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ihedinobi2:
Lol. It would be pretty condescending to go, "what, are you kidding? Did you think all this started just when you decided to walk in?" There's that temptation, of course. All oldbies have to deal with it when a newbie shows up...generally one with an attitude too, lol.

When I told you I was like you once, I really was not trying to insult you or be condescending. When I started here I was really like that. Didn't know I walked in on a generational feud that's been going so long most every strike and counter-strike is automatic. If you came back here after a year or two of total absence, you'd meet the very same arguments by almost exactly the same people. It's fun, never forget that, a testosterone battle some of the time. Those who take it seriously weary of it soon enough. Others enjoy chasing their tail because it's really a cool pastime. And I'm not kidding. If you peer at the soul of the universe hard enough, you'll get hooked like that and life just won't look the same to you anymore.

So, yeah, this has been going on for a while. It's always going on. The players change sometimes, the arguments don't really. Sometimes, the arguments wear different words and emotions but.in the end, it's really the same things said over and over by the same people. The good thing about it is that it keeps one important question on the front burner for all human minds: "Who is God?"

You see, the answer to that totally defines everything about us.

anonimi:
Regulation through

- Distilling licences
- Standards setting
- Monitoring, sensitisation & enforcement
- Taxation

is what a THINKING government would do at the LGA, State and federal level.

I guess under a Sharia-loving Brainless Buhari that would be asking for the impossible and impossican't!!!


BTW, how is ogogoro different from imported London Dry Gin, Aromatic Schnapps etc

MrAnony1:
Brother, you flatter me. How have you been? I've been back in Nigeria for sometime now, perhaps we could meet up at some point. Hopefully sooner rather than later. I think I've still got your number.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Something is truly missing here. It seems that people here know themselves and personal beefs are getting in the way of an interesting discussion.


As for me, I believe in God. Why? Because looking at the universe, it had to come from somewhere or something.


The atheist might believe that the universe is eternal but I believe that God is eternal.


See? My points were easily stated without calling someone a "coward" or indirectly referring to the person as an "intellectual midget"

plaetton:
Lol.
Who is this?
The Master of the Creating Word, or a bottle of Whiskey?

Mock Mock ! anybody home?

Will the real Deoardo pls come out.

plaetton:


Them are Fighting words, wordy sire.

Is that the best we can do today?

plaetton:
Lol.
Not yet.
Let me give you all a little more time to use your intellect.
Spot the BOO BOO.

plaetton:
Within this post lies a most profound fact that I ignored the first time I read.
This self evident fact exposes sooo much, contradicts and mocks every word and posts of the op as well as shaming the unthinking few who are cheerleading him to intellectual perdition.

In my usually generousity, I will allow the op to reread this post, and decide if he would like to erase everything written on this thread.

MrAnony1:
I don't understand your question. The very nature of being is metaphysical. What exactly are you asking me?

MrAnony1:
Dear Uyi,

The fact of God is as obvious as reality itself. Interestingly what I have never heard are reason's to doubt God's existence. It is wearisome to argue with people who have no reasons for their positions but would rather argue for the sake of arguing and not for the sake of arriving at truth.

kolajamesjnr:
if it rained for 40 days, enough to cover the highest mountain peaks in the world, please tell me exactly where did all that water go? It would have taken years for it to evaporate or be absorbed into the soil, so where did it disappear to?.

plaetton:
It requires a certain degree of cunning and creativity.

SNCOQ3:
What I am not sure of is if you have reached the zenith of human stupidity and arrogance or if you are almost there; What I am sure of is that you are no programmer.


Indeed, you are no programmer.
You seem to have been fooled by the numerous math-like syntax in programming sample codes seen online to assert the word "ONLY".

Apart from the field of numerical analysis, cryptography, financial wares, physics engine(for simulating the laws of physics in softwares like video games), maths is rarely used by most programmers: examples are the use of regular expression (for word processing), database design, server-side and most web apps programming.

Forget "Natural laws of mathematics", its nothing but "word salad":

There are Natural laws - mostly used in philosophy of rights and justice therefore not applicable in this case.

Laws of Mathematics - effects logical consistency in calculations.

Physical laws also known as scientific laws - "a theoretical principle deduced from particular facts, applicable to a defined group or class of phenomena, and expressible by the statement that a particular phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions be present." - wikipedia.
The highlighted in red is the relationship between maths and science.

What you are confusing for your so-called "Natural laws of mathematics" is what real programmers call ALGORITHM - an indispensable tool for solving both mathematical and non-mathematical problems. Algorithm is to maths what maths is to physics.

For all your "laws of maths" worship, It may interest you to know that real programmers in the field of 3D CG/Physics Engine must rely on tricks, hacks and other creative utilization of man-made maths laws in 3D matrix and quaternions to fake a 3D world on a 2D surface(computer screen).

Ultimately, every programming code is decomposed by a compiler to machine code(10110100...) and computed(calculations, bit shifting, looping, storage) by CPU; but that should not warrant such drivel like "computer programs can ONLY be written using the Natural laws of mathematics."


I like the way you make a case for God.

Is like "nature" is a pseudonym for God.
"mathematical laws" for the Logos.
"default state in nature" — the Logos was with God(John1:1)
"nature's programming code and reprogramming" — Through him(Logos) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.(John1:3)

"from time to time it contains errors, errors of its past passed down the generations." — The fall of man currupted nature:
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.. (Rom 8:20-22)

The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. (Isaiah 24:3-5).


Actually you don't.

You really think you understand what genetic code in programming term is?
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Just think about it for a moment: One gram of DNA can store 700 terabytes of data. That’s 14,000 50-gigabyte Blu-ray discs… in a droplet of DNA that would fit on the tip of your pinky. To store the same kind of data on hard drives — the densest storage medium in use today — you’d need 233 3TB drives, weighing a total of 151 kilos. Extremetech.com
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The above is for storage alone.

Lets not get into parallel computation, 4bit -as opposed to our primitive 2bit(1,0) computation, data structure equivalent to a DNA with 4bit, algorithms for data sequencing.

Think about the supercomputer power it takes to simulate and decode a single strand of DNA— It can put the fear of God in a sane mind.
But then, you may not appreciate it- after all, you are no programmer.... right?

UyiIredia may not be a programmer in a conventional sense, but anyone with an intuitive understanding of the nature of code and an elementary knowledge of computer science is capable of comprehending genetic coding.

plaetton:
No.
If you want to start a thread on consciouness, my favorite topic, you know I always ready. In fact, I have invited you several times to discuss consciouness.

If the op defines what he understands to be consciouness, then I can discuss or debate with him on that.

I repeat, the op is too sundayschoolish, logically inconsistent to warrant intelligent refutals.

plaetton:
No.
I cannot argue with op on consciouness, because the op introduced and used it broadly without defining it. I dont want to address consciouness on the ops sunday school terms. Nope.
Open a thread on consciouness, and lets take it from there.

plaetton:
How do you debate statements that do not have any logical premise, considering also, that I have previously flogged him on these same topics?

Which teacher likes to teach and flog a pupil over and over again for the same simple lessons? That's why I am particularly irked by this op.

plaetton:
@ Deepsight.
I am using my smart phone to type this. When I get to my pc, I will take time to dissect every single sentence in this op to show how utterlly meaningless the entire post is,something that I expected your trained eyes to Spot right away.
I guess our biases always gets the better of us.

plaetton:
Well, for one, the op made very bold and broad statements about consciousness,

without defining what consciousness is.

He made broad and bold statements about genetic code without defining genes nor what a code is.

The last time he made this sunday school argument about nature and codes, I presented him with the SNOWFLAKES and how nature wips it up in just hours.
Proving to you that we have had this arguments before.

Pls ask him if he understands what a genetic code is.

Now imagine if this UyiIredia is a teacher, and happens to teach this crappy, false silliness to impressionable youth, then his own ignorance multiplies a thousand times. This is the bane of Africa's underdevelopment.

The minds of our people, the youth especially, are suffused with too much false, incoherent, illogical, unscientific rubbish, the type being peddled publicly here by sundayschool scholars like UyiIredia and co.
They must be mocked and shamed.

plaetton:
@ Deepsight
When you have kingebukasblog cheering for you, that's when you know your'e in real trouble.

plaetton:
Thats my point.
Every single sentence in the op is either false, wild assumption, conjecture or broadly ambiguous, undefined terms.
I can excuse him for copy and paste syndrome, how could YOU pretend that the post is sensible enough to warrant a debate.

To debate him here means to throw away every single sentence in the op. Then what am I left to discuss?

plaetton:
My point is that these arguments of his have been debated and shredded on this forum by me and others on at least two previous occasions.

What is exactly the motive for bringing same previously repudiated arguments here again?
That's why I call it sunday school arguments. They lack merit. They are based on unproven assumptions, bold statements of faith, and undefined terms.
There is no logically consistent arguments to be seen here.

plaetton:
In your professional capacity, you are trained, and I am sure you make a good living, dissecting arguments to seperate facts from fiction and fantasies.
Puting your theistic bias aside, how could you not read the op and flog him for parading the most logically inconsistent mumbo jumbo, laced with faith, conjectures and outright falsehoods?

You should be his teacher and mentor, to guide him on how to articulate coherent logically consistent arguments, Not this sundayschool crap. And it is indeed sunday school crap.

You should know better than most here, that there are times for word salads, and there are times to present real facts.
I do not think that there is a place for word salads on issues of existentialism.

plaetton:
Lol.
You have already made these fallacious sunday school arguments many times before.

Maybe if you repeat them more often, then by dint of faith, they may become your own truth.

However, by repeating these lame, logically inconsistent pseudo arguments, you seem to be desperately seeking for a REASON to believe in the existence of god.

plaetton:
But of course, there are truths in conventional religions, legends and myths, the ancient ones.

It is also true that much of those truths have been grossly misunderstood, deliberately obfuscated, and even hidden from public knowledge by social engineers vying for supremacy during in the previous eras.

To say that our contemporary religions, or religious ideas of this era contain truths is misleading, and is similar to saying that a heavily adulterated wine still retains the quality of the original.

thehomer:
Unsurprising really.

texanomaly:
I'd be interested in seeing who's thoughts, if any, have changed in any way

thehomer:
OP has gone missing.

plaetton:
Deepsight is probably marooned in an alternate universe.

ooman:
That being you describe is not the God of religion.

jayriginal:
I'd say he "advanced" beyond deism rather than renounced it. Of course I can't speak on his behalf. Its left for him to clarify issues.

And yes, he vowed never to return. He even started his own forum. However things don't always work as planned and he's still here.

plaetton:
This is the pitfall the humans have often fallen into.
There is a danger in trying to ascribe properties and qualities.
Often, this is where false twists are added to simple essential truths.

Our obligation should be to continue to ask questions and to seek answers, using reliable , universally accepted methods.

Remember, Start with doubts in order to arrive at certainty, not start with Certainty, and then battle with doubts thereafter for eternity.

plaetton:
Lol.
Religion would actually make a lot more sense if thinking beings like us paid a much deserved homage to the one and only, ubiquitous, and omnipresent electron, from whence all matter are constructed.