OR MALAWIANS?

OR GRENADIANS, BARBADIANS, KENYANS, ZIMBABWEANS, UGANDANS?

THE FACT THAT BLACK AMERICANS HAVE PROBLEMS THAT ARE LARGELY UNIQUE TO THEM SHOULD TELL YOU, IF YOU HAD A WORKING BRAIN, THAT THEIR SITUATION IS STRUCTURAL AND ADAPTIVE, AND HAS A BIG FAT ZERO TO DO WITH THEIR ''SKIN COLOUR''.

IN COUNTRIES WITH A LONG HISTORY OF AGGRAVATED RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AND APARTHEID SUBJUGATION, YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND THE VICTIMISED POPULATION ACTING IN WAYS THAT DIFFER FROM THOSE WHO HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED SUCH A SITUATION.

EVEN LONG AFTER YOU'VE GRANTED THEM 'FREEDOM', WHICH IN ITSELF IS ALWAYS A RIGGED, IMBALANCED 'FREEDOM' THAT STILL CONFINES THEM TO THE LOWEST STATUS.

IT EXPLAINS WHY BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS ARE REPORTEDLY ''LAZY, DRUNKS, ETC ETC''.

ALWAYS THE SAME THING.

ALWAYS THE SAME POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER.

YOU ARE NOT FROM SUCH A SOCIETY, SO HUMBLE YOURSELF, KEEP QUIET, STOP LECTURING THEM, STOP FEELING RACIALLY INFERIOR, AND LEARN!

Dayum!

So so well written.

There is a gang of self hating Trumpists on this forum I have to cc with the hope that your lucid logic will get through to them.

cc: TV01, Tctrills, bemeruca, benalvino3, raumdeuter, basilico.

Further cc: (these do not belong to the above inverse racists: cococandy. LordReed, budaatum, ijebos, graciex3, bayelsaowei

So so well written bro!

bemeruca:
If they ask you to prove this you know you can't.
When you read or take information in isolation, you will never know the context of it.

I am in the mood -
Here you are. . .

bemeruca:
My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.

And these are the very things you spent pages denouncing as excuses. Abi you forgot to remove this from the AI draft?

I said -

DeepSight:
Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play.

Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty.

And Madam C added -

cococandy:
Are you seeing what I’m seeing? All of a sudden the things he calls excuses now matter?

Now history and colonialism matters? It hasn’t even been two pages back when he literally said they were excuses.

I can’t with them. It’s exhausting

So are you joking or what.

If anything this just proves what a waste of time engaging you is.

bemeruca:
If they ask you to prove this you know you can't.
When you read or take information in isolation, you will never know the context of it.

Lol. Don't worry, when I am in the mood I will scroll back and drop your quotes here.

Not for you. For posterity.

bemeruca:
When will you drop Jesus or Jehovah, since our colonizers also brought that along?

Do you benefit from Jesus, Jehovah, the Bible, and the Gospel, or are they automatically bad because they came through colonial history?

You know better, don't argue for the sake of it like Deepsight.

I am not the one who spent forever shouting "excuses!" only to come here and admit that the said excuses matter and then remain daft enough to fail to see that I have ceded the entire debate.

bemeruca:
You should be shouting this to DeepSight, not me.

I am not disputing this at all.

You need to come up with your own magic answers

RodgersAkpafu:
Coonery of the highest order is what we get from these lot

Imagine arguing that speaking the language of a coloniser is a benefit.

these fellows are tripping

Honestly TV01 is the most comical of the lot. Only he has ever argued that blacks have never achieved anything and also never will.

The guy baffles me because he doesn't know how small he is.

TV01:
All of these have been conquered by mankind. They are no longer limiting factors - stop with the excuses bro'


How do you know? Do you imagine "much of white\middle America" care or obsess about BO . And on what basis. If they found a black presidency objectionable, they have their votes. Wyy do northern Nigerians find a non-northern presidency objectionable. Or Nigerians more generally an Igbo one? Please take the advice from my previous response - what ails you requires attention!

No grounds for hatred here sir. Race is not a lead indicator or reference for me. All men are crested the image of God, and all came from one blood.

Some have developed backward and regressive cultures. I say it like it is. You can reference a far-away, unrelated past, and point to an unfathomable distant future. But can't make sense of the present.

If I said "what" at work, but could answer the "how" and "when", I'd be sacked. Please forget discussion\debate for a while, perhaps take some time out to reflect.


TV

I would have recommended reflection for you but it's no use.

Anyone who believes no progress can ever be made by black people.....

bemeruca:
My issue is with Bayelsaowei, who I believe is a very smart person, siding with this lunacy for the sake of picking a side.

Budaatum, who is a champion in criticising colonialism, recognized its benefits.

These people can't help themselves.

Will you go to your room at once!

TV01:
Ekemefune, you are back...missed you .
The only person I enjoy trolling more than ShallowVision is you.

Please sir, what is Igbo for "mitosis", or Yoruba for "chromosomes"? How about the Ijaw word for "Autophagy"? What native Nigerian language had a scientific lexicon? How would speakers of native Nigerian languages have engaged in scientific discourse?

In the absence of "misadventure" from the west. or the use of their language, what scientific engagement did African tribes have, or could have in their native tongues?

If English had not come to us by way of colonisation, to even begin to partake of the technological advancement of the more developed nations we would have had to use their language? How would Nigeria develop a common language? I see Fula may be on the cards .

Colonisation was damaging, but not wholesale without benefit. Keep using it as a reason for not advancing.

How's the market in vibranium (sorry I forget i's indigenous name) . Wakanda ko, Zamunda ni.


TV

You know, in spite of myself, I had to smile at this. Viciously written.
Anyway, it was saved by the red.

bemeruca:
I feel you, bro. The pain 😂

Grammarly says you have spelling mistakes here and there. Should I fix it for you? 🤣😂

But do you really do what he says you do?

TV01:
. . . . to hate white people and ascribe all black issues to them.

In that case the climate, geography, flora and fauna to mention a few of the factors I have pointed to must also be white?

At a minimum 40% of white people had to vote for Barack Obama to become president. It's likely that 40-50% actually did. You would be doing yourself a great service if you could for once drop the colour lens and the attendant hate framing.


TV

I said "much of" and "middle America" for reasons.

That said, whats your own grounds for your hatred of black people?

benalvino3:
The difference is clear, like 7Up: a factor is something serious leaders identify and overcome. An excuse is when you keep using that same factor to explain failure decade after decade. That is the difference between you and me.

Those factors matter for Israel too. They had desert, limited water, war, hostile neighbours, terrorism, and fewer resources. But they did not sit down for 70 years saying, our road is not smooth. They developed agriculture, technology, defence, water systems, institutions, and their modern economy.

If your mechanic keeps making your car worse every time he touches it, you don’t keep saying, well, the road is rough, the weather is hot, and the car was already old. At some point, you admit the mechanic is incompetent, replace him with someone who can actually fix the car despite those conditions.

That is my point.

Our problem is not that difficulties exist every country has difficulties. Our problem is that the people managing those difficulties keep making the country worse, and people like you come out to explain the failure instead of demanding accountability.

If you say permanent failure then I guess you agree with TV01 that there will be failure forever and no progress for black Africans.
Worever jaare. Your cup of tea.

benalvino3:
Nobody said building a nation was supposed to be a smooth road.

Difficult road is not an excuse for permanent failure, regression, corruption, broken institutions, collapsing infrastructure, and endless mismanagement that is getting worse by the day.

Israel has not had a smooth road till today. Theey were born into war, surrounded by hostile neighbours, terrorism, resource limitations, etc. Yet look at where they are today compared to many countries that had far more natural resources and less external pressure. They did all their development in a desert.

Our problem is not that the road was rough. Every serious nation had a rough road. Our problem is that after decades of oil money, fertile land, ports, talent, and favourable location, you are here explaining away failure as if is unique to us.

You are not saying anything tangible. If you acknowledge that it could not be a smooth road, then you are simply making noise. Because everything else you say makes no sense. What is permanent failure? Do you know the meaning of the word permanent at all?
And I am just sick of the word "excuse."
No one is excusing anything.

You were the one calling every factor an excuse only to admit that each mentioned factor mattered.

Shattap my friend.

benalvino3:
Of course, they did not colonize us for our benefit, but we benefited anyway. You are benefiting from the language you are speaking as well.

That is supposed to be a checkpoint, not an excuse.

Nobody is saying Nigeria had perfect public systems everywhere after independence. The point is that the systems that existed were supposed to be maintained, improved, and scaled. If third-floor water pressure dropped because more people were connected, the solution was not for the entire water system to decay, but rather better planning, more pumping stations, more reservoirs, more pipes, and proper maintenance. You have lived in the UK for decades, so you know very well that expanding public services is not magic. It requires planning, investment, maintenance, accountability, and competent leadership. So why are you making excuses for failure?

Notice I highlighted accountability, why?

Because without it, even foreign investors will not provide better services; instead, they will milk the people. MTN and Econet are good examples. My elder brother's Nigerian line was bought for 50K naira back in the year 2000. That was a huge sum of money. Early adopters, I guess. But the fact that he would spend an hour or more trying to call someone is where the issue is. MTN was not scaling its network to accommodate the growing number of users. They were not getting sanctioned for the bad services they were providing to customers. But I digress.

Even in places where population density was low, nobody is saying every remote bush should have had running water in 1965. But what happened to the places that already had water, electricity, schools, hospitals, and functioning administration? Why did many of those systems regress or collapse completely? As I said, what they left for us was/is supposed to be a checkpoint: improve and maintain the standards.

Growing up in Port Harcourt, my grandfather had two large industrial generators in a generator house. They were noisy, heavy-duty machines, but we barely used them for months sometimes because electricity was steady. At night, we might run them for only about 10 minutes. I am sure we were one of the few houses on the street with generators. I don't know any other compound in my street that uses generators. In my granddad's compound, none of the tenants have it. So it powers my Grandfathers family house and my dad's house in the compound.

Gradually, we started using them more and more. Power is less reliable. When the generators got bad, they were difficult to repair because they were old tech. At that time, the generator business was not even a thing as it is today. By the time generators became a thing and repairers became common, our own generators were already outdated.

That is the story of Nigeria: regression, poor maintenance, and failure to scale.

So Nigeria did not simply fail because colonialism left some systems or the systems were to benefit the colonisers. Nigeria failed because the post-independence leadership class failed to maintain what existed, failed to expand it properly, and failed to build institutions that could survive corruption and incompetence.

So stop pretending decay was inevitable. Limited infrastructure is not the same thing as total collapse. Serious countries take what exists, improve it, and expand it. Failed countries make excuses while everything falls apart. So you are trying to excuse your way out of this by falling back on colonialism. The same "you" wants to talk about ignorance and education.
This is the lack of self-awareness I was talking about.

1. I have said this before and i will say it again - is it that you people believe that this journey was ever meant to be or ever going to be a smooth road?

2. Point me to one nation which has had a smooth road. In fact, one nation which has not experienced all the things developing nations are going through now.

tctrills:
This is the left blaming everything and everyone but the black young male.
These guys are not responsible for anything they do. In fact, they are innocent victims.

Oh so your God naturally designed blacks with a gun violence gene right?
Look at what Budaatum extracted, is that not pure sociology?

Why this habit of imagining that some racial groups are just good and some are just bad, absent cause?

IjeBos:
You're right, in some regards what Trump is doing is far worse than what's happening in Nigeria,

That it can be so open, so in-their-faces, so boldfaced and without tangible resistance is what really fascinates me.
Somewhere in the belly of much of white and middle America, I cant help feeling, rests the willingness to allow Trump any atrocity in compensation for what was the greatest abomination they could ever imagine - the fact that a black man ever became their president with a black first lady to boot.

basilico:
Liberalism can be a mental disorder.

And yet you are the biggest conspiracy theorist on this thread.

GloriousGbola:
The second picture is poorly done photoshop

And why would you be wearing white trad in UK if you are not at a naija proper function?

You will just look weird.

Nothing do our outfit jaare. Its standard and international enough.

GloriousGbola:
Raum your no guy enter am ooo.

Should have followed tinubu advice

Adelabu is not a much liked fellow anywhere.

Aleister:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 your mouth nor good at all

Which of them do you like? Will you opt for Yekinia? That one will symbolize integrity and truthfulness about idenitity. When we adopt that name and become known as Yekinians the world will stop seeing us as a 419 country. Although personally I am partial to us being Bolanians. It has a European ring to it, and can assuage our colonial mentality since we like colonially given national anthems!